@spicycurry I get it, he does what he does. Does he really go in others threads and call them out on their numbers? He gives insight and a lot of knowledge to the forum, I could care less about anyone’s juice. Winners are winners, losers are losers and play according with your situation. I get tired of posters busting the balls of folks that we need in here, cause eventually they may go elsewhere.
yes he does, I’ve seen him go in other threads and his own threads calling them out for posting spread -2.5 instead of -3, but it’s totally ok for him to post -2.75 with no vig? Lol he’s a true hypocrite! All the lines that he post are better or the same as the actual lines, so there’s no way he doesn’t pay any juice for ALL his plays.
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Quote Originally Posted by REDLINE:
@spicycurry I get it, he does what he does. Does he really go in others threads and call them out on their numbers? He gives insight and a lot of knowledge to the forum, I could care less about anyone’s juice. Winners are winners, losers are losers and play according with your situation. I get tired of posters busting the balls of folks that we need in here, cause eventually they may go elsewhere.
yes he does, I’ve seen him go in other threads and his own threads calling them out for posting spread -2.5 instead of -3, but it’s totally ok for him to post -2.75 with no vig? Lol he’s a true hypocrite! All the lines that he post are better or the same as the actual lines, so there’s no way he doesn’t pay any juice for ALL his plays.
"Everyone who posts it - if they are on the favorite they simply post -2.5, or if they are on the dog they simply post +3. I think that is disingenuous to what I try to do."
Are those not vanzack's own words? Read my other post that I bumped up on the thread when he said those words. I'm not going to go all the way back to last year just to call him out.
In that particular game that he was referring to, it was Falcons vs Chiefs and the line was Falcons +3, but vanzack gave himself Falcons +3.25 with NO VIG. Then he had the audacity to say the above. So why even have that statement when he's being disingenuous by giving himself +3.25 instead of +3? And on top of that he doesn't include vig also. Lol hypocrisy at its finest
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@wmi799
"Everyone who posts it - if they are on the favorite they simply post -2.5, or if they are on the dog they simply post +3. I think that is disingenuous to what I try to do."
Are those not vanzack's own words? Read my other post that I bumped up on the thread when he said those words. I'm not going to go all the way back to last year just to call him out.
In that particular game that he was referring to, it was Falcons vs Chiefs and the line was Falcons +3, but vanzack gave himself Falcons +3.25 with NO VIG. Then he had the audacity to say the above. So why even have that statement when he's being disingenuous by giving himself +3.25 instead of +3? And on top of that he doesn't include vig also. Lol hypocrisy at its finest
Lol can YOU not read? I said AND his own thread, which was CLEARLY what I posted. I already said I'm not going to go all the way back last year just to pull out what he said in someone else's thread. His OWN words in his own thread is proof enough that he's a total hypocrite.
Is it that hard to comprehend?
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@wmi799
Lol can YOU not read? I said AND his own thread, which was CLEARLY what I posted. I already said I'm not going to go all the way back last year just to pull out what he said in someone else's thread. His OWN words in his own thread is proof enough that he's a total hypocrite.
got out (last years) notebook.... so on 9-7 VAN went 0-5 for -880 that day ...ENDED SEASON +5460 (1X=100) (all at -110 juice) so for regular joes like me that was just fine... FWIW
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got out (last years) notebook.... so on 9-7 VAN went 0-5 for -880 that day ...ENDED SEASON +5460 (1X=100) (all at -110 juice) so for regular joes like me that was just fine... FWIW
@wmi799 Lol can YOU not read? I said AND his own thread, which was CLEARLY what I posted. I already said I'm not going to go all the way back last year just to pull out what he said in someone else's thread. His OWN words in his own thread is proof enough that he's a total hypocrite. Is it that hard to comprehend?
