Trump is threatening steel and aluminum tariffs (steel 25%, aluminum 10%). China could retaliate with agricultural tariffs, specifically the corn and/or soybean producers. Largest exporters of these agricultural products are located in the midwest (Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Indiana, Kansas, Wisconsin and etc, etc). Lets just hope China doesn't retaliate by buying less or outright halt their purchases of our U.S. Treasury Bills.
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Trump is threatening steel and aluminum tariffs (steel 25%, aluminum 10%). China could retaliate with agricultural tariffs, specifically the corn and/or soybean producers. Largest exporters of these agricultural products are located in the midwest (Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, Indiana, Kansas, Wisconsin and etc, etc). Lets just hope China doesn't retaliate by buying less or outright halt their purchases of our U.S. Treasury Bills.
That's so funny. Trump has bought so much Chinese steel in his day and now all of a sudden...
Good for him though. I support tariffs, not as a means of revenue generation, but as a deterrent to buying foreign made products. The cost of the tariff gets past on to consumers and all of a sudden price isn't a good excuse to by some chinese made piece of crap. I wonder how well it will go over with his base. Many of them, whom claim to love America so much, are the first to run to Walmart to give China our money.
As far as tariffs on Agricultural products, I think it will affect large super producers more than small farmers. China is a huge consumer of Almonds, one of my home states biggest crops. And I tell you one thing, it ain't the couple from American Gothic who are growing them. I often wonder if the boost to the states economy is worth the drain on it's limited water supply. Takes a lot of water to grow and almond. If the money is going into the pockets of huge conglomerate farmers, often with foreign ownership interest involved, what really is the benefit to the state and country? Low paying migrant farmer jobs that we all know who fills.
TIME TO BRING BACK THE OBAMA CAGES!
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That's so funny. Trump has bought so much Chinese steel in his day and now all of a sudden...
Good for him though. I support tariffs, not as a means of revenue generation, but as a deterrent to buying foreign made products. The cost of the tariff gets past on to consumers and all of a sudden price isn't a good excuse to by some chinese made piece of crap. I wonder how well it will go over with his base. Many of them, whom claim to love America so much, are the first to run to Walmart to give China our money.
As far as tariffs on Agricultural products, I think it will affect large super producers more than small farmers. China is a huge consumer of Almonds, one of my home states biggest crops. And I tell you one thing, it ain't the couple from American Gothic who are growing them. I often wonder if the boost to the states economy is worth the drain on it's limited water supply. Takes a lot of water to grow and almond. If the money is going into the pockets of huge conglomerate farmers, often with foreign ownership interest involved, what really is the benefit to the state and country? Low paying migrant farmer jobs that we all know who fills.
Negotiating 101 come in high accept less make the other side think they won something. Force the people across the table to make hastily prepared statements, to tip their hand, in front of a bank of microphones.
(full disclosure i do not know anything about the steel industry)
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Negotiating 101 come in high accept less make the other side think they won something. Force the people across the table to make hastily prepared statements, to tip their hand, in front of a bank of microphones.
(full disclosure i do not know anything about the steel industry)
Canada, Mexico and South Korea are the largest steel exporters to the U.S. China is #11. Retaliation can come from our neighbors instead of China since they're the one's getting hit the hardest.
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Canada, Mexico and South Korea are the largest steel exporters to the U.S. China is #11. Retaliation can come from our neighbors instead of China since they're the one's getting hit the hardest.
So there wont be country based loopholes huh? China is 5 steps ahead of this blowhard it wont make much difference to them...they will play the US corp game of shifting the materials to another country for a polish and then avoid this big tough tarriff just like the solar panels.
Want to be tough Trump? How about smack down the US corps who are cheating the government of legit taxable income, start there instead of fake gestures like this is.
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So there wont be country based loopholes huh? China is 5 steps ahead of this blowhard it wont make much difference to them...they will play the US corp game of shifting the materials to another country for a polish and then avoid this big tough tarriff just like the solar panels.
Want to be tough Trump? How about smack down the US corps who are cheating the government of legit taxable income, start there instead of fake gestures like this is.
