How can you say Aaron Rodgers is better than Philip Rivers, Donovan McNabb, and Big Ben? How is Brees any better than Philip Rivers? Although, he is having a good season last year, Brees didn't even make the playoffs last year.
Ok. Rivers did make the playoffs last season, because he is in one of the weakest divisions. He has a Hof RB and TE IMO. They went 9 and 7 and received home field advantage over the Colts.....hmmm something need to change with that rule. Brees went to the NFC Championship in 06 and he will be back this season. Oh, I forgot he is 10 and 0 this season.
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Quote Originally Posted by Reach:
How can you say Aaron Rodgers is better than Philip Rivers, Donovan McNabb, and Big Ben? How is Brees any better than Philip Rivers? Although, he is having a good season last year, Brees didn't even make the playoffs last year.
Ok. Rivers did make the playoffs last season, because he is in one of the weakest divisions. He has a Hof RB and TE IMO. They went 9 and 7 and received home field advantage over the Colts.....hmmm something need to change with that rule. Brees went to the NFC Championship in 06 and he will be back this season. Oh, I forgot he is 10 and 0 this season.
Peyton is a far superior QB to Brees and the Colts are a far superior team to the Saints. Some reasons: The colts pull out tough games against good teams like the Patriots and the Texans. The Saints pull out tough games against teams like Carolina and St. Louis.
Don't forget Miami, but I never said that Brees was better than Peyton.
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Quote Originally Posted by greaterpower:
Peyton is a far superior QB to Brees and the Colts are a far superior team to the Saints. Some reasons: The colts pull out tough games against good teams like the Patriots and the Texans. The Saints pull out tough games against teams like Carolina and St. Louis.
Don't forget Miami, but I never said that Brees was better than Peyton.
Brees is better than Warner...hmmm.... the jury is out as to whether he will make the HOF... he has a ring, and led his team to the show in the later portion of his career.... went to the SB in every season the he started every game... whether he makes the HOF or not, is in question.....Brees, as of right now, is not even a consideration by any AP, or analysts opinons...not even close...so better than Warner? that is a helluva statement to support; but I have yet to see a post of yours that is ever supported by fact, or any that would lead anyone to think you know what you are talking about.
If you would read, you can clearly see we are talking about this season, once again you just have to drop your worthless comments. Hey go join the chat cub on aol, maybe you can get some attention in there.
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Quote Originally Posted by renroh123:
Brees is better than Warner...hmmm.... the jury is out as to whether he will make the HOF... he has a ring, and led his team to the show in the later portion of his career.... went to the SB in every season the he started every game... whether he makes the HOF or not, is in question.....Brees, as of right now, is not even a consideration by any AP, or analysts opinons...not even close...so better than Warner? that is a helluva statement to support; but I have yet to see a post of yours that is ever supported by fact, or any that would lead anyone to think you know what you are talking about.
If you would read, you can clearly see we are talking about this season, once again you just have to drop your worthless comments. Hey go join the chat cub on aol, maybe you can get some attention in there.
Rivers walked into Denver and said fuck you Denver and basically owned them, he said you are my bitches and I own you guys. He was cocky and fired up and working it vs a pretty good Denver Defense--
Rivers is playing POSSESSED and is a TRUE leader- He does not have his blood family to pull strings to get him in the league like Manning and Simms.
Manning's are CHOKERS, they dont win big games, look at their careers, they both lost every big game in College, they both lost every single playoff game they have played in, except for the one title they both got-
The Eli Superbowl win appears good but the REALITY is its not good at all- Richard Seymour told ELI get ready to go HOME on that final DRIVE of the game- ELI folded like a 7 year 1 legged school girl, he wanted off the field and wanted no part of that game- So he throws a perfect pass to Ashante samuel who DROPS perhaps one of the easiest INT's ever. If I was brady or bellichek I would give Samuel a good solid beating for dropping that INT- Manning folded there, Seymour yelled at him and ELI folded again and tried to lose the game but SAMUEL fucked up-
THen he throws the miraculous terrible Duck and TYREE makes a basically one in a million CATCH--
This guy is a choker, he is slow, not athletic, not a leader, wimpy , soft, has NO ARM, cannot throw deep, cannot move in the pocket, audibles to the point where he checks into the wrong play and flat out is scared of the defenders.
