That Lakers series was definitely fixed.. Im willing to give up every single thing i have to prove anyone otherwise.. and its already blown up in their face... Donaghy saved many... But that is an isolated issue... We dont know how organized it is for basketball especially today but im sure it cleaned itself up... This is the reason why Lebron layed down for the warriors... A new product arises... See if you noticed when lebron doesnt want to win,, he hides in his corner... We know he could win... And guess what,, i had an all in play on the warriors in game six posted here on covers... People are tired of lebron.. they need a feel good story like S curry...
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That Lakers series was definitely fixed.. Im willing to give up every single thing i have to prove anyone otherwise.. and its already blown up in their face... Donaghy saved many... But that is an isolated issue... We dont know how organized it is for basketball especially today but im sure it cleaned itself up... This is the reason why Lebron layed down for the warriors... A new product arises... See if you noticed when lebron doesnt want to win,, he hides in his corner... We know he could win... And guess what,, i had an all in play on the warriors in game six posted here on covers... People are tired of lebron.. they need a feel good story like S curry...
Guys half these people get paid millions to take heat on national tv... They can't have the refs do everything... Sometimes players need to get involved.. Its a you help me i help you type league.. But you have to help me first... Just because you throw a few games doesnt immediately mean the public will jump on it... They are all products and not all products can sell.. Which is why you see teams like this ------------> OAK, CLE,JAX,TB... doesnt matter what they do... These teams bring in no revenue...
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Guys half these people get paid millions to take heat on national tv... They can't have the refs do everything... Sometimes players need to get involved.. Its a you help me i help you type league.. But you have to help me first... Just because you throw a few games doesnt immediately mean the public will jump on it... They are all products and not all products can sell.. Which is why you see teams like this ------------> OAK, CLE,JAX,TB... doesnt matter what they do... These teams bring in no revenue...
Honestly,, If you wanted to see a real game as real as it gets,, start with Tenn,TB,Jax,Car,Cle... Because people just dont care about these teams.. They suck for the most part and are located in the smallest type markets... And there's very little gambling money involved with these teams...
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Honestly,, If you wanted to see a real game as real as it gets,, start with Tenn,TB,Jax,Car,Cle... Because people just dont care about these teams.. They suck for the most part and are located in the smallest type markets... And there's very little gambling money involved with these teams...
XYZ please take your meds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your a little hyped up on this topic.
Secondly if you believe in scrips or conspiracies and complete fixing of games.....
You have never played the sport yourself.
Football is a game like no other. The "Best" team doesn't always win.
Emotions play a huge part of football. You need desire and passion and cannot ever underestimate your opponent. There is such a fine line between winning and losing that it often seems unfair.
I personally remember playing a High School game in which the team we needed to beat to make the playoffs had not won a game all season, and had lost the previous week 56-0.
We thought they were a joke, did not prepare or take them seriously. When I got hit harder than I had all year on the first run of the game.....I knew we were in trouble. They crushed us!!!
THATS FOOTBALL BABY!!!!!!!!
Its not fixed, its not scripted, its not a set up
Sure the lines may be set to trick you!!!!! But the game itself is not!!
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First off.
XYZ please take your meds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your a little hyped up on this topic.
Secondly if you believe in scrips or conspiracies and complete fixing of games.....
You have never played the sport yourself.
Football is a game like no other. The "Best" team doesn't always win.
Emotions play a huge part of football. You need desire and passion and cannot ever underestimate your opponent. There is such a fine line between winning and losing that it often seems unfair.
I personally remember playing a High School game in which the team we needed to beat to make the playoffs had not won a game all season, and had lost the previous week 56-0.
We thought they were a joke, did not prepare or take them seriously. When I got hit harder than I had all year on the first run of the game.....I knew we were in trouble. They crushed us!!!
THATS FOOTBALL BABY!!!!!!!!
Its not fixed, its not scripted, its not a set up
Sure the lines may be set to trick you!!!!! But the game itself is not!!
I've never met a guy who thought NFL was rigged who, when you got right down to his handicapping strategies, actually knew what he was doing.
Football, NFL especially, is such an intricate game. It's also a game where some of the most crucial positions on the field get nowhere near the hype and attention they should from the media and the viewing public.
A huge percentage of NFL bettors make decisions off yearly stats and trends that are absolutely useless in predicting games. They follow pretty trends that look useless. They bet teams who are 4-0 without doing the advanced analysis required to determine whether that team had an easy ride or is actually the real deal.
Then forums like Covers are littered with keyboard-mashing conspiracy theorists like HoldingXYZ, who talks and talks about utter nonsense like 'the public', 'sharps', the 'Vegas side'... all crap. It doesn't exist.
