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They sure in the hell could not stop ronnie brown, who's to say they stop gore in this one.
 
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Daworm,
Brady and Henson went back and forth as the starter at Michigan, but Brady did lead Michigan to some big wins.  Its kind of funny because Henson was thought of as the better athlete while Brady was the smarter qb and the natural leader.  No one thought brady would become what he is, but you could definitely see shades of the things that make him great while he was in college.  A lot different than starting 0 games in college like Matt Cassell.  I think the big factor in this game is that SF has a very solid young defense, very solid d-line, lbs, and dbs with a couple of big time, big play guys (clements/willis).  Drew Brees at home can did well against them, but Matt Cassel on the road?  I just dont see it. I think SF's d/special teams should give them the field position advantage and put Gore and co. in a good spot.  I see SF winning SU in a close, low scoring game
 
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SOMETHING TO CHEW ON
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Quote Originally Posted by Daworm:

MrB, didn't brady barely play in college?  maybe im wrong, but either way i dont think the fact that someone barely played in college necessarily tells you anything about him.  maybe cassel sucks, but he had an extra two weeks of taking snaps as a first stringer going into this game.  i like their chances in this spot. so much can change from week to week, especially with the offensive and defensive lines.  thats why i am also willing to bet on the sorry ass detroit lions this week.  one of the worst defenses in history to date, but if they bring it this week, they may look like a mediocre defense (atleast for 1 game, but that's all i need).

Brady battled for the number one quarterback position with Drew Henson and ultimately started every game in the 1998 and 1999 seasons under Michigan head coach Lloyd Carr. During his first full year as starter, he set Michigan records for most pass attempts (350) and completions in a season (214).[9] Brady was All-Big Ten (honorable mention) both seasons and team captain his senior year. The Wolverines won 20 of 25 games when he started and shared the Big Ten Conference title in 1998. Brady capped that season off with a win over Arkansas in the Citrus Bowl.[10] In the 1999 season, Brady led Michigan to an overtime win in the Orange Bowl over Alabama, throwing for 369 yards and four touchdowns. He is ranked third in the University of Michigan history with 442 completions from 710 attempts.

Yup, barely played.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by arod1186:

I'm not overemphasizing the Miami game, the game that sticks out to me the most is the KC game, and even the Jets game they won. It's hard to play in 80+ Miami weather when your used to playing in MASS. Besides that Miami threw everything they could at them, I thought I was watching Ronnie Brown at Auburn not in the NFL. Direct snap runs, passes, it was something to watch, Belive me I'm not putting a ton of stock in that game, however I still like the niners.
Miami beat the Pats in Foxboro. Either way, I like your play and may be on it as well.  Good luck.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by MIB:

Brady battled for the number one quarterback position with Drew Henson and ultimately started every game in the 1998 and 1999 seasons under Michigan head coach Lloyd Carr. During his first full year as starter, he set Michigan records for most pass attempts (350) and completions in a season (214).[9] Brady was All-Big Ten (honorable mention) both seasons and team captain his senior year. The Wolverines won 20 of 25 games when he started and shared the Big Ten Conference title in 1998. Brady capped that season off with a win over Arkansas in the Citrus Bowl.[10] In the 1999 season, Brady led Michigan to an overtime win in the Orange Bowl over Alabama, throwing for 369 yards and four touchdowns. He is ranked third in the University of Michigan history with 442 completions from 710 attempts.

Yup, barely played.

not sure i'm 100% in love with your tone, MIB.

my real point was the second sentence, whether i was horribly mistaken about brady or not.  furthermore, if belichek likes the guy enough to keep him around, i will take my chances that he is serviceable.  good luck.

 
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To me this bet is appealing mainly because I think it overvalues the 49ers, who have been a bottom feeder for years now. They give up sacks like there is no tomorrow and are certain to be toward the top of the league in turnovers by the end of the year. Yes, they are improved, but by how much?
 