Amen, thanks for saving me a lot of typing. I agree 100%.
The only reason he won a SB was because I lost $5K on NE moneyline. That catch was probably closer to 1 in 10,000,000, also I think he threw up about 3 passes including the one to AS that should've been picked off, lucky fuck.
They gave that fuck the MVP because his name is Manning.
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Quote Originally Posted by Sammy_Meatballs:
Rivers vs ELI? HMMMMMMM
Rivers walked into Denver and said fuck you Denver and basically owned them, he said you are my bitches and I own you guys. He was cocky and fired up and working it vs a pretty good Denver Defense--
Rivers is playing POSSESSED and is a TRUE leader- He does not have his blood family to pull strings to get him in the league like Manning and Simms.
Manning's are CHOKERS, they dont win big games, look at their careers, they both lost every big game in College, they both lost every single playoff game they have played in, except for the one title they both got-
The Eli Superbowl win appears good but the REALITY is its not good at all- Richard Seymour told ELI get ready to go HOME on that final DRIVE of the game- ELI folded like a 7 year 1 legged school girl, he wanted off the field and wanted no part of that game- So he throws a perfect pass to Ashante samuel who DROPS perhaps one of the easiest INT's ever. If I was brady or bellichek I would give Samuel a good solid beating for dropping that INT- Manning folded there, Seymour yelled at him and ELI folded again and tried to lose the game but SAMUEL fucked up-
THen he throws the miraculous terrible Duck and TYREE makes a basically one in a million CATCH--
This guy is a choker, he is slow, not athletic, not a leader, wimpy , soft, has NO ARM, cannot throw deep, cannot move in the pocket, audibles to the point where he checks into the wrong play and flat out is scared of the defenders.
Amen, thanks for saving me a lot of typing. I agree 100%.
The only reason he won a SB was because I lost $5K on NE moneyline. That catch was probably closer to 1 in 10,000,000, also I think he threw up about 3 passes including the one to AS that should've been picked off, lucky fuck.
They gave that fuck the MVP because his name is Manning.
Rivers walked into Denver and said fuck you Denver and basically owned them, he said you are my bitches and I own you guys. He was cocky and fired up and working it vs a pretty good Denver Defense--
Rivers is playing POSSESSED and is a TRUE leader- He does not have his blood family to pull strings to get him in the league like Manning and Simms.
Manning's are CHOKERS, they dont win big games, look at their careers, they both lost every big game in College, they both lost every single playoff game they have played in, except for the one title they both got-
The Eli Superbowl win appears good but the REALITY is its not good at all- Richard Seymour told ELI get ready to go HOME on that final DRIVE of the game- ELI folded like a 7 year 1 legged school girl, he wanted off the field and wanted no part of that game- So he throws a perfect pass to Ashante samuel who DROPS perhaps one of the easiest INT's ever. If I was brady or bellichek I would give Samuel a good solid beating for dropping that INT- Manning folded there, Seymour yelled at him and ELI folded again and tried to lose the game but SAMUEL fucked up-
THen he throws the miraculous terrible Duck and TYREE makes a basically one in a million CATCH--
This guy is a choker, he is slow, not athletic, not a leader, wimpy , soft, has NO ARM, cannot throw deep, cannot move in the pocket, audibles to the point where he checks into the wrong play and flat out is scared of the defenders.
what a clueless bastard!!!
