Niners if they can stay healthy and Shanahan doesnt choke his chicken
Whose replacing Demeco Ryan?
Good luck but I think the window is closing soon. They need to find a proven quarterback to get them over the top. No telling if Purdy will be the same QB after the injury.
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Quote Originally Posted by JimmyGape:
Niners if they can stay healthy and Shanahan doesnt choke his chicken
Whose replacing Demeco Ryan?
Good luck but I think the window is closing soon. They need to find a proven quarterback to get them over the top. No telling if Purdy will be the same QB after the injury.
What's your take on their new OC Monken? Last we saw in NFL he was running HC Freddie Kitchen's offense with Baker and before that watching Jameis lead the league in picks (maybe right year idk?)
As far as the Chiefs go....their entire offensive line is intact, youth everywhere in the secondary (room for improvement) and they have NINE picks in the upcoming nfl draft (plus compensatory selections to be announced later). With Mahomes they'll never be out of the conversation....
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I like those Ravens futures odds
What's your take on their new OC Monken? Last we saw in NFL he was running HC Freddie Kitchen's offense with Baker and before that watching Jameis lead the league in picks (maybe right year idk?)
As far as the Chiefs go....their entire offensive line is intact, youth everywhere in the secondary (room for improvement) and they have NINE picks in the upcoming nfl draft (plus compensatory selections to be announced later). With Mahomes they'll never be out of the conversation....
@Digitalkarma I like those Ravens futures odds What's your take on their new OC Monken? Last we saw in NFL he was running HC Freddie Kitchen's offense with Baker and before that watching Jameis lead the league in picks (maybe right year idk?) As far as the Chiefs go....their entire offensive line is intact, youth everywhere in the secondary (room for improvement) and they have NINE picks in the upcoming nfl draft (plus compensatory selections to be announced later). With Mahomes they'll never be out of the conversation....
I kinda had a feeling Monken would be hired as our new OC as soon as his name was mentioned. When Reich was off the table early then later Bobby Slowik I felt it was a mere formality at that point it would be Monken.
Can't say I am super impressed with Monken's past NFL resume. In Tampa, their passing game seemed prolific despite Winston being a turnover machine but they only looked good cuz their defense was atrocious .. Cleveland no idea what happened there but he couldnt seem to get much going with OBJ and Landry. However the potential is definitely there for Monken to improve the Ravens passing game. Ravens will need to add another playmaking reciever and I suspect they will address that in free agency.
I hope Monken's time in Georgia has prepared him well for his second go around as OC in the NFL. I think it will be a good fit for what the Ravens are attempting to do: a more versatile and balanced running and passing attack(more emphasis on passing). Ravens tried to experiment being more pass heavy with Greg Roman but his passing concepts were just too stale. When the passing game no longer became a factor, Roman would try to outsmart himself with some bizarre playcalling. When he called in a QB sneak at the goal line on 3rd and 1(not even inches) instead of feeding it to Dobbins, fumble return TD by Sam Hubbard then that was the final nail in the coffin for Roman.
As long as Monken doesn't stray too far from the running game then I see this as the next logical step for the Ravens offense. They no doubt need to improve their RedZone efficiency, rank 30th last season blah.. Ravens offense should be more than just hitting Mark Andrews and running the ball. Mix in some more 12 personnel, get Likely more involved and the other recievers too
I like this hire. I will go in with an open mind
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Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:
@Digitalkarma I like those Ravens futures odds What's your take on their new OC Monken? Last we saw in NFL he was running HC Freddie Kitchen's offense with Baker and before that watching Jameis lead the league in picks (maybe right year idk?) As far as the Chiefs go....their entire offensive line is intact, youth everywhere in the secondary (room for improvement) and they have NINE picks in the upcoming nfl draft (plus compensatory selections to be announced later). With Mahomes they'll never be out of the conversation....
I kinda had a feeling Monken would be hired as our new OC as soon as his name was mentioned. When Reich was off the table early then later Bobby Slowik I felt it was a mere formality at that point it would be Monken.
