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    Been waiting for this moment on Bovada- My SB Pick

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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2018 - 12:42 PM ET #1

    I've been waiting for Bovada to have -4.5 for the Pats. 

    Going LARGE on buying the half point to -4 (-120) for the Pats. 

    PATS Money Line at -175 

     

    Also, took Pats +105 -3 halftime line

    Prop Bets:

    Pats Over 13.5 half time. 

    Pats over 27 for the game. 

    Pats/Pats - They need to be up at the half and for the game.

    Brady Over 285.5 Yards

    Brady Over 2 Touchdowns

     Brady -.5 more touchdowns than Foles

    Brady -25.5 more passing yards than Foles

    Brady under 2.5 rushing yards

    Foles under 1.5 rushing yards

     

     

    My cliff notes reasoning: 

    Gronk is going to be available for the super bowl. 

    Brandon Cooks is a huge upgrade to the receiving corps compared to last year's SB. 

    Danny Amendola is the perfect Edelman replacement, especially in big games where he excels. He's always been an amazing receiver, he could just never stay on the field. His catch rate increases significantly in big games and he already has a couple super bowl touchdowns. 

    Blount mouthing off. Anytime a player on the team does this I always take this as a bad sign. 

    Please note, I would be betting on the Eagles with a healthy Caron Wentz, but even with the Eagles having a better defense I just don't see Foles being able to keep up with the Patriots in this one. Looking at the prop bets Vegas already expects the Eagles to turn the ball over more frequently even with a better Eagles defense. I think a lot of it will come down to stopping Ajayi. If the Pats can stop Ajayi from having one of his special games he's been known to have with the Dolphins, then I think Wentz will have difficulty moving the ball. The Super Bowl is a different beast, and I definitely think experience is going to play a major factor here.

    Better offense than last year, more experience, better running game, healthier team is all an advantage to the PATS. The fact that they almost lost to the Jags does not deter me. Pats tend to not make the same mistake twice, and they overlooked the Jags in a way. I actually think the fact that they almost lost to the Jags is going to help them focus for the Super Bowl. 

     

    TL:DR - My prediction is Pats win this game by double digits. 

     

    Good luck everybody! 

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    I've been waiting for Bovada to have -4.5 for the Pats. 

    Going LARGE on buying the half point to -4 (-120) for the Pats. 

    PATS Money Line at -175 

     

    Also, took Pats +105 -3 halftime line

    Prop Bets:

    Pats Over 13.5 half time. 

    Pats over 27 for the game. 

    Pats/Pats - They need to be up at the half and for the game.

    Brady Over 285.5 Yards

    Brady Over 2 Touchdowns

     Brady -.5 more touchdowns than Foles

    Brady -25.5 more passing yards than Foles

    Brady under 2.5 rushing yards

    Foles under 1.5 rushing yards

     

     

    My cliff notes reasoning: 

    Gronk is going to be available for the super bowl. 

    Brandon Cooks is a huge upgrade to the receiving corps compared to last year's SB. 

    Danny Amendola is the perfect Edelman replacement, especially in big games where he excels. He's always been an amazing receiver, he could just never stay on the field. His catch rate increases significantly in big games and he already has a couple super bowl touchdowns. 

    Blount mouthing off. Anytime a player on the team does this I always take this as a bad sign. 

    Please note, I would be betting on the Eagles with a healthy Caron Wentz, but even with the Eagles having a better defense I just don't see Foles being able to keep up with the Patriots in this one. Looking at the prop bets Vegas already expects the Eagles to turn the ball over more frequently even with a better Eagles defense. I think a lot of it will come down to stopping Ajayi. If the Pats can stop Ajayi from having one of his special games he's been known to have with the Dolphins, then I think Wentz will have difficulty moving the ball. The Super Bowl is a different beast, and I definitely think experience is going to play a major factor here.

    Better offense than last year, more experience, better running game, healthier team is all an advantage to the PATS. The fact that they almost lost to the Jags does not deter me. Pats tend to not make the same mistake twice, and they overlooked the Jags in a way. I actually think the fact that they almost lost to the Jags is going to help them focus for the Super Bowl. 

     

    TL:DR - My prediction is Pats win this game by double digits. 

