Huge value here in my opinion on a good defensive front and overall defensive team in Dallas. Everyone and their mother believes this Saints team is unbeatable. Dont get me wrong they are a legit super bowl team and incredible offense, but lets pump the breaks a little and look at there recent inflated games. Ill start vs Minnesota and yeah youll all call me a homer because of my icon but like most vikings losses this year we turned that game over with two huge turnovers if you watched the game you know what im talking about i dont have to go back into, we held brees to 120 yards passing and outgained them 423 yards to 270. No I dont beleive Dallas offense or even defense is as good as the vikings but I could the game going like that if Dallas doesnt turn the ball over they could win this game. Anyways moving on then the saints beat the rams 45-35 at home again great game offensivley vs a terrible rams defense who had a lot of blunders and could easily won that game with 50 something points. Saints then pounded the bengals away who at the time looked like a decent team but now we see have fallen off, then they pound the depleted eagles team at home, and beat the falcons on thanksgiving again at home which couldve easily been a closer game if not for mulitple costly turnovers. The brees led offense is obv very tough to stop but there defense is mediocre at best and lives off of turnovers , which in my opinion is ore luck than anything. Im just not ready to crown this team yet and I see huge value and an upset happening this thursday. GL
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Huge value here in my opinion on a good defensive front and overall defensive team in Dallas. Everyone and their mother believes this Saints team is unbeatable. Dont get me wrong they are a legit super bowl team and incredible offense, but lets pump the breaks a little and look at there recent inflated games. Ill start vs Minnesota and yeah youll all call me a homer because of my icon but like most vikings losses this year we turned that game over with two huge turnovers if you watched the game you know what im talking about i dont have to go back into, we held brees to 120 yards passing and outgained them 423 yards to 270. No I dont beleive Dallas offense or even defense is as good as the vikings but I could the game going like that if Dallas doesnt turn the ball over they could win this game. Anyways moving on then the saints beat the rams 45-35 at home again great game offensivley vs a terrible rams defense who had a lot of blunders and could easily won that game with 50 something points. Saints then pounded the bengals away who at the time looked like a decent team but now we see have fallen off, then they pound the depleted eagles team at home, and beat the falcons on thanksgiving again at home which couldve easily been a closer game if not for mulitple costly turnovers. The brees led offense is obv very tough to stop but there defense is mediocre at best and lives off of turnovers , which in my opinion is ore luck than anything. Im just not ready to crown this team yet and I see huge value and an upset happening this thursday. GL
Dallas ML and +7 Huge value here in my opinion on a good defensive front and overall defensive team in Dallas. Everyone and their mother believes this Saints team is unbeatable. Dont get me wrong they are a legit super bowl team and incredible offense, but lets pump the breaks a little and look at there recent inflated games. Ill start vs Minnesota and yeah youll all call me a homer because of my icon but like most vikings losses this year we turned that game over with two huge turnovers if you watched the game you know what im talking about i dont have to go back into, we held brees to 120 yards passing and outgained them 423 yards to 270. No I dont beleive Dallas offense or even defense is as good as the vikings but I could the game going like that if Dallas doesnt turn the ball over they could win this game. Anyways moving on then the saints beat the rams 45-35 at home again great game offensivley vs a terrible rams defense who had a lot of blunders and could easily won that game with 50 something points. Saints then pounded the bengals away who at the time looked like a decent team but now we see have fallen off, then they pound the depleted eagles team at home, and beat the falcons on thanksgiving again at home which couldve easily been a closer game if not for mulitple costly turnovers. The brees led offense is obv very tough to stop but there defense is mediocre at best and lives off of turnovers , which in my opinion is ore luck than anything. Im just not ready to crown this team yet and I see huge value and an upset happening this thursday. GL
ok so your this weeks guy saying bet against saints. I am only going to address your lack of respect for the saints defense. First of all you fail to mention (and maybe cause it hurts your argument) that the saints have number one rush defense and the cowboys live off of elliot. The saints defense against the run is like tecmo bowl when you choose the offensive play correctly. Secondly the turnovers are not luck. You fail to recognize that the saints defense is conscious of what they are doing purposely trying to strip and deflect passes. These are the extra thoughts that count. The saints defense is coming together more and more every week. I do believe the cowboys defense is good however and this will be a challenge for the saints but they protected well against the rams d-line with Arron donald and company so yeah the thing is that the saints have not even played their best game yet. Dallas is another tune up game for the playoffs and beyond. Oh and didn't the saints sacked matt ryan 6 times too? I am not saying the saints are a lock to cover but betting against them seems foolish.