1. Say that I do this over and over, which makes me a hypocrite... "I’ve seen him go in other threads and his own threads calling them out for posting spread -2.5 instead of -3"
2. When asked for an example ... Can't provide one.
Your whole weird obsession w me is based on this concept. But the concept is a strawman. Who is the hypocrite?
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Quote Originally Posted by spicycurry:
@wmi799 Lol can YOU not read? I said AND his own thread, which was CLEARLY what I posted. I already said I'm not going to go all the way back last year just to pull out what he said in someone else's thread. His OWN words in his own thread is proof enough that he's a total hypocrite. Is it that hard to comprehend?
1. Say that I do this over and over, which makes me a hypocrite... "I’ve seen him go in other threads and his own threads calling them out for posting spread -2.5 instead of -3"
2. When asked for an example ... Can't provide one.
Your whole weird obsession w me is based on this concept. But the concept is a strawman. Who is the hypocrite?
got out (last years) notebook.... so on 9-7 VAN went 0-5 for -880 that day ...ENDED SEASON +5460 (1X=100) (all at -110 juice) so for regular joes like me that was just fine... FWIW
Maybe we should apply -130 juice because there is at least one book out there that charges it?
Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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Quote Originally Posted by PUSSYGALORE333:
got out (last years) notebook.... so on 9-7 VAN went 0-5 for -880 that day ...ENDED SEASON +5460 (1X=100) (all at -110 juice) so for regular joes like me that was just fine... FWIW
Maybe we should apply -130 juice because there is at least one book out there that charges it?
Quote Originally Posted by spicycurry: @wmi799 Lol can YOU not read? I said AND his own thread, which was CLEARLY what I posted. I already said I'm not going to go all the way back last year just to pull out what he said in someone else's thread. His OWN words in his own thread is proof enough that he's a total hypocrite. Is it that hard to comprehend? 1. Say that I do this over and over, which makes me a hypocrite... "I’ve seen him go in other threads and his own threads calling them out for posting spread -2.5 instead of -3" 2. When asked for an example ... Can't provide one. Your whole weird obsession w me is based on this concept. But the concept is a strawman. Who is the hypocrite?
1. Can you not read too? I said AND in your own thread and I provided a CLEAR example with what you said in quotes!
2. I did provide one, and you chose to ignore it just like you always do. Can't take accountability hahahhaha
Did you not say this? - "Everyone who posts it - if they are on the favorite they simply post -2.5, or if they are on the dog they simply post +3. I think that is disingenuous to what I try to do."
So yes, YOU are a true HYPOCRITE!
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Quote Originally Posted by spicycurry: @wmi799 Lol can YOU not read? I said AND his own thread, which was CLEARLY what I posted. I already said I'm not going to go all the way back last year just to pull out what he said in someone else's thread. His OWN words in his own thread is proof enough that he's a total hypocrite. Is it that hard to comprehend? 1. Say that I do this over and over, which makes me a hypocrite... "I’ve seen him go in other threads and his own threads calling them out for posting spread -2.5 instead of -3" 2. When asked for an example ... Can't provide one. Your whole weird obsession w me is based on this concept. But the concept is a strawman. Who is the hypocrite?
1. Can you not read too? I said AND in your own thread and I provided a CLEAR example with what you said in quotes!
2. I did provide one, and you chose to ignore it just like you always do. Can't take accountability hahahhaha
Did you not say this? - "Everyone who posts it - if they are on the favorite they simply post -2.5, or if they are on the dog they simply post +3. I think that is disingenuous to what I try to do."
Quote Originally Posted by PUSSYGALORE333: got out (last years) notebook.... so on 9-7 VAN went 0-5 for -880 that day ...ENDED SEASON +5460 (1X=100) (all at -110 juice) so for regular joes like me that was just fine... FWIW Maybe we should apply -130 juice because there is at least one book out there that charges it?
I mean that's at least more honest than your no vig record with the lines that you post. You do realize you're the only one who has a no vig record right?
