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    NFL WEEK 1....................................Regression Methods

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    theclaw
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2018 - 12:26 PM ET #1

    Before we know it the NFL will be knocking on the door week 1.

    We'll have our regression methods which have not yet finished with a losing record week 1.

    This year we have at least 7 plays, possible more , have not looked into everything just yet.

    And we have some monster mismatches, possibly some of the largest mismatches in regression we've ever seen in week 1.

    We're talking in the 89% probability level.  WE could  have some really great spots with a very slim to almost no risk situations.

    Will have the picks as we get closer to week 1.

    First up guys, we have a play today on the final week of Arena Football season backing the best team in the Power Ratings with 3 of the 4 teams tied for no. 1 seed.

    Interesting playoff format with a 2 game series 1st round, home & home.

    Will have that over in the Arena thread.
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    Before we know it the NFL will be knocking on the door week 1.

    We'll have our regression methods which have not yet finished with a losing record week 1.

    This year we have at least 7 plays, possible more , have not looked into everything just yet.

    And we have some monster mismatches, possibly some of the largest mismatches in regression we've ever seen in week 1.

    We're talking in the 89% probability level.  WE could  have some really great spots with a very slim to almost no risk situations.

    Will have the picks as we get closer to week 1.

    First up guys, we have a play today on the final week of Arena Football season backing the best team in the Power Ratings with 3 of the 4 teams tied for no. 1 seed.

    Interesting playoff format with a 2 game series 1st round, home & home.

    Will have that over in the Arena thread.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2018 - 11:26 PM ET #2

    Good luck claw. 

    I can tell you right off the bat the Eagles, Vikes and Rams will all regress a bit this year . Bol this upcoming season
    Sip on that plus money honey!
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    Good luck claw. 

    I can tell you right off the bat the Eagles, Vikes and Rams will all regress a bit this year . Bol this upcoming season
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2018 - 9:58 AM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Digitalkarma:

    Good luck claw. 

    I can tell you right off the bat the Eagles, Vikes and Rams will all regress a bit this year . Bol this upcoming season

    Yes likely regress a bit, in one area they do show regression but in other areas like expected wins they don't.

    I'll need to check the history of the different areas.

    Buffalo finished the worst team in expected wins -2.6, in other words they should of won 2.6 games less then they actually won, they are not as good as their record suggests.

    And they lost their starting QB, unless Allen steps in and is a very good QB which I suppose is possible  this team looks to be going way down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digitalkarma:

    Good luck claw. 

    I can tell you right off the bat the Eagles, Vikes and Rams will all regress a bit this year . Bol this upcoming season

    Yes likely regress a bit, in one area they do show regression but in other areas like expected wins they don't.

    I'll need to check the history of the different areas.

    Buffalo finished the worst team in expected wins -2.6, in other words they should of won 2.6 games less then they actually won, they are not as good as their record suggests.

    And they lost their starting QB, unless Allen steps in and is a very good QB which I suppose is possible  this team looks to be going way down.
     
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    We rolled to the fairly easy win yesterday in Arena football final regular season game as our team won by double digits, up big at halftime  over the 2-time defending champs and grabbed the no. 1 seed.


    Speaking of defending champs, there is a new kid in town in the WNBA and I'll have all that in the WNBA threads coming sometime in a week or so, hopefully.

    Could bring us some great value on futures.
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    We rolled to the fairly easy win yesterday in Arena football final regular season game as our team won by double digits, up big at halftime  over the 2-time defending champs and grabbed the no. 1 seed.


    Speaking of defending champs, there is a new kid in town in the WNBA and I'll have all that in the WNBA threads coming sometime in a week or so, hopefully.

    Could bring us some great value on futures.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2018 - 4:51 PM ET #5

    Good stuff, I will be watching lol

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    Good stuff, I will be watching lol

     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2018 - 5:00 PM ET #6

    Bills should suck this year. Wonder if you like TB as much as I do since we look at a lot of the same things.

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    Bills should suck this year. Wonder if you like TB as much as I do since we look at a lot of the same things.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2018 - 7:52 PM ET #7

    I appreciate all your time and effort.

    Best of luck this season.
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    I appreciate all your time and effort.

    Best of luck this season.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 8, 2018 - 10:02 PM ET #8

    Oh yeah. Bills most definitely! I forgot about them. Cant believe they made the playoffs. Didnt make the most of their time there after a long drought. Shame. 
    Sip on that plus money honey!
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    Oh yeah. Bills most definitely! I forgot about them. Cant believe they made the playoffs. Didnt make the most of their time there after a long drought. Shame. 
     
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    I like the Vikings to regress. Remember their offense before Shurmur stepped in? I do! 

