I'm with ya PTB i think the problem is a lot of these posters haven't seen the Lions play. Those two huge comeback wins in the last two weeks will have given them plenty of confidence and the fact that they have a shit load of talent on both sides of the ball and like i said even more on defense when Fairley puts the pads on should make them at least a 12-4 team but time will only tell. I love watching them play they are quick and aggressive.