     

    Good luck everybody! 

     
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    Good luck on your pick! I don't have a side yet but your reasoning is solid. Just an FYI, the math on buying points is never favorable. At -120, you must land on the 4 in excess of 1 out of 5  times to make a realized profit on buying the .5. If the number falls on the 4 exactly 20% of the time you break even. Both historical evidence and common logic dictate buying points is a bad proposition. 

    I prefer, at books where they will allow it, to sell the points back to the book. An example of this is the o/u at 5dimes which is currently 48.5 -110 either way. 5dimes will allow you to go over 49 at -100, which imo is a better proposition. The books LOVE it when you buy points so avoid it like the plague.

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    Good luck on your pick! I don't have a side yet but your reasoning is solid. Just an FYI, the math on buying points is never favorable. At -120, you must land on the 4 in excess of 1 out of 5  times to make a realized profit on buying the .5. If the number falls on the 4 exactly 20% of the time you break even. Both historical evidence and common logic dictate buying points is a bad proposition. 

    I prefer, at books where they will allow it, to sell the points back to the book. An example of this is the o/u at 5dimes which is currently 48.5 -110 either way. 5dimes will allow you to go over 49 at -100, which imo is a better proposition. The books LOVE it when you buy points so avoid it like the plague.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2018 - 2:54 PM ET #3

    Gambleholic, I was sitting here thinking I was smart buying it down to the 4, just because I feel like the most common prediction, along with Madden's prediction, haha was that it would end up being a 4 pt game. 

    Your logic makes sense though, when you put it like having to land on the 4 in excess of 1 out of 5 times to make a realized profit, if the books proposed the bet to me that way, I wouldn't take that bet...hmm...thanks for the insight!! too late for me though, i'm already in for a lot on the pats -4 haha... 
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    Gambleholic, I was sitting here thinking I was smart buying it down to the 4, just because I feel like the most common prediction, along with Madden's prediction, haha was that it would end up being a 4 pt game. 

    Your logic makes sense though, when you put it like having to land on the 4 in excess of 1 out of 5 times to make a realized profit, if the books proposed the bet to me that way, I wouldn't take that bet...hmm...thanks for the insight!! too late for me though, i'm already in for a lot on the pats -4 haha... 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2018 - 8:35 PM ET #5

    i like the under myself...
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    i like the under myself...
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2018 - 8:41 PM ET #6

    bovada is a square book and reportedly don't accept sharps.  how do you bet there.  are u a square?

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    bovada is a square book and reportedly don't accept sharps.  how do you bet there.  are u a square?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2018 - 4:43 PM ET #7

    budweiser, we're all squares my man. maybe except you my fantastically sharp witted gambling friend. 

    i'm a believer that the amount of money doesn't make you a sharp, you can just be a bad gambler. 

    I have a couple other sports betting accounts and generally bet with the one that gives me the best line. With that said, I like using bovada, quick and easy with bitcoin. Does that make me a square? Who knows. I do know I lost a little in the regular season, but have since made it back plus a lot more in the playoffs for what it's worth. 

    I don't believe in games being rigged and officiants intentionally adjusting scores in games to keep it close for ratings etc, but I do believe that the media and even vegas to a certain agree does try to influence the public prior to the beginning of the game and feel like we are seeing that with the Eagles. 
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    budweiser, we're all squares my man. maybe except you my fantastically sharp witted gambling friend. 

    i'm a believer that the amount of money doesn't make you a sharp, you can just be a bad gambler. 

    I have a couple other sports betting accounts and generally bet with the one that gives me the best line. With that said, I like using bovada, quick and easy with bitcoin. Does that make me a square? Who knows. I do know I lost a little in the regular season, but have since made it back plus a lot more in the playoffs for what it's worth. 