Can't say I am super impressed with Monken's past NFL resume. In Tampa, their passing game seemed prolific despite Winston being a turnover machine but they only looked good cuz their defense was atrocious .. Cleveland no idea what happened there but he couldnt seem to get much going with OBJ and Landry. However the potential is definitely there for Monken to improve the Ravens passing game. Ravens will need to add another playmaking reciever and I suspect they will address that in free agency.
I hope Monken's time in Georgia has prepared him well for his second go around as OC in the NFL. I think it will be a good fit for what the Ravens are attempting to do: a more versatile and balanced running and passing attack(more emphasis on passing). Ravens tried to experiment being more pass heavy with Greg Roman but his passing concepts were just too stale. When the passing game no longer became a factor, Roman would try to outsmart himself with some bizarre playcalling. When he called in a QB sneak at the goal line on 3rd and 1(not even inches) instead of feeding it to Dobbins, fumble return TD by Sam Hubbard then that was the final nail in the coffin for Roman.
As long as Monken doesn't stray too far from the running game then I see this as the next logical step for the Ravens offense. They no doubt need to improve their RedZone efficiency, rank 30th last season blah.. Ravens offense should be more than just hitting Mark Andrews and running the ball. Mix in some more 12 personnel, get Likely more involved and the other recievers too
this is probably the longest preseason odds I've seen the Ravens since 2019 although the market consensus is still around +2000 but there are a few +3000's laying around which is interesting.. Lamar trade rumors have made the Ravens future a bit cloudier and is reflected in the odds.
In the end, I think Ravens and Lamar eventually find a compromise and that he will take the deal(maybe with an option to earn more incentives like for example getting the team to a Super Bowl). If it's really all about the money and not about winning championships, a goal that he often boasts about, then he will be happy playing for the Falcons or Jets, two of the rumored teams so far. Other rumors say he wants to return home to Florida to play for Miami or Tampa. I don't see the Ravens willing to trade him to an AFC competitor like the Dolphins so the more logical choice would be to send him to Bucs but they are well under the cap.
More than likely I see Lamar staying in Bmore. he could contend for an already established contender while still getting paid like a top 5 QB(well for a year at least until Herbert and Burrow's deals are next) I don't think he has that luxury anywhere else Lamar would be stupid not to take the deal. I'm starting to warm up to Monken and think it will be a good fit for the Ravens. Will be some growing pains in the beginning but could see them be that balanced top 10 offense that the Ravens had in 2019. Once Lamar resigns I expect the Ravens odds to drop to +1200/+1500 range
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I'm put my first bets in of the 2023 season
Ravens +3000 to win SB58
Ravens +1600 to win AFC
this is probably the longest preseason odds I've seen the Ravens since 2019 although the market consensus is still around +2000 but there are a few +3000's laying around which is interesting.. Lamar trade rumors have made the Ravens future a bit cloudier and is reflected in the odds.
In the end, I think Ravens and Lamar eventually find a compromise and that he will take the deal(maybe with an option to earn more incentives like for example getting the team to a Super Bowl). If it's really all about the money and not about winning championships, a goal that he often boasts about, then he will be happy playing for the Falcons or Jets, two of the rumored teams so far. Other rumors say he wants to return home to Florida to play for Miami or Tampa. I don't see the Ravens willing to trade him to an AFC competitor like the Dolphins so the more logical choice would be to send him to Bucs but they are well under the cap.
More than likely I see Lamar staying in Bmore. he could contend for an already established contender while still getting paid like a top 5 QB(well for a year at least until Herbert and Burrow's deals are next) I don't think he has that luxury anywhere else Lamar would be stupid not to take the deal. I'm starting to warm up to Monken and think it will be a good fit for the Ravens. Will be some growing pains in the beginning but could see them be that balanced top 10 offense that the Ravens had in 2019. Once Lamar resigns I expect the Ravens odds to drop to +1200/+1500 range
I'm put my first bets in of the 2023 season Ravens +3000 to win SB58 Ravens +1600 to win AFC this is probably the longest preseason odds I've seen the Ravens since 2019 although the market consensus is still around +2000 but there are a few +3000's laying around which is interesting.. Lamar trade rumors have made the Ravens future a bit cloudier and is reflected in the odds. In the end, I think Ravens and Lamar eventually find a compromise and that he will take the deal(maybe with an option to earn more incentives like for example getting the team to a Super Bowl). If it's really all about the money and not about winning championships, a goal that he often boasts about, then he will be happy playing for the Falcons or Jets, two of the rumored teams so far. Other rumors say he wants to return home to Florida to play for Miami or Tampa. I don't see the Ravens willing to trade him to an AFC competitor like the Dolphins so the more logical choice would be to send him to Bucs but they are well under the cap. More than likely I see Lamar staying in Bmore. he could contend for an already established contender while still getting paid like a top 5 QB(well for a year at least until Herbert and Burrow's deals are next) I don't think he has that luxury anywhere else Lamar would be stupid not to take the deal. I'm starting to warm up to Monken and think it will be a good fit for the Ravens. Will be some growing pains in the beginning but could see them be that balanced top 10 offense that the Ravens had in 2019. Once Lamar resigns I expect the Ravens odds to drop to +1200/+1500 range
Good luck. The price is worth it.