Those things only APPEAR to exist in the minds of people who don't have the actual experience and knowledge to know WHY they don't exist.
I'm sorry, and I'm not attacking anyone specifically (well, maybe HoldingXYZ, because he's flooded people's threads with crap like this for as long I've been reading Covers)... but... no one who genuinely bets for NFL a living was surprised or shocked by what happened with Atlanta today. If you did the homework and analyzed their performance and play vs. the specific teams they 'beat' coming into this game, you knew what was most likely to happen today.
Again, I'm not going after anyone specifically, but I'm really getting sick of yearly threads about how NFL is 'so clearly rigged' just because 90% of people don't know how to handicap it properly.
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I've never met a guy who thought NFL was rigged who, when you got right down to his handicapping strategies, actually knew what he was doing.
Football, NFL especially, is such an intricate game. It's also a game where some of the most crucial positions on the field get nowhere near the hype and attention they should from the media and the viewing public.
A huge percentage of NFL bettors make decisions off yearly stats and trends that are absolutely useless in predicting games. They follow pretty trends that look useless. They bet teams who are 4-0 without doing the advanced analysis required to determine whether that team had an easy ride or is actually the real deal.
Then forums like Covers are littered with keyboard-mashing conspiracy theorists like HoldingXYZ, who talks and talks about utter nonsense like 'the public', 'sharps', the 'Vegas side'... all crap. It doesn't exist.
Those things only APPEAR to exist in the minds of people who don't have the actual experience and knowledge to know WHY they don't exist.
I'm sorry, and I'm not attacking anyone specifically (well, maybe HoldingXYZ, because he's flooded people's threads with crap like this for as long I've been reading Covers)... but... no one who genuinely bets for NFL a living was surprised or shocked by what happened with Atlanta today. If you did the homework and analyzed their performance and play vs. the specific teams they 'beat' coming into this game, you knew what was most likely to happen today.
Again, I'm not going after anyone specifically, but I'm really getting sick of yearly threads about how NFL is 'so clearly rigged' just because 90% of people don't know how to handicap it properly.
XYZ please take your meds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your a little hyped up on this topic.
Secondly if you believe in scrips or conspiracies and complete fixing of games.....
You have never played the sport yourself.
Football is a game like no other. The "Best" team doesn't always win.
Emotions play a huge part of football. You need desire and passion and cannot ever underestimate your opponent. There is such a fine line between winning and losing that it often seems unfair.
I personally remember playing a High School game in which the team we needed to beat to make the playoffs had not won a game all season, and had lost the previous week 56-0.
We thought they were a joke, did not prepare or take them seriously. When I got hit harder than I had all year on the first run of the game.....I knew we were in trouble. They crushed us!!!
THATS FOOTBALL BABY!!!!!!!!
Its not fixed, its not scripted, its not a set up
Sure the lines may be set to trick you!!!!! But the game itself is not!!
Wow stee,, thought you were a little bit classier than that..
Anyways i think he went 0-4 this week.. Maybe its luck maybe he knows more... But didnt mean to offend your ego... Check this out
XYZ please take your meds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your a little hyped up on this topic.
Secondly if you believe in scrips or conspiracies and complete fixing of games.....
You have never played the sport yourself.
Football is a game like no other. The "Best" team doesn't always win.
Emotions play a huge part of football. You need desire and passion and cannot ever underestimate your opponent. There is such a fine line between winning and losing that it often seems unfair.
I personally remember playing a High School game in which the team we needed to beat to make the playoffs had not won a game all season, and had lost the previous week 56-0.
We thought they were a joke, did not prepare or take them seriously. When I got hit harder than I had all year on the first run of the game.....I knew we were in trouble. They crushed us!!!
THATS FOOTBALL BABY!!!!!!!!
Its not fixed, its not scripted, its not a set up
Sure the lines may be set to trick you!!!!! But the game itself is not!!
Wow stee,, thought you were a little bit classier than that..
Anyways i think he went 0-4 this week.. Maybe its luck maybe he knows more... But didnt mean to offend your ego... Check this out
One can easily assume this by saying any close call was a fix, one can easily bend and twist a story around what happens on the field to try and make sense of it for a fix, but I could do that in a pee-wee football league to, that's not evidence but one man's opinion, and we know what they say about opinion's.
Comparing the questionable things that may occur in a peewee football game to the questionable things that happen in a game filled the best of the best professionals?
Things happen because of random chance, you could flip a coin and come up heads 7 times in a row, that's not skill nor fixed, it's random chance.
Everyone who ever lived as experienced random chance, they just don't know it when it happens.
