In my own conspiracy theory, there are two reasons for that:
(a) TV ratings: to make the game itself more exciting and fun to watch (as opposed to just a pure defensive battle or one-sided game).
(b) Over/Under bets: to make sure all Under bets (1st Half, full-game or even in-game wagering done in the 1st quarter) are toasted.
Or maybe it was just a coincidence... but when I add all of these unexplainable obeservations up, I personally lean more towards the "conspiracy theory" part... However, this is just my own opinion... but you be the judge.
In my own conspiracy theory, there are two reasons for that:
(a) TV ratings: to make the game itself more exciting and fun to watch (as opposed to just a pure defensive battle or one-sided game).
(b) Over/Under bets: to make sure all Under bets (1st Half, full-game or even in-game wagering done in the 1st quarter) are toasted.
Or maybe it was just a coincidence... but when I add all of these unexplainable obeservations up, I personally lean more towards the "conspiracy theory" part... However, this is just my own opinion... but you be the judge.
this is probably one of the worst possible scores for Vegas and sportsbooks. ---> Hmmm... I am not so sure... but we will be able to see the actual profit/loss results from this Superbowl when Vegas release their figures in a few weeks. We shall see... maybe you are correct...
this is probably one of the worst possible scores for Vegas and sportsbooks. ---> Hmmm... I am not so sure... but we will be able to see the actual profit/loss results from this Superbowl when Vegas release their figures in a few weeks. We shall see... maybe you are correct...
I am in Taipei City (north part of Taiwan). Good counter-point. That's why I brought my suscipions up for discussion and feedback. Like you said, we can all just look at this game as a normal game, and coach made a bad calling (trying to catch NE off-guard by throwing as opposed to passing). And I hope you are right... these are just some of my suspicions and doubts, and it happened all too often in other games thru similar fashions as well... And we will never know for a "fact" until someone gets caught again... haha... but very good counter-point, and I am in no position to challenge any of the things you said. This is just another usual day at the NFL...
I am in Taipei City (north part of Taiwan). Good counter-point. That's why I brought my suscipions up for discussion and feedback. Like you said, we can all just look at this game as a normal game, and coach made a bad calling (trying to catch NE off-guard by throwing as opposed to passing). And I hope you are right... these are just some of my suspicions and doubts, and it happened all too often in other games thru similar fashions as well... And we will never know for a "fact" until someone gets caught again... haha... but very good counter-point, and I am in no position to challenge any of the things you said. This is just another usual day at the NFL...
In my own conspiracy theory, there are two reasons for that:
(a) TV ratings: to make the game itself more exciting and fun to watch (as opposed to just a pure defensive battle or one-sided game).
(b) Over/Under bets: to make sure all Under bets (1st Half, full-game or even in-game wagering done in the 1st quarter) are toasted.
Or maybe it was just a coincidence... but when I add all of these unexplainable obeservations up, I personally lean more towards the "conspiracy theory" part... However, this is just my own opinion... but you be the judge.
In my own conspiracy theory, there are two reasons for that:
(a) TV ratings: to make the game itself more exciting and fun to watch (as opposed to just a pure defensive battle or one-sided game).
(b) Over/Under bets: to make sure all Under bets (1st Half, full-game or even in-game wagering done in the 1st quarter) are toasted.
Or maybe it was just a coincidence... but when I add all of these unexplainable obeservations up, I personally lean more towards the "conspiracy theory" part... However, this is just my own opinion... but you be the judge.
Yeah... this is exactly what I am doing, to trying to see valuable feedback or counterpoints to my original thoughts. I am here to listen and learn. Like you said, trying to figure out the "fixed side"... I am doing exactly that (to hear from all replies, positive or negative), and hope to gain from it. After this thread (since I dont really post that much, and it's the first conspiracy theory thread that I have ever posted), I will definitely focus my energy elsewhere... Damage is done and a loss is a loss, and I have no regret for my bets. Life goes on and I will just need to try to grind back one game at a time, in the NBA...
Yeah... this is exactly what I am doing, to trying to see valuable feedback or counterpoints to my original thoughts. I am here to listen and learn. Like you said, trying to figure out the "fixed side"... I am doing exactly that (to hear from all replies, positive or negative), and hope to gain from it. After this thread (since I dont really post that much, and it's the first conspiracy theory thread that I have ever posted), I will definitely focus my energy elsewhere... Damage is done and a loss is a loss, and I have no regret for my bets. Life goes on and I will just need to try to grind back one game at a time, in the NBA...
Okay, point taken. Thanks for the feedback, and like I said, we will see for sure, how much Vegas wins or loses in this Superbowl, when they release the figures in a few weeks.