I seldom bet futures and, IIRC the only futures bet I placed in the last decade was on the 2014 season - BAL at +420 to win the AFC North. My co-worker was from MD and a big BAL fan, so we split a small ticket. It looked to be a loser until week 14 when (as a 3-point dog) BAL won 34-27 at tough NO.
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Quote Originally Posted by Digitalkarma:
I'm put my first bets in of the 2023 season Ravens +3000 to win SB58 Ravens +1600 to win AFC this is probably the longest preseason odds I've seen the Ravens since 2019 although the market consensus is still around +2000 but there are a few +3000's laying around which is interesting.. Lamar trade rumors have made the Ravens future a bit cloudier and is reflected in the odds. In the end, I think Ravens and Lamar eventually find a compromise and that he will take the deal(maybe with an option to earn more incentives like for example getting the team to a Super Bowl). If it's really all about the money and not about winning championships, a goal that he often boasts about, then he will be happy playing for the Falcons or Jets, two of the rumored teams so far. Other rumors say he wants to return home to Florida to play for Miami or Tampa. I don't see the Ravens willing to trade him to an AFC competitor like the Dolphins so the more logical choice would be to send him to Bucs but they are well under the cap. More than likely I see Lamar staying in Bmore. he could contend for an already established contender while still getting paid like a top 5 QB(well for a year at least until Herbert and Burrow's deals are next) I don't think he has that luxury anywhere else Lamar would be stupid not to take the deal. I'm starting to warm up to Monken and think it will be a good fit for the Ravens. Will be some growing pains in the beginning but could see them be that balanced top 10 offense that the Ravens had in 2019. Once Lamar resigns I expect the Ravens odds to drop to +1200/+1500 range
Good luck. The price is worth it.
I seldom bet futures and, IIRC the only futures bet I placed in the last decade was on the 2014 season - BAL at +420 to win the AFC North. My co-worker was from MD and a big BAL fan, so we split a small ticket. It looked to be a loser until week 14 when (as a 3-point dog) BAL won 34-27 at tough NO.
Quote Originally Posted by Digitalkarma: I'm put my first bets in of the 2023 season Ravens +3000 to win SB58 Ravens +1600 to win AFC this is probably the longest preseason odds I've seen the Ravens since 2019 although the market consensus is still around +2000 but there are a few +3000's laying around which is interesting.. Lamar trade rumors have made the Ravens future a bit cloudier and is reflected in the odds. In the end, I think Ravens and Lamar eventually find a compromise and that he will take the deal(maybe with an option to earn more incentives like for example getting the team to a Super Bowl). If it's really all about the money and not about winning championships, a goal that he often boasts about, then he will be happy playing for the Falcons or Jets, two of the rumored teams so far. Other rumors say he wants to return home to Florida to play for Miami or Tampa. I don't see the Ravens willing to trade him to an AFC competitor like the Dolphins so the more logical choice would be to send him to Bucs but they are well under the cap. More than likely I see Lamar staying in Bmore. he could contend for an already established contender while still getting paid like a top 5 QB(well for a year at least until Herbert and Burrow's deals are next) I don't think he has that luxury anywhere else Lamar would be stupid not to take the deal. I'm starting to warm up to Monken and think it will be a good fit for the Ravens. Will be some growing pains in the beginning but could see them be that balanced top 10 offense that the Ravens had in 2019. Once Lamar resigns I expect the Ravens odds to drop to +1200/+1500 range Good luck. The price is worth it. I seldom bet futures and, IIRC the only futures bet I placed in the last decade was on the 2014 season - BAL at +420 to win the AFC North. My co-worker was from MD and a big BAL fan, so we split a small ticket. It looked to be a loser until week 14 when (as a 3-point dog) BAL won 34-27 at tough NO.