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Quote Originally Posted by PUSSYGALORE333: got out (last years) notebook.... so on 9-7 VAN went 0-5 for -880 that day ...ENDED SEASON +5460 (1X=100) (all at -110 juice) so for regular joes like me that was just fine... FWIW Maybe we should apply -130 juice because there is at least one book out there that charges it?
I mean that's at least more honest than your no vig record with the lines that you post. You do realize you're the only one who has a no vig record right?
Quote Originally Posted by REDLINE: @spicycurry I get it, he does what he does. Does he really go in others threads and call them out on their numbers? He gives insight and a lot of knowledge to the forum, I could care less about anyone’s juice. Winners are winners, losers are losers and play according with your situation. I get tired of posters busting the balls of folks that we need in here, cause eventually they may go elsewhere. yes he does, I’ve seen him go in other threads and his own threads calling them out for posting spread -2.5 instead of -3, but it’s totally ok for him to post -2.75 with no vig? Lol he’s a true hypocrite! All the lines that he post are better or the same as the actual lines, so there’s no way he doesn’t pay any juice for ALL his plays.
Until you can provide examples of what you claim, the discussion with you has to end. You have made accusations, now back them up. Otherwise there is no point in going back and forth about nothing - and I wont do it anymore.
I suggest you start your own threads with your own picks and do as you please. Oh, and also get yourself on a low vig book that deals -105, or even better an exchange that has .1 cent spreads. It might change your whole perspective.
Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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Quote Originally Posted by spicycurry:
Quote Originally Posted by REDLINE: @spicycurry I get it, he does what he does. Does he really go in others threads and call them out on their numbers? He gives insight and a lot of knowledge to the forum, I could care less about anyone’s juice. Winners are winners, losers are losers and play according with your situation. I get tired of posters busting the balls of folks that we need in here, cause eventually they may go elsewhere. yes he does, I’ve seen him go in other threads and his own threads calling them out for posting spread -2.5 instead of -3, but it’s totally ok for him to post -2.75 with no vig? Lol he’s a true hypocrite! All the lines that he post are better or the same as the actual lines, so there’s no way he doesn’t pay any juice for ALL his plays.
Until you can provide examples of what you claim, the discussion with you has to end. You have made accusations, now back them up. Otherwise there is no point in going back and forth about nothing - and I wont do it anymore.
I suggest you start your own threads with your own picks and do as you please. Oh, and also get yourself on a low vig book that deals -105, or even better an exchange that has .1 cent spreads. It might change your whole perspective.
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack: Quote Originally Posted by PUSSYGALORE333: got out (last years) notebook.... so on 9-7 VAN went 0-5 for -880 that day ...ENDED SEASON +5460 (1X=100) (all at -110 juice) so for regular joes like me that was just fine... FWIW Maybe we should apply -130 juice because there is at least one book out there that charges it? I mean that's at least more honest than your no vig record with the lines that you post. You do realize you're the only one who has a no vig record right?
Can I ask you a question or a few? What is your end game with all of this? Lets say Vanzack is full of shit, what do you want from it? What do you seek?
I want to say this as someone who has followed his advice on this site and other sites way back in the day. Vanzack is the real deal and I am not here to convince you as I do not think you will be convinced. Guess what, thats ok if you choose to think he is some charlatan. But we are full circle back to the orginal questions here, what do you want out of all this?
Let me tell you one thing, there is so many deceptive pieces of garbage on this site and Vanzack just isnt one. Sure he has some ego here and there and you know why, because there were many before you doing the same things with him. Not coming at you in any way, just a man to man discussion on what are your goals here?
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Quote Originally Posted by spicycurry:
Quote Originally Posted by vanzack: Quote Originally Posted by PUSSYGALORE333: got out (last years) notebook.... so on 9-7 VAN went 0-5 for -880 that day ...ENDED SEASON +5460 (1X=100) (all at -110 juice) so for regular joes like me that was just fine... FWIW Maybe we should apply -130 juice because there is at least one book out there that charges it? I mean that's at least more honest than your no vig record with the lines that you post. You do realize you're the only one who has a no vig record right?