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Quote Originally Posted by BennyIcers:
Dallas ML and +7 Huge value here in my opinion on a good defensive front and overall defensive team in Dallas. Everyone and their mother believes this Saints team is unbeatable. Dont get me wrong they are a legit super bowl team and incredible offense, but lets pump the breaks a little and look at there recent inflated games. Ill start vs Minnesota and yeah youll all call me a homer because of my icon but like most vikings losses this year we turned that game over with two huge turnovers if you watched the game you know what im talking about i dont have to go back into, we held brees to 120 yards passing and outgained them 423 yards to 270. No I dont beleive Dallas offense or even defense is as good as the vikings but I could the game going like that if Dallas doesnt turn the ball over they could win this game. Anyways moving on then the saints beat the rams 45-35 at home again great game offensivley vs a terrible rams defense who had a lot of blunders and could easily won that game with 50 something points. Saints then pounded the bengals away who at the time looked like a decent team but now we see have fallen off, then they pound the depleted eagles team at home, and beat the falcons on thanksgiving again at home which couldve easily been a closer game if not for mulitple costly turnovers. The brees led offense is obv very tough to stop but there defense is mediocre at best and lives off of turnovers , which in my opinion is ore luck than anything. Im just not ready to crown this team yet and I see huge value and an upset happening this thursday. GL
ok so your this weeks guy saying bet against saints. I am only going to address your lack of respect for the saints defense. First of all you fail to mention (and maybe cause it hurts your argument) that the saints have number one rush defense and the cowboys live off of elliot. The saints defense against the run is like tecmo bowl when you choose the offensive play correctly. Secondly the turnovers are not luck. You fail to recognize that the saints defense is conscious of what they are doing purposely trying to strip and deflect passes. These are the extra thoughts that count. The saints defense is coming together more and more every week. I do believe the cowboys defense is good however and this will be a challenge for the saints but they protected well against the rams d-line with Arron donald and company so yeah the thing is that the saints have not even played their best game yet. Dallas is another tune up game for the playoffs and beyond. Oh and didn't the saints sacked matt ryan 6 times too? I am not saying the saints are a lock to cover but betting against them seems foolish.
Im on the otherside ... Just because Cowboys won 3 times in a row against so-so teams doesn't make them being able to face saints' number 1 OFF. Yes , Saints' DEF arent the best in the league but they are not the worst either. I would be careful going against Saints. They are beatable but NOT by cowboys... Im on Saints -7 , BOL !!!
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Im on the otherside ... Just because Cowboys won 3 times in a row against so-so teams doesn't make them being able to face saints' number 1 OFF. Yes , Saints' DEF arent the best in the league but they are not the worst either. I would be careful going against Saints. They are beatable but NOT by cowboys... Im on Saints -7 , BOL !!!
The Saints are better than the Titans and the Titans rolled Dalas in Dalas on a Monday night. I can't believe the Saints are only 7pt dogs. I'd mortgage the house and move that line to -6.5 and go saints all day long!
but Dallas backers will say , that's 'Before' the winning streak therefore, it doesnt count. Another argument is that Dallas has been improving since but how can you say they have improved when you won against so-so teams by 1 TD or less?
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Quote Originally Posted by VigPro:
The Saints are better than the Titans and the Titans rolled Dalas in Dalas on a Monday night. I can't believe the Saints are only 7pt dogs. I'd mortgage the house and move that line to -6.5 and go saints all day long!
but Dallas backers will say , that's 'Before' the winning streak therefore, it doesnt count. Another argument is that Dallas has been improving since but how can you say they have improved when you won against so-so teams by 1 TD or less?
- rams could have easily beat them??? Ok! but they didnt and were actually down by a lot more than the final score indicates.
- Falcons game could have been closer, yes, i was on the falcons and fell short of the cover cause of all the fumbles... but its not luck man.
- They pounded de bengals and eagles by 100 points but hey! that doesnt count because they are not that good... sure, thats why they always lose by those margins
Havent decided if ill play anything tomorrow but cmon man you are just doing a bit of confirmation bias by yourself here
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mm so:
- the strong point in saints defense is luck...
- rams could have easily beat them??? Ok! but they didnt and were actually down by a lot more than the final score indicates.
- Falcons game could have been closer, yes, i was on the falcons and fell short of the cover cause of all the fumbles... but its not luck man.