The Mannings won super bowls but lets dismiss those. Hey Rivers won a week 11 game in Denver lets put him at the top of the class
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Quote Originally Posted by Sammy_Meatballs:
Rivers vs ELI? HMMMMMMM
Rivers walked into Denver and said fuck you Denver and basically owned them, he said you are my bitches and I own you guys. He was cocky and fired up and working it vs a pretty good Denver Defense--
Rivers is playing POSSESSED and is a TRUE leader- He does not have his blood family to pull strings to get him in the league like Manning and Simms.
Manning's are CHOKERS, they dont win big games, look at their careers, they both lost every big game in College, they both lost every single playoff game they have played in, except for the one title they both got-
The Eli Superbowl win appears good but the REALITY is its not good at all- Richard Seymour told ELI get ready to go HOME on that final DRIVE of the game- ELI folded like a 7 year 1 legged school girl, he wanted off the field and wanted no part of that game- So he throws a perfect pass to Ashante samuel who DROPS perhaps one of the easiest INT's ever. If I was brady or bellichek I would give Samuel a good solid beating for dropping that INT- Manning folded there, Seymour yelled at him and ELI folded again and tried to lose the game but SAMUEL fucked up-
THen he throws the miraculous terrible Duck and TYREE makes a basically one in a million CATCH--
This guy is a choker, he is slow, not athletic, not a leader, wimpy , soft, has NO ARM, cannot throw deep, cannot move in the pocket, audibles to the point where he checks into the wrong play and flat out is scared of the defenders.
what a clueless bastard!!!
The Mannings won super bowls but lets dismiss those. Hey Rivers won a week 11 game in Denver lets put him at the top of the class
The Mannings won super bowls but lets dismiss those. Hey Rivers won a week 11 game in Denver lets put him at the top of the class
Yeah, Peyton Manning has won one superbowl, against REX GROSSMAN. Hilarious. He's great I'll admit, but don't think he's Joe Montana or Brady. And his brother, a fuckin' joke. His qb rating was lower than Joey Harrington the year they won the sb. Look it up. Someone else used "elite". You must be joking. He's nowhere near elite.
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Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:
what a clueless bastard!!!
The Mannings won super bowls but lets dismiss those. Hey Rivers won a week 11 game in Denver lets put him at the top of the class
Yeah, Peyton Manning has won one superbowl, against REX GROSSMAN. Hilarious. He's great I'll admit, but don't think he's Joe Montana or Brady. And his brother, a fuckin' joke. His qb rating was lower than Joey Harrington the year they won the sb. Look it up. Someone else used "elite". You must be joking. He's nowhere near elite.
and if you think Eli cannot throw deep your are a complete f'n idiot
Eli isnt playing very well.. the play callling last night was terrible, nothing but outlet dump passes.
He has a few good rating games but a slew of really bad ones too, a 65 last night, a 61, 47 and 55 during this losing streak.
I saw a ton of happy feet and indecision last night which is fine with me because I cannot stand the guy, he looked like Gradkowski in the earlier game.
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Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:
and if you think Eli cannot throw deep your are a complete f'n idiot
Eli isnt playing very well.. the play callling last night was terrible, nothing but outlet dump passes.
He has a few good rating games but a slew of really bad ones too, a 65 last night, a 61, 47 and 55 during this losing streak.
I saw a ton of happy feet and indecision last night which is fine with me because I cannot stand the guy, he looked like Gradkowski in the earlier game.
GROSYeah, Peyton Manning has won one superbowl, against REX SMAN. Hilarious. He's great I'll admit, but don't think he's Joe Montana or Brady. And his brother, a fuckin' joke. His qb rating was lower than Joey Harrington the year they won the sb. Look it up. Someone else used "elite". You must be joking. He's nowhere near elite.
He won against a killer defense that year not just gross my man.
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Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:
GROSYeah, Peyton Manning has won one superbowl, against REX SMAN. Hilarious. He's great I'll admit, but don't think he's Joe Montana or Brady. And his brother, a fuckin' joke. His qb rating was lower than Joey Harrington the year they won the sb. Look it up. Someone else used "elite". You must be joking. He's nowhere near elite.