Can I ask you a question or a few? What is your end game with all of this? Lets say Vanzack is full of shit, what do you want from it? What do you seek?
I want to say this as someone who has followed his advice on this site and other sites way back in the day. Vanzack is the real deal and I am not here to convince you as I do not think you will be convinced. Guess what, thats ok if you choose to think he is some charlatan. But we are full circle back to the orginal questions here, what do you want out of all this?
Let me tell you one thing, there is so many deceptive pieces of garbage on this site and Vanzack just isnt one. Sure he has some ego here and there and you know why, because there were many before you doing the same things with him. Not coming at you in any way, just a man to man discussion on what are your goals here?
@spicycurry Your example is a closing line on Sunday night, for a game I posted mid-day on a Friday before. Can you be objective for a second and admit that lines move?
Yes lines move, but when both BET2WIN and I called you out for the lines you posted at the time of your posting, you specifically ask why I didn't say the Saints game. And that was because the Saints line moved to +3 already due to injury report then, but at the time of you posting your picks, Saints was only +2 and you gave yourself +2.5. So in reality you still gave yourself the better line with no juice at the time of YOUR posting. You sure didn't act like the Saints line moved, but now for the Falcons game, you're saying "Oh the line moved". Can you be objective for a second and admit that the Saints line moved to +3, but at the time of your posting there was no +3 to be found? So which is it, lines move or they don't?
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
@spicycurry Your example is a closing line on Sunday night, for a game I posted mid-day on a Friday before. Can you be objective for a second and admit that lines move?
Yes lines move, but when both BET2WIN and I called you out for the lines you posted at the time of your posting, you specifically ask why I didn't say the Saints game. And that was because the Saints line moved to +3 already due to injury report then, but at the time of you posting your picks, Saints was only +2 and you gave yourself +2.5. So in reality you still gave yourself the better line with no juice at the time of YOUR posting. You sure didn't act like the Saints line moved, but now for the Falcons game, you're saying "Oh the line moved". Can you be objective for a second and admit that the Saints line moved to +3, but at the time of your posting there was no +3 to be found? So which is it, lines move or they don't?
Quote Originally Posted by spicycurry: Quote Originally Posted by REDLINE: @spicycurry I get it, he does what he does. Does he really go in others threads and call them out on their numbers? He gives insight and a lot of knowledge to the forum, I could care less about anyone’s juice. Winners are winners, losers are losers and play according with your situation. I get tired of posters busting the balls of folks that we need in here, cause eventually they may go elsewhere. yes he does, I’ve seen him go in other threads and his own threads calling them out for posting spread -2.5 instead of -3, but it’s totally ok for him to post -2.75 with no vig? Lol he’s a true hypocrite! All the lines that he post are better or the same as the actual lines, so there’s no way he doesn’t pay any juice for ALL his plays. Until you can provide examples of what you claim, the discussion with you has to end. You have made accusations, now back them up. Otherwise there is no point in going back and forth about nothing - and I wont do it anymore. I suggest you start your own threads with your own picks and do as you please. Oh, and also get yourself on a low vig book that deals -105, or even better an exchange that has .1 cent spreads. It might change your whole perspective.
Again, I did provide an example and yet you're still ignoring it. You said this CLEARLY in your OWN thread.
Now you're denying you said this? - "Everyone who posts it - if they are on the favorite they simply post -2.5, or if they are on the dog they simply post +3. I think that is disingenuous to what I try to do."
Let me ask you again... who is this "everyone" that you're referring to?
I suggest you start answering my questions or I will continue calling you out. And yes of course some minority can get -105 on certain books, but impossible to get no vig, books need vig to have a chance to win. Again, why post a no vig record then when majority people can only get -110 juice? I thought you're posting for the "people", but instead you're just here to boast with a fake record.