Pretty shocked at how many people think NE will lose to an NFC West team this week even with the bye. They may have gotten annihilated by Miami but they still did win the previous two games with Cassel and up until that game he had done pretty well stats wise. I think this week tells the story about the Pats this season and IMHO the story will be... they are not done yet.
 
...And even if they are, all they have to do is beat the lowly 9ers this weekend! You guys are basically betting that New England, without Brady but with most everyone else, only one year removed from being the best regular season team ever, has become gutter trash! Good luck! 
 
I do like the point about the lack of a deep ball threat allowing teams to jump those short routes they did so well last year. But I also like BB to adjust to that tendency and take some shots early. I also think he will have that D ready and that they will be playing for pride this weekend.
 
I think the Miami game was a fluke that spiralled out of control, not an indication of what it will now be like for NE week in and week out. I think those college plays and the Wildcat formation caught NE completely off guard and once the score reached a certain point NE just let go entirely. Now with the score 0-0 to start their minds will be back in it and they will be starving for revenge. I doubt they want anymore weeks of full pad practices like last week and they know there is only one way to avoid them...
 
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The jets have no run game, The Cheifs didn't realize they could run the ball until they started giving Johnson a chance, I think he had like 12 carries vs NE. NE is still decently stingy vs the pass but they still struggle to stop the run. Yes, Osullivan spent alot of time on his back last week, but do you think BILLY B is the only coach in the league who makes adjustments. NO weak secondary is what made the niners think they could throw all day and took them out of their running game. Martz realizes he is no longer running the greatest show on turf and I fully expect the niners to hand the ball to Gore 28 times, as a matter of fact I only have Matt Forte having a better day this sunday of all backs in the NFL. I see the niners shortening the game and converting on more of their possession than the Patriots which in my book wins football games. If you want to take a team who just lost to one of the 3 worst football teams by 30 something points go ahead, my money will be on the home dog who is going to win outright.
 
To all of you who say things like now they have incentive and shit like that you do realize these guys play for contacts right? Whether they care about the team or not (Which the pats do) they are going to try their hardest week in and week out.
 
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Correction to what I said above, the game was in NE so heat wasn't a factor I forgot the game was in NE i guess i figured if Miami blew them out it had to be in Miami, take out welkers 19 yard run and they averaged 3 yards a carry and 3 yards a pass that is simply not enough to win ball games. With no running game and no QB to get Moss the ball deep all they have is short passing routes and intermediate passing routes, teams have been all over this and jumping those routes. Alot of sharp money was burnt on the niners last week, the line opened at 6 and moved to 4 obviously alot of wiseguys were on the niners to move that line 2 points (Even if it didn't cross a key number it came from almost a td to a fg), these guys got burnt last week and probably will take a wait and see approach with the niners, Vegas knows how the public thinks "omg are pats got blown out their going to be so motivated now theres no way they can lose" dump your rose colored glasses please and come to the realization that these guys wont go .500 before you blow your bankroll on them the rest of the season. Action is going to be decidely in favor of the Pats, funny because I can't see the niners losing barring alot of turnovers or penalties.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by MrBator:

arod1186, I think you've come up with something good here.  I hope people don't overlook your play of the week, because this is a beautiful opportunity to exploit how weak the Patriots have become.  Thanks for posting that writeup.  Great contribution.
 
Matt Cassel is simply unqualified for his starting job and he's not going to get much better.  I still can't believe a quarterback who barely played at all in college is starting in the NFL.  That's unheard of.  The results are, and will continue to be, predictably poor.

 

Thanks for the complement Mr. Bator we have usually seen eye to eye and your one of the few people on this forum I respect and open their posts. We both got rocked on these same Pats in the super bowl so it's not like we are Pat haters we simply see an opportunity, I will back the Pats when its the right time, however unless the oddsmakers devalue the pats significantly more than they already have I don't think there will be many opps if any this year. I like the Bears too but I don't see why their not a bigger favorite, could you shed some light on that? Is there any games that stick out at you this week?

