MNF - Titans / Dolphins - Seahawks / Lions...

Buffer- you are a straight up clown  who provides nothing of value , EVER.

Van is a winner here and in the game of life

GL Van!

Opposite tonight..with Lions...same as last night..too ez w Ravens... Seapups due to be humbled..

Van - can you give your thoughts on Sea missing all that Defense tonight? 

Buffer - I'll bet you a $100 that Van finishes in the green by the time the reg season is done 

gl tonight van 

Your obsession with the size of an erect gorilla penis is not healthy. Is there a reason we all have to read about that if we read one of your posts ? Would you mind explaining why you always include that, because personally I find it offensive. Are you imagining a zoological or safari opportunity ? Is your concern that there might not be enough length or girth for a satisfying "sit-down" if you found the gorilla alone ? Tell us why we shouldn't all find you to be a very disturbed human. Thank you.

I'll bet you 100 dollars Buffer doesn't have 100 dollars. He has made so many stupid posts and picked so many losers, if you were his bookie you could donate a new wing to your alma mater. He's just jealous that another poster has a following on here and isn't a total degen who bets on WNBA meanwhile the only reason anyone goes into his threads is to roast him for sucking so hard all the time

@buffer

 I’ve been here a long time, don’t post much and I’ve gotta say, YOU, BAY, AND FRED have got to be the biggest joke poster there are, FACTS.  Van will be in the green come end of season, FACTS. 

You're generation can't handle any sort of sexual vulgarity, most of you grew up worshiping a mind controlling Fictional character named Jesus christ. 

As in Jesus Christ, look at VanZack's Monday night record recently.

I am one of those that firmly believe he talks above his level and hates it but going 2-5 for a bad week isn’t really all that bad! 

Just so everyone knows Vanzack is going to give himself -4.75 units since he doesn’t include vig. But in reality he is actually down -7.9 units if you go by the actual average juice of -110 used in DK, Caesars, bovada, etc. Is that not a big difference? That’s almost double the fake number that he posts. You see why people question why he doesn’t include vig now? it’s obviously to inflate his stats and to make himself look better than it actually is.

And just because he posts picks for free, does that mean he can be disingenuous?

I will continue to call this fraud out, and I know for a fact that there are many others that questions his bullshit no vig record.

@spicycurry

 At the end of each day,  van doesn’t just go and place a bet like most of us do at -110, I know it may seem annoying and not accurate, however he does this all day every day and probably and realistically gets -101 or better with his approach in the system.  You can take his picks, fade him or follow him and track your own numbers.  We’re lucky to have him on this forum period. 

@vanzack

 Always Thursday Van. It will turn around.

I watched Mia/Tenn game tonight. If I came out a coma in 10 years and we watched a football game that was Tenn/Mia. I would of said yall were lying that was the NFL. Then I switch to Sea/Det and this mediocre QB is what 16/16 or whatever high school stat in passing was. Atrocious products on the field.

I miss Drew Brees and even Big Ben days and prior. Not saying Big Ben was great but I did kind of like watching him. I also miss the old Ravens and Steelers defense days. Not sure what we are even watching since neither side can do anything complex. A very low IQ product is on the field and sidelines coaching.

Damn man, what's your problem? Are you really so jealous of the natural attention & respect vanzack gets on here that you just can't let it go? Do you really think after posting here for years & successfully so, that he cares 1 iota about looking better than he is to internet strangers?? Sounds like your own personal problem so why not just bag it. I'm sure many here are sick of your repeated mantra about VZ & his posts.

Stop harassing Buffer. He is a comedian and fairly funny. He obviously does not intend to be taken seriously and probably finds it hilarious that so many people do, think Andy Kaufman.

so let me ask you this, what’s the point of him posting a record with no vig then? Why don’t he just keep that to himself? Does that benefit the “most of us followers with -110 juice” that tail him? My point is, his fake record with no vig is VERY deceiving.

my main problem with him is how he calls out others for being disingenuous but he himself is doing the same. Like come on bro, he needs to look at himself in the mirror, he’s no better than those that he calls out.

@LVPrince

 But Andy Kaufman was actually a genius, very funny and played the part.  Buffer is classic Buffer lol. 

Well, I didn't say Buffer was a genius, but he does provide a laugh and a irreverent take on all this "SERIOUS' gambling

@spicycurry

 I get it, he does what he does.  Does he really go in others threads and call them out on their numbers?  He gives insight and a lot of knowledge to the forum, I could care less about anyone’s juice.  Winners are winners, losers are losers and play according with your situation.  I get tired of posters busting the balls of folks that we need in here, cause eventually they may go elsewhere.

@LVPrince

 Yes, he is a ball of laughter for sure. 

Fess up!  You got a man crush on Van, don'tcha? Must be so the way you keep stalking him.  

@spicycurry

Yes I pay juice in those lines as I don't know where to get his lines.  Even NO was a loser for me @ +1.  That said I realize this and still follow.  If he doesn't pay juice then that is his record.  Why would he include it of he doesn't pay it by shopping all books?

@friendofBW

I will be fair and say this, I believe Vanz will finish the season closer to his +50 or whatever unit he normally does. Heck he might even sweep the board in week #5, dude never chases, at least not with his post here on covers. Not sure what system he uses, but he talks the way he does because he have shown success. Very consistent.

But.....

No one can claim they do not pay juice with standard spreads, exchange or not, just no suckers out there stabbing themselves, with that said, I like to bet without juice, and have done pretty good doing just that, but betting without juice and plus juice will NOT have the standard lines, you or anyone can check out how I did it in the NBA and MLB, its a give and take world. You want to buy something at a certain value, and want to get it cheaper, its going to be used, or its dinted up somewhere where its make sense for the seller to mark it down a bit. FAIR MARKET, especially at the amount this dude is betting at, with he way he talks it must be 5 digit or more per game.

So.....

If the line is at a square 3. For me to bet that without paying juice or most times PLUS money, I am taking a +2 or +2.5 line, heck I am betting the ML so overall in the long run I can say I am not paying juice, but no one can say they do not pay juice playing a standard line, there just aren't enough suckers out there on the exchange or books that are going to stab themselves. NONE! 3 might seem like a unfair number since its football season, but off a number like 5, I am taking 4.5 or 4, that how the no juice plays get created.

Anyways, 2-5 isnt really that bad, while I agree the end of season number will be a boosted number, I am laughing at the comments like its week 22, and this dude is down 100 units and claims he is only down 20. He already explains what he does and why he does it, he never hid from it, so to me, let him be, and see if he is as good as he talks. Aren't we all here to make money?