Agree with everything all the rational folks here have said about this tragedy for the family with the little children.
And, of course, it's a tragedy for Andy Reid and his family...but do we know whether Andy and his wife tried to help Britt (and Garrett)? I don't, but pretty sure they tried a lot of things (rehab, counseling, outpatient support) to make them see how destructive their choices were.
It seems like Andy tried to help his tragic sons...having them with him in camp and around the team...but the guy has a right to his own life, too...and his wife has a right to enjoy here life with the man she married. Once the "kids" become grown men, the responsibility for good choices in life falls on their shoulders. This is the pinnacle of pro football for Andy, his wife, and his family. How is it "the right thing to do" to not let him coach, and to force him to stay in KC. What can he do, sit at Britt's bedside and stare at the TV or the cop outside the hospital room door? Britt sure as hell doesn't want his father there.
The Chiefs organization can do best for the family with the young children, the Reid family, the KC community, and Chiefs nation by speaking rationally and from the heart and saying they stand behind their coach and pray for a good outcome to all this tragedy. My only disqualifier to what I'm saying here would be if the young 5 year-old's injuries result in the worst news possible. Then Andy should stay away. Just my opinion.
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Agree with everything all the rational folks here have said about this tragedy for the family with the little children.
And, of course, it's a tragedy for Andy Reid and his family...but do we know whether Andy and his wife tried to help Britt (and Garrett)? I don't, but pretty sure they tried a lot of things (rehab, counseling, outpatient support) to make them see how destructive their choices were.
It seems like Andy tried to help his tragic sons...having them with him in camp and around the team...but the guy has a right to his own life, too...and his wife has a right to enjoy here life with the man she married. Once the "kids" become grown men, the responsibility for good choices in life falls on their shoulders. This is the pinnacle of pro football for Andy, his wife, and his family. How is it "the right thing to do" to not let him coach, and to force him to stay in KC. What can he do, sit at Britt's bedside and stare at the TV or the cop outside the hospital room door? Britt sure as hell doesn't want his father there.
The Chiefs organization can do best for the family with the young children, the Reid family, the KC community, and Chiefs nation by speaking rationally and from the heart and saying they stand behind their coach and pray for a good outcome to all this tragedy. My only disqualifier to what I'm saying here would be if the young 5 year-old's injuries result in the worst news possible. Then Andy should stay away. Just my opinion.
@begginerboy I'm sure many coaches in the past/currently have been bad fathers. These guys are obsessed with their craft, unfortunately family plays second fiddle.
No doubt. But when have the chickens come home to roost like this?! I venture to guess, never. This is the worst possible time! That’s my point.
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Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:
@begginerboy I'm sure many coaches in the past/currently have been bad fathers. These guys are obsessed with their craft, unfortunately family plays second fiddle.
No doubt. But when have the chickens come home to roost like this?! I venture to guess, never. This is the worst possible time! That’s my point.
Quote Originally Posted by undermysac: @begginerboy I'm sure many coaches in the past/currently have been bad fathers. These guys are obsessed with their craft, unfortunately family plays second fiddle. No doubt. But when have the chickens come home to roost like this?! I venture to guess, never. This is the worst possible time! That’s my point.
I agree, horrible timing. Mentally, Andy is going to be a mess I would think. Unless he can compartmentalize this somehow till Monday.
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Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:
Quote Originally Posted by undermysac: @begginerboy I'm sure many coaches in the past/currently have been bad fathers. These guys are obsessed with their craft, unfortunately family plays second fiddle. No doubt. But when have the chickens come home to roost like this?! I venture to guess, never. This is the worst possible time! That’s my point.
I agree, horrible timing. Mentally, Andy is going to be a mess I would think. Unless he can compartmentalize this somehow till Monday.
Agree with everything all the rational folks here have said about this tragedy for the family with the little children. And, of course, it's a tragedy for Andy Reid and his family...but do we know whether Andy and his wife tried to help Britt (and Garrett)? I don't, but pretty sure they tried a lot of things (rehab, counseling, outpatient support) to make them see how destructive their choices were. It seems like Andy tried to help his tragic sons...having them with him in camp and around the team...but the guy has a right to his own life, too...and his wife has a right to enjoy here life with the man she married. Once the "kids" become grown men, the responsibility for good choices in life falls on their shoulders. This is the pinnacle of pro football for Andy, his wife, and his family. How is it "the right thing to do" to not let him coach, and to force him to stay in KC. What can he do, sit at Britt's bedside and stare at the TV or the cop outside the hospital room door? Britt sure as hell doesn't want his father there. The Chiefs organization can do best for the family with the young children, the Reid family, the KC community, and Chiefs nation by speaking rationally and from the heart and saying they stand behind their coach and pray for a good outcome to all this tragedy. My only disqualifier to what I'm saying here would be if the young 5 year-old's injuries result in the worst news possible. Then Andy should stay away. Just my opinion.