Now in the above scenario, add that before hand, someone offered you
Shaq, a 50% free throw shooter can have moments of 80 or 90 %, that's random chance. It's not fixed or skill, how could you fix a 50 % FT shooter to make 90 %.
A team converts 50 % on 3rd downs can have a game converting 80 or 85 %, and a game converting 20 or 25 %, not fixed it's random chance.
Fumbles and such are the same.
What random chances needs is more attempts and eventually given enough attempts there will be extreme moments of random chance.
You are exactly right, those are instances of random chance. But let me ask you this, using your coin flip example: What it every weekend someone planned to do 12 different sets of 10 coinflips. Before hand, a third person approaches you and offers to allow you to bet on each individual set and whether that set will produce 7 of the same side or not. All have the same odds except for 3 sets which for some reason this third party is giving you 10-1 that there WON'T be 7 of the same side. Knowing that there is an 88% chance of that occurring, you make the smart "sure" thing bet on those 3 with 10-1 odds. But what do you know, 2 out of 3 of those resulted in 7 out of 10. This happens over several weeks. He picks 3 sets and gives you better odds and every time 2 out of 3 ends up you losing. Would you believe this guy was just "really lucky" at guessing which of these sets would produce this "random" chance? or would you feel like something was amiss?
I have methods using similar principles to random chance that have won in 70's, 80's, 90's 2000' and now 2010's, if Vegas or the league are fixing games it would have to be an incredibly sophisticated fix to be fixing the same info to produce winners in every decade, tells me it's not the fix is in but random chance plays out over and over again.
And by the way I did have the Saints last night in my weekly football pool.
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Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:
One can easily assume this by saying any close call was a fix, one can easily bend and twist a story around what happens on the field to try and make sense of it for a fix, but I could do that in a pee-wee football league to, that's not evidence but one man's opinion, and we know what they say about opinion's.
Comparing the questionable things that may occur in a peewee football game to the questionable things that happen in a game filled the best of the best professionals?
Things happen because of random chance, you could flip a coin and come up heads 7 times in a row, that's not skill nor fixed, it's random chance.
Everyone who ever lived as experienced random chance, they just don't know it when it happens.
Now in the above scenario, add that before hand, someone offered you
Shaq, a 50% free throw shooter can have moments of 80 or 90 %, that's random chance. It's not fixed or skill, how could you fix a 50 % FT shooter to make 90 %.
A team converts 50 % on 3rd downs can have a game converting 80 or 85 %, and a game converting 20 or 25 %, not fixed it's random chance.
Fumbles and such are the same.
What random chances needs is more attempts and eventually given enough attempts there will be extreme moments of random chance.
You are exactly right, those are instances of random chance. But let me ask you this, using your coin flip example: What it every weekend someone planned to do 12 different sets of 10 coinflips. Before hand, a third person approaches you and offers to allow you to bet on each individual set and whether that set will produce 7 of the same side or not. All have the same odds except for 3 sets which for some reason this third party is giving you 10-1 that there WON'T be 7 of the same side. Knowing that there is an 88% chance of that occurring, you make the smart "sure" thing bet on those 3 with 10-1 odds. But what do you know, 2 out of 3 of those resulted in 7 out of 10. This happens over several weeks. He picks 3 sets and gives you better odds and every time 2 out of 3 ends up you losing. Would you believe this guy was just "really lucky" at guessing which of these sets would produce this "random" chance? or would you feel like something was amiss?
I have methods using similar principles to random chance that have won in 70's, 80's, 90's 2000' and now 2010's, if Vegas or the league are fixing games it would have to be an incredibly sophisticated fix to be fixing the same info to produce winners in every decade, tells me it's not the fix is in but random chance plays out over and over again.
And by the way I did have the Saints last night in my weekly football pool.
Football is a game like no other. The "Best" team doesn't always win.
Emotions play a huge part of football. You need desire and passion and cannot ever underestimate your opponent. There is such a fine line between winning and losing that it often seems unfair.
I personally remember playing a High School game in which the team we needed to beat to make the playoffs had not won a game all season, and had lost the previous week 56-0.
We thought they were a joke, did not prepare or take them seriously. When I got hit harder than I had all year on the first run of the game.....I knew we were in trouble. They crushed us!!!
THATS FOOTBALL BABY!!!!!!!!
Its not fixed, its not scripted, its not a set up
Sure the lines may be set to trick you!!!!! But the game itself is not!!
I don't think anyone doubts that football itself is a funny sport. Shiet happens, funny bounces occur from peewees to the pros. It's just funny that 2 out of every 3 times the oddsmakers are on the right side of these funny bounces or "random" chance events and even puts out lines before the game that entice the general public to be on the wrong side.
