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 The craziest thing is that this guy played in his first Super Bowl vs the St. Louis Rams in 2002 and then 17 years (!!!) later is going to face the LA Rams in a Super Bowl. 

 So many things in our world and lives have changed over 17 years but one constant is Tom Brady playing in Super Bowls. I used to hate the guy and root against NE with a passion. But now that I’m getting up there in years, I can’t help but admire a 41 year old guy pulling it off year after year and not slowing down. Much respect GOAT, thanks for the $$$!!

 
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From stats and a history perspective Brady will be the GOAT. Truth be told, had Aaron Rodgers or an elite Payton Manning played for this team and under Bill Bellichick they probably would have the same number of titles. The true GOAT is Bellichick. Today´s game was not won by Brady. It was won by the Pats´ gameplan on the beginning of the 1st half. Finding a way to stop what many fellas called and unstoppable force, the greatest offense of all time. 

It is hard to do it, but imagine that Andy Reid wouldve been the HC of the Pats and you give Belli that team, with that talent. Chiefs wouldve won. Easily

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Alexg85:


It helps when your WR has glue on his hands dude. It helps when you don't get to the Superbowl more than 50% of the years that it okay too huh? Less chance to fail because you failed to get there. That doesn't count??? Freaking idiots lol, just can't admit it.

idiot, do you apply that same logic to michael jordan?

he played longer than 6 years but only went to 6 finals. by your logic, lebron, russell and others are GOATS and ahead of him.


 
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Quote Originally Posted by Bobbys_pregame:


postseason comebacks, Brady = 8 vs Montana = 5
Hope Brady gets a 6th ring and puts any debate to bed forever.

LEAGUE-ASSISTED SB TRIPS:

MONTANA:  0

BRADY:  AT LEAST 4-5
 
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Quote Originally Posted by gutinstinctus:

From stats and a history perspective Brady will be the GOAT. Truth be told, had Aaron Rodgers or an elite Payton Manning played for this team and under Bill Bellichick they probably would have the same number of titles. The true GOAT is Bellichick. Today´s game was not won by Brady. It was won by the Pats´ gameplan on the beginning of the 1st half. Finding a way to stop what many fellas called and unstoppable force, the greatest offense of all time. 

It is hard to do it, but imagine that Andy Reid wouldve been the HC of the Pats and you give Belli that team, with that talent. Chiefs wouldve won. Easily


Some people will just never admit it! You keep digging and digging for reasoning. Nothing Tom Brady will ever do will get you to drop it. I swear, this guy will win the next 3 Superbowls and you trolls will keep popping up with this, and that, and this....
 
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Brady gets no credit for taking nearly complete team changes throughout his 17 year career to the Superbowl over and over and over. You really give the coach more credit?
 
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Brady has been in the Top 2 more than 50% of his career years of playing football. Belichick was fired from the Browns for being terrible and did terrible with the Pats before Brady came. No credit?
 
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per SB game stats Brady vs Montana.  This is a no brainer and not in Bradys favor

Brady 29 completions 44 attempts 322 yards 98.0 QB rating 2 TDs .5 interceptions. Margin of victory .5 points 3 loses

Montana 21 completions 30 attempts 286 yards 127.8 QB rating 3 TDs 0 interceptions Margin of victory 19 points 0 loses

give Montana the 14 more pass attempts that Brady had and he would easily surpass the 36 yd difference.  I am not a big fan of QB rating but it is heavily in Montanas favor.  The 19 point average margin of victory is huge compared to Bradys 1/2 point.   And your proposed "GOAT" has 3 loses compared to 0 for Montana.
The numbers don't lie.  Any logical individual knows who the real "GOAT" is
 
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Posted: #34
This guy is the GOAT.  Use this logic. Instead of trying your hardest at trying to discredit Brady whichever way possible... Do the opposite. Compile a list, and be extremely thorough, at all Tom Brady has accomplished. Leave no page unturned. You sir, will be amazed.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by AFentomologist:

per SB game stats Brady vs Montana.  This is a no brainer and not in Bradys favor

Brady 29 completions 44 attempts 322 yards 98.0 QB rating 2 TDs .5 interceptions. Margin of victory .5 points 3 loses

Montana 21 completions 30 attempts 286 yards 127.8 QB rating 3 TDs 0 interceptions Margin of victory 19 points 0 loses

give Montana the 14 more pass attempts that Brady had and he would easily surpass the 36 yd difference.  I am not a big fan of QB rating but it is heavily in Montanas favor.  The 19 point average margin of victory is huge compared to Bradys 1/2 point.   And your proposed "GOAT" has 3 loses compared to 0 for Montana.
The numbers don't lie.  Any logical individual knows who the real "GOAT" is

Oh this and that and this, in this complete different era of football, with a WR that cheats with glue on his gloves, did some of this and some of that. Add it all up what happens? He did not accomplish anywhere near, at all without doubt, the achievements of Tom the GOAT Brady, whom just so happens to not even be done with his career.
 
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those are the super bowl numbers average per game.  just the facts.  also you never answered are the chargers bills jets dolphins current teams better than the bears redskins giants in the 80s?  
 
