Do you see any QBs that get pressured all day that are good? No
Can you imagine if Ben wasnt running and dodging for his life every play? And WHAT QUARTERBACK EVER can fend of 300 pound defensive ends and keep his head up the field and make plays.
You gotta be crazy man Ben is Definitely in the top 3 if not the best current QB.
Im so sick of all this crap, man Jay Cutler been hit/sacked the least in the NFL. I could put Tim COuch in there and he would be in top 5 with that kinda Offensive Line.
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Waxi, I think your pro scouting is BELOW AVERAGE
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Do you see any QBs that get pressured all day that are good? No
Can you imagine if Ben wasnt running and dodging for his life every play? And WHAT QUARTERBACK EVER can fend of 300 pound defensive ends and keep his head up the field and make plays.
You gotta be crazy man Ben is Definitely in the top 3 if not the best current QB.
Im so sick of all this crap, man Jay Cutler been hit/sacked the least in the NFL. I could put Tim COuch in there and he would be in top 5 with that kinda Offensive Line.
2) i had pitt at the closing line of +6 and was trying to figure out how the Steelers are dominating both sides of the ball and yet the game is close right to the end.
I like Big Bens toughness and competetitve spirit, sometimes he just holds on to the ball far too long and tries too do too much, especially when the defense is playing well.
After reading the comments in this thread im still thinking he is about a top 10 or 15 NFL QB.
So i start making a list of guys i would take ahead of him. Wow i missed the mark here by a mile. Short list too and some close calls up for question:
1) Brady 2) P. Manning 3) E. Manning 4) McNabb 5) BEN
2) i had pitt at the closing line of +6 and was trying to figure out how the Steelers are dominating both sides of the ball and yet the game is close right to the end.
I like Big Bens toughness and competetitve spirit, sometimes he just holds on to the ball far too long and tries too do too much, especially when the defense is playing well.
After reading the comments in this thread im still thinking he is about a top 10 or 15 NFL QB.
So i start making a list of guys i would take ahead of him. Wow i missed the mark here by a mile. Short list too and some close calls up for question:
1) Brady 2) P. Manning 3) E. Manning 4) McNabb 5) BEN
Your list is messed up. 1. Brady is not playing, 2. P.Manning sucks (this season), 4. McNabb is losing, 9. Hasselback sucks, and Palmer before J. Campbell? Are you out of your mind? Your list is about 3 years outdated. Update your facts.
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Quote Originally Posted by Waxi:
1) Brady 2) P. Manning 3) E. Manning 4) McNabb 5) BEN
Your list is messed up. 1. Brady is not playing, 2. P.Manning sucks (this season), 4. McNabb is losing, 9. Hasselback sucks, and Palmer before J. Campbell? Are you out of your mind? Your list is about 3 years outdated. Update your facts.
you have to have ben s an above average qb. im not a pitt fan but cmon now. by saying hes average, you put him in the same category as griese or pennington.
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you have to have ben s an above average qb. im not a pitt fan but cmon now. by saying hes average, you put him in the same category as griese or pennington.
Ben does hold on to the ball allot longer then more quarterbacks because he is bigger and stronger than most. For this reason he gets sacked more. But also for this reason he makes incredible plays where either one of his receivers or backs will get open and they make a play for 10 or more yards.
I wish there was a stat out there showing all the plays where Ben was under pressure and had to move in and out of the pocket. How many yards were lost due to the sack and how many yard gained to due to a dump off pass or what not.
I bet money he would be in the positive!
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Ben does hold on to the ball allot longer then more quarterbacks because he is bigger and stronger than most. For this reason he gets sacked more. But also for this reason he makes incredible plays where either one of his receivers or backs will get open and they make a play for 10 or more yards.
I wish there was a stat out there showing all the plays where Ben was under pressure and had to move in and out of the pocket. How many yards were lost due to the sack and how many yard gained to due to a dump off pass or what not.
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Ben is average.
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