Again, just my opinion, I have no proof, but we are not talking about one or two instances a year of vegas lucking into a shady line hitting for them...we are talking nearly every weekend a "gift" line turns into a moose because of some stupid penalty, some brain dead PRO coach's play call, things OTHER than random chance. Random chance doesn't make the Falcons inexplicably go for it for no reason on 4th down in the first half of a one score game just as random chance doesn't account for Vegas knowing more often than not which games these "random" acts will occur.
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Quote Originally Posted by St2ee:
Football is a game like no other. The "Best" team doesn't always win.
Emotions play a huge part of football. You need desire and passion and cannot ever underestimate your opponent. There is such a fine line between winning and losing that it often seems unfair.
I personally remember playing a High School game in which the team we needed to beat to make the playoffs had not won a game all season, and had lost the previous week 56-0.
We thought they were a joke, did not prepare or take them seriously. When I got hit harder than I had all year on the first run of the game.....I knew we were in trouble. They crushed us!!!
THATS FOOTBALL BABY!!!!!!!!
Its not fixed, its not scripted, its not a set up
Sure the lines may be set to trick you!!!!! But the game itself is not!!
I don't think anyone doubts that football itself is a funny sport. Shiet happens, funny bounces occur from peewees to the pros. It's just funny that 2 out of every 3 times the oddsmakers are on the right side of these funny bounces or "random" chance events and even puts out lines before the game that entice the general public to be on the wrong side.
Again, just my opinion, I have no proof, but we are not talking about one or two instances a year of vegas lucking into a shady line hitting for them...we are talking nearly every weekend a "gift" line turns into a moose because of some stupid penalty, some brain dead PRO coach's play call, things OTHER than random chance. Random chance doesn't make the Falcons inexplicably go for it for no reason on 4th down in the first half of a one score game just as random chance doesn't account for Vegas knowing more often than not which games these "random" acts will occur.
Rigged or scripted is a strong (wrong) word. Coerced, influenced, massaged maybe? Definately not all games but more games than people would care to admit IMO. There's too much money involved to think pro sports are on the 100% up and up. In my opinion, you are naive to think the NFL is akin to amateur sports where the best team usually wins.
High school and lower level college is probably the highest level that you will find true competitions where it's all about the teams on the field/court or coaching. If the Olympics can be rigged or influenced, what makes you think a multi BILLION dollar industry that is controlled by 32 owners and the league, a handful of television stations and to some extent bookmakers (most will not agree with me here), would be on the up and up?
There is too much money at stake to let it ride on chance and allow whatever happens to happen. The current NFL and it's income is built on TV viewers. If the games went according to what should happen e.g. Atlanta should have whooped NO today, how many people would actually watch?
This is where IMO, sports betting has an underrated impact on the NFL. As bettors, if you KNEW ATL giving 3.5 is a sure thing and 99% of the time your sure things cashed, would you still watch? Probably not. If you were hitting at 80-90% you'd probably end up putting in your bets, collecting the payout and rarely watching. Why would you? There's no drama, no need to watch. If you couldn't gamble on games, I believe NFL viewership would decline tremendously. Viewers would mainly only be interested if their "team" was playing. Gambling allows anyone to have any team as "their" team on any given sunday. otherwise, the only one's watching would be limited to those in the 32 franchise cities and random folks who have some tie to the team. Even moreso if there wasn't "drama" as explained above.
Even though that's their designation, the NFL isn't a non profit. They aren't here for the sake of entertaining the masses for free. This isn't a public service. They are here to make money. Drama leads to viewers which leads to bigger revenue. You don't leave that up to chance.
I couldn't have said it better myself. I usually clip out the stuff that is not necessary when I quote but there is nothing unnecessary here.
I might add to the folks who are debating that "Too many people involved something would leak", damn straight.
You only need a handful of refs and maybe a handful of coaches on the endless payroll (after retirement) to shave and help create the drama. Not the whole league being scripted like WWF, that is ridiculous.
naesiy is 100% spot on in that if I have tomorrow's results today I'd make my bets and go out to dinner with my girl, never watching a minute of the sport.
Belichek can spy, all teams try to spy or get an edge one way or another. Does anyone think some hacker hired by the NFL can't intercept plays over the coaches headsets and "help" the other team? Use your imagination.
The pen is mightier than the pigs
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Quote Originally Posted by naesiy:
Rigged or scripted is a strong (wrong) word. Coerced, influenced, massaged maybe? Definately not all games but more games than people would care to admit IMO. There's too much money involved to think pro sports are on the 100% up and up. In my opinion, you are naive to think the NFL is akin to amateur sports where the best team usually wins.
