After a terrible season I am finally heating up for the playoffs. Week 17 is difficult to cap because there are a lot of weird spots. So it's possible I will end up with just 3-4 picks.
What's very interesting is that huge underdogs just don't win in the last week. Since 2009, underdogs of more than a TD are 1-36 SU and 13-24 ATS. They are 2-35 on 6-pt-teasers. Since 2008 they are 2-41 SU and so on. These teams don't have motivation to win, they play for the draft pick. So you could look to find some teasing options.
For example the Ravens and Dolphins will have NO motivation to win this week. The Ravens had their personal Super Bowl last week and they don't care about a win over the Bengals. The Dolphins are already looking at the next draft, they have no motivation whether the Pats will have the first or second seed. But the Pats wanna have home field through the playoffs.
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59-49 ytd
After a terrible season I am finally heating up for the playoffs. Week 17 is difficult to cap because there are a lot of weird spots. So it's possible I will end up with just 3-4 picks.
What's very interesting is that huge underdogs just don't win in the last week. Since 2009, underdogs of more than a TD are 1-36 SU and 13-24 ATS. They are 2-35 on 6-pt-teasers. Since 2008 they are 2-41 SU and so on. These teams don't have motivation to win, they play for the draft pick. So you could look to find some teasing options.
For example the Ravens and Dolphins will have NO motivation to win this week. The Ravens had their personal Super Bowl last week and they don't care about a win over the Bengals. The Dolphins are already looking at the next draft, they have no motivation whether the Pats will have the first or second seed. But the Pats wanna have home field through the playoffs.
This isn't the "same old Jets"
team. This isn't the Bills team from 2014. If it was last year, I would
sweat my pants but not this time. When Rex Ryan said "maybe we are going
to run the ball 40 times a game next year" I knew the Bills won't make
the playoffs. Rex is a great motivator and was a great defensive mind at
New York, but he doesn't know how to run an offense. He thinks that if
his team can pound the ball, he is going to win a lot of Football games.
But he isn't able to pay a statistics geek to tell him that there is
virtually no correlation between yards per carry and scoring points.
70%
of the winning teams have more total rush yards than their opponent
because they milk the clock in the second half and the losing team needs
to air it out. That's the whole secret. That's why playoff defenses
show low numbers. Total yards just mean NOTHING. The Bills are the
number one team in total rushing yards per game but they are far away
from the playoffs. A good running game sets up the passing game and
sometimes you might see a RB breaking tackles for a 60yd TD. But in the
long run you need to pass efficiently to score points. If someone says
this is bullsh*t, just go on and I will bomb you with several examples
and explanations. Look what the Seahawks and Chiefs do without Lynch and
Charles.
The Bills from 2014 had the best overall defense in
the league. They were #1 in pass DVOA and #12 in run DVOA. They had the
best pass rush in the league. Rex Ryan turned this defense into complete
bullsh*t. Before the Cowboys game they were the #29 total defense in
DVOA, #22 in pass and #30 in rush. The Cowboys game was much closer than
people think. The Cowboys were moving the chains without Dez Bryant and
Kellen Moore at QB AT Buffalo. They have the #18 scoring defense at
21.9 PPG. Their offense looks very good by looking at the numbers (#7
total DVOA) and that's something that made me shaking my head so I took a
look deeper, because watching tape tells us a different story. Their
offensive efficiency doesn't really translate to their offensive PPG at
22.7 (#13). They have a variance of 10% in their DVOA numbers which is
the third-worst value. It means they have been playing VERY
inconsistently. Also their PPG are inflated due to two big wins against
one of the worst defenses in the league of the Miami Dolphins. The
eye-test proves me right: this is an average offense. After reading that
stuff, add to that: the Bills have played a below average schedule. The
Jets have also played a worse schedule BUT there is one difference: the
Jets have a top-5 defense and a top-10 offense scoring wise. That's the
difference between a 7-8 and a 10-5 team. The Bills have two quality
wins on their schedule: vs. HOU and at NYJ. The latter one is the game I
just watched again this morning:
In week 10, the Bills caught
the Jets in a terrible spot. I had a lean on the Bills in this game. The
Jets were in the middle of their bad stretch of the season and were on a
short week after they barely won vs. the Jaguars. The Bills blew out
the Dolphins off their bye week and Rex Ryan had his players motivated
like heck. The Jets just came out flat during the first half. But even
though the score was 19-3 Bills at some point, the game itself was much
closer than people think and the Jets beat themselves in this game with a
turnover ratio of 0-4. It was just a terrible spot for them.