Thanks DBW, that was a fun one, I remember it as the Justin Forsett season. Too bad the playoff party ended prematurely. You got any Monken insight from his brief time in Cleveland?
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Quote Originally Posted by DogbiteWilliams:
Quote Originally Posted by Digitalkarma: I'm put my first bets in of the 2023 season Ravens +3000 to win SB58 Ravens +1600 to win AFC this is probably the longest preseason odds I've seen the Ravens since 2019 although the market consensus is still around +2000 but there are a few +3000's laying around which is interesting.. Lamar trade rumors have made the Ravens future a bit cloudier and is reflected in the odds. In the end, I think Ravens and Lamar eventually find a compromise and that he will take the deal(maybe with an option to earn more incentives like for example getting the team to a Super Bowl). If it's really all about the money and not about winning championships, a goal that he often boasts about, then he will be happy playing for the Falcons or Jets, two of the rumored teams so far. Other rumors say he wants to return home to Florida to play for Miami or Tampa. I don't see the Ravens willing to trade him to an AFC competitor like the Dolphins so the more logical choice would be to send him to Bucs but they are well under the cap. More than likely I see Lamar staying in Bmore. he could contend for an already established contender while still getting paid like a top 5 QB(well for a year at least until Herbert and Burrow's deals are next) I don't think he has that luxury anywhere else Lamar would be stupid not to take the deal. I'm starting to warm up to Monken and think it will be a good fit for the Ravens. Will be some growing pains in the beginning but could see them be that balanced top 10 offense that the Ravens had in 2019. Once Lamar resigns I expect the Ravens odds to drop to +1200/+1500 range Good luck. The price is worth it. I seldom bet futures and, IIRC the only futures bet I placed in the last decade was on the 2014 season - BAL at +420 to win the AFC North. My co-worker was from MD and a big BAL fan, so we split a small ticket. It looked to be a loser until week 14 when (as a 3-point dog) BAL won 34-27 at tough NO.
Thanks DBW, that was a fun one, I remember it as the Justin Forsett season. Too bad the playoff party ended prematurely. You got any Monken insight from his brief time in Cleveland?
I'll just go along with what he has done lately and that was help Georgia Bulldogs to 2 straight Nattys. Hope the momentum carries with him to the Ravens
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I'll just go along with what he has done lately and that was help Georgia Bulldogs to 2 straight Nattys. Hope the momentum carries with him to the Ravens
Odds moving again on Ravens Before the WH shutdown +3500, after WH went back online +3000. Dropped again currently +2500 to win SB , +1400 AFC I'll take look around other joints to see if there have been any changes as well
No changes anywhere else that I can recall. Southpoint still has the Ravens at +3000. Maybe I will make a trip down there sometime but the drive is a little far lol
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Quote Originally Posted by Digitalkarma:
Odds moving again on Ravens Before the WH shutdown +3500, after WH went back online +3000. Dropped again currently +2500 to win SB , +1400 AFC I'll take look around other joints to see if there have been any changes as well
No changes anywhere else that I can recall. Southpoint still has the Ravens at +3000. Maybe I will make a trip down there sometime but the drive is a little far lol
I wouldn't take any NFC team to win the Super Bowl. AFC is still the stronger conference and I think will remain the same after free agency has passed. With Brady finally out of the picture and possibly Rodgers on his way out as well to join the AFC.. the competition in the NFC is even more wide open. Eagles had a nice run to the Super Bowl but they could be in for regression mode next season with both coordinators moving on and 20 players heading to free agency. 49ers have the clearest path to the Super Bowl if they can keep their roster intact for another year. Cowboys like the 49ers are next in line to ascend but quarterback play has kept them from being great. Both teams have the better defense in the conference which gives them the edge and is reflected in the odds. Again, I don't quite trust the quarterbacks in the field. Trey Lance, Dak Prescott, even Brock Purdy and Jalen Hurts despite having a good year still aren't a proven group. Jordan Love too we have no idea what we will get from him. Packers are a true wildcard that could surprise us with Love but I'm not expecting it
This is where the Lions come in, fresh off their first winning season under Dan Campbell and a rare sweep against their nemesis bully Aaron Rodgers. They have established a winning culture finishing off last season with 8 wins in their final 10 games to go 9-8. Lions could be the next 2009 Saints - city of perennial losers that never sniffed a Super Bowl but built momentum on a non-playoff year then turned playoff contender the next.