    As for the Eagles, I have criticized Pederson in the past, but their defense is just filthy nasty. They could regress some and still make the playoffs and be dangerous.

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    I like the Vikings to regress. Remember their offense before Shurmur stepped in? I do! 

    As for the Eagles, I have criticized Pederson in the past, but their defense is just filthy nasty. They could regress some and still make the playoffs and be dangerous.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    I like the Vikings to regress. Remember their offense before Shurmur stepped in? I do! 

    As for the Eagles, I have criticized Pederson in the past, but their defense is just filthy nasty. They could regress some and still make the playoffs and be dangerous.


    While Shurmur was a great playcaller, the main thing was the offensive line which got a lot better with the rookie Eflien, Rieff, and Remmers. 3 huge additions. Also we replaced Shurmur with John DelFippo, eagles QB coach who is probably going to be a one and done coordinator and get a head coaching job like Shurmur. Theres lots of talent on the offensive side with Diggs, Thielen, Rudolph, a healthy Cook and Murray, then you add Kirk who is miles ahead of Case it should only get better. No need to even mention the defense who added Sheldon Richardson, scary if this team can stay healthy will be back in Conference championship hopefully at home this time. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch:

    I like the Vikings to regress. Remember their offense before Shurmur stepped in? I do! 

    As for the Eagles, I have criticized Pederson in the past, but their defense is just filthy nasty. They could regress some and still make the playoffs and be dangerous.


    While Shurmur was a great playcaller, the main thing was the offensive line which got a lot better with the rookie Eflien, Rieff, and Remmers. 3 huge additions. Also we replaced Shurmur with John DelFippo, eagles QB coach who is probably going to be a one and done coordinator and get a head coaching job like Shurmur. Theres lots of talent on the offensive side with Diggs, Thielen, Rudolph, a healthy Cook and Murray, then you add Kirk who is miles ahead of Case it should only get better. No need to even mention the defense who added Sheldon Richardson, scary if this team can stay healthy will be back in Conference championship hopefully at home this time. 
     
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    Posted: Jul. 10, 2018 - 11:37 PM ET #12

    Claw, you are one of the sharpest guys here. I can't wait to read your Week One thoughts.
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    Claw, you are one of the sharpest guys here. I can't wait to read your Week One thoughts.
     
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    Looks like many guys are primed and ready for the NFL season, best time of the year for me.

    Thanks for all the kind words and comments guys and best of luck this season.

    I think we could be in for a big year since some of our methods had off years last year and does not happen very often 2 years in a row.

    Wit that said............on to our week 1 regression picks.......... 
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    Looks like many guys are primed and ready for the NFL season, best time of the year for me.

    Thanks for all the kind words and comments guys and best of luck this season.

    I think we could be in for a big year since some of our methods had off years last year and does not happen very often 2 years in a row.

    Wit that said............on to our week 1 regression picks.......... 
     
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    We have 2 sets of picks, these picks have rarely ever finished with a losing record over many years.

    First we have our largest mismatch method, 4-2 ATS last season ,  using our 3 regression methods and we back the 2 largest mismatches in each method, gives us 6 plays or so, we can have more with ties or fewer with same team being in 2 or all 3 methods.

    Regardless we back each method which means we may have to back the same team twice or even 3 times, we stay the course with the info and collect our winnings.



    OUR 3 METHODS............Close Wins, Expected Wins, Just Wins


    CLOSE WINS..........................................2005 -2017

    a 4-7 game mismatch --- 27-22 ATS- 55.1%

    8 games or more --- 10-3 ATS - 77%

    top 2 largest mismatches --- 18-12 ATS - 60%, 2-0 ATS last year


    Browns +4.5 (-105)  12 games over Steelers --- 7.35 units to win 7 units
    Bears +7.5 8 games over Packers  --- 7.7 units

    both games fall in the highest win % area of 8 games or more



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    We have 2 sets of picks, these picks have rarely ever finished with a losing record over many years.

    First we have our largest mismatch method, 4-2 ATS last season ,  using our 3 regression methods and we back the 2 largest mismatches in each method, gives us 6 plays or so, we can have more with ties or fewer with same team being in 2 or all 3 methods.

    Regardless we back each method which means we may have to back the same team twice or even 3 times, we stay the course with the info and collect our winnings.