-Brandon Marshall dropped a first down pass in Jets territory that led to a FG: 3-3 -Devin Smith fumbled the kickoff return for a return TD: 9-3 Bills -Missed tackles & poor coverage by Davis on Karlos Williams: 19-3 Bills -Chris Ivory fumbled in Jets territory which lead to a FG: 22-3
After
the last score the Jets shut the Bills offense down for 23 minutes and
moved the chains for two touchdowns but it wasn't enough. They also had a
turnover on downs on 4th and 2 in the Bills' red zone. If Bowles had
gone for the FG, this game would have went to overtime! They weren't
able to overcome the four turnovers and the poor first half performance.
The
Bills have been motivated but they weren't the better team
matchup-wise. When they didn't have a short field, the Jets defense shut
them completely down. Tyrod Tailor was scrambling around, he got sacked
6 times. The Bills put ONE single drive of more than 60 yards together,
that's it.
The Jets have been playing consistently on both sides
of the ball. They can start fast, they can close out games. This isn't
the same old Jets team. Todd Bowles brought a whole new attitude into
this organization. Ryan Fitzpatrick has shown very good QB play and
Marshall/Decker are the best WR tandem in the league. Chris Ivory and
Bilal Powell can punish opposing defenses on the ground and on
screen/shuffle passes. This is the 10th best passing offense in DVOA,
2nd best RZ offense, the 6th best scoring offense & the 11th best
3rd down offense. The defense has been STELLAR. They just held the
Patriots to 1/10 on third downs and 13 offensive points recently. The
pass rush will once again get to Tyrod Tailor and Revis has been playing
better since he came back from concussion.
LeSean McCoy is
likely done, Marcell Dareus is doubtful after he had no feeling in his
hand on Sunday, Mario Williams has a clinch with Rex Ryan, Stephon
Gilmore is out, Nigel Bradham & Charles Clay are Q, Robert Woods is
out, Ronald Darby was out last Sunday.
This already poor playing
defense has some serious personnel issues. The Jets are on a roll and
they are going to score at will here with the right gameplan. Without
McCoy, Woods and probably Clay, I can't see the Bills offense keeping
more than 13 points on the board against this Jets defense.
Summary: if
you want to bet the Bills, keep in mind that you are taking the worse
team which is banged up and you are relying solely on the hope that the
Jets bring another turnover-festival because the motivational speech of
Rex Ryan won't be enough. He just doesn't have the personnel to compete
with a hot Jets team in their biggest game in four years.
Don't be a fool, take the better team!
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New York Jets -3 +105
This isn't the "same old Jets"
team. This isn't the Bills team from 2014. If it was last year, I would
sweat my pants but not this time. When Rex Ryan said "maybe we are going
to run the ball 40 times a game next year" I knew the Bills won't make
the playoffs. Rex is a great motivator and was a great defensive mind at
New York, but he doesn't know how to run an offense. He thinks that if
his team can pound the ball, he is going to win a lot of Football games.
But he isn't able to pay a statistics geek to tell him that there is
virtually no correlation between yards per carry and scoring points.
70%
of the winning teams have more total rush yards than their opponent
because they milk the clock in the second half and the losing team needs
to air it out. That's the whole secret. That's why playoff defenses
show low numbers. Total yards just mean NOTHING. The Bills are the
number one team in total rushing yards per game but they are far away
from the playoffs. A good running game sets up the passing game and
sometimes you might see a RB breaking tackles for a 60yd TD. But in the
long run you need to pass efficiently to score points. If someone says
this is bullsh*t, just go on and I will bomb you with several examples
and explanations. Look what the Seahawks and Chiefs do without Lynch and
Charles.