High school and lower level college is probably the highest level that you will find true competitions where it's all about the teams on the field/court or coaching. If the Olympics can be rigged or influenced, what makes you think a multi BILLION dollar industry that is controlled by 32 owners and the league, a handful of television stations and to some extent bookmakers (most will not agree with me here), would be on the up and up?
There is too much money at stake to let it ride on chance and allow whatever happens to happen. The current NFL and it's income is built on TV viewers. If the games went according to what should happen e.g. Atlanta should have whooped NO today, how many people would actually watch?
This is where IMO, sports betting has an underrated impact on the NFL. As bettors, if you KNEW ATL giving 3.5 is a sure thing and 99% of the time your sure things cashed, would you still watch? Probably not. If you were hitting at 80-90% you'd probably end up putting in your bets, collecting the payout and rarely watching. Why would you? There's no drama, no need to watch. If you couldn't gamble on games, I believe NFL viewership would decline tremendously. Viewers would mainly only be interested if their "team" was playing. Gambling allows anyone to have any team as "their" team on any given sunday. otherwise, the only one's watching would be limited to those in the 32 franchise cities and random folks who have some tie to the team. Even moreso if there wasn't "drama" as explained above.
Even though that's their designation, the NFL isn't a non profit. They aren't here for the sake of entertaining the masses for free. This isn't a public service. They are here to make money. Drama leads to viewers which leads to bigger revenue. You don't leave that up to chance.
I couldn't have said it better myself. I usually clip out the stuff that is not necessary when I quote but there is nothing unnecessary here.
I might add to the folks who are debating that "Too many people involved something would leak", damn straight.
You only need a handful of refs and maybe a handful of coaches on the endless payroll (after retirement) to shave and help create the drama. Not the whole league being scripted like WWF, that is ridiculous.
naesiy is 100% spot on in that if I have tomorrow's results today I'd make my bets and go out to dinner with my girl, never watching a minute of the sport.
Belichek can spy, all teams try to spy or get an edge one way or another. Does anyone think some hacker hired by the NFL can't intercept plays over the coaches headsets and "help" the other team? Use your imagination.
I've never met a guy who thought NFL was rigged who, when you got right down to his handicapping strategies, actually knew what he was doing.
Football, NFL especially, is such an intricate game. It's also a game where some of the most crucial positions on the field get nowhere near the hype and attention they should from the media and the viewing public.
A huge percentage of NFL bettors make decisions off yearly stats and trends that are absolutely useless in predicting games. They follow pretty trends that look useless. They bet teams who are 4-0 without doing the advanced analysis required to determine whether that team had an easy ride or is actually the real deal.
Then forums like Covers are littered with keyboard-mashing conspiracy theorists like HoldingXYZ, who talks and talks about utter nonsense like 'the public', 'sharps', the 'Vegas side'... all crap. It doesn't exist.
Those things only APPEAR to exist in the minds of people who don't have the actual experience and knowledge to know WHY they don't exist.
I'm sorry, and I'm not attacking anyone specifically (well, maybe HoldingXYZ, because he's flooded people's threads with crap like this for as long I've been reading Covers)... but... no one who genuinely bets for NFL a living was surprised or shocked by what happened with Atlanta today. If you did the homework and analyzed their performance and play vs. the specific teams they 'beat' coming into this game, you knew what was most likely to happen today.
Again, I'm not going after anyone specifically, but I'm really getting sick of yearly threads about how NFL is 'so clearly rigged' just because 90% of people don't know how to handicap it properly.
I understand what you are saying and to some extent I agree. But the problem with this argument is that if that's the case, the "match up" handicappers would never lose unless it was a true moose. Guys like AMD wouldn't be having the bad year he is having. That guy knows a TREMENDOUS amount of football in particular matchups and weaknesses yet he is off to a horrible start. Summa is another example. He's one of the most knowledgeable out there, uses adjusted statistics and he's emphasized that he looks strictly at the matchup and doesn't buy into the "fishy" lines etc. Yet he is having a subpar season so far. Both these guys aren't getting moosed in every game resulting in a less than stellar record. So to say losers are losing because they don't have the true "knowledge" of the game and it's intricacies is false also.
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Quote Originally Posted by BetFriends:
I've never met a guy who thought NFL was rigged who, when you got right down to his handicapping strategies, actually knew what he was doing.
Football, NFL especially, is such an intricate game. It's also a game where some of the most crucial positions on the field get nowhere near the hype and attention they should from the media and the viewing public.
A huge percentage of NFL bettors make decisions off yearly stats and trends that are absolutely useless in predicting games. They follow pretty trends that look useless. They bet teams who are 4-0 without doing the advanced analysis required to determine whether that team had an easy ride or is actually the real deal.