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Everybody is trying to do something different," Montana told the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. "Our offensive linemen used to spray silicone on their shirts until they got caught. Once you get caught, you get caught. Period
 
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Quote Originally Posted by AFentomologist:

those are the super bowl numbers average per game.  just the facts.  also you never answered are the chargers bills jets dolphins current teams better than the bears redskins giants in the 80s?  
I mean I don't know. People claimed Chargers to be the perfect team you tell me. We completely destroyed them. People claim the Chiefs are the best offense of all time period. We just took them out at home. I don't know sir. The Dolphins give us a hard time because 90% of the focus on their season is dead set on just beating the Patriots, and it's been working. Really this is a silly argument though. You're trying to negate 9 trips to the Super bowl in 17 years. 
 
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Your argument of there being more Super bowl caliber teams back there isn't even valid. There are a lower number of Super Bowl caliber teams right now simply because the Patriots go there so often. There are only 2 slots and the Patriots occupy one of them every other year. None of your math adds up kid let it go. I don't even need to go on I'm going to sleep. You are now a Tom Brady fan, the evidence is all laid out here you just have to process mentally and let it settle.
 
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I don't look at the cheating excuses.  patriots fans should definitely stay off that topic for sure.  I have supplied you with numbers (facts) just what actually happened on the field.  if the pats lose super bowl this year he will be 5-4 far from a great record.  Montana won his super bowls by an average of 19 points!  Brady by 1/2 a point.  Brady had to rely on kicking and a miracle interception or he may be 2-6 or 3-5 in super bowls
 
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Posted: #41
Montana failed to get to the Super Bowl many more times than Brady. You simply cannot process this mentally in your mind. There is a stubborn block. Not getting to the Super bowl, coming in 10th place or 8th or 6th is in no way better than coming in 2nd place. 

Your brain. Cannot process, this.
 
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^ Figure that out and get back to me I'll check in the morning.

Also in no way is 4 Rings better than 5, or 6, or 7.

Your brain. Cannot process. This ^. Figure it out and get back to me.
 
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Posted: #43

Quote Originally Posted by Alexg85:

Quote Originally Posted by gutinstinctus:

From stats and a history perspective Brady will be the GOAT. Truth be told, had Aaron Rodgers or an elite Payton Manning played for this team and under Bill Bellichick they probably would have the same number of titles. The true GOAT is Bellichick. Today´s game was not won by Brady. It was won by the Pats´ gameplan on the beginning of the 1st half. Finding a way to stop what many fellas called and unstoppable force, the greatest offense of all time.  It is hard to do it, but imagine that Andy Reid wouldve been the HC of the Pats and you give Belli that team, with that talent. Chiefs wouldve won. Easily
Some people will just never admit it! You keep digging and digging for reasoning. Nothing Tom Brady will ever do will get you to drop it. I swear, this guy will win the next 3 Superbowls and you trolls will keep popping up with this, and that, and this....
You didnt get me. The topic is brought today, after that win, where TB did pull an awesome 4th Q comeback. But he threw 2 picks, and one at the goal line. He is the GOAT, but he owes EVERYTHING to Belli. Without Bellichick TB would not even be in the discussion. 

 
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Posted: #44
Tom Brady will get #6 just like another GOAT, Michael Jordan!  It's something about the number 6 with the GOATS!
 
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Quote Originally Posted by WHATTAPLAY:

Quote Originally Posted by Bobbys_pregame:

postseason comebacks, Brady = 8 vs Montana = 5Hope Brady gets a 6th ring and puts any debate to bed forever.
LEAGUE-ASSISTED SB TRIPS:MONTANA:  0BRADY:  AT LEAST 4-5

Montana played QB on an all star team who all are in the HOF now...Brady had Gronk and???

Have fun playing your xbox today...nice to see your mom let you use the internet again...must have been rough for you the past little while without your keyboard

Victory Belongs to the Most Tenacious
 
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Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:

LEAGUE-ASSISTED SB TRIPS:MONTANA:  0BRADY:  AT LEAST 4-5

Montana played QB on an all star team who all are in the HOF now...Brady had Gronk and???

Have fun playing your xbox today...nice to see your mom let you use the internet again...must have been rough for you the past little while without your keyboard


Brady has had the biggest all-star in Goodell.

He has been gifted numerous Super Bowls. Cut it out. No team has received more aid than the Patriots throughout the years.
 
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Some GOAT, who could not lead his 18-0 undefeated team to the promise land against a wild-card Giants team......

For those who claim Montana had nothing but all-stars and bla bla bla

Montana also played back when the QB was fair game, and he took shots that would have paralyzed Tom Brady.

Brady plays video game football.

Montana played among men. A man's game. Nuff said.
 
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No.

Only in the people's mind who be-LIE-ve he is. I have heard from very reputable sources that Tom Brady is simply an average player, only was scripted to look like the goat.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by WHATTAPLAY:


Brady has had the biggest all-star in Goodell.

He has been gifted numerous Super Bowls. Cut it out. No team has received more aid than the Patriots throughout the years.


Funny how even the NFL players don't agree with you.

The vast majority of NFL players that are not on Brady's team believe he's great if not the greatest ever.
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NinjaNight:



Funny how even the NFL players don't agree with you.

The vast majority of NFL players that are not on Brady's team believe he's great if not the greatest ever.

dude, not one week ago, you just saw them get gifted another SB trip. Did you NOT watch the game ?

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