The Bills from 2014 had the best overall defense in
the league. They were #1 in pass DVOA and #12 in run DVOA. They had the
best pass rush in the league. Rex Ryan turned this defense into complete
bullsh*t. Before the Cowboys game they were the #29 total defense in
DVOA, #22 in pass and #30 in rush. The Cowboys game was much closer than
people think. The Cowboys were moving the chains without Dez Bryant and
Kellen Moore at QB AT Buffalo. They have the #18 scoring defense at
21.9 PPG. Their offense looks very good by looking at the numbers (#7
total DVOA) and that's something that made me shaking my head so I took a
look deeper, because watching tape tells us a different story. Their
offensive efficiency doesn't really translate to their offensive PPG at
22.7 (#13). They have a variance of 10% in their DVOA numbers which is
the third-worst value. It means they have been playing VERY
inconsistently. Also their PPG are inflated due to two big wins against
one of the worst defenses in the league of the Miami Dolphins. The
eye-test proves me right: this is an average offense. After reading that
stuff, add to that: the Bills have played a below average schedule. The
Jets have also played a worse schedule BUT there is one difference: the
Jets have a top-5 defense and a top-10 offense scoring wise. That's the
difference between a 7-8 and a 10-5 team. The Bills have two quality
wins on their schedule: vs. HOU and at NYJ. The latter one is the game I
just watched again this morning:
In week 10, the Bills caught
the Jets in a terrible spot. I had a lean on the Bills in this game. The
Jets were in the middle of their bad stretch of the season and were on a
short week after they barely won vs. the Jaguars. The Bills blew out
the Dolphins off their bye week and Rex Ryan had his players motivated
like heck. The Jets just came out flat during the first half. But even
though the score was 19-3 Bills at some point, the game itself was much
closer than people think and the Jets beat themselves in this game with a
turnover ratio of 0-4. It was just a terrible spot for them.
-Brandon Marshall dropped a first down pass in Jets territory that led to a FG: 3-3 -Devin Smith fumbled the kickoff return for a return TD: 9-3 Bills -Missed tackles & poor coverage by Davis on Karlos Williams: 19-3 Bills -Chris Ivory fumbled in Jets territory which lead to a FG: 22-3
After
the last score the Jets shut the Bills offense down for 23 minutes and
moved the chains for two touchdowns but it wasn't enough. They also had a
turnover on downs on 4th and 2 in the Bills' red zone. If Bowles had
gone for the FG, this game would have went to overtime! They weren't
able to overcome the four turnovers and the poor first half performance.
The
Bills have been motivated but they weren't the better team
matchup-wise. When they didn't have a short field, the Jets defense shut
them completely down. Tyrod Tailor was scrambling around, he got sacked
6 times. The Bills put ONE single drive of more than 60 yards together,
that's it.
The Jets have been playing consistently on both sides
of the ball. They can start fast, they can close out games. This isn't
the same old Jets team. Todd Bowles brought a whole new attitude into
this organization. Ryan Fitzpatrick has shown very good QB play and
Marshall/Decker are the best WR tandem in the league. Chris Ivory and
Bilal Powell can punish opposing defenses on the ground and on
screen/shuffle passes. This is the 10th best passing offense in DVOA,
2nd best RZ offense, the 6th best scoring offense & the 11th best
3rd down offense. The defense has been STELLAR. They just held the
Patriots to 1/10 on third downs and 13 offensive points recently. The
pass rush will once again get to Tyrod Tailor and Revis has been playing
better since he came back from concussion.
LeSean McCoy is
likely done, Marcell Dareus is doubtful after he had no feeling in his
hand on Sunday, Mario Williams has a clinch with Rex Ryan, Stephon
Gilmore is out, Nigel Bradham & Charles Clay are Q, Robert Woods is
out, Ronald Darby was out last Sunday.
This already poor playing
defense has some serious personnel issues. The Jets are on a roll and
they are going to score at will here with the right gameplan. Without
McCoy, Woods and probably Clay, I can't see the Bills offense keeping
more than 13 points on the board against this Jets defense.
Summary: if
you want to bet the Bills, keep in mind that you are taking the worse
team which is banged up and you are relying solely on the hope that the
Jets bring another turnover-festival because the motivational speech of
Rex Ryan won't be enough. He just doesn't have the personnel to compete
with a hot Jets team in their biggest game in four years.
What's very interesting is that huge underdogs just don't win in the last week. Since 2009, underdogs of more than a TD are 1-36 SU and 13-24 ATS. They are 2-35 on 6-pt-teasers. Since 2008 they are 2-41 SU and so on. These teams don't have motivation to win, they play for the draft pick. So you could look to find some teasing options.
Good info...falls in line with my thinking. You wouldn't have quick access to Over/Under numbers would you? I was thinking more overs could be likely due to the not caring factor...there will be more "exhibition" type games. Just a thought though...
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Quote Originally Posted by suuma:
59-49 ytd
What's very interesting is that huge underdogs just don't win in the last week. Since 2009, underdogs of more than a TD are 1-36 SU and 13-24 ATS. They are 2-35 on 6-pt-teasers. Since 2008 they are 2-41 SU and so on. These teams don't have motivation to win, they play for the draft pick. So you could look to find some teasing options.