Well thought out, articulate response. I disagree on some points, but your argument is valid. He is not necessarily responsible for the sins of his children, but optics still matter. I think the child being in critical condition is bad enough. He/she doesn’t need to die for Andy to do the right thing here.
Btw, this will be the second SB where Tampa has gotten a huge break with tragedy befalling their opponent on the eve of the SB. Remember the Raider’s center?!
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Quote Originally Posted by DB51daBEARS:
Agree with everything all the rational folks here have said about this tragedy for the family with the little children. And, of course, it's a tragedy for Andy Reid and his family...but do we know whether Andy and his wife tried to help Britt (and Garrett)? I don't, but pretty sure they tried a lot of things (rehab, counseling, outpatient support) to make them see how destructive their choices were. It seems like Andy tried to help his tragic sons...having them with him in camp and around the team...but the guy has a right to his own life, too...and his wife has a right to enjoy here life with the man she married. Once the "kids" become grown men, the responsibility for good choices in life falls on their shoulders. This is the pinnacle of pro football for Andy, his wife, and his family. How is it "the right thing to do" to not let him coach, and to force him to stay in KC. What can he do, sit at Britt's bedside and stare at the TV or the cop outside the hospital room door? Britt sure as hell doesn't want his father there. The Chiefs organization can do best for the family with the young children, the Reid family, the KC community, and Chiefs nation by speaking rationally and from the heart and saying they stand behind their coach and pray for a good outcome to all this tragedy. My only disqualifier to what I'm saying here would be if the young 5 year-old's injuries result in the worst news possible. Then Andy should stay away. Just my opinion.
Well thought out, articulate response. I disagree on some points, but your argument is valid. He is not necessarily responsible for the sins of his children, but optics still matter. I think the child being in critical condition is bad enough. He/she doesn’t need to die for Andy to do the right thing here.
Btw, this will be the second SB where Tampa has gotten a huge break with tragedy befalling their opponent on the eve of the SB. Remember the Raider’s center?!
Agree with everything all the rational folks here have said about this tragedy for the family with the little children. And, of course, it's a tragedy for Andy Reid and his family...but do we know whether Andy and his wife tried to help Britt (and Garrett)? I don't, but pretty sure they tried a lot of things (rehab, counseling, outpatient support) to make them see how destructive their choices were. It seems like Andy tried to help his tragic sons...having them with him in camp and around the team...but the guy has a right to his own life, too...and his wife has a right to enjoy here life with the man she married. Once the "kids" become grown men, the responsibility for good choices in life falls on their shoulders. This is the pinnacle of pro football for Andy, his wife, and his family. How is it "the right thing to do" to not let him coach, and to force him to stay in KC. What can he do, sit at Britt's bedside and stare at the TV or the cop outside the hospital room door? Britt sure as hell doesn't want his father there. The Chiefs organization can do best for the family with the young children, the Reid family, the KC community, and Chiefs nation by speaking rationally and from the heart and saying they stand behind their coach and pray for a good outcome to all this tragedy. My only disqualifier to what I'm saying here would be if the young 5 year-old's injuries result in the worst news possible. Then Andy should stay away. Just my opinion.
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Quote Originally Posted by DB51daBEARS:
Agree with everything all the rational folks here have said about this tragedy for the family with the little children. And, of course, it's a tragedy for Andy Reid and his family...but do we know whether Andy and his wife tried to help Britt (and Garrett)? I don't, but pretty sure they tried a lot of things (rehab, counseling, outpatient support) to make them see how destructive their choices were. It seems like Andy tried to help his tragic sons...having them with him in camp and around the team...but the guy has a right to his own life, too...and his wife has a right to enjoy here life with the man she married. Once the "kids" become grown men, the responsibility for good choices in life falls on their shoulders. This is the pinnacle of pro football for Andy, his wife, and his family. How is it "the right thing to do" to not let him coach, and to force him to stay in KC. What can he do, sit at Britt's bedside and stare at the TV or the cop outside the hospital room door? Britt sure as hell doesn't want his father there. The Chiefs organization can do best for the family with the young children, the Reid family, the KC community, and Chiefs nation by speaking rationally and from the heart and saying they stand behind their coach and pray for a good outcome to all this tragedy. My only disqualifier to what I'm saying here would be if the young 5 year-old's injuries result in the worst news possible. Then Andy should stay away. Just my opinion.