Okay, point taken. Thanks for the feedback, and like I said, we will see for sure, how much Vegas wins or loses in this Superbowl, when they release the figures in a few weeks.
Okay, I dont watch enough Seahwaks game to know that. Thanks for point that out and the counter-point.
Okay, I dont watch enough Seahwaks game to know that. Thanks for point that out and the counter-point.
I dont disagree that Hawks were super lucky to have made that catch (at the 5-yard line); in my conspiracy theory, maybe they werent supposed to (but most players wont know); in my opinion, if Vegas wants to fix a game, they want to fix as fewer people as possible, and in this case, maybe just the coach and the quarterback (and maybe Lynch as well). I dont know... This is just a wild imagination from me, like Julia Roberts in that Pelican Brief's move... haha
I dont disagree that Hawks were super lucky to have made that catch (at the 5-yard line); in my conspiracy theory, maybe they werent supposed to (but most players wont know); in my opinion, if Vegas wants to fix a game, they want to fix as fewer people as possible, and in this case, maybe just the coach and the quarterback (and maybe Lynch as well). I dont know... This is just a wild imagination from me, like Julia Roberts in that Pelican Brief's move... haha
Thanks for the feedback and chiming in. Cant disagree with you and your assessment at all. And I want to thank you personally again to releasing that Titan Moon play, in helping me to reduce half of my wagers for the game. I originally had 10k (USD) equivalent on the game, and reduced it by half after I read your post and watched the strange line/juice movement on my local sportsbook. Many thanks again. You are one of the most valued capper that I have come across on this site..., keep up the good work and your NBA threads are a must-read for me everyday. Cheers, mate!!
Thanks for the feedback and chiming in. Cant disagree with you and your assessment at all. And I want to thank you personally again to releasing that Titan Moon play, in helping me to reduce half of my wagers for the game. I originally had 10k (USD) equivalent on the game, and reduced it by half after I read your post and watched the strange line/juice movement on my local sportsbook. Many thanks again. You are one of the most valued capper that I have come across on this site..., keep up the good work and your NBA threads are a must-read for me everyday. Cheers, mate!!
Okay, thanks for the feedback and counterpoint. Fair enough... If the game was indeed fixed, I would guessed only a very limited of persons/players need to (or have to) know, which includes the coach, the quarterback and probably the running back... Just my wildest imagination... haha
Okay, thanks for the feedback and counterpoint. Fair enough... If the game was indeed fixed, I would guessed only a very limited of persons/players need to (or have to) know, which includes the coach, the quarterback and probably the running back... Just my wildest imagination... haha
Haha... I hear ya
Haha... I hear ya
Yeah, that could happen too (if given sufficient time)... but only 40 seconds left... too many things could go wrong if Seahawks scored there and NE had to score again... (in my conspiracy theory mind)... haha
Yeah, that could happen too (if given sufficient time)... but only 40 seconds left... too many things could go wrong if Seahawks scored there and NE had to score again... (in my conspiracy theory mind)... haha
I have been a long-time member/lurker on Covers, rarely post but have been reading most of the posts in the forum.
Whether this Superbowl game was truly fixed or not, here are my perspective and reasons:
(1) The biggest sports-wagering site in Taiwan (called Worldwide) had this game up last night (they only have the game/lines 1 day before the actual game, unlike most other sites in the US). At first, Seattle Seahawks line was -0.5 but poor juice (went from 94% to 90% in the first hour, and from 90% to 86% within the first 3 hours; and never recovered from the low juice until 1 hour before gametime). This rarely happens (staying at such a low juice on one side, Seattle, for almost the entire betting action time) for such a big game like this. Even though Superbowl is not as popular in Taiwan, but it is still a widely wagered game. However, one hour before game time, the line for Seattle went from -1 to pk, with normal juice or high juice again at 96%. My conclusion: something is up, even books in Taiwan somehow knew...
(2) Almost every thread I opened was talking about "Under", and you can see it for yourselves too on Covers. Based on the threads that I have opened, it seemed 80% or more of the threads had "Under". But guess what? At that time, I knew the Under wouldnt cash in for such a big game like this... And guess what? Even after no-scoring in the 1st quarter, they produced 28 points in the 2nd quarter alone, making sure any 1st half Unders are toast, and you cannot even buy out your original full game Unders because the 2nd half O/U line was 24. Even if you tried to buy out with Over 24, it was a still push for the 2nd half; but the more important full game under at 47, 48, 49 are all toasted. My conclusion: Vegas wins big on most of the Over/Under bets.