Good info...falls in line with my thinking. You wouldn't have quick access to Over/Under numbers would you? I was thinking more overs could be likely due to the not caring factor...there will be more "exhibition" type games. Just a thought though...
Good info...falls in line with my thinking. You wouldn't have quick access to Over/Under numbers would you? I was thinking more overs could be likely due to the not caring factor...there will be more "exhibition" type games. Just a thought though...
Week 17 in general since about 1989: O/U:
181-195-7, avg total: 40.8, avg points 42.2
The above scenario since 2008: O/U:
21-21-1
Btw. these dogs are getting outscored by 16.2 PPG
In the sce
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Quote Originally Posted by naesiy:
Good info...falls in line with my thinking. You wouldn't have quick access to Over/Under numbers would you? I was thinking more overs could be likely due to the not caring factor...there will be more "exhibition" type games. Just a thought though...
Week 17 in general since about 1989: O/U:
181-195-7, avg total: 40.8, avg points 42.2
"What's very interesting is that huge underdogs just don't win in the last week. Since 2009, underdogs of more than a TD are 1-36 SU and 13-24 ATS. They are 2-35 on 6-pt-teasers. Since 2008 they are 2-41 SU and so on. These teams don't have motivation to win, they play for the draft pick. So you could look to find some teasing options"
Stats worthy of attention, appreciate your effort in bringing them to the forefront of discussion, I see some excellent Teaser advantages for week #17
As Always, your write-ups are on Q, and loaded with 'recommendation' stats, looking forward to the upcoming playoffs have a good one
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Quote Originally Posted by suuma:
59-49 ytd
"What's very interesting is that huge underdogs just don't win in the last week. Since 2009, underdogs of more than a TD are 1-36 SU and 13-24 ATS. They are 2-35 on 6-pt-teasers. Since 2008 they are 2-41 SU and so on. These teams don't have motivation to win, they play for the draft pick. So you could look to find some teasing options"
Stats worthy of attention, appreciate your effort in bringing them to the forefront of discussion, I see some excellent Teaser advantages for week #17
As Always, your write-ups are on Q, and loaded with 'recommendation' stats, looking forward to the upcoming playoffs have a good one
Another great write up Suuma. I would say your best of the season.
To add to the above:
Ryan's revenge game was in NY and he won it. Mission accomplished. Motivation is severely watered down in a lost season for the Bills and you are correct in saying, remarkably, that Ryan has severely downgraded this defense.
I struggled to get through that brutal Cowboys game where I had the Bills ML. Bills looked COMPLETELY unmotivated and the final score of 16-6 did not do it justice. That was a very close game where only a late turnover lead to a TD to skew the result. Bills could not put it in the end zone no matter how much they tried before that against a Cowboys team that installed underachievers and sat stars (ie coaches want to lose respectably).
And here's another tidbit which points to the Jets winning...
Ryan came out at his press conference and said the following:
"I think part of it now looking at the season, we have, this is not the time. You know with, if we are trying to win a more significant game for us. Obviously that would be, you might consider something else. We want him to be the long term solution at the spot, so he has got to learn to protect himself and understand that we need him to be that."
If they are going to inhibit Taylor's ability to run, they will lose for certain. Even suggesting such a thing publicly and planting a seed in Taylor's head making him throw (not his strength when it's his primary option) is a bad thing.
There was a 4 game stretch this season where Taylor ran 24 times (low for him on average). Bills went 1-3.
Also, Mario Williams, an alleged defensive 'big dog' is compeltely nonexistent on defense.
He played 54 snaps vs the Cowboys and didn't register a single tackle, assisted tackle, hurry or QB pressure of any kind. Zero's on the entire stat line.
Bills have really struggled down the stretch and to come out with all this motivation in a season that's down the hopper is to gamble on something that won't be there in full (what is needed to win against this Jets team), especially as players are more than disgruntled with how Rex and his schemes have watered down their defensive stats tremendously.
Try to compare this game to Rex returning to his old stomping grounds at MetLife with a healthier team and one that benefited from timely turnovers and in a game where the Bills were more than alive for the playoffs. The two games just don't compare as the Jets come off a highly emotional win, but one where they still control their density and their mission of the playoffs is still not accomplished to counter that.
I will be backing the Jets with you with a very reasonable line.
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Another great write up Suuma. I would say your best of the season.