- They pounded de bengals and eagles by 100 points but hey! that doesnt count because they are not that good... sure, thats why they always lose by those margins
Havent decided if ill play anything tomorrow but cmon man you are just doing a bit of confirmation bias by yourself here
Btw im not fading or hating on them only Saints games Ive bet was vs Rams that lost and Falcons +14 push, I mentioned they are legit Super Bowl contenders I see upset this week. GL to all saints backers
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Btw im not fading or hating on them only Saints games Ive bet was vs Rams that lost and Falcons +14 push, I mentioned they are legit Super Bowl contenders I see upset this week. GL to all saints backers
- rams could have easily beat them??? Ok! but they didnt and were actually down by a lot more than the final score indicates.
- Falcons game could have been closer, yes, i was on the falcons and fell short of the cover cause of all the fumbles... but its not luck man.
- They pounded de bengals and eagles by 100 points but hey! that doesnt count because they are not that good... sure, thats why they always lose by those margins
Havent decided if ill play anything tomorrow but cmon man you are just doing a bit of confirmation bias by yourself here
Besides the blowouts to philly and bengals which arent impressive to me based on the current state of those two teams, the ball has been rolling there way heavily, its no surprise that they lost to the bucs first game of year and shoulve browns the next if not for missed kicks thats all im saying. We are seeing a very overinflated line vs Dallas as a result of this. Yes I know that shouldve couldve wouldve it doesnt matter but Im willing to bet that luck wont be on there side this thursday. This Saints team isnt gods gift, you watch come playoff time these rams, saints, and chiefs teams better find a defense.
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Quote Originally Posted by statfreak:
mm so:
- the strong point in saints defense is luck...
- rams could have easily beat them??? Ok! but they didnt and were actually down by a lot more than the final score indicates.
- Falcons game could have been closer, yes, i was on the falcons and fell short of the cover cause of all the fumbles... but its not luck man.
- They pounded de bengals and eagles by 100 points but hey! that doesnt count because they are not that good... sure, thats why they always lose by those margins
Havent decided if ill play anything tomorrow but cmon man you are just doing a bit of confirmation bias by yourself here
Besides the blowouts to philly and bengals which arent impressive to me based on the current state of those two teams, the ball has been rolling there way heavily, its no surprise that they lost to the bucs first game of year and shoulve browns the next if not for missed kicks thats all im saying. We are seeing a very overinflated line vs Dallas as a result of this. Yes I know that shouldve couldve wouldve it doesnt matter but Im willing to bet that luck wont be on there side this thursday. This Saints team isnt gods gift, you watch come playoff time these rams, saints, and chiefs teams better find a defense.
mm so: - the strong point in saints defense is luck... - rams could have easily beat them??? Ok! but they didnt and were actually down by a lot more than the final score indicates. - Falcons game could have been closer, yes, i was on the falcons and fell short of the cover cause of all the fumbles... but its not luck man. - They pounded de bengals and eagles by 100 points but hey! that doesnt count because they are not that good... sure, thats why they always lose by those margins Havent decided if ill play anything tomorrow but cmon man you are just doing a bit of confirmation bias by yourself here
Besides the blowouts to philly and bengals which arent impressive to me based on the current state of those two teams, the ball has been rolling there way heavily, its no surprise that they lost to the bucs first game of year and shoulve browns the next if not for missed kicks thats all im saying. We are seeing a very overinflated line vs Dallas as a result of this. Yes I know that shouldve couldve wouldve it doesnt matter but Im willing to bet that luck wont be on there side this thursday. This Saints team isnt gods gift, you watch come playoff time these rams, saints, and chiefs teams better find a defense.
one could argue they found their game after the first two weeks, instead of being lucky all the way since.
I agree that lines are inflated with them thou
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Quote Originally Posted by BennyIcers:
Quote Originally Posted by statfreak:
mm so: - the strong point in saints defense is luck... - rams could have easily beat them??? Ok! but they didnt and were actually down by a lot more than the final score indicates. - Falcons game could have been closer, yes, i was on the falcons and fell short of the cover cause of all the fumbles... but its not luck man. - They pounded de bengals and eagles by 100 points but hey! that doesnt count because they are not that good... sure, thats why they always lose by those margins Havent decided if ill play anything tomorrow but cmon man you are just doing a bit of confirmation bias by yourself here
Besides the blowouts to philly and bengals which arent impressive to me based on the current state of those two teams, the ball has been rolling there way heavily, its no surprise that they lost to the bucs first game of year and shoulve browns the next if not for missed kicks thats all im saying. We are seeing a very overinflated line vs Dallas as a result of this. Yes I know that shouldve couldve wouldve it doesnt matter but Im willing to bet that luck wont be on there side this thursday. This Saints team isnt gods gift, you watch come playoff time these rams, saints, and chiefs teams better find a defense.
one could argue they found their game after the first two weeks, instead of being lucky all the way since.