 
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arod,
I started a thread about this game not realizing you already had so I will post here. I agree fully with you. Had Duce not come in that game last week and did aswell as he did although not a 100 yard game but he did do enough to make the 49ers now respect the run I believe the 49ers cover in that game. As I stated in my other thread after Duce's 3rd run I told my buddy that the Saints win this game going away and Bress hits 4 50+ yard passes after that point. But until then the 49ers look to have a good game plan and really shut the Saints down in the first quarter but Duce made such a huge impact just by gaining positive yards on first down. I also think you are exactly right about the Pats last Saturday they are looking at playing the lolly Dolphins and heading into the break 3-0 and have 2 full weeks to work with their inexperienced QB to help his development going forward and their D gets totally exposed on the ground giving up 4 rushing TD's. Great thread and GL to you this weekend.. Any thoughts on the Seattle Giants game?
 
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Great discussion guys. Having said that i guess i am in the monority on this thread and love the Pats at -3. Yes this team is a shell of last year without brady, but i dont think people are giving belichick enough credit for what he does. There is NOT 1 other coach who gameplans, makes adjustments and gets the most out of his players better than Belichick. After the whooping in week 3 and a week off i think the Pats come out strong and play well against SF. Often times us bettors make too much of previous wins and losses. NE isnt as bad as they looked against MIA and vice versa. 2 weeks ago NE was way better than SF (even withouit brady) and now they are not. I dont think so. The same team that shut down the Jets in NY played in week 3.
Should be a good game but i'll take my NE -3 and sleep well this weekend as i know everytime people count out Belichick and the Pats they prove people wrong.
 
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Thanks profit, I actually like Seattle at +7.5, it's not a big play for me but I like it. The Giants have really been aided by a healthy burress who is simply too big for most corners...doubling doesnt help on burress....its not like you can put the second guy on the first guys shoulders lol. Manning simply leaves it a jump ball and buress comes down with it, theres no defending that. The giants now become a team that will rely more on the run and intermediate routes, not good news when facing a team that although not as good in the past, still has some of the best linebackers in the league. I lean Hawks + points but i will evaluate that game further....what are your thoughts?
 
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lol I agree totally. I actually like the ML in this game to be honest but I will play the points to be safe I may make a little bet on the ML on game day on the Hawks. The fact that I am even considering betting the Seattle Seahwks on the road is keeping up at night I kid you not..lol..They weathered the storm with all those injuries and now they are coming off the bye healther and although it was the Rams they still got a much needed win that prevented them from falling to 0-3 thats is huge IMO I see them rolling the rest of the way barring any crazy injuries..
 
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Quote Originally Posted by The_JB_Show:

Great discussion guys. Having said that i guess i am in the monority on this thread and love the Pats at -3. Yes this team is a shell of last year without brady, but i dont think people are giving belichick enough credit for what he does. There is NOT 1 other coach who gameplans, makes adjustments and gets the most out of his players better than Belichick. After the whooping in week 3 and a week off i think the Pats come out strong and play well against SF. Often times us bettors make too much of previous wins and losses. NE isnt as bad as they looked against MIA and vice versa. 2 weeks ago NE was way better than SF (even withouit brady) and now they are not. I dont think so. The same team that shut down the Jets in NY played in week 3.
Should be a good game but i'll take my NE -3 and sleep well this weekend as i know everytime people count out Belichick and the Pats they prove people wrong.

I agree with this line of thinking and moreso believe that even if NE has fallen off that the 9ers are not the team to take advantage. Miami was a team I looked at for the upset solely because I love Brown and thought they would be thirsty for revenge after the two mammoth ass kickings they received last year. They ran college plays and caught NE off guard all game with them. I doubt SF tries that as Mad Mike is entrenched in his own system.... one that Bill has proven he knows how to slow down.

I think Martz is a mastermind and do agree he will run the ball more, but the 9er offensive line flat out sucks and I cannot believe that the team that has so far given up an astonishing 18 sacks is going to be able to hold off NE's blitz packages. NE has not gotten many sacks this year but neither had NO before the Cards game. There are still plenty of young players on that "old and slow" D like Wilfork, the rookie Mayo who everyone loves so far, Adalius, etc.