To add to the above:
Ryan's revenge game was in NY and he won it. Mission accomplished. Motivation is severely watered down in a lost season for the Bills and you are correct in saying, remarkably, that Ryan has severely downgraded this defense.
I struggled to get through that brutal Cowboys game where I had the Bills ML. Bills looked COMPLETELY unmotivated and the final score of 16-6 did not do it justice. That was a very close game where only a late turnover lead to a TD to skew the result. Bills could not put it in the end zone no matter how much they tried before that against a Cowboys team that installed underachievers and sat stars (ie coaches want to lose respectably).
And here's another tidbit which points to the Jets winning...
Ryan came out at his press conference and said the following:
"I think part of it now looking at the season, we have, this is not the time. You know with, if we are trying to win a more significant game for us. Obviously that would be, you might consider something else. We want him to be the long term solution at the spot, so he has got to learn to protect himself and understand that we need him to be that."
If they are going to inhibit Taylor's ability to run, they will lose for certain. Even suggesting such a thing publicly and planting a seed in Taylor's head making him throw (not his strength when it's his primary option) is a bad thing.
There was a 4 game stretch this season where Taylor ran 24 times (low for him on average). Bills went 1-3.
Also, Mario Williams, an alleged defensive 'big dog' is compeltely nonexistent on defense.
He played 54 snaps vs the Cowboys and didn't register a single tackle, assisted tackle, hurry or QB pressure of any kind. Zero's on the entire stat line.
Bills have really struggled down the stretch and to come out with all this motivation in a season that's down the hopper is to gamble on something that won't be there in full (what is needed to win against this Jets team), especially as players are more than disgruntled with how Rex and his schemes have watered down their defensive stats tremendously.
Try to compare this game to Rex returning to his old stomping grounds at MetLife with a healthier team and one that benefited from timely turnovers and in a game where the Bills were more than alive for the playoffs. The two games just don't compare as the Jets come off a highly emotional win, but one where they still control their density and their mission of the playoffs is still not accomplished to counter that.
I will be backing the Jets with you with a very reasonable line.
Great write up Suuma. I have been reading your posted its awesome I have a question for you ? What is the Jet to play for ? Are they already lock for the playoff spot?Thanks
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Great write up Suuma. I have been reading your posted its awesome I have a question for you ? What is the Jet to play for ? Are they already lock for the playoff spot?Thanks
Great write up Suuma. I have been reading your posted its awesome I have a question for you ? What is the Jet to play for ? Are they already lock for the playoff spot?Thanks
No the Jets need to win to guarantee a playoff spot. They can still get in with a loss, but the Steelers would also have to lose.
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Quote Originally Posted by Bucele:
Great write up Suuma. I have been reading your posted its awesome I have a question for you ? What is the Jet to play for ? Are they already lock for the playoff spot?Thanks
No the Jets need to win to guarantee a playoff spot. They can still get in with a loss, but the Steelers would also have to lose.
Because they want everybody to pound the jets...the value will be with the bills once the line moves to +3.5 and higher possibly....if jets get a win its gonna be by 3 only or bills win straight up.
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Because they want everybody to pound the jets...the value will be with the bills once the line moves to +3.5 and higher possibly....if jets get a win its gonna be by 3 only or bills win straight up.
All that nonsense in that wall of text and not a single word was ever read.
Based on the -3 spread in Buff, Jets would be -9 vs. the Bills in NY. Jets were -8 vs Tenn. So Tenn is 1 point better than Buff FUKKING LMAO That's how stupid you are.
The line in the first matchup was Jets -2.5 at home. lol they must have improved 6.5 points. The Westgate advanced line last week was Bills -1.5
This pick shows you are nothing more than an overreaction Monday public square with zero understanding of the true nature of the NFL or line value.
Pro tips for everyone that OP doesn't understand: -Buy low, sell high -Squares bet teams, sharps bet lines
Jets are at their highest just because they won an OT game vs. Pats. If they lose that game, Bills are probably favored here. OP is also just betting the Jets because they're the Jets, regardless if the line is chit and makes zero sense.
Thanks for the fade
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All that nonsense in that wall of text and not a single word was ever read.
Based on the -3 spread in Buff, Jets would be -9 vs. the Bills in NY. Jets were -8 vs Tenn. So Tenn is 1 point better than Buff FUKKING LMAO That's how stupid you are.
The line in the first matchup was Jets -2.5 at home. lol they must have improved 6.5 points. The Westgate advanced line last week was Bills -1.5
This pick shows you are nothing more than an overreaction Monday public square with zero understanding of the true nature of the NFL or line value.