@undermysac Amen mah man my heart and prays go out to Andy and his family a very sad & unfortunate tragedy indeed. The timing of this incident couldn’t come at a worse time. And you chic-cardinal day in & day out are a annoying and disgusting & disrespectful specimen of a human being mah man. The comments you spew out daily here in the forum are getting tiresome to say the least
You poor baby. Can't handle reality.
Thousands of people are dealing with tragedy...real tragedy. I'm not wasting my emotional energy on a stranger thousands of miles away. For something I know is incredibly suspicious.
You see,in an emergency, I'd be the better leader. I'd be the better investigator. I don't get emotional for stuff I'm not involved in first hand.
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Quote Originally Posted by Macwestie1:
@undermysac Amen mah man my heart and prays go out to Andy and his family a very sad & unfortunate tragedy indeed. The timing of this incident couldn’t come at a worse time. And you chic-cardinal day in & day out are a annoying and disgusting & disrespectful specimen of a human being mah man. The comments you spew out daily here in the forum are getting tiresome to say the least
You poor baby. Can't handle reality.
Thousands of people are dealing with tragedy...real tragedy. I'm not wasting my emotional energy on a stranger thousands of miles away. For something I know is incredibly suspicious.
You see,in an emergency, I'd be the better leader. I'd be the better investigator. I don't get emotional for stuff I'm not involved in first hand.
Quote Originally Posted by Macwestie1: @undermysac Amen mah man my heart and prays go out to Andy and his family a very sad & unfortunate tragedy indeed. The timing of this incident couldn’t come at a worse time. And you chic-cardinal day in & day out are a annoying and disgusting & disrespectful specimen of a human being mah man. The comments you spew out daily here in the forum are getting tiresome to say the least You poor baby. Can't handle reality. Thousands of people are dealing with tragedy...real tragedy. I'm not wasting my emotional energy on a stranger thousands of miles away. For something I know is incredibly suspicious. You see,in an emergency, I'd be the better leader. I'd be the better investigator. I don't get emotional for stuff I'm not involved in first hand.
A little girl fighting for her life in a hospital on a seemingly innocuous night otherwise, isn’t a “real” tragedy?
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Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:
Quote Originally Posted by Macwestie1: @undermysac Amen mah man my heart and prays go out to Andy and his family a very sad & unfortunate tragedy indeed. The timing of this incident couldn’t come at a worse time. And you chic-cardinal day in & day out are a annoying and disgusting & disrespectful specimen of a human being mah man. The comments you spew out daily here in the forum are getting tiresome to say the least You poor baby. Can't handle reality. Thousands of people are dealing with tragedy...real tragedy. I'm not wasting my emotional energy on a stranger thousands of miles away. For something I know is incredibly suspicious. You see,in an emergency, I'd be the better leader. I'd be the better investigator. I don't get emotional for stuff I'm not involved in first hand.
A little girl fighting for her life in a hospital on a seemingly innocuous night otherwise, isn’t a “real” tragedy?
Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals: Quote Originally Posted by Macwestie1: @undermysac Amen mah man my heart and prays go out to Andy and his family a very sad & unfortunate tragedy indeed. The timing of this incident couldn’t come at a worse time. And you chic-cardinal day in & day out are a annoying and disgusting & disrespectful specimen of a human being mah man. The comments you spew out daily here in the forum are getting tiresome to say the least You poor baby. Can't handle reality. Thousands of people are dealing with tragedy...real tragedy. I'm not wasting my emotional energy on a stranger thousands of miles away. For something I know is incredibly suspicious. You see,in an emergency, I'd be the better leader. I'd be the better investigator. I don't get emotional for stuff I'm not involved in first hand. A little girl fighting for her life in a hospital on a seemingly innocuous night otherwise, isn’t a “real” tragedy?
You missed the point entirely because you think with emotion.
Thousands have died over the last 24 hours. And you need to care about jocks, coach family for life browny points? Because the news told you? No one has died here. And Theres no proof it's real.