Been a while gents, hope all is well. I'm with you on the Dallas ML here but its not because the of the Saints run defense which is never tested when they're 14+ points ahead of their opponents. I do think Zeke gashes the Saints a bit and Dak gets some magic back with the play action but that's beside the point.
What stands out to me on this game is Dallas's defense. Byron Jones is as close to a shutdown corner as it gets and two of the youngest and most dynamic playmaking linebackers in the league are about to get tested to the max. Could it go the other way? Sure. My intuition tells me that the longtime rule of "any given sunday" will apply here and the Cowboys will start their playoff run tomorrow night.
Best of luck to all those that wager here and I'll hit you with a little parlay for those who like money.
Chargers ML
Colts -4
Vikings +5 (they may win straight up)
Chiefs/Raiders Over
Denver -4.5
BOL!
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Been a while gents, hope all is well. I'm with you on the Dallas ML here but its not because the of the Saints run defense which is never tested when they're 14+ points ahead of their opponents. I do think Zeke gashes the Saints a bit and Dak gets some magic back with the play action but that's beside the point.
What stands out to me on this game is Dallas's defense. Byron Jones is as close to a shutdown corner as it gets and two of the youngest and most dynamic playmaking linebackers in the league are about to get tested to the max. Could it go the other way? Sure. My intuition tells me that the longtime rule of "any given sunday" will apply here and the Cowboys will start their playoff run tomorrow night.
Best of luck to all those that wager here and I'll hit you with a little parlay for those who like money.
Exactly .Saints will cover - 10 so just make some money It won't be c close after D. Lawrence talked garbage
If only this was how football and sports in general worked, but then we wouldnt watch and we'd all be rich from gambling again GL to whichever side, we could debate and go into it for hours, at the end of the day its all a crapshoot
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Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan1977:
Exactly .Saints will cover - 10 so just make some money It won't be c close after D. Lawrence talked garbage
If only this was how football and sports in general worked, but then we wouldnt watch and we'd all be rich from gambling again GL to whichever side, we could debate and go into it for hours, at the end of the day its all a crapshoot
Exactly .Saints will cover - 10 so just make some money It won't be c close after D. Lawrence talked garbage
If only this was how football and sports in general worked, but then we wouldnt watch and we'd all be rich from gambling again GL to whichever side, we could debate and go into it for hours, at the end of the day its all a crapshoot
BOL Benny ! For sure, not everyone can be on the same page ever ... otherwise, Vegas would be bankrupted.
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Quote Originally Posted by BennyIcers:
Quote Originally Posted by saintsfan1977:
Exactly .Saints will cover - 10 so just make some money It won't be c close after D. Lawrence talked garbage
If only this was how football and sports in general worked, but then we wouldnt watch and we'd all be rich from gambling again GL to whichever side, we could debate and go into it for hours, at the end of the day its all a crapshoot
BOL Benny ! For sure, not everyone can be on the same page ever ... otherwise, Vegas would be bankrupted.
It's worth noting that the last two saints road games against quality defenses they scored 23 points on offense. This is really a matter of can the Cowboys score 20-23 points. I think they can. Their defense can hold the saints to less than 30. 7.5 is a high number. I dont think they could win. If they had Irving and Smith back at fill strength I would think differently
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It's worth noting that the last two saints road games against quality defenses they scored 23 points on offense. This is really a matter of can the Cowboys score 20-23 points. I think they can. Their defense can hold the saints to less than 30. 7.5 is a high number. I dont think they could win. If they had Irving and Smith back at fill strength I would think differently
It's funny how in the internet, everyone is an "expert." You would think some of these cats are Billy Walters 2.0 by how they talk. LolEveryone is on the Saints. Everyone. Vegas hasn't had a losing month in many, many years....
One game doesn't equal a losing month. That being said, Vegas has been losing lots of money on New Orleans for several weeks in a row now. And on the over.....
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Quote Originally Posted by reconnoiter:
It's funny how in the internet, everyone is an "expert." You would think some of these cats are Billy Walters 2.0 by how they talk. LolEveryone is on the Saints. Everyone. Vegas hasn't had a losing month in many, many years....
One game doesn't equal a losing month. That being said, Vegas has been losing lots of money on New Orleans for several weeks in a row now. And on the over.....