Then forums like Covers are littered with keyboard-mashing conspiracy theorists like HoldingXYZ, who talks and talks about utter nonsense like 'the public', 'sharps', the 'Vegas side'... all crap. It doesn't exist.
Those things only APPEAR to exist in the minds of people who don't have the actual experience and knowledge to know WHY they don't exist.
I'm sorry, and I'm not attacking anyone specifically (well, maybe HoldingXYZ, because he's flooded people's threads with crap like this for as long I've been reading Covers)... but... no one who genuinely bets for NFL a living was surprised or shocked by what happened with Atlanta today. If you did the homework and analyzed their performance and play vs. the specific teams they 'beat' coming into this game, you knew what was most likely to happen today.
Again, I'm not going after anyone specifically, but I'm really getting sick of yearly threads about how NFL is 'so clearly rigged' just because 90% of people don't know how to handicap it properly.
I understand what you are saying and to some extent I agree. But the problem with this argument is that if that's the case, the "match up" handicappers would never lose unless it was a true moose. Guys like AMD wouldn't be having the bad year he is having. That guy knows a TREMENDOUS amount of football in particular matchups and weaknesses yet he is off to a horrible start. Summa is another example. He's one of the most knowledgeable out there, uses adjusted statistics and he's emphasized that he looks strictly at the matchup and doesn't buy into the "fishy" lines etc. Yet he is having a subpar season so far. Both these guys aren't getting moosed in every game resulting in a less than stellar record. So to say losers are losing because they don't have the true "knowledge" of the game and it's intricacies is false also.
Not to knock anyones knowledge about football.. But as much as anyone may know about football... The wise ones know in the back of their minds what certain line moves mean and how 1 penalty can send all of those statistics that would have back to the stone age...
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Not to knock anyones knowledge about football.. But as much as anyone may know about football... The wise ones know in the back of their minds what certain line moves mean and how 1 penalty can send all of those statistics that would have back to the stone age...
Incase you didnt notice,, the over/under pushed lol
Thanks to the 2nd late missed fieldgoal that would have put the game @ 55 -
I said in a post above that a handful of coaches and handful of refs and also I'd like to add a handful of kickers.
I believe that IF some players are involved they are only a select few and are involved via organized crime, telling a kicker to keep it under and you'll get a $100K. That's a lot of money to miss and shut up.
This way, why would the player go public about their own corruption which includes ties to the mafia? Especially after receiving so many bonuses?
If the NFL were to ask for "participation" directly with or without an NDA the player(s) at some point after his or their retirement could blow the whistle.
Now I'm not a tinfoil hat guy either - just a realist - but could the person pulling the organized crime strings not be someone tied to the league? Of course.
The pen is mightier than the pigs
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Quote Originally Posted by HoldingXYZ:
Incase you didnt notice,, the over/under pushed lol
Thanks to the 2nd late missed fieldgoal that would have put the game @ 55 -
I said in a post above that a handful of coaches and handful of refs and also I'd like to add a handful of kickers.
I believe that IF some players are involved they are only a select few and are involved via organized crime, telling a kicker to keep it under and you'll get a $100K. That's a lot of money to miss and shut up.
This way, why would the player go public about their own corruption which includes ties to the mafia? Especially after receiving so many bonuses?
If the NFL were to ask for "participation" directly with or without an NDA the player(s) at some point after his or their retirement could blow the whistle.
Now I'm not a tinfoil hat guy either - just a realist - but could the person pulling the organized crime strings not be someone tied to the league? Of course.
I couldn't have said it better myself. I usually clip out the stuff that is not necessary when I quote but there is nothing unnecessary here.
I might add to the folks who are debating that "Too many people involved something would leak", damn straight.
You only need a handful of refs and maybe a handful of coaches on the endless payroll (after retirement) to shave and help create the drama. Not the whole league being scripted like WWF, that is ridiculous.
naesiy is 100% spot on in that if I have tomorrow's results today I'd make my bets and go out to dinner with my girl, never watching a minute of the sport.
Belichek can spy, all teams try to spy or get an edge one way or another. Does anyone think some hacker hired by the NFL can't intercept plays over the coaches headsets and "help" the other team? Use your imagination.
Why thank you
Food for thought for all: It was once said "madness is like gravity: all it takes is a little push." How many of us would agree that this line of thinking also applies to the results of NFL games?
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Quote Originally Posted by barneybeans:
I couldn't have said it better myself. I usually clip out the stuff that is not necessary when I quote but there is nothing unnecessary here.
I might add to the folks who are debating that "Too many people involved something would leak", damn straight.