Jared Goff is getting comfortable now in the Lions offense with a good offensive line and emerging playmakers on offense. Lions have the capability to be the best offense in the NFC. The defense on the other hand showed some improvement middle of the season with a defensive coordinator switch but it could definitely be better. The Lions have 8 draft picks and 13 million in cap room to address their defense. Lions have some lure now to attract some defensive free agents. I think Lions will definitely improve on that side of the ball and be at least middle of the pack. All in all going to be an exciting upcoming season for Lions fans.
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Lions +1200 to win the NFC
I wouldn't take any NFC team to win the Super Bowl. AFC is still the stronger conference and I think will remain the same after free agency has passed. With Brady finally out of the picture and possibly Rodgers on his way out as well to join the AFC.. the competition in the NFC is even more wide open. Eagles had a nice run to the Super Bowl but they could be in for regression mode next season with both coordinators moving on and 20 players heading to free agency. 49ers have the clearest path to the Super Bowl if they can keep their roster intact for another year. Cowboys like the 49ers are next in line to ascend but quarterback play has kept them from being great. Both teams have the better defense in the conference which gives them the edge and is reflected in the odds. Again, I don't quite trust the quarterbacks in the field. Trey Lance, Dak Prescott, even Brock Purdy and Jalen Hurts despite having a good year still aren't a proven group. Jordan Love too we have no idea what we will get from him. Packers are a true wildcard that could surprise us with Love but I'm not expecting it
This is where the Lions come in, fresh off their first winning season under Dan Campbell and a rare sweep against their nemesis bully Aaron Rodgers. They have established a winning culture finishing off last season with 8 wins in their final 10 games to go 9-8. Lions could be the next 2009 Saints - city of perennial losers that never sniffed a Super Bowl but built momentum on a non-playoff year then turned playoff contender the next.
Jared Goff is getting comfortable now in the Lions offense with a good offensive line and emerging playmakers on offense. Lions have the capability to be the best offense in the NFC. The defense on the other hand showed some improvement middle of the season with a defensive coordinator switch but it could definitely be better. The Lions have 8 draft picks and 13 million in cap room to address their defense. Lions have some lure now to attract some defensive free agents. I think Lions will definitely improve on that side of the ball and be at least middle of the pack. All in all going to be an exciting upcoming season for Lions fans.
Eagles But like others have stated, way too early. The best think that happened to the Eagles is they lost their DC. He was not good. Sean Desai is a much better DC.
They are losing some depth on that defense don't think they will replicate that sack production. Hargrave and Epps now gone possibly Bradberry too. Super Bowl loser curse in play
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Quote Originally Posted by tahoejoe2:
Eagles But like others have stated, way too early. The best think that happened to the Eagles is they lost their DC. He was not good. Sean Desai is a much better DC.