(3) I have been watching very closely on the Superbowl lines for the last 2 weeks (i.e. Pinnacle). I can tell (I may be wrong, but I think this is true, and Vegas will release their numbers and profits soon) that even though most of the bets (not $$ amounts) are on NE (as also suggested by Covers Consensus 60% NE, 40% Seattle), but the big money was coming in heavily on Seattle Seahawks (including mine), especially in the last couple of days, which is why you see the line went from pk to -1, and juice went from -102 for Seattle to -110 for Seattle on pinnacle in the last 1-2 days, until 1-2 hour before gametime (when most of the wagers have probably been placed already). So, if Seattle wins, I think Vegas stands to lose some big money (again, we will be able to know the actul profit/loss figures when Vegas released it). My conclusion: Vegas wont want Seattle win.
(4) With 40 some seconds left, when Seattle made it 2nd and goal at the 1-yard line, if they score a TD, NE would just need a Field Goal to tie. Normally, any coach on the opposing team should call a time out there (because the odds are Seattle is going to score a TD with the amount of time left and 2 timeouts remaining, plus how well Lynch has been running). Why didn't NE call a timeout?? Unless they knew they are gonna get an interception or win the game somehow, someway.... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game.
(5) With 2 Time outs left (Seahawks also wasted a timeout the down before (1st down), as the play clock went to zero, dont get that part either; I guess Vegas wants to make full sure that Seattle wont get the ball back after the interception) and ball at the 1-yard line at 2nd down (3 tries to the end zone), any coach with any sense would run there (at least on the 2nd down), and give Lynch a shot (especially he had already run 4 yards from the 5-yard line to 1-yard line on the previous down). Even if they want to throw, why not throw at the corners where its less covered or less chance for interception? Why throw at the middle where there are tons of NE defenders? Or why even bother throwing at 2nd down? I can see they try throwing on 3rd down or 4th down... but never on 2nd down with Wilson throwing... My conclusion: only way it will make sure NE wins, cuz if they hand the ball to Lynch, he will score maybe 70% of the times, if not more. Vegas or Seattle can't risk that if NE needs to win.
(6) So, why fix this game? who gains?
(a) Vegas wins (because most of the bigger bets, heavy money were probably on Seattle and Under; guess what? both lost). Vegas probably took some hit in NBA this season, as many average joes made money thru betting those streaky teams, including Atlanta and Golden State; look at this, even someone has broken the Streak21 record this season, and reached 24; I am sure many average bettors win in the NBA when Atlanta and GS were playing like ATS covering machines until last week, after Brackson's streak is broken (with GS playing against the Bulls).
(b) The NFL probably also wants Tom Brady to win this Superbowl too, so that he will not go down as a choker (by losing 3 straight superbowls). They need Tom Brady as icon (like Michael Jordan or Lebron James). It's good for the game and promotion, and for the NFL brand too. SeaHawks are a young team with lots of talent, and NFL knows they will still have plenty of chances. So, next time, if Seattle ever goes to Superbowl again, mark my words, Vegas probably needs to return them a big favor... haha... We shall see.
I am not an expert and I am from Taiwan and dont follow the games that closely as some of the posters here. But, I am just bringing this up, based on my own observation and perspective. Hope this makes sense, and that my conspiracy theory is not too far out of line. What are your thoughts? Any feedback or corrections are welcomed. Thanks.
I have been a long-time member/lurker on Covers, rarely post but have been reading most of the posts in the forum.
Whether this Superbowl game was truly fixed or not, here are my perspective and reasons:
(1) The biggest sports-wagering site in Taiwan (called Worldwide) had this game up last night (they only have the game/lines 1 day before the actual game, unlike most other sites in the US). At first, Seattle Seahawks line was -0.5 but poor juice (went from 94% to 90% in the first hour, and from 90% to 86% within the first 3 hours; and never recovered from the low juice until 1 hour before gametime). This rarely happens (staying at such a low juice on one side, Seattle, for almost the entire betting action time) for such a big game like this. Even though Superbowl is not as popular in Taiwan, but it is still a widely wagered game. However, one hour before game time, the line for Seattle went from -1 to pk, with normal juice or high juice again at 96%. My conclusion: something is up, even books in Taiwan somehow knew...
(2) Almost every thread I opened was talking about "Under", and you can see it for yourselves too on Covers. Based on the threads that I have opened, it seemed 80% or more of the threads had "Under". But guess what? At that time, I knew the Under wouldnt cash in for such a big game like this... And guess what? Even after no-scoring in the 1st quarter, they produced 28 points in the 2nd quarter alone, making sure any 1st half Unders are toast, and you cannot even buy out your original full game Unders because the 2nd half O/U line was 24. Even if you tried to buy out with Over 24, it was a still push for the 2nd half; but the more important full game under at 47, 48, 49 are all toasted. My conclusion: Vegas wins big on most of the Over/Under bets.
