Bator rule?

@Riderx

 My twitter handle is @gambleonsports

@djp

 I'll pm Thomas since he's admin.

Terrible 

loss for the  industry  Cokin was legit not a scamdicapper even though he did charge at a time for his selections  he was still the real deal and respected  in the industry 

true....the man in the hat

No. This is false information.

The Double Blowout System is in effect when an NFL team has scored 30 or more points in two straight games while holding each of those two opponents to 10 points or less. NFL teams have shown over many years that when they dominate to this extent on both sides of the ball for two games in a row, they have little left for their next opponent.

Div or non-div, doesn’t matter. 

In all my years of reading Bator’s threads, not once have I seen him bring up Div or non-Div being a factor for this angle.

@BallingLikeNE

 Did you see the record that Jeff posted between division versus non division? Very telling.

Not going to argue but here is the original system we learned decades ago, which was called the Taxi system since that was his handle:

team off scoring B-B 30+pts

team off allowing B-B 10pts or less

vs non-div opp

not the playoffs

he had games included before '89, which is as far back as the database goes.

currently 3-23 ats with the last one being Bills at Ravens in week 4

His moniker was The man UNDER the Hat   Miss you Dave

that looks correct. 
my updated version has 12 pts or less. 30 points or more.  total >=36.  div != o:div.  playoffs allowed. starting with 1989 season.

SU: 14-17 (-3.4, 45.2%)
ATS: 3-28-0 (-9.4, 9.7%)
OU: 16-15-0 (3.1, 51.6%)


if you look at DIV = o:DIV

SU: 15-9 (5.8, 62.5%)
ATS: 11-13-0 (-0.3, 45.8%)
OU: 13-10-1 (2.4, 56.5%)

so yes, division very much matters here.  

SOLID...Thx Jefff

thanks Riderx

So in conclusion after all this typing, what are the plays? 

holy moses. there is the most OGs here than in any thread ive seen on my years here. I thought my account was old at 10+ yrs. Im not even close to some of you guys! Respect!!

I'm actually staying away from that Pitt/Balt game...it's way too "iffy", although I do have the Ravens in the SB.  BOL.

Respect back at you...

Us old farts were doing this before the internet back when there were these things called newspapers, pens, pencils & note pads.  And scoured the boxscores of each game & doing all the hard work by longhand.  Hard work but it pays off.

@Riderx

 Much respect here, too.  You bring a big time different perspective than myself w your crunching of data and algorithms.   I trust my eyes for most  100% , and it serves me well.  

@Riderx

 Agreed, and i feel left out that i missed out on some of these other forums and boards you guys had back in the day. drop some knowledge for us younger bucks or at least let us know some other options !!

What is the Bator Rule?

@Riderx

 This right here is how I remember it as well. But I honestly thought it was 12 points or less on Defense. I’ll roll with the 10 but the non-divisional, non-playoff is definitely part of it. Good ole Talksport!! Miss those days. 

What is this rule?

Look up Twin Peaks Angle By Dave Cokin

@C-70Blues

Hey guys lets end this right here once and for all. This is Daves last post I ever seen from 2009 before that fuk from talksport just closed down with no notice. I bet I've posted this a 100 times because someone always comes up with a I think it goes like this opinion. Right from the horses mouth guys:

NFL Goodies - 8/3/2009 7:53:13 PM

dave T

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With the NFL Season right around the corner, I want to share with the forum some really cool stuff I have worked on during the off-season. Most of it is a hybrid of statistical handicapping and technical handicapping, although some of it is situational. This is all new material I developed by experimenting with my Excel Program, and the numbers are pretty amazing...so far.

NOTE: The results represent what I consider to be the meat of the season; namely, Weeks 7-15 (nine weeks). The results are from the last 4 NFL seasons, 2005-2008, and are all Against the Spread.

Why Weeks 7-15? I believe this is the heart of the season. Once 6 Weeks have been played, each team has at least 5 games under their belt. I think this is the point at which the data is sufficient, which makes the lines more accurate. Five games gives each team the opportunity to play at five levels:

Their best. Above average. Average. Below average. Their worst. Once the first 6 weeks are past, then I believe technical handicapping aspects are less vulnerable to bad lines.

As for the first six weeks, I think a statistical form of handicapping is at it's best and probably the best way to go as you can exploit bad lines early.

Regarding Weeks 16 and 17, I have made it a habit to treat the last two weeks differently as teams rest players, jockey for playoffs and home field advantage, and play spoiler roles. The lines are often significantly adjusted for these factors, and some teams are looking forward to the off-season. This blunts both technical and statistical handicapping to some degree.

Before I indulge the new stuff, here's two of my oldies and all time faves. They hardly ever come up, but it's worth mentioning in the event that they do appear this season.

1.) Go AGAINST any NFL team that scored 30 or more points in each of their last two games while allowing 10 or less in each of those same two games...if they are now playing a team outside of their division.

The rationale is simple. In the NFL, after a team "peaked" offensively and defensively back to back, they tend to let down when faced with an opponent of lesser significance.

2.) Go with a team that is .500> if they are at home off 3 SU losses and played at home last week.

This rarely comes up, but is effective. Following the train of thought goes like this: A winning team has lost 2 games and now they are at home in an environment where you would expect them to bounce back. But they don't. The following week they are at home again and, despite their 3 losses, are at least still .500 or better. This is a good spot for a rout, especially if they are favored.

That's a couple oldies but goodies to look for this season. If we're lucky, we'll get 1 play from each of them...and two winners if we're doubly lucky...

gl,
dave