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Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:
Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals: Quote Originally Posted by Macwestie1: @undermysac Amen mah man my heart and prays go out to Andy and his family a very sad & unfortunate tragedy indeed. The timing of this incident couldn’t come at a worse time. And you chic-cardinal day in & day out are a annoying and disgusting & disrespectful specimen of a human being mah man. The comments you spew out daily here in the forum are getting tiresome to say the least You poor baby. Can't handle reality. Thousands of people are dealing with tragedy...real tragedy. I'm not wasting my emotional energy on a stranger thousands of miles away. For something I know is incredibly suspicious. You see,in an emergency, I'd be the better leader. I'd be the better investigator. I don't get emotional for stuff I'm not involved in first hand. A little girl fighting for her life in a hospital on a seemingly innocuous night otherwise, isn’t a “real” tragedy?
You missed the point entirely because you think with emotion.
Thousands have died over the last 24 hours. And you need to care about jocks, coach family for life browny points? Because the news told you? No one has died here. And Theres no proof it's real.
BB - I’m contemplating a 1H BUCS ML wager. If KC wins this game it will be on the heels of a 2H Mahomes come back.
I can see that. But this game has become even more impossible to cap than before. What precedent do we have for something like this? The son of the head coach, an assistant no less, involved in drunk vehicular child-slaughter (if the kid dies)? Before the eve of the biggest game? It’s Tampa or nothing, IMO. But anything can happen. Just a totally unpredictable situation, capping wise.
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Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:
BB - I’m contemplating a 1H BUCS ML wager. If KC wins this game it will be on the heels of a 2H Mahomes come back.
I can see that. But this game has become even more impossible to cap than before. What precedent do we have for something like this? The son of the head coach, an assistant no less, involved in drunk vehicular child-slaughter (if the kid dies)? Before the eve of the biggest game? It’s Tampa or nothing, IMO. But anything can happen. Just a totally unpredictable situation, capping wise.
Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy: Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy: After reading this , I figure there is not much hope of Reid staying off the sidelines: Andy Reid's oldest son, Garrett, also had issues with substance abuse -- he was sentenced to 23 months behind bars for a 2007 crash while he was high on heroin. Garrett struggled with addiction for years and ultimately died of a heroin overdose in 2012 while in his room at the Philadelphia Eagles training camp, while his father was coaching the team. His f’n dad (Andy Reid) was coaching while he was overdosing on drugs in the same god damn facility. And this guy is now going to stand on the sidelines while his other son is in jail facing likely charges?! And the NFL is going to give this guy a trophy after the game for being a great coach but an awful father?!
What do you want Andy Reid or any Father to do if a child is hell bent on self destruction? Drug and alcohol addictions are problems that only the person who has them can work out. Vince Lombardi's wife was a heavy pill popper and drinker and she was hospitalized for it. His son admits it wasn't easy having him as a Father. Tony Dungy had a son who hung himself...Willie Nelson's son hung himself...the list goes on and on and it includes everyday working people throughout the world. If some day, God forbid, your child does something self destructive, are you going to take the blame for it? Please BB, why this 'blame the Father' mantra? It simply doesn't make any sense.
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Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:
Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy: Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy: After reading this , I figure there is not much hope of Reid staying off the sidelines: Andy Reid's oldest son, Garrett, also had issues with substance abuse -- he was sentenced to 23 months behind bars for a 2007 crash while he was high on heroin. Garrett struggled with addiction for years and ultimately died of a heroin overdose in 2012 while in his room at the Philadelphia Eagles training camp, while his father was coaching the team. His f’n dad (Andy Reid) was coaching while he was overdosing on drugs in the same god damn facility. And this guy is now going to stand on the sidelines while his other son is in jail facing likely charges?! And the NFL is going to give this guy a trophy after the game for being a great coach but an awful father?!
What do you want Andy Reid or any Father to do if a child is hell bent on self destruction? Drug and alcohol addictions are problems that only the person who has them can work out. Vince Lombardi's wife was a heavy pill popper and drinker and she was hospitalized for it. His son admits it wasn't easy having him as a Father. Tony Dungy had a son who hung himself...Willie Nelson's son hung himself...the list goes on and on and it includes everyday working people throughout the world. If some day, God forbid, your child does something self destructive, are you going to take the blame for it? Please BB, why this 'blame the Father' mantra? It simply doesn't make any sense.