(3) I have been watching very closely on the Superbowl lines for the last 2 weeks (i.e. Pinnacle). I can tell (I may be wrong, but I think this is true, and Vegas will release their numbers and profits soon) that even though most of the bets (not $$ amounts) are on NE (as also suggested by Covers Consensus 60% NE, 40% Seattle), but the big money was coming in heavily on Seattle Seahawks (including mine), especially in the last couple of days, which is why you see the line went from pk to -1, and juice went from -102 for Seattle to -110 for Seattle on pinnacle in the last 1-2 days, until 1-2 hour before gametime (when most of the wagers have probably been placed already). So, if Seattle wins, I think Vegas stands to lose some big money (again, we will be able to know the actul profit/loss figures when Vegas released it). My conclusion: Vegas wont want Seattle win.
(4) With 40 some seconds left, when Seattle made it 2nd and goal at the 1-yard line, if they score a TD, NE would just need a Field Goal to tie. Normally, any coach on the opposing team should call a time out there (because the odds are Seattle is going to score a TD with the amount of time left and 2 timeouts remaining, plus how well Lynch has been running). Why didn't NE call a timeout?? Unless they knew they are gonna get an interception or win the game somehow, someway.... My conclusion: Seattle probably got the call from Vegas to dump the game.
(5) With 2 Time outs left (Seahawks also wasted a timeout the down before (1st down), as the play clock went to zero, dont get that part either; I guess Vegas wants to make full sure that Seattle wont get the ball back after the interception) and ball at the 1-yard line at 2nd down (3 tries to the end zone), any coach with any sense would run there (at least on the 2nd down), and give Lynch a shot (especially he had already run 4 yards from the 5-yard line to 1-yard line on the previous down). Even if they want to throw, why not throw at the corners where its less covered or less chance for interception? Why throw at the middle where there are tons of NE defenders? Or why even bother throwing at 2nd down? I can see they try throwing on 3rd down or 4th down... but never on 2nd down with Wilson throwing... My conclusion: only way it will make sure NE wins, cuz if they hand the ball to Lynch, he will score maybe 70% of the times, if not more. Vegas or Seattle can't risk that if NE needs to win.
(6) So, why fix this game? who gains?
(a) Vegas wins (because most of the bigger bets, heavy money were probably on Seattle and Under; guess what? both lost). Vegas probably took some hit in NBA this season, as many average joes made money thru betting those streaky teams, including Atlanta and Golden State; look at this, even someone has broken the Streak21 record this season, and reached 24; I am sure many average bettors win in the NBA when Atlanta and GS were playing like ATS covering machines until last week, after Brackson's streak is broken (with GS playing against the Bulls).
(b) The NFL probably also wants Tom Brady to win this Superbowl too, so that he will not go down as a choker (by losing 3 straight superbowls). They need Tom Brady as icon (like Michael Jordan or Lebron James). It's good for the game and promotion, and for the NFL brand too. SeaHawks are a young team with lots of talent, and NFL knows they will still have plenty of chances. So, next time, if Seattle ever goes to Superbowl again, mark my words, Vegas probably needs to return them a big favor... haha... We shall see.
I am not an expert and I am from Taiwan and dont follow the games that closely as some of the posters here. But, I am just bringing this up, based on my own observation and perspective. Hope this makes sense, and that my conspiracy theory is not too far out of line. What are your thoughts? Any feedback or corrections are welcomed. Thanks.
You are right, and I am absolutely not giving myself any excuses for the wrong side of my Superbowl bet. That's not what I posted here today, and I very rarely post (start a thread), and I believe this is my 1st time starting thread with the "conspiracy theory" topic. I am just looking for any feedback or opinions, positive or negative, for my future reference, so that I can have a better and wider perspective of the games.
You are right, and I am absolutely not giving myself any excuses for the wrong side of my Superbowl bet. That's not what I posted here today, and I very rarely post (start a thread), and I believe this is my 1st time starting thread with the "conspiracy theory" topic. I am just looking for any feedback or opinions, positive or negative, for my future reference, so that I can have a better and wider perspective of the games.
It is called "worldwide sports net", but all in Chinese (unfortunately). And you need a User ID and password to get in to view all the odds and teams, unlike Pinnacle where anyone can take a look at their Main wagering menu and know where the latest line/odds are. So, under these conditions, I wouldnt be able to provide the information that you need.
It is called "worldwide sports net", but all in Chinese (unfortunately). And you need a User ID and password to get in to view all the odds and teams, unlike Pinnacle where anyone can take a look at their Main wagering menu and know where the latest line/odds are. So, under these conditions, I wouldnt be able to provide the information that you need.
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