He won against a killer defense that year not just gross my man.
So if you are using the comparison of who they won against then Eli won his vs Tom Brady
QB rating is a bullshit stat but if you think its a good stat look at the all time QB rating leaders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_passer_rating_leaders Ken Obrien and Jeff George are both better than Dan Fouts and John Elway
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So if you are using the comparison of who they won against then Eli won his vs Tom Brady
QB rating is a bullshit stat but if you think its a good stat look at the all time QB rating leaders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_passer_rating_leaders Ken Obrien and Jeff George are both better than Dan Fouts and John Elway
So if you are using the comparison of who they won against then Eli won his vs Tom Brady
QB rating is a bullshit stat but if you think its a good stat look at the all time QB rating leaders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_passer_rating_leaders Ken Obrien and Jeff George are both better than Dan Fouts and John Elway
Over their entire careers that is true, but Elway didnt have a complete team until Shanny came, check out his historical QB numbers, before Shanny he was horrible, couldnt win in the playoffs etc, but get an offensive line and he is magically an easy Superbowl champ.
Fouts is the same, but they NEVER had a complete team and he was slinging it his entire career, but I actually think Fouts is BETTER than Elway..and Manning Jr.
Back to Eli..he does not look good..he doesnt look downfield at all, he is dancing and bopping, not confident in the pocket.
The Giants are swirling....
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Quote Originally Posted by NJDevils:
So if you are using the comparison of who they won against then Eli won his vs Tom Brady
QB rating is a bullshit stat but if you think its a good stat look at the all time QB rating leaders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_passer_rating_leaders Ken Obrien and Jeff George are both better than Dan Fouts and John Elway
Over their entire careers that is true, but Elway didnt have a complete team until Shanny came, check out his historical QB numbers, before Shanny he was horrible, couldnt win in the playoffs etc, but get an offensive line and he is magically an easy Superbowl champ.
Fouts is the same, but they NEVER had a complete team and he was slinging it his entire career, but I actually think Fouts is BETTER than Elway..and Manning Jr.
Back to Eli..he does not look good..he doesnt look downfield at all, he is dancing and bopping, not confident in the pocket.
I could make the same argument about Kurt Warner that you've been making about Eli with Plaxico. How many balls does Warner simply throw up to Larry Fitzgerald? What about the 5 yard passes he throws to Anquan Boldin who is the best yards after catch receiver in the league?
You should really check your stats before you post...Anquan Boldin isnt even in the top 10 yards after catch receiver in the league..over 150 yards less than the best in the league (Wes Welker)
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Quote Originally Posted by mgcfeet17:
I could make the same argument about Kurt Warner that you've been making about Eli with Plaxico. How many balls does Warner simply throw up to Larry Fitzgerald? What about the 5 yard passes he throws to Anquan Boldin who is the best yards after catch receiver in the league?
You should really check your stats before you post...Anquan Boldin isnt even in the top 10 yards after catch receiver in the league..over 150 yards less than the best in the league (Wes Welker)
Even a girl i know who is a giants fan said ELI is missing his buddy who is in PRISON refferrring to Plexico Burress--
I agree with Wallstreet and Arizona, he is not ELITE, there is nothing elite about ELI Manning.