This is ridiculous... For KC to be in the Super Bowl and Andy Reid's son in an accident drunk and high on pills? Potentially life threatening condition for a child! This is sad... I have no urge to cheer on KC on Sunday. I want them to lose... KC doesn't deserve the Super Bowl while their coaching staff is high on pills and impaired? The NFL will not allow KC to be in the spotlight... My prayers and thoughts are with the family involved.. my heart breaks...
Screw KC.. Horrible organization with zero discipline in the integrity of their coaches and staff.. I don't care what people say KC is held to a higher standard due to who they are. Brady will win the Super Bowl.. I don't want to see KC win at all... Horrible judgement in hiring their staff...
If KC wins this.. the NFL will have a big black eye that the winning Super Bowl team coaching staff was drunk and high 2 days before and god forbid i hope the kid doesnt die....
I'm angry at the judgement of the KC staff and their discipline.. I understand addiction is scary however this is wrong and they will not allow a Billion Dollar League fail and this will take the spotlight if KC wins! This will smear the NFL image if KC wins! Mahomes winning wont matter when one of the coach potentially in a accident high and killed a kid....
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This is ridiculous... For KC to be in the Super Bowl and Andy Reid's son in an accident drunk and high on pills? Potentially life threatening condition for a child! This is sad... I have no urge to cheer on KC on Sunday. I want them to lose... KC doesn't deserve the Super Bowl while their coaching staff is high on pills and impaired? The NFL will not allow KC to be in the spotlight... My prayers and thoughts are with the family involved.. my heart breaks...
Screw KC.. Horrible organization with zero discipline in the integrity of their coaches and staff.. I don't care what people say KC is held to a higher standard due to who they are. Brady will win the Super Bowl.. I don't want to see KC win at all... Horrible judgement in hiring their staff...
If KC wins this.. the NFL will have a big black eye that the winning Super Bowl team coaching staff was drunk and high 2 days before and god forbid i hope the kid doesnt die....
I'm angry at the judgement of the KC staff and their discipline.. I understand addiction is scary however this is wrong and they will not allow a Billion Dollar League fail and this will take the spotlight if KC wins! This will smear the NFL image if KC wins! Mahomes winning wont matter when one of the coach potentially in a accident high and killed a kid....
Why hire his son knowing he is a risk? also why is someone blaming Andy Reid.. the way i see it.. if the son really loved his Dad he wouldnt fuck up his career by his selfishness getting high while your Dad gave you an NFL job because you would be useless in the real World... This is sad.. i dont want to see KC win!!!
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Why hire his son knowing he is a risk? also why is someone blaming Andy Reid.. the way i see it.. if the son really loved his Dad he wouldnt fuck up his career by his selfishness getting high while your Dad gave you an NFL job because you would be useless in the real World... This is sad.. i dont want to see KC win!!!
Seriously KC doesnt deserve to win if they win the Super Bowl i will NEVER watch NFL again.. they preach drug free and all their community work about this will go down the drain.. the winning super bowl coach son is high and drunk and got into an accident... many will lash out at the NFL and KC as an organization.... wow Reid's son really fucked shit up.. Selfish bastard... crazy....whos gonna back KC? there coaching staff is stupid... i dont care if its one guy... you represent the organization always!
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Seriously KC doesnt deserve to win if they win the Super Bowl i will NEVER watch NFL again.. they preach drug free and all their community work about this will go down the drain.. the winning super bowl coach son is high and drunk and got into an accident... many will lash out at the NFL and KC as an organization.... wow Reid's son really fucked shit up.. Selfish bastard... crazy....whos gonna back KC? there coaching staff is stupid... i dont care if its one guy... you represent the organization always!
There is no excuse for being high on pills and drunk and driving.. i dont care what you say.. his selfishness now potentially ruins an innocent family... you standing up for this saying its a tragedy is ridiculous. andy reid knows his son and he obviously knows he has problem.. poor judgment and now it fucked up the whole super bowl for KC. The son is selfish your Dad is working and your getting high... lmao.. a joke of an organization... Mahomes wont win this year... the coaches on the team will have bad PR
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@DB51daBEARS
There is no excuse for being high on pills and drunk and driving.. i dont care what you say.. his selfishness now potentially ruins an innocent family... you standing up for this saying its a tragedy is ridiculous. andy reid knows his son and he obviously knows he has problem.. poor judgment and now it fucked up the whole super bowl for KC. The son is selfish your Dad is working and your getting high... lmao.. a joke of an organization... Mahomes wont win this year... the coaches on the team will have bad PR
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