They are losing some depth on that defense don't think they will replicate that sack production. Hargrave and Epps now gone possibly Bradberry too. Super Bowl loser curse in play
I'm put my first bets in of the 2023 season Ravens +3000 to win SB58 Ravens +1600 to win AFC this is probably the longest preseason odds I've seen the Ravens since 2019 although the market consensus is still around +2000 but there are a few +3000's laying around which is interesting.. Lamar trade rumors have made the Ravens future a bit cloudier and is reflected in the odds. In the end, I think Ravens and Lamar eventually find a compromise and that he will take the deal(maybe with an option to earn more incentives like for example getting the team to a Super Bowl). If it's really all about the money and not about winning championships, a goal that he often boasts about, then he will be happy playing for the Falcons or Jets, two of the rumored teams so far. Other rumors say he wants to return home to Florida to play for Miami or Tampa. I don't see the Ravens willing to trade him to an AFC competitor like the Dolphins so the more logical choice would be to send him to Bucs but they are well under the cap. More than likely I see Lamar staying in Bmore. he could contend for an already established contender while still getting paid like a top 5 QB(well for a year at least until Herbert and Burrow's deals are next) I don't think he has that luxury anywhere else Lamar would be stupid not to take the deal. I'm starting to warm up to Monken and think it will be a good fit for the Ravens. Will be some growing pains in the beginning but could see them be that balanced top 10 offense that the Ravens had in 2019. Once Lamar resigns I expect the Ravens odds to drop to +1200/+1500 range
An update: nearly 2 months later..
Ravens+3500 to win SB58
Ravens +1750 to win AFC
Ravens making some right moves so far. Hiring Monken as OC. Getting rid of conditioning coach Saunders. And addressing the WR room with a pair of vets: Agholor doesn't do much for me but adding OBJ is interesting. I'm not a big fan of diva recievers like OBJ as talented as he may be but we don't know what we will get with him coming off of major knee injury but it's a good sign Ravens are listening to what they need to fix. Hope it's similar to when Steve Smith moved to Balty and had a year. Both recievers have won a super bowl before so that could also be invaluable on offense we need a good mix of vets on the offensive side. I think Ravens offense will be fun to watch if Lamar Jackson can get it together and focus on winning with Ravens. Has no excuse now not to get it done. I think Lamar is staying put.
Still kinda sad Calais is now with Falcons. Other than that it's been a low-key but productive offseason so far not that the Ravens really need to do much to their roster. Now let's see if Ravens can find some winners in the draft..
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Quote Originally Posted by Digitalkarma:
I'm put my first bets in of the 2023 season Ravens +3000 to win SB58 Ravens +1600 to win AFC this is probably the longest preseason odds I've seen the Ravens since 2019 although the market consensus is still around +2000 but there are a few +3000's laying around which is interesting.. Lamar trade rumors have made the Ravens future a bit cloudier and is reflected in the odds. In the end, I think Ravens and Lamar eventually find a compromise and that he will take the deal(maybe with an option to earn more incentives like for example getting the team to a Super Bowl). If it's really all about the money and not about winning championships, a goal that he often boasts about, then he will be happy playing for the Falcons or Jets, two of the rumored teams so far. Other rumors say he wants to return home to Florida to play for Miami or Tampa. I don't see the Ravens willing to trade him to an AFC competitor like the Dolphins so the more logical choice would be to send him to Bucs but they are well under the cap. More than likely I see Lamar staying in Bmore. he could contend for an already established contender while still getting paid like a top 5 QB(well for a year at least until Herbert and Burrow's deals are next) I don't think he has that luxury anywhere else Lamar would be stupid not to take the deal. I'm starting to warm up to Monken and think it will be a good fit for the Ravens. Will be some growing pains in the beginning but could see them be that balanced top 10 offense that the Ravens had in 2019. Once Lamar resigns I expect the Ravens odds to drop to +1200/+1500 range
An update: nearly 2 months later..
Ravens+3500 to win SB58
Ravens +1750 to win AFC
Ravens making some right moves so far. Hiring Monken as OC. Getting rid of conditioning coach Saunders. And addressing the WR room with a pair of vets: Agholor doesn't do much for me but adding OBJ is interesting. I'm not a big fan of diva recievers like OBJ as talented as he may be but we don't know what we will get with him coming off of major knee injury but it's a good sign Ravens are listening to what they need to fix. Hope it's similar to when Steve Smith moved to Balty and had a year. Both recievers have won a super bowl before so that could also be invaluable on offense we need a good mix of vets on the offensive side. I think Ravens offense will be fun to watch if Lamar Jackson can get it together and focus on winning with Ravens. Has no excuse now not to get it done. I think Lamar is staying put.
Still kinda sad Calais is now with Falcons. Other than that it's been a low-key but productive offseason so far not that the Ravens really need to do much to their roster. Now let's see if Ravens can find some winners in the draft..
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