    OUR 3 METHODS............Close Wins, Expected Wins, Just Wins


    CLOSE WINS..........................................2005 -2017

    a 4-7 game mismatch --- 27-22 ATS- 55.1%

    8 games or more --- 10-3 ATS - 77%

    top 2 largest mismatches --- 18-12 ATS - 60%, 2-0 ATS last year


    Browns +4.5 (-105)  12 games over Steelers --- 7.35 units to win 7 units
    Bears +7.5 8 games over Packers  --- 7.7 units

    both games fall in the highest win % area of 8 games or more



     
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    EXPECTED WINS................................2005 - 2017

    2-2.8 mismatch --- 14-10 ATS- 58.3%

    2.9 or better --- 18-7ATS - 72%

    top 2 --- 19-8 ATS - 70.4%..........2-0 ATS last year


    Browns -4.5 (-105) 5.8 mismatch over Steelers --- 7.35 units
    Ravens 4 game over Bills ..........let's wait out line see if we can get -7 to win 7 units




    JUST WINS...............................2005-2017

    6 - 8.5 games --- 20-11 ATS - 64.5%
    9 games or more --- 15-2 ATS - 88.2%
    top 2 --- 21-9 ATS - 70%, but 0-2 ATS last year


    Giants +3 (-120) monster 15 games over Jags --- 8.4 units to win 7
    Raiders +4.5 another monster 13 games over Rams --- 7.7 units



    Incredible and for the very first time since at least 2005 every play falls under the highest win probability area for each method, suggesting we have a slim to even slimmer chance to end with a losing record in week 1.

    These will be my week 1 Westgate contest picks.
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    EXPECTED WINS................................2005 - 2017

    2-2.8 mismatch --- 14-10 ATS- 58.3%

    2.9 or better --- 18-7ATS - 72%

    top 2 --- 19-8 ATS - 70.4%..........2-0 ATS last year


    Browns -4.5 (-105) 5.8 mismatch over Steelers --- 7.35 units
    Ravens 4 game over Bills ..........let's wait out line see if we can get -7 to win 7 units




    JUST WINS...............................2005-2017

    6 - 8.5 games --- 20-11 ATS - 64.5%
    9 games or more --- 15-2 ATS - 88.2%
    top 2 --- 21-9 ATS - 70%, but 0-2 ATS last year


    Giants +3 (-120) monster 15 games over Jags --- 8.4 units to win 7
    Raiders +4.5 another monster 13 games over Rams --- 7.7 units



    Incredible and for the very first time since at least 2005 every play falls under the highest win probability area for each method, suggesting we have a slim to even slimmer chance to end with a losing record in week 1.

    These will be my week 1 Westgate contest picks.
     
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    The most overvalued team according to Expected Wins is Bills -2.6 and Steelers -2.5.

    The most undervalued team is Browns at +3.3, teams that fall 2.5 or more tend to regresss a high % of times and many will regress big-time by a good number of games 

    Browns adding Tyrod by itself will be a big improvement, Tyrod has preformed very well VS weaker teams, has had some monster passer ratings but seems to play poorly VS the stronger teams.

    With the Browns last place schedule he just might feast on these weaker teams.


    Steelers were only middle of the league in yards per point on offense and not all that good in any meaning passing efficiency area for the past 2 years and Big Ben is a year older.

    Maybe getting rid of offensive coordinator was the answer, maynot but this team's offense did not equal the parts 2 years running.


    Bills should be heading down bigtime without a QB unless the rookie can step in and deliver right away, doubt Peterson will get anything done. 
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    The most overvalued team according to Expected Wins is Bills -2.6 and Steelers -2.5.

    The most undervalued team is Browns at +3.3, teams that fall 2.5 or more tend to regresss a high % of times and many will regress big-time by a good number of games 

    Browns adding Tyrod by itself will be a big improvement, Tyrod has preformed very well VS weaker teams, has had some monster passer ratings but seems to play poorly VS the stronger teams.

    With the Browns last place schedule he just might feast on these weaker teams.


    Steelers were only middle of the league in yards per point on offense and not all that good in any meaning passing efficiency area for the past 2 years and Big Ben is a year older.

    Maybe getting rid of offensive coordinator was the answer, maynot but this team's offense did not equal the parts 2 years running.


    Bills should be heading down bigtime without a QB unless the rookie can step in and deliver right away, doubt Peterson will get anything done. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2018 - 11:10 AM ET #18

    I'm on the Giants and Bears for my own reasons, good to have your methods supporting the plays.

    Have a great season Claw 
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    I'm on the Giants and Bears for my own reasons, good to have your methods supporting the plays.

    Have a great season Claw 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2018 - 11:33 AM ET #19

    GL this season Claw 
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    GL this season Claw 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2018 - 12:53 PM ET #20

    On to our 2cd set of picks.

    This method takes Just Wins but does not use mismatches VS opp. Teams qualify as fades or teams to back.