    I don't believe in games being rigged and officiants intentionally adjusting scores in games to keep it close for ratings etc, but I do believe that the media and even vegas to a certain agree does try to influence the public prior to the beginning of the game and feel like we are seeing that with the Eagles. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by tonychiza:

    budweiser, we're all squares my man. maybe except you my fantastically sharp witted gambling friend..

    well i can't say if you're a square or not, but from what i understand bovada doesn't think you're a sharp or you wouldn't be there.  bovada doesn't let sharps play at bovada.

    thery're not the only ones.  in vegas you can find some books are stingier than others.  Even with totally square wagers that I have lost, they have refused to take it or looked at me like I was doing something bad.  When I go to Treasure Island for example, if I put down $200 it has to get approved and the guys look like I'm there to rob a bank or something.  If I go to the big boys, for example CG, they take bets.  MGM is not bad, Caesars/Boyd is not bad.  William Hill is another stingy book.

    Is what it is.

    Not sure there's a definite sharp/square divide this game and even if there was, the public makes the line.  Given we're hearing 50/50, with a lot of Eagles ML wagers, not a bad line so far.  You have to think some huge Pats ML wagers are coming, but who knows we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonychiza:

    budweiser, we're all squares my man. maybe except you my fantastically sharp witted gambling friend..

    well i can't say if you're a square or not, but from what i understand bovada doesn't think you're a sharp or you wouldn't be there.  bovada doesn't let sharps play at bovada.

    thery're not the only ones.  in vegas you can find some books are stingier than others.  Even with totally square wagers that I have lost, they have refused to take it or looked at me like I was doing something bad.  When I go to Treasure Island for example, if I put down $200 it has to get approved and the guys look like I'm there to rob a bank or something.  If I go to the big boys, for example CG, they take bets.  MGM is not bad, Caesars/Boyd is not bad.  William Hill is another stingy book.

    Is what it is.

    Not sure there's a definite sharp/square divide this game and even if there was, the public makes the line.  Given we're hearing 50/50, with a lot of Eagles ML wagers, not a bad line so far.  You have to think some huge Pats ML wagers are coming, but who knows we'll see.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2018 - 5:56 PM ET #9

    south point was another.  figured i'd trek over there just for the heck of it and the guys looked like i was there to do some major damage by actually wagering on the game.  And the game lost handily. lol

    you can just feel the scum or the bean counters behind the counter sometimes

    what a joke a lot of these books are.  i respect the ones that actually let the players wager.  the rest of 'em should go out of biz.

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    south point was another.  figured i'd trek over there just for the heck of it and the guys looked like i was there to do some major damage by actually wagering on the game.  And the game lost handily. lol

    you can just feel the scum or the bean counters behind the counter sometimes

    what a joke a lot of these books are.  i respect the ones that actually let the players wager.  the rest of 'em should go out of biz.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2018 - 5:58 PM ET #10

    as for bovada why would you wager there

    why would you wager at a place you know that the only people they like are people that lose money

    scumbags, lots of 'em in this biz

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    as for bovada why would you wager there

    why would you wager at a place you know that the only people they like are people that lose money

    scumbags, lots of 'em in this biz

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2018 - 6:03 PM ET #11

    westgate used to be good. used to love watching the game there, now they're tighter than a virgin's *ss.  bean counters

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    westgate used to be good. used to love watching the game there, now they're tighter than a virgin's *ss.  bean counters

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2018 - 6:05 PM ET #12

    bottom line cg tech is great, and can't go wrong with caesars/boyd or mgm.  those are a ton of books and they are fair and straight up and don't try to screw u

    wondering if anyone else thinks different-i'm sure they do

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    bottom line cg tech is great, and can't go wrong with caesars/boyd or mgm.  those are a ton of books and they are fair and straight up and don't try to screw u

    wondering if anyone else thinks different-i'm sure they do

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2018 - 6:08 PM ET #13

    online pinnacle is the best, but you can't be in the us.  if you are, can't go wrong with 5dimes or bookmaker. 

    stay away from sports interaction or betus or garbage scumbag books like those

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    online pinnacle is the best, but you can't be in the us.  if you are, can't go wrong with 5dimes or bookmaker. 

    stay away from sports interaction or betus or garbage scumbag books like those

     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2018 - 6:10 PM ET #14

    just look at the million $ guy on philly

    mgm took a ton, so did caesers cg william hill and south point

    those are signs of good books, ones that take action

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    just look at the million $ guy on philly

    mgm took a ton, so did caesers cg william hill and south point

    those are signs of good books, ones that take action

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