You only need a handful of refs and maybe a handful of coaches on the endless payroll (after retirement) to shave and help create the drama. Not the whole league being scripted like WWF, that is ridiculous.
naesiy is 100% spot on in that if I have tomorrow's results today I'd make my bets and go out to dinner with my girl, never watching a minute of the sport.
Belichek can spy, all teams try to spy or get an edge one way or another. Does anyone think some hacker hired by the NFL can't intercept plays over the coaches headsets and "help" the other team? Use your imagination.
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Food for thought for all: It was once said "madness is like gravity: all it takes is a little push." How many of us would agree that this line of thinking also applies to the results of NFL games?
Yeah i love it.. I remember there was another missed field goal.. Guess what in another saints game just recently... And it sent the game to overtime... Must have been windy in that dome.. Two missed field goals in the same dome on primetime? What are the odds right? Well well holding anything can happen in football
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Yeah i love it.. I remember there was another missed field goal.. Guess what in another saints game just recently... And it sent the game to overtime... Must have been windy in that dome.. Two missed field goals in the same dome on primetime? What are the odds right? Well well holding anything can happen in football
Some ridiculous nonsense being spouted here. 'If the games weren't fixed the favourite would win every time'? I actually feel bad for you if you think that. I guess by that logic they may as well not even play the game at all, just give the W to the team who everyone thinks is better.
Funny how you never hear winners claim it was rigged. Then it's always 'I'm so smart I picked x team, how could you pick y team they stink, etc.'
If you saw a 5-0 team play a 1-4 team (who just got blown out), and the 5-0 team is only giving 3 and you think 'wow, easy money!', then I have bad news for you: you don't know how to line read. Stop capping off of last week s games. And when the 5-0 team that was a joke last year starts to revert back to form don't blame it on the game being rigged.
The Falcons turned the ball over so much because guess what? they aren't that good. Coleman is a rookie. Rookies fumble. Their starting center was out, that led to the snap problems (also, it's extremely loud in that dome.
Falcons went 5-0 by beating the likes of Houston, Washington, Cowboys without Romo, Eagles with a new team in week 1 at home on MNF, and barely beat a Giants team at the end. Saints got blown out by Philly because Philly was super motivated by their loss in Kelly's 1st year to the Saints in the playoffs and were not gonna lose at home to them again.
There was no fix, you got sucked in by the low line and recent results and didn't consider how bad the Falcons were a year ago and that they could easily struggle vs a familiar for who used to be unbeatable at home and had their back against the wall.
Falcons were a fraud 5-0. Just because you didn't see that doesn't mean games are rigged.
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Some ridiculous nonsense being spouted here. 'If the games weren't fixed the favourite would win every time'? I actually feel bad for you if you think that. I guess by that logic they may as well not even play the game at all, just give the W to the team who everyone thinks is better.
Funny how you never hear winners claim it was rigged. Then it's always 'I'm so smart I picked x team, how could you pick y team they stink, etc.'
If you saw a 5-0 team play a 1-4 team (who just got blown out), and the 5-0 team is only giving 3 and you think 'wow, easy money!', then I have bad news for you: you don't know how to line read. Stop capping off of last week s games. And when the 5-0 team that was a joke last year starts to revert back to form don't blame it on the game being rigged.
The Falcons turned the ball over so much because guess what? they aren't that good. Coleman is a rookie. Rookies fumble. Their starting center was out, that led to the snap problems (also, it's extremely loud in that dome.
Falcons went 5-0 by beating the likes of Houston, Washington, Cowboys without Romo, Eagles with a new team in week 1 at home on MNF, and barely beat a Giants team at the end. Saints got blown out by Philly because Philly was super motivated by their loss in Kelly's 1st year to the Saints in the playoffs and were not gonna lose at home to them again.
There was no fix, you got sucked in by the low line and recent results and didn't consider how bad the Falcons were a year ago and that they could easily struggle vs a familiar for who used to be unbeatable at home and had their back against the wall.
Falcons were a fraud 5-0. Just because you didn't see that doesn't mean games are rigged.
Some ridiculous nonsense being spouted here. 'If the games weren't fixed the favourite would win every time'? I actually feel bad for you if you think that. I guess by that logic they may as well not even play the game at all, just give the W to the team who everyone thinks is better.
Who said that?
Funny how you never hear winners claim it was rigged. Then it's always 'I'm so smart I picked x team, how could you pick y team they stink, etc.'
Actually, you do hear it. Quite often in fact. There are a lot of "winners" on these forums that are on the right side of the pick and still remark at how unbelievable some of the stuff that goes on with these elite of the elite players and coaching. Sorry if that doesn't work out well in support of your argument.