    Fades ............... Jags, Rams, Vikings, Panthers
    Back ................. Giants, Raiders , Texans

    Jags and Giants along with Rams and Raiders play each other, leaves us with 5 plays. 

    Unforetunately I don't have the history of such games but seems they do very well in that spot.

    Interesting that the Cowboys almost qualify as a team to back so we almost have 3 games with teams playing each other. The Cowboys do have another huge mismatch of 9 with their opp, Panthers which has a 15-2 ATS record  , 88.2% based on our mismatch method.

    We also have 49ers who almost qualify as a fade team themselves  but just missed out, be interesting to see how these 2 teams do based on mismatches .

    But here in this method we just stay the course with the method and try and collect our winning record.


     

    This method has finish with a losing record 1 time in many years of posting the plays and that was last years 2-3 ATS.


    Giants +3 (-120) over Jags --- 6 units to win 5 units
    Raiders +4.5 over Rams ---5.5 units
    Cowboys +3 over Panthers --- 5.5 units
    Texans over Pats
    49ers over Vikings 

    We'll wait-out the lines on the last 2 games try to get 7

    We could use these 5 plays in Westgate contest but  I choose the other set based on every game being in the highest win % area.

    Hopefully that turns-out to be the best set of 5 plays.
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    On to our 2cd set of picks.

    This method takes Just Wins but does not use mismatches VS opp. Teams qualify as fades or teams to back.

    Fades ............... Jags, Rams, Vikings, Panthers
    Back ................. Giants, Raiders , Texans

    Jags and Giants along with Rams and Raiders play each other, leaves us with 5 plays. 

    Unforetunately I don't have the history of such games but seems they do very well in that spot.

    Interesting that the Cowboys almost qualify as a team to back so we almost have 3 games with teams playing each other. The Cowboys do have another huge mismatch of 9 with their opp, Panthers which has a 15-2 ATS record  , 88.2% based on our mismatch method.

    We also have 49ers who almost qualify as a fade team themselves  but just missed out, be interesting to see how these 2 teams do based on mismatches .

    But here in this method we just stay the course with the method and try and collect our winning record.


     

    This method has finish with a losing record 1 time in many years of posting the plays and that was last years 2-3 ATS.


    Giants +3 (-120) over Jags --- 6 units to win 5 units
    Raiders +4.5 over Rams ---5.5 units
    Cowboys +3 over Panthers --- 5.5 units
    Texans over Pats
    49ers over Vikings 

    We'll wait-out the lines on the last 2 games try to get 7

    We could use these 5 plays in Westgate contest but  I choose the other set based on every game being in the highest win % area.

    Hopefully that turns-out to be the best set of 5 plays.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 8, 2018 - 12:57 PM ET #21

    We could play a 3 team parlay based on the mismatch of 9 or more in Just Wins which has the best record of any area at 15-2 ATS - 88.2%

    Might just be a very good oppurtunity this early in the season.
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    We could play a 3 team parlay based on the mismatch of 9 or more in Just Wins which has the best record of any area at 15-2 ATS - 88.2%

    Might just be a very good oppurtunity this early in the season.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    We could play a 3 team parlay based on the mismatch of 9 or more in Just Wins which has the best record of any area at 15-2 ATS - 88.2%Might just be a very good oppurtunity this early in the season.

     

     

    What are the 3 teams? I see Giants Raiders and?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theclaw:

    We could play a 3 team parlay based on the mismatch of 9 or more in Just Wins which has the best record of any area at 15-2 ATS - 88.2%Might just be a very good oppurtunity this early in the season.

     

     

    What are the 3 teams? I see Giants Raiders and?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendaryOne:

     

     

    What are the 3 teams? I see Giants Raiders and?


    And Cowboys also have a 9 game mismatch over Panthers , not a top 2 mismatch because Giants and Raiders are bigger  but still a 9 game mismatch which falls in the 15-2 - 88.2% .

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegendaryOne:

     

     

    What are the 3 teams? I see Giants Raiders and?


    And Cowboys also have a 9 game mismatch over Panthers , not a top 2 mismatch because Giants and Raiders are bigger  but still a 9 game mismatch which falls in the 15-2 - 88.2% .

     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 9, 2018 - 8:23 AM ET #24

    BOL today. 
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    48ers +6.5 over Vikings --- 5.5 units
    Texans +6.5 over Pats --- 5.5 units
    Ravens -7.5 over Bills --- 7.7 units

    Son of a gun we couldn't get to 7 on any of these.
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    48ers +6.5 over Vikings --- 5.5 units
    Texans +6.5 over Pats --- 5.5 units
    Ravens -7.5 over Bills --- 7.7 units

    Son of a gun we couldn't get to 7 on any of these.
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