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Quote Originally Posted by vanzack:
Quote Originally Posted by spicycurry: Quote Originally Posted by REDLINE: @spicycurry I get it, he does what he does. Does he really go in others threads and call them out on their numbers? He gives insight and a lot of knowledge to the forum, I could care less about anyone’s juice. Winners are winners, losers are losers and play according with your situation. I get tired of posters busting the balls of folks that we need in here, cause eventually they may go elsewhere. yes he does, I’ve seen him go in other threads and his own threads calling them out for posting spread -2.5 instead of -3, but it’s totally ok for him to post -2.75 with no vig? Lol he’s a true hypocrite! All the lines that he post are better or the same as the actual lines, so there’s no way he doesn’t pay any juice for ALL his plays. Until you can provide examples of what you claim, the discussion with you has to end. You have made accusations, now back them up. Otherwise there is no point in going back and forth about nothing - and I wont do it anymore. I suggest you start your own threads with your own picks and do as you please. Oh, and also get yourself on a low vig book that deals -105, or even better an exchange that has .1 cent spreads. It might change your whole perspective.
Again, I did provide an example and yet you're still ignoring it. You said this CLEARLY in your OWN thread.
Now you're denying you said this? - "Everyone who posts it - if they are on the favorite they simply post -2.5, or if they are on the dog they simply post +3. I think that is disingenuous to what I try to do."
Let me ask you again... who is this "everyone" that you're referring to?
I suggest you start answering my questions or I will continue calling you out. And yes of course some minority can get -105 on certain books, but impossible to get no vig, books need vig to have a chance to win. Again, why post a no vig record then when majority people can only get -110 juice? I thought you're posting for the "people", but instead you're just here to boast with a fake record.
Quote Originally Posted by spicycurry: Quote Originally Posted by vanzack: Quote Originally Posted by PUSSYGALORE333: got out (last years) notebook.... so on 9-7 VAN went 0-5 for -880 that day ...ENDED SEASON +5460 (1X=100) (all at -110 juice) so for regular joes like me that was just fine... FWIW Maybe we should apply -130 juice because there is at least one book out there that charges it? I mean that's at least more honest than your no vig record with the lines that you post. You do realize you're the only one who has a no vig record right? Can I ask you a question or a few? What is your end game with all of this? Lets say Vanzack is full of shit, what do you want from it? What do you seek? I want to say this as someone who has followed his advice on this site and other sites way back in the day. Vanzack is the real deal and I am not here to convince you as I do not think you will be convinced. Guess what, thats ok if you choose to think he is some charlatan. But we are full circle back to the orginal questions here, what do you want out of all this? Let me tell you one thing, there is so many deceptive pieces of garbage on this site and Vanzack just isnt one. Sure he has some ego here and there and you know why, because there were many before you doing the same things with him. Not coming at you in any way, just a man to man discussion on what are your goals here?
Nah you're good bro! You're right vanzack does have an ego, you can tell by the way he talks down on people acting like he's the best. Isn't that the reason why he keeps an no vig record? To make it seem like he's better than he actually is.
What I want is just for him to be fully honest with his record with average vig of -110, which is what EVERYONE can get. He can't be calling out others for posting "fake" lines when he is doing the same, or worse, with no vig. As you know, I'm not the only one who questioned him on posting with no vig. You see it in his other threads on Covers and on his Twitter all the time, but yet he still keeps it just to pad his stats.