So there wont be country based loopholes huh? China is 5 steps ahead of this blowhard it wont make much difference to them...they will play the US corp game of shifting the materials to another country for a polish and then avoid this big tough tarriff just like the solar panels.
Want to be tough Trump? How about smack down the US corps who are cheating the government of legit taxable income, start there instead of fake gestures like this is.
Obama the Precious slapped Chinese steelmakers with final import duties of 522 % on cold-rolled flat steel ....
So why is it a big deal if Trump does something similar now?
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
So there wont be country based loopholes huh? China is 5 steps ahead of this blowhard it wont make much difference to them...they will play the US corp game of shifting the materials to another country for a polish and then avoid this big tough tarriff just like the solar panels.
Want to be tough Trump? How about smack down the US corps who are cheating the government of legit taxable income, start there instead of fake gestures like this is.
Obama the Precious slapped Chinese steelmakers with final import duties of 522 % on cold-rolled flat steel ....
So why is it a big deal if Trump does something similar now?
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: So there wont be country based loopholes huh? China is 5 steps ahead of this blowhard it wont make much difference to them...they will play the US corp game of shifting the materials to another country for a polish and then avoid this big tough tarriff just like the solar panels. Want to be tough Trump? How about smack down the US corps who are cheating the government of legit taxable income, start there instead of fake gestures like this is. Obama the Precious slapped Chinese steelmakers with final import duties of 522 % on cold-rolled flat steel ....So why is it a big deal if Trump does something similar now?
I am the one here who wondered why he didnt do it at the same time as the solar farce. If you want to REALLY do this then make it across the board, no loopholes and be serious about it...not just China and a few others, do all countries or none.
I think the whole idea is a waste of time, unless it serves the true purpose it is lip service. How about we really crack down on the abusers...the Chinese are not the abusers of this country...it is our own multi-national corps who are abusing this country and cheating much more in dollars than the Chinese.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: So there wont be country based loopholes huh? China is 5 steps ahead of this blowhard it wont make much difference to them...they will play the US corp game of shifting the materials to another country for a polish and then avoid this big tough tarriff just like the solar panels. Want to be tough Trump? How about smack down the US corps who are cheating the government of legit taxable income, start there instead of fake gestures like this is. Obama the Precious slapped Chinese steelmakers with final import duties of 522 % on cold-rolled flat steel ....So why is it a big deal if Trump does something similar now?
I am the one here who wondered why he didnt do it at the same time as the solar farce. If you want to REALLY do this then make it across the board, no loopholes and be serious about it...not just China and a few others, do all countries or none.
I think the whole idea is a waste of time, unless it serves the true purpose it is lip service. How about we really crack down on the abusers...the Chinese are not the abusers of this country...it is our own multi-national corps who are abusing this country and cheating much more in dollars than the Chinese.
I am not afraid of China and what they might do. China is a pollution monster, a human rights abuser, and a world dominated by Chinese influence is better off dead , and the Chinese living here would not disagree woth me.
Yeah all those reasons are why the Trump-ster is doing this..
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Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:
I am not afraid of China and what they might do. China is a pollution monster, a human rights abuser, and a world dominated by Chinese influence is better off dead , and the Chinese living here would not disagree woth me.
Yeah all those reasons are why the Trump-ster is doing this..
I am the one here who wondered why he didnt do it at the same time as the solar farce. If you want to REALLY do this then make it across the board, no loopholes and be serious about it...not just China and a few others, do all countries or none.
I think the whole idea is a waste of time, unless it serves the true purpose it is lip service. How about we really crack down on the abusers...the Chinese are not the abusers of this country...it is our own multi-national corps who are abusing this country and cheating much more in dollars than the Chinese.
When the tariffs on steel were imposed by the previous administration,, I guess they were not really serious either ..because it only effected China and six other countries....I think there's always a political reason when President's like Obama and Trump don't go across the board with tariffs..
Although GW.Bush did put a temporary tariff of30% on all global steel imports back in 2002........
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
I am the one here who wondered why he didnt do it at the same time as the solar farce. If you want to REALLY do this then make it across the board, no loopholes and be serious about it...not just China and a few others, do all countries or none.