The Pats have the Chargers and Denver coming up after this team. They know they simply have to win here to keep their playoff hopes alive (yes, at 2-1 believe it or not they are still in the hunt; this is not the BCS where strength of schedule counts for anything). I say they have the will to do it... over the lowly niners, at least.

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After this weekend I hope everyone realizes just how bad the NFC West sucks because it sure looks like the majority of this message board has missed the memo. Just because the Niners and Cards are at the top of our horrible division due to beating even worse teams does not mean they are good. They are not even average (Arizona might prove me wrong but they are still certainly not good). Expect the West teams to fold when facing even moderate competition. I think the division will be won by a team with an 8-8 record at best.

 
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*er I meant the Saints had not gotten many sacks either before the niners game, not Cards
 
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Aron, thanks for the great writeup!  And just a quick thought.  If Belichick had two weeks of preparation AND the emotional of being skunked by lowly Miami, why is the spread starting out at only 3?
 
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NE is 0-4 at SF,could it be 0-5??
 
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You people are just rediculous.  A team has one bad game and they are the Bucs of 1980 or worse.  This is the New England Patriots fresh off an embarassing loss with and extra week to prep for a 49er team which lost at home to AZ for GOD sake.  New England is the better team and NE is going to win the game.  It's all you idiots thinking the sky is falling that keep the number at 3, it should be 4.5 by now.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by bookiebusternet:

You people are just rediculous.  A team has one bad game and they are the Bucs of 1980 or worse.  This is the New England Patriots fresh off an embarassing loss with and extra week to prep for a 49er team which lost at home to AZ for GOD sake.  New England is the better team and NE is going to win the game.  It's all you idiots thinking the sky is falling that keep the number at 3, it should be 4.5 by now.

 

Reporter:  "Mr. BookieBusterNet, what are your thoughts on the San Francisco 49ers football team?"

bookiebusternet:  "Christ, they f***ing suck!  They lost at home to the Arizona Cardinals, for chrissakes!"

Reporter:  "I see.  Well then, what do you think of their opponent this week, the New England Patriots, who lost at home to the winless Miami Dolphins by 25 points?"

bookiebusternet:  "Oh, come on.  They just had one bad game!"

Reporter:  "I guess we see what we want to see."

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Bator although your dialogue was quite the humor, you can't compare the two.  The 49ers havent been much for years, 1 loss to ARIZONA they're still nothing. The PATS great coaching, great playing for years, 1 loss, they're nothing? I don't think so. PATS for me. GL.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by samuelsosa:

Bator although your dialogue was quite the humor, you can't compare the two.  The 49ers havent been much for years, 1 loss to ARIZONA they're still nothing. The PATS great coaching, great playing for years, 1 loss, they're nothing? I don't think so. PATS for me. GL.

 

I'm not saying they're "nothing", they just shouldn't be road favorites anymore this season.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by MIB:

Brady battled for the number one quarterback position with Drew Henson and ultimately started every game in the 1998 and 1999 seasons under Michigan head coach Lloyd Carr. During his first full year as starter, he set Michigan records for most pass attempts (350) and completions in a season (214).[9] Brady was All-Big Ten (honorable mention) both seasons and team captain his senior year. The Wolverines won 20 of 25 games when he started and shared the Big Ten Conference title in 1998. Brady capped that season off with a win over Arkansas in the Citrus Bowl.[10] In the 1999 season, Brady led Michigan to an overtime win in the Orange Bowl over Alabama, throwing for 369 yards and four touchdowns. He is ranked third in the University of Michigan history with 442 completions from 710 attempts.

Yup, barely played.

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great write up....will be making a small play on Niners...take a look at my write up for the seahawks...thats my play of week!
 
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Bill Belicheck and 2 weeks to prepare....

Pats will roll on SF.......gl w/ ur play either way...............

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