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Quote Originally Posted by nawlins51:
Quote Originally Posted by spicycurry: Quote Originally Posted by vanzack: Quote Originally Posted by PUSSYGALORE333: got out (last years) notebook.... so on 9-7 VAN went 0-5 for -880 that day ...ENDED SEASON +5460 (1X=100) (all at -110 juice) so for regular joes like me that was just fine... FWIW Maybe we should apply -130 juice because there is at least one book out there that charges it? I mean that's at least more honest than your no vig record with the lines that you post. You do realize you're the only one who has a no vig record right? Can I ask you a question or a few? What is your end game with all of this? Lets say Vanzack is full of shit, what do you want from it? What do you seek? I want to say this as someone who has followed his advice on this site and other sites way back in the day. Vanzack is the real deal and I am not here to convince you as I do not think you will be convinced. Guess what, thats ok if you choose to think he is some charlatan. But we are full circle back to the orginal questions here, what do you want out of all this? Let me tell you one thing, there is so many deceptive pieces of garbage on this site and Vanzack just isnt one. Sure he has some ego here and there and you know why, because there were many before you doing the same things with him. Not coming at you in any way, just a man to man discussion on what are your goals here?
Nah you're good bro! You're right vanzack does have an ego, you can tell by the way he talks down on people acting like he's the best. Isn't that the reason why he keeps an no vig record? To make it seem like he's better than he actually is.
What I want is just for him to be fully honest with his record with average vig of -110, which is what EVERYONE can get. He can't be calling out others for posting "fake" lines when he is doing the same, or worse, with no vig. As you know, I'm not the only one who questioned him on posting with no vig. You see it in his other threads on Covers and on his Twitter all the time, but yet he still keeps it just to pad his stats.
You feel like he needs to show his vig but he really is getting close to plus money on his bets. I know for a fact he can get it. Do me a solid and look into 4casters as he stated he uses. Look into Low vig as he stated he uses. He hasnt mentioned Fairlay and I implore you go check out their site. Not fairplay, its fairlay. Go check these sites out. You can use crypto and the fee's are so small it is silly.
You remember Matchbook? Vanzack was the guy who introduced me personally in these very halls to what a betting exchange was. Matchbook back then was the place to bet.
We talk about ego but Vanzack uses that in exchanges to his advantage. He can dangle a 5 figure bet and someone who has money will match him on these exchanges thinking they got the better line. See when you are in these exchanges think of it like the stock market. You are thinking whatever number you are offering out there that this is the dip to buy.
Again look into these exchanges. If you can get in it can really change your game. You use a book like lowvig as last resort or as a starter if a line is just too juicy to wait. I think if Vanzack showed his true lines he was getting at plus money, I am not sure if anyone would really believe him. But I am telling you people have money out here and take the other side of his bets. Vegas makes a living doing this against super smart people and very dumb people.
Spicy i know you mean well and I am trying to show you so does Vanzack. Vanzack is legit and you seem to be a good dude also. Why dont yall squash this and lets make money and enjoy one anothers company? Time is so finite.
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@spicycurry
You feel like he needs to show his vig but he really is getting close to plus money on his bets. I know for a fact he can get it. Do me a solid and look into 4casters as he stated he uses. Look into Low vig as he stated he uses. He hasnt mentioned Fairlay and I implore you go check out their site. Not fairplay, its fairlay. Go check these sites out. You can use crypto and the fee's are so small it is silly.
You remember Matchbook? Vanzack was the guy who introduced me personally in these very halls to what a betting exchange was. Matchbook back then was the place to bet.
We talk about ego but Vanzack uses that in exchanges to his advantage. He can dangle a 5 figure bet and someone who has money will match him on these exchanges thinking they got the better line. See when you are in these exchanges think of it like the stock market. You are thinking whatever number you are offering out there that this is the dip to buy.
Again look into these exchanges. If you can get in it can really change your game. You use a book like lowvig as last resort or as a starter if a line is just too juicy to wait. I think if Vanzack showed his true lines he was getting at plus money, I am not sure if anyone would really believe him. But I am telling you people have money out here and take the other side of his bets. Vegas makes a living doing this against super smart people and very dumb people.
Spicy i know you mean well and I am trying to show you so does Vanzack. Vanzack is legit and you seem to be a good dude also. Why dont yall squash this and lets make money and enjoy one anothers company? Time is so finite.