Pro tips for everyone that OP doesn't understand: -Buy low, sell high -Squares bet teams, sharps bet lines
Jets are at their highest just because they won an OT game vs. Pats. If they lose that game, Bills are probably favored here. OP is also just betting the Jets because they're the Jets, regardless if the line is chit and makes zero sense.
Anyone remember 2 weeks ago Jets struggled to beat Dallas by 3, now they are world beaters. Buff doesn't have motivation to beat a divisional opponent and spoil their season
lol stupid fat fukk
This line will close well below 3, probably around 1. No chance sharps don't pick up Buffalo here.
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Anyone remember 2 weeks ago Jets struggled to beat Dallas by 3, now they are world beaters. Buff doesn't have motivation to beat a divisional opponent and spoil their season
lol stupid fat fukk
This line will close well below 3, probably around 1. No chance sharps don't pick up Buffalo here.
I had the Rams + pts last weekend. (Too bad I didn't take the ML). Anyway, I took the Rams because they have been a tough matchup for the Hawks the past few years. The Rams have a great front 7, and they match up well vs Hawks, who have a mediocre OL.
Similarly, the Bills seem to match up well vs the Jets. I'm not sure why, because I don't follow the AFC East teams as much as I follow NFC teams. But I noticed that the Bills have won 5 of the last 6 meetings vs Jets, by a combined score of 188-76.
Why have the Bills been able to dominate the Jets over the past several years?
The Jets are the better team, and should be fully focused to win this game.....but the Bills could prove to be a tough opponent, because they possess the confidence that comes with beating a division opponent 5 out of 6 times.
BOL
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I appreciate the write up.
I had the Rams + pts last weekend. (Too bad I didn't take the ML). Anyway, I took the Rams because they have been a tough matchup for the Hawks the past few years. The Rams have a great front 7, and they match up well vs Hawks, who have a mediocre OL.
Similarly, the Bills seem to match up well vs the Jets. I'm not sure why, because I don't follow the AFC East teams as much as I follow NFC teams. But I noticed that the Bills have won 5 of the last 6 meetings vs Jets, by a combined score of 188-76.
Why have the Bills been able to dominate the Jets over the past several years?
The Jets are the better team, and should be fully focused to win this game.....but the Bills could prove to be a tough opponent, because they possess the confidence that comes with beating a division opponent 5 out of 6 times.
What I don't understand is 1) if you don't agree with Suuma why not just move on to another post and 2) what compels you to berate his pick? Because you have no following? Seriously why do these people even come on the thread? Fricken children who need to have their mama's change their diapers. Get out of here, I read this non sense because I think someone is making an intelligent point only to find they are bashing. Like I said, quit wasting my time and get out of here. Suuma, win or lose on the Jets your handicapping is spot on. Well done.
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What I don't understand is 1) if you don't agree with Suuma why not just move on to another post and 2) what compels you to berate his pick? Because you have no following? Seriously why do these people even come on the thread? Fricken children who need to have their mama's change their diapers. Get out of here, I read this non sense because I think someone is making an intelligent point only to find they are bashing. Like I said, quit wasting my time and get out of here. Suuma, win or lose on the Jets your handicapping is spot on. Well done.
What I don't understand is 1) if you don't agree with Suuma why not just move on to another post and 2) what compels you to berate his pick? Because you have no following? Seriously why do these people even come on the thread? Fricken children who need to have their mama's change their diapers. Get out of here, I read this non sense because I think someone is making an intelligent point only to find they are bashing. Like I said, quit wasting my time and get out of here. Suuma, win or lose on the Jets your handicapping is spot on. Well done.
I agree if you disagree on the pic then agree to disagree..if we were in a room discussing this game I'm sure you who disagree wouldn't talk shit like that face to face internet tough guys.
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Quote Originally Posted by rakets:
What I don't understand is 1) if you don't agree with Suuma why not just move on to another post and 2) what compels you to berate his pick? Because you have no following? Seriously why do these people even come on the thread? Fricken children who need to have their mama's change their diapers. Get out of here, I read this non sense because I think someone is making an intelligent point only to find they are bashing. Like I said, quit wasting my time and get out of here. Suuma, win or lose on the Jets your handicapping is spot on. Well done.
I agree if you disagree on the pic then agree to disagree..if we were in a room discussing this game I'm sure you who disagree wouldn't talk shit like that face to face internet tough guys.
have a good one 
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