He is likely the slowest Qb in the NFL in the pocket- He is likely one of the worst Qb's vs the BLITZ in the NFL- He is likely one of the worst at audibling, Omaha, Omaha, and letting the play clock also run down to ZERO and take penalties- He is likely one of the worst leaders in the NFl besides Jamarcus Russel in the Nfl- He is likely the luckiest QB in the NFL in years, if he did not have the horseshoe up his ass, he would be a superbowl loser who threw the game LOSING INT, which HE DID< I don't care what anyone says he FOLDED and threw that LATE INT to Samuel-
-Another key point is that the NFL defenses are so quick and expect a certain level of accuracy from NFL QB's- When they play vs ELI the reason he is so lucky is that they are in shock at how bad his throws are. THE usual ELI ducks are so bad that the defenders DROP them because they cant believe how bad his throws are-- Superbowl dropped int by Samule and earlier this season Arizona db's both missed an easy INT and tippped it 15 yards to Hakeem NICKS for a long Td- That was another case of a wounded duck which was not picked because the defense was in shock-
-I honestly don't see how any Defensive coordinator could live with himself after losing to this GUY- Arizona this year IMO showed the BLUEPRINT and they FIGUREd out that forget about ZONE< JUST BLITZ ever single play and take his run game away- He will FOLD< he is that type of guy, a weak minded WIMP- He has happy feet, is SCARED of contact-
There is a reason ELI has suffered horrendous playoff losses to CAROLINA and to the EAGLES, becasue they BLITZ and have physical defenders like DAWKINS and Peppers who own the wimp-
Eli Manning at best is an avearge backup in this league, he should not be starting on any team---
Now that ZONA showed the NFL, the RECIPE to beat this guy, I knew that DENVER would do the same, Mike NOLAN said okay little wimp here we COME and we are going to attack you, ELI is not prepared to take a HIT, look at when he rolls out, he is looking for the first spot to throw the ball on the ground.
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Even a girl i know who is a giants fan said ELI is missing his buddy who is in PRISON refferrring to Plexico Burress--
I agree with Wallstreet and Arizona, he is not ELITE, there is nothing elite about ELI Manning.
He is likely the slowest Qb in the NFL in the pocket- He is likely one of the worst Qb's vs the BLITZ in the NFL- He is likely one of the worst at audibling, Omaha, Omaha, and letting the play clock also run down to ZERO and take penalties- He is likely one of the worst leaders in the NFl besides Jamarcus Russel in the Nfl- He is likely the luckiest QB in the NFL in years, if he did not have the horseshoe up his ass, he would be a superbowl loser who threw the game LOSING INT, which HE DID< I don't care what anyone says he FOLDED and threw that LATE INT to Samuel-
-Another key point is that the NFL defenses are so quick and expect a certain level of accuracy from NFL QB's- When they play vs ELI the reason he is so lucky is that they are in shock at how bad his throws are. THE usual ELI ducks are so bad that the defenders DROP them because they cant believe how bad his throws are-- Superbowl dropped int by Samule and earlier this season Arizona db's both missed an easy INT and tippped it 15 yards to Hakeem NICKS for a long Td- That was another case of a wounded duck which was not picked because the defense was in shock-
-I honestly don't see how any Defensive coordinator could live with himself after losing to this GUY- Arizona this year IMO showed the BLUEPRINT and they FIGUREd out that forget about ZONE< JUST BLITZ ever single play and take his run game away- He will FOLD< he is that type of guy, a weak minded WIMP- He has happy feet, is SCARED of contact-
There is a reason ELI has suffered horrendous playoff losses to CAROLINA and to the EAGLES, becasue they BLITZ and have physical defenders like DAWKINS and Peppers who own the wimp-
Eli Manning at best is an avearge backup in this league, he should not be starting on any team---
Now that ZONA showed the NFL, the RECIPE to beat this guy, I knew that DENVER would do the same, Mike NOLAN said okay little wimp here we COME and we are going to attack you, ELI is not prepared to take a HIT, look at when he rolls out, he is looking for the first spot to throw the ball on the ground.
Mannings are losers, look at their losses, they both won a superbowl but both played like absolute shit in the superbowl win.