It's funny how in the internet, everyone is an "expert." You would think some of these cats are Billy Walters 2.0 by how they talk. LolEveryone is on the Saints. Everyone. Vegas hasn't had a losing month in many, many years....
One game doesn't equal a losing month. That being said, Vegas has been losing lots of money on New Orleans for several weeks in a row now. And on the over.....
but we also have to understand, sports betting are pennies for Vegas.
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Quote Originally Posted by bpcuno:
Quote Originally Posted by reconnoiter:
It's funny how in the internet, everyone is an "expert." You would think some of these cats are Billy Walters 2.0 by how they talk. LolEveryone is on the Saints. Everyone. Vegas hasn't had a losing month in many, many years....
One game doesn't equal a losing month. That being said, Vegas has been losing lots of money on New Orleans for several weeks in a row now. And on the over.....
but we also have to understand, sports betting are pennies for Vegas.
mm so: - the strong point in saints defense is luck... - rams could have easily beat them??? Ok! but they didnt and were actually down by a lot more than the final score indicates. - Falcons game could have been closer, yes, i was on the falcons and fell short of the cover cause of all the fumbles... but its not luck man. - They pounded de bengals and eagles by 100 points but hey! that doesnt count because they are not that good... sure, thats why they always lose by those margins Havent decided if ill play anything tomorrow but cmon man you are just doing a bit of confirmation bias by yourself here
Besides the blowouts to philly and bengals which arent impressive to me based on the current state of those two teams, the ball has been rolling there way heavily, its no surprise that they lost to the bucs first game of year and shoulve browns the next if not for missed kicks thats all im saying. We are seeing a very overinflated line vs Dallas as a result of this. Yes I know that shouldve couldve wouldve it doesnt matter but Im willing to bet that luck wont be on there side this thursday. This Saints team isnt gods gift, you watch come playoff time these rams, saints, and chiefs teams better find a defense.
If you are not impressed by back-to-back victories of 51-14, then 48-7 against NFL teams (not college, NFL), then you need to lay off this game. You've got way too much homerism at work skewing your play here.
Secondly, against the Vikings for example, that was not a case of the ball just rolling their way. Theilen got popped by a hard hitting LB AND a corner. The Saints TOOK the ball from him. That's not luck. I could give more examples like that, but I'm not going to waste my time.
Last, the Saints are what everyone thought the Rams would be. The Saints run defense is legit by yards per carry allowed. Like the Rams, they've got 1st round picks up and down that line. But unlike the Rams, al of them are the Saints own 1st round picks.
My advice to you is to lay off this game. You are still obviously butt hurt from that Vikings beat down. Go make a play where your mind is clear.
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Quote Originally Posted by BennyIcers:
Quote Originally Posted by statfreak:
mm so: - the strong point in saints defense is luck... - rams could have easily beat them??? Ok! but they didnt and were actually down by a lot more than the final score indicates. - Falcons game could have been closer, yes, i was on the falcons and fell short of the cover cause of all the fumbles... but its not luck man. - They pounded de bengals and eagles by 100 points but hey! that doesnt count because they are not that good... sure, thats why they always lose by those margins Havent decided if ill play anything tomorrow but cmon man you are just doing a bit of confirmation bias by yourself here
Besides the blowouts to philly and bengals which arent impressive to me based on the current state of those two teams, the ball has been rolling there way heavily, its no surprise that they lost to the bucs first game of year and shoulve browns the next if not for missed kicks thats all im saying. We are seeing a very overinflated line vs Dallas as a result of this. Yes I know that shouldve couldve wouldve it doesnt matter but Im willing to bet that luck wont be on there side this thursday. This Saints team isnt gods gift, you watch come playoff time these rams, saints, and chiefs teams better find a defense.
If you are not impressed by back-to-back victories of 51-14, then 48-7 against NFL teams (not college, NFL), then you need to lay off this game. You've got way too much homerism at work skewing your play here.
Secondly, against the Vikings for example, that was not a case of the ball just rolling their way. Theilen got popped by a hard hitting LB AND a corner. The Saints TOOK the ball from him. That's not luck. I could give more examples like that, but I'm not going to waste my time.
Last, the Saints are what everyone thought the Rams would be. The Saints run defense is legit by yards per carry allowed. Like the Rams, they've got 1st round picks up and down that line. But unlike the Rams, al of them are the Saints own 1st round picks.
My advice to you is to lay off this game. You are still obviously butt hurt from that Vikings beat down. Go make a play where your mind is clear.
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good luck guys
again GL to whichever side, we could debate and go into it for hours, at the end of the day its all a crapshoot
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