@spicycurry You feel like he needs to show his vig but he really is getting close to plus money on his bets. I know for a fact he can get it. Do me a solid and look into 4casters as he stated he uses. Look into Low vig as he stated he uses. He hasnt mentioned Fairlay and I implore you go check out their site. Not fairplay, its fairlay. Go check these sites out. You can use crypto and the fee's are so small it is silly. You remember Matchbook? Vanzack was the guy who introduced me personally in these very halls to what a betting exchange was. Matchbook back then was the place to bet. We talk about ego but Vanzack uses that in exchanges to his advantage. He can dangle a 5 figure bet and someone who has money will match him on these exchanges thinking they got the better line. See when you are in these exchanges think of it like the stock market. You are thinking whatever number you are offering out there that this is the dip to buy. Again look into these exchanges. If you can get in it can really change your game. You use a book like lowvig as last resort or as a starter if a line is just too juicy to wait. I think if Vanzack showed his true lines he was getting at plus money, I am not sure if anyone would really believe him. But I am telling you people have money out here and take the other side of his bets. Vegas makes a living doing this against super smart people and very dumb people. Spicy i know you mean well and I am trying to show you so does Vanzack. Vanzack is legit and you seem to be a good dude also. Why dont yall squash this and lets make money and enjoy one anothers company? Time is so finite.
I appreciate the time you took to reason with me. This is actually very informative and helps me see the other side. I just have a few questions: can anyone use those sites? Like say for example, you live in a state where sports betting is not legal.
Also, what's the catch? Sometimes it just sounds too good to be true for no juice on either side, like how do these sites make money? And the last question is, can you actually withdraw and get your money and what are the fees? Books like bovada, DK, Caesars are legit and have a good track record of withdrawing but their average juice is -110, which is why I thought that was fair since EVERYONE can access -110 juice sites that pay out. Thanks again for understanding both sides, I'm all about fairness and will always question things when it looks out of the ordinary.
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Quote Originally Posted by nawlins51:
@spicycurry You feel like he needs to show his vig but he really is getting close to plus money on his bets. I know for a fact he can get it. Do me a solid and look into 4casters as he stated he uses. Look into Low vig as he stated he uses. He hasnt mentioned Fairlay and I implore you go check out their site. Not fairplay, its fairlay. Go check these sites out. You can use crypto and the fee's are so small it is silly. You remember Matchbook? Vanzack was the guy who introduced me personally in these very halls to what a betting exchange was. Matchbook back then was the place to bet. We talk about ego but Vanzack uses that in exchanges to his advantage. He can dangle a 5 figure bet and someone who has money will match him on these exchanges thinking they got the better line. See when you are in these exchanges think of it like the stock market. You are thinking whatever number you are offering out there that this is the dip to buy. Again look into these exchanges. If you can get in it can really change your game. You use a book like lowvig as last resort or as a starter if a line is just too juicy to wait. I think if Vanzack showed his true lines he was getting at plus money, I am not sure if anyone would really believe him. But I am telling you people have money out here and take the other side of his bets. Vegas makes a living doing this against super smart people and very dumb people. Spicy i know you mean well and I am trying to show you so does Vanzack. Vanzack is legit and you seem to be a good dude also. Why dont yall squash this and lets make money and enjoy one anothers company? Time is so finite.
I appreciate the time you took to reason with me. This is actually very informative and helps me see the other side. I just have a few questions: can anyone use those sites? Like say for example, you live in a state where sports betting is not legal.
Also, what's the catch? Sometimes it just sounds too good to be true for no juice on either side, like how do these sites make money? And the last question is, can you actually withdraw and get your money and what are the fees? Books like bovada, DK, Caesars are legit and have a good track record of withdrawing but their average juice is -110, which is why I thought that was fair since EVERYONE can access -110 juice sites that pay out. Thanks again for understanding both sides, I'm all about fairness and will always question things when it looks out of the ordinary.
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