I think the whole idea is a waste of time, unless it serves the true purpose it is lip service. How about we really crack down on the abusers...the Chinese are not the abusers of this country...it is our own multi-national corps who are abusing this country and cheating much more in dollars than the Chinese.
When the tariffs on steel were imposed by the previous administration,, I guess they were not really serious either ..because it only effected China and six other countries....I think there's always a political reason when President's like Obama and Trump don't go across the board with tariffs..
Although GW.Bush did put a temporary tariff of30% on all global steel imports back in 2002........
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: I am the one here who wondered why he didnt do it at the same time as the solar farce. If you want to REALLY do this then make it across the board, no loopholes and be serious about it...not just China and a few others, do all countries or none. I think the whole idea is a waste of time, unless it serves the true purpose it is lip service. How about we really crack down on the abusers...the Chinese are not the abusers of this country...it is our own multi-national corps who are abusing this country and cheating much more in dollars than the Chinese. When the tariffs on steel were imposed by the previous administration,, I guess they were not really serious either ..because it only effected China and six other countries....I think there's always a political reason when President's like Obama and Trump don't go across the board with tariffs..Although GW.Bush did put a temporary tariff of30% on all global steel imports back in 2002........
Yeah as usual its repub vs dem with you.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: I am the one here who wondered why he didnt do it at the same time as the solar farce. If you want to REALLY do this then make it across the board, no loopholes and be serious about it...not just China and a few others, do all countries or none. I think the whole idea is a waste of time, unless it serves the true purpose it is lip service. How about we really crack down on the abusers...the Chinese are not the abusers of this country...it is our own multi-national corps who are abusing this country and cheating much more in dollars than the Chinese. When the tariffs on steel were imposed by the previous administration,, I guess they were not really serious either ..because it only effected China and six other countries....I think there's always a political reason when President's like Obama and Trump don't go across the board with tariffs..Although GW.Bush did put a temporary tariff of30% on all global steel imports back in 2002........
Wallstreet journal calls Trump unnecessary tariffs the worst policy blunder. Republicans, pentagon and united steelworkers union urge Trump to exclude US allies. China is the problem and not allies. Although inflation is bad for consumers and manufacturers, bigger risk is undermining global system of trade.
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Wallstreet journal calls Trump unnecessary tariffs the worst policy blunder. Republicans, pentagon and united steelworkers union urge Trump to exclude US allies. China is the problem and not allies. Although inflation is bad for consumers and manufacturers, bigger risk is undermining global system of trade.
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Yeah as usual its repub vs dem with you. You need to whistle a different tune ..Did I not post.... "President's like Obama and Trump " ?
Oh my word..
The discussion was Trumpster and you bring up Obama as a retort...you need a cup of coffee this morning it seems.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Yeah as usual its repub vs dem with you. You need to whistle a different tune ..Did I not post.... "President's like Obama and Trump " ?
Oh my word..
The discussion was Trumpster and you bring up Obama as a retort...you need a cup of coffee this morning it seems.
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Oh my word.. The discussion was Trumpster and you bring up Obama as a retort...you need a cup of coffee this morning it seems. No not as a retort ...only as a comparison to the similarity between the two presidents actions on the same issue,,
Did you quote my comment in #17 and reply with an Obama "comparison"???
Thats called A RETORT...
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Oh my word.. The discussion was Trumpster and you bring up Obama as a retort...you need a cup of coffee this morning it seems. No not as a retort ...only as a comparison to the similarity between the two presidents actions on the same issue,,
Did you quote my comment in #17 and reply with an Obama "comparison"???
Did you quote my comment in #17 and reply with an Obama "comparison"???
Thats called A RETORT...
Yes, #17 was commentto your criticism,that to be serious.... tariffs have to be across the board. My comparison was to illustrate that selective tariffs are nothing new and I used an example.
..and the topic is about steel and aluminum tariffs not solar panels... But,since you brought it up and compared it to President Trump's tariffs on steel and aluminum .... The President knows how Chinese manufacturers have moved operations to other
countries .President Trumps tariffs apply to all imported solar photo-voltaic cells and modules.
So if,I use ,,as you say "as usual its repub vs dem" comments ... how is that any different,,than your one sided partisan comments against the President ..with the omission of it ever being done by past Presidents ?