Mannings didnt win anyting, their DEFENSES on INDY and GIANTS both won their superbowls-
When you hold BRADY and the PATS offense which was best in NFL history to under 17 points, your DEFENSE won the game--
Also Peter Pan Manning didnt do shit vs the BEARS in that game either--
These guys are sure losers in the playoffs now, RIVERS can beat both of these guys, RIVERS is already 2-0 vs PEYTON and he basically says bring it PEYTON I want to fight you, and PEYTON cries and just loses to RIVERS-- RIVERS and BEN these are the real QB's, not the MANNING's, its sad but they are basically born losers who are marketed by the NFL and hyped up to the point where they are trying to say that ELI is a professional QB-- Yeah a scared little SLOW bitch running around throwing wounded ducks is a PRO QB????
Every QB in the CFL would put ELI to shame.
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Mannings are losers, look at their losses, they both won a superbowl but both played like absolute shit in the superbowl win.
Mannings didnt win anyting, their DEFENSES on INDY and GIANTS both won their superbowls-
When you hold BRADY and the PATS offense which was best in NFL history to under 17 points, your DEFENSE won the game--
Also Peter Pan Manning didnt do shit vs the BEARS in that game either--
These guys are sure losers in the playoffs now, RIVERS can beat both of these guys, RIVERS is already 2-0 vs PEYTON and he basically says bring it PEYTON I want to fight you, and PEYTON cries and just loses to RIVERS-- RIVERS and BEN these are the real QB's, not the MANNING's, its sad but they are basically born losers who are marketed by the NFL and hyped up to the point where they are trying to say that ELI is a professional QB-- Yeah a scared little SLOW bitch running around throwing wounded ducks is a PRO QB????
ANd this means what? Did you know of a gangsta in OAKLAND pretending to be a PRO QB playing for the Raiders?
HE is getting paid millions to constantly over throw receivers, forget the plays called, fumble at least twice a game, and throw a few INT's- THen he laughs on the sidelines with his ear rings and laughs because he is making millions to be a retard?
NFl pays all kinds of idiots who do nothing-
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Quote Originally Posted by boycali01:
he got paid 107 mil for 7 years.
ANd this means what? Did you know of a gangsta in OAKLAND pretending to be a PRO QB playing for the Raiders?
HE is getting paid millions to constantly over throw receivers, forget the plays called, fumble at least twice a game, and throw a few INT's- THen he laughs on the sidelines with his ear rings and laughs because he is making millions to be a retard?
Where were these comments 1 week ago when Eli went 25 for 39 for 384 yds and 111.5 passer rating. Come on. He had a horrible game but look at his numbers this year 18 TDs 10 Ints, 2684 yds and passer rating of 89.2. These are not bad numbers.
Also, Let's remember that this is a QB who has taken his team to the playoffs EVERY year since he was named the starter. How many other QBs can say that? Rivers, Big Ben - NO and NO.
He may not be in the elite group of QBs (Brady, Peyton, Brees)but he is definitely in the next tier group. Good, solid QB.
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Where were these comments 1 week ago when Eli went 25 for 39 for 384 yds and 111.5 passer rating. Come on. He had a horrible game but look at his numbers this year 18 TDs 10 Ints, 2684 yds and passer rating of 89.2. These are not bad numbers.
Also, Let's remember that this is a QB who has taken his team to the playoffs EVERY year since he was named the starter. How many other QBs can say that? Rivers, Big Ben - NO and NO.
He may not be in the elite group of QBs (Brady, Peyton, Brees)but he is definitely in the next tier group. Good, solid QB.
Seriously, you can talk shit about Eli, but when you talk shit about Peyton and make some stupid fucking comment about him winning against a worthless quarterback when that quarterback has nothing to do with defending Payton well then you just show your ignorance. Peyton will go down as one of the greatest quarterbacks in history. And if you compare him to anybody, its not Joe Montana, its Dan Marino.
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Seriously, you can talk shit about Eli, but when you talk shit about Peyton and make some stupid fucking comment about him winning against a worthless quarterback when that quarterback has nothing to do with defending Payton well then you just show your ignorance. Peyton will go down as one of the greatest quarterbacks in history. And if you compare him to anybody, its not Joe Montana, its Dan Marino.
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