If you saw a 5-0 team play a 1-4 team (who just got blown out), and the 5-0 team is only giving 3 and you think 'wow, easy money!', then I have bad news for you: you don't know how to line read. Stop capping off of last week s games. And when the 5-0 team that was a joke last year starts to revert back to form don't blame it on the game being rigged.
The Falcons turned the ball over so much because guess what? they aren't that good. Coleman is a rookie. Rookies fumble. Their starting center was out, that led to the snap problems (also, it's extremely loud in that dome.
Falcons went 5-0 by beating the likes of Houston, Washington, Cowboys without Romo, Eagles with a new team in week 1 at home on MNF, and barely beat a Giants team at the end.
vs. the almighty Saints whose resume prior to this TNF game included a win over same Cowboys but also a loss to a bad team with a rookie QB in his second game (TB) and a blow out by an Eagles team that lost to not only Atlanta but Dallas and Washington? What point are you trying to make?
Saints got blown out by Philly because Philly was super motivated by their loss in Kelly's 1st year to the Saints in the playoffs and were not gonna lose at home to them again.
Yeah, it's convenient to make up an opinion that supports the argument you are trying to make, particularly in hindsight. But ultimately, if you don't have facts to back it up, it kind of doesn't stick, no matter how you want to spin stuff.
There was no fix, you got sucked in by the low line and recent results and didn't consider how bad the Falcons were a year ago and that they could easily struggle vs a familiar for who used to be unbeatable at home and had their back against the wall.
I didn't get sucked into anything, I had NO and the under (which cashed thanks to bovoda and their famous line inflations). I have no reason to cry as I made out today.
Falcons were a fraud 5-0. Just because you didn't see that doesn't mean games are rigged.
Whether they are a "fraud" is yet to be seen. IMO, at this point there's a stronger argument that the Falcons were/are a legit 5-0 team than NO is a supremely underrated 1-5 team. And even if not, I'd think even a "fraud" 5-0 is typically much better than a LEGIT 1-4. Unless you think moral victories matter a lot in the NFL.
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Quote Originally Posted by PhillyBrown:
Some ridiculous nonsense being spouted here. 'If the games weren't fixed the favourite would win every time'? I actually feel bad for you if you think that. I guess by that logic they may as well not even play the game at all, just give the W to the team who everyone thinks is better.
Who said that?
Funny how you never hear winners claim it was rigged. Then it's always 'I'm so smart I picked x team, how could you pick y team they stink, etc.'
Actually, you do hear it. Quite often in fact. There are a lot of "winners" on these forums that are on the right side of the pick and still remark at how unbelievable some of the stuff that goes on with these elite of the elite players and coaching. Sorry if that doesn't work out well in support of your argument.
If you saw a 5-0 team play a 1-4 team (who just got blown out), and the 5-0 team is only giving 3 and you think 'wow, easy money!', then I have bad news for you: you don't know how to line read. Stop capping off of last week s games. And when the 5-0 team that was a joke last year starts to revert back to form don't blame it on the game being rigged.
The Falcons turned the ball over so much because guess what? they aren't that good. Coleman is a rookie. Rookies fumble. Their starting center was out, that led to the snap problems (also, it's extremely loud in that dome.
Falcons went 5-0 by beating the likes of Houston, Washington, Cowboys without Romo, Eagles with a new team in week 1 at home on MNF, and barely beat a Giants team at the end.
vs. the almighty Saints whose resume prior to this TNF game included a win over same Cowboys but also a loss to a bad team with a rookie QB in his second game (TB) and a blow out by an Eagles team that lost to not only Atlanta but Dallas and Washington? What point are you trying to make?
Saints got blown out by Philly because Philly was super motivated by their loss in Kelly's 1st year to the Saints in the playoffs and were not gonna lose at home to them again.
Yeah, it's convenient to make up an opinion that supports the argument you are trying to make, particularly in hindsight. But ultimately, if you don't have facts to back it up, it kind of doesn't stick, no matter how you want to spin stuff.
There was no fix, you got sucked in by the low line and recent results and didn't consider how bad the Falcons were a year ago and that they could easily struggle vs a familiar for who used to be unbeatable at home and had their back against the wall.
I didn't get sucked into anything, I had NO and the under (which cashed thanks to bovoda and their famous line inflations). I have no reason to cry as I made out today.
Falcons were a fraud 5-0. Just because you didn't see that doesn't mean games are rigged.
Whether they are a "fraud" is yet to be seen. IMO, at this point there's a stronger argument that the Falcons were/are a legit 5-0 team than NO is a supremely underrated 1-5 team. And even if not, I'd think even a "fraud" 5-0 is typically much better than a LEGIT 1-4. Unless you think moral victories matter a lot in the NFL.
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