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Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Did you quote my comment in #17 and reply with an Obama "comparison"???
Thats called A RETORT...
Yes, #17 was commentto your criticism,that to be serious.... tariffs have to be across the board. My comparison was to illustrate that selective tariffs are nothing new and I used an example.
..and the topic is about steel and aluminum tariffs not solar panels... But,since you brought it up and compared it to President Trump's tariffs on steel and aluminum .... The President knows how Chinese manufacturers have moved operations to other
countries .President Trumps tariffs apply to all imported solar photo-voltaic cells and modules.
So if,I use ,,as you say "as usual its repub vs dem" comments ... how is that any different,,than your one sided partisan comments against the President ..with the omission of it ever being done by past Presidents ?
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Did you quote my comment in #17 and reply with an Obama "comparison"??? Thats called A RETORT...Yes, #17 was comment to your criticism,that to be serious.... tariffs have to be across the board. My comparison was to illustrate that selective tariffs are nothing new and I used an example...and the topic is about steel and aluminum tariffs not solar panels... But,since you brought it up and compared it to President Trump's tariffs on steel and aluminum .... The President knows how Chinese manufacturers have moved operations to other countries .President Trumps tariffs apply to all imported solar photo-voltaic cells and modules.So if,I use ,,as you say "as usual its repub vs dem" comments ... how is that any different,,than your one sided partisan comments against the President ..with the omission of it ever being done by past Presidents ?
How is it different??? this is so pathetic it is humorous. My comment about solar panels was ON topic to say that I mentioned this issue previously, admitting that I asked why he didnt hit steel and aluminum also...on topic. How is it different? Well being critical of Trump is not being partisan, it is being critical of TRUMP. Being partisan would go like so... "Trump is a moronic, useless republican and if Sanders or Clinton would have been elected it would be XYZ blah blah blah...THAT is partisan.
You may not like that I am critical of HIM, but that does not make my comment partisan. I think Trump is an abusive, little ego loser no matter what party he belongs to. It is not often you will find me blaming PARTY or comparing PARTY, but you fall into this repub vs dem over and over and over and over. Its a weak, unskilled way of debating, it is a waste of time and a joke. Debate the topic, refute the topic not what party he is or what Obama did or didnt do.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: Did you quote my comment in #17 and reply with an Obama "comparison"??? Thats called A RETORT...Yes, #17 was comment to your criticism,that to be serious.... tariffs have to be across the board. My comparison was to illustrate that selective tariffs are nothing new and I used an example...and the topic is about steel and aluminum tariffs not solar panels... But,since you brought it up and compared it to President Trump's tariffs on steel and aluminum .... The President knows how Chinese manufacturers have moved operations to other countries .President Trumps tariffs apply to all imported solar photo-voltaic cells and modules.So if,I use ,,as you say "as usual its repub vs dem" comments ... how is that any different,,than your one sided partisan comments against the President ..with the omission of it ever being done by past Presidents ?
How is it different??? this is so pathetic it is humorous. My comment about solar panels was ON topic to say that I mentioned this issue previously, admitting that I asked why he didnt hit steel and aluminum also...on topic. How is it different? Well being critical of Trump is not being partisan, it is being critical of TRUMP. Being partisan would go like so... "Trump is a moronic, useless republican and if Sanders or Clinton would have been elected it would be XYZ blah blah blah...THAT is partisan.
You may not like that I am critical of HIM, but that does not make my comment partisan. I think Trump is an abusive, little ego loser no matter what party he belongs to. It is not often you will find me blaming PARTY or comparing PARTY, but you fall into this repub vs dem over and over and over and over. Its a weak, unskilled way of debating, it is a waste of time and a joke. Debate the topic, refute the topic not what party he is or what Obama did or didnt do.
What I mean by being partisan is you saying... I don' t like Obama, but nothing about what you don't like about him or any name calling...on the other hand.. whatever President Trump does ..you call him every negative and unfavorable name in the book..very telling..to say the least.
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What I mean by being partisan is you saying... I don' t like Obama, but nothing about what you don't like about him or any name calling...on the other hand.. whatever President Trump does ..you call him every negative and unfavorable name in the book..very telling..to say the least.
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