The question that people forget is whether you can posses the ball before 2 feet are down? I suspect its no as you need 2 feet down to have a play considered a catch. If thats the case the fact Jennings had inital possession wouldn't mean anything...its the possession of the ball when their feet hit the ground.
Common sense would say its an INT...but the question is what the rules say.... this isn't the first situation where a rule needed more clarification....aka the tuck rule.
Honestly this is a call that would have been difficult for any refs. Even though I think its an INT... the rules might force the refs into that call
Getting in here. I thought it was simultaneous. When Jennings has it, he clearly has Tate's arm too. Tate's arm is always between the ball and Jennings body. It's not just a hand. This is why Jennings can't wrestle the ball away from Tate, even when Jennings rolls backwards over Tate. Tate's right hand is on the ball before they even hit the ground.
But really, it should have been pass interference. Upstairs did the reply. That guy isn't a replacement official. He's a real guy.
Also, Packers should have taken the safety rather than punt the ball.
THIS!
I started a thread about the safety - and it got buried - but I made the case that they should take they safety too.
The question that people forget is whether you can posses the ball before 2 feet are down? I suspect its no as you need 2 feet down to have a play considered a catch. If thats the case the fact Jennings had inital possession wouldn't mean anything...its the possession of the ball when their feet hit the ground.
Common sense would say its an INT...but the question is what the rules say.... this isn't the first situation where a rule needed more clarification....aka the tuck rule.
Honestly this is a call that would have been difficult for any refs. Even though I think its an INT... the rules might force the refs into that call
Great post.
I have watched this three times in super duper slo mo frame by frame
Tate does have his hand (left on the ball)
To say this is possession though seems to be a stretch, as that hand is wrapped in Jennings chest.
For Tate to have possession with this hand, he would have to remove Jennings from the equation, there is little way to figure that he owns the ball that is cradled to the defenders chest with one arm wrapped in this mess.
If he had this much of the possession on the outside of Jennings, how would that affect your decision?
That cost me too much money on my bets and hurts even more so in that I was already counting the win....
I have to admit, I can see the argument but I simply do not believe Tates piece of the ball means he owns the ball (possession) he is touching the ball but by no means is he owning it.
When I think of these dual possession plays as a kid, we mostly both had the ball 50/50. Tate has maybe 15%, and that is generous.
Honestly, I am kind of surprised Jennings just did not rip that fucker from Tate with the amount of leather he has and that is the only thing making me think Van and the refs have a leg to stand on.
Move on boys
One view on the strike......
Let us never ever forget what the strike is about, it is about what most fights are about.......................................................................................................................
MONEY
so what is the issue?
The entire amount of salary discrepancy I read at the beginning of the strike is a few million dollars, pocket change to the owners.
So what is the deal? It is the pension. The owners want the referees to lose their pension. Why?
Well, the owners surely do not want to pay the refs pensions but I think this is just an angle to get what they really want, which is to not pay the players pensions and health. I have no facts with which to back this up but it is my conspiracy theory.
Start here and go after the players in a few years......
The backside for these players and their health care costs in twenty years with all the concussion information is scary, this may be an angle here.
Who the fuck knows.
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