Quote Originally Posted by heeeeeh:
Ok first of all, Manning doesn't have 8 loses, the Colts have 8 loses in the playoffs, last time I check football is a sport that is played 11 players on each side of the ball, Manning can not play defense, nor can he control what will happen on the defensive side of the ball.
Brady won his 3 superbowls because of his defense, he has never brought his team back in the playoffs on a game winning drive while they were down, every time Brady has led his team on a game wining drive was when the game was tied and he had less pressure on him rather than when he was down. The only time I can remember Brady leading his team from being down was in the playoffs vs the Chargers a few years back. People think Brady is so clutch when that is a complete joke, he has benefited from having on of the best defenses to ever take the field. Maning has never had the benefit of that. Brady has shown his true colours of choking when his defense isn't as good, vs the Colts in the AFC Championship, Mr "Clutch" had the chance to lead his team to victory but choked and threw a pick, then again vs the Giants in the SB, he only managed to put of 14 points on the Giants while their defense did their part and held the Giants to 17, Brady choked with under a minute left. Then again against the Dolphins this year, he threw another pick to end the game. Finally, against the Ravens in the playoffs with no defense, Brady could not do shit!
Peyton finally proved all the haters who said Brady could win with no wideouts, well look what Peyton is doing with Collie and Garcon. People keep bringing up Dallas Clark who wasn't even a top 5 TE until peyton got him more involved in the offense. Clearly Wayne is a top reciever but would not be the WR he is today without Manning.
That fact that Peyton has 5 MVPS (1 SB MVP) and 1 SB ring at the age of 33 and this year has a chance to get #2 is ridiculous with the defense he has had in the past. Give Peyton the Pats defense or Steelers defense of years past and Peyton could easily have 4 SBS.
People like you tend not to watch the game insted just look at the stats after the game, yes Peyton may have not played some of his best games in the playoffs but unlike Brady or Ben there was never a defense to cover for his mistakes.
People talk about Brady's injury and of course it was serious but people also tend to forget what Manning did with his injury last year, and he didn't play any preseason games or did not go through training camp and yet he got his team to 12 wins and a MVP while playing injured for half the year.
Remember Peyton is doing this year in an year out with the lowest or one of the lowest ranked rush offenses.
This may be the most ignorant post that I have ever read in my life. The fact that I had to highlight almost the whole thing is absolutely rediculous. I don't even know where to start. But I guess I will start at the top and work my way to the bottom.
#1 - Now if you don't want to pin the losses as Manning's and as the Colts, that is fine with me. This is a team game and it does take 11 guys on each side of the ball to play it. But the Colts have 8 losses with Manning as QB, while the Pats have only 4 losses with Brady as QB. The Colts have 8 wins with Manning at the helm, the Pats have 14 with Brady. The Colts have 1 SB, the Pats have 3.
#2 - Tom Brady has never played on the same team as the 00' Ravens or the 85' Bears defenses, nor has any Pat D been ever compared to either of them. Brady has had the benefit of good defense but they are certainly not "one of the best to ever step onto the field". In fact, in the 2004 playoffs, the only game they let up less that 21 pts was against the Colts and Peyton Manning, who they held to 3 pts. Next, it baffles my mind how you can say you "watch" the games and don't think Brady is clutch. There is "less" pressure when the game is tied, come on!!!!!!!! Brady led his team to a comeback win down 13-3 going into the 4th against the Raiders in the divisional round in 2001. Then led his team down the field for the game winning field goal after the Rams had tied the game in the Superbowl. In 2003, the Pats went down 22-21 in the Superbowl to the Panthers, only to have Brady bring them down and score, and get the 2 pt conversion, only to have the Panthers comeback and tie the game at 29, to which Brady led the Pats down the field for another Vinitieri field goal.
#3 - Peyton Manning has 4 MVP's not 5 first of all, and 1 SB, now if this is a team game like you eluded to I think 3 SBs, 4 SB appearances, and 1 MVP is more impressive.
#4 - I dont watch the games, just look at the stats! I have watched Peyton choke time and time again with one of the best teams in the league! During Mannings tenure with the Colts, 5 times (2002 - 8th, 2003 - 11th, 2005 - 11th, 2007 - 3rd, 2008 - 11th) has he had a defense ranked in the top 11 in the league and not won anything.
#5 - Peyton Manning had an infected bursa sac in his knee, Tom Brady tore his acl and mcl. Manning is a pocket passer give me a break, thats not playing injured, thats called being a man.
#6 - Both the Pats and the Colts have always had middle of the road overall running attacks. But both teams throw the ball to their backs alot, difference is Manning has had much better backs. Manning has had the advantage of pass catching backs like Edge and Addai his whole carrier while Brady has Kevin Faulk and Sammy Morris.
Wow I am tired of proving you wrong, I gotta get a beer!