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First, I will say good game Cowboys...it was a great game to watch.

First of all....it is being forgotten that GB would have been down 1 or 3 with 4 minutes left, so they would have had plenty of time to win the game still.

Moving on to the play...

Its funny people are fighting this call so much. Ive seen so many threads talking about all the "football plays" dez made after the catch...inlcuding taking THREE steps and diving for the goaline

First of all.....there is NO football move possible until the player establishes contact with the field of play...Dez doesnt take THREE steps, he takes zero.  Landing on the ground is not taking steps. 

He catches the ball in the air, then he lands....that is not TWO steps.  It is LANDING. 

His momentum is taking him towards the endzone.  As he is FALLING, from his momentum and being tackled, he then takes ONE step, if you want to call falling to the ground moving forward and putting your foot down taking a step. 

That, if anything, I can see might be said is a football move. 

As he is falling, he reaches his arm out.  People are saying this is a football move?  Its reaction....

Either way...the rule clearly states when you are making a catch, the ground cant move the ball.

Not only does the ball move, it pops up into the air. 

Its plain and simple.

If he didnt have to jump into the air and was running down the sideline, it would have been a different call.

But, landing on the ground after jumping, is NOT making a football move.

How many times do you see a WR come across the middle of the field, jump for the ball, and when he lands he gets poppped by one or two players and the ball comes out...thats not a fumble its an incomplete pass...

Why?  Because he didnt make a football move...all he did was land on the ground.  Its the same thing. 

Its funny to hear people on this site say he took 3 steps.....come on...its not even close....he took maybe 1 step....maybe

Good game Cowboys

 
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it was a football move from 2 hands to one with that one hand reaching for the goalline this rule will be changed next year good luck next week
 
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My thing is there was not enough to over turn the call If it was called no catch ok .But to reverse it  ,Was a bogus call ,..At least it shut up the morons who call fix all the time .Where are all you dummys who started threads about the NLF and the Cowboys  ,maybe now you will realize ,the NFL isn't fixed because it doesn't need to be \

Next week   NE wins 35-24

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Should have just caught the ball and protected it, by reaching out the ball clearly touched the ground which made the pop out action before he reposed the football. BIG call yes, BAD call? Depending which team you are a fan of and which team you betted on. Move on GB @ SEA now.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by lucas57:

My thing is there was not enough to over turn the call If it was called no catch ok .But to reverse it  ,Was a bogus call ,..At least it shut up the morons who call fix all the time .Where are all you dummys who started threads about the NLF and the Cowboys  ,maybe now you will realize ,the NFL isn't fixed because it doesn't need to be \

Next week   NE wins 35-24

                     Seattle  31-21  (Tickets go on sale Tuesday morning there already lining up )

 

Seattle is going to be rocking....I cant imagine the atmosphere of that place on Sunday....

For Gb to have any chance, they have to throw at Sherman.  In week 1, they never went his way, but you have to attack him somehow...

The rest of their secondary is too good to let Sherman erase half or a quarter of the field...

I was shocked the line opened at 7.5

 
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Quote Originally Posted by LETGOPACK1234:

 

Seattle is going to be rocking....I cant imagine the atmosphere of that place on Sunday....

For Gb to have any chance, they have to throw at Sherman.  In week 1, they never went his way, but you have to attack him somehow...

The rest of their secondary is too good to let Sherman erase half or a quarter of the field...

I was shocked the line opened at 7.5


it opened at 6.5 in many places
 
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Just stop bro it was a catch. And yes green bay still would of had plenty of time to go win game. U are so biased that u shouldnt even b trying to make argument. Even the refs said he made three steps but didnt make football move when in fact he did make dootball move and it came to their JUDgEMENT therefor never should o been overturned cuz in no way with 100% certainty can u say he didnt reach and that is what u need to overturn that
 
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So letsgopack if its "landing" then how is a pass complete on sideline when a receiver jumps and lands dragging two feet bfor going out of bounds a catch? U make no sense bud
 
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Quote Originally Posted by KobezKing:

So letsgopack if its "landing" then how is a pass complete on sideline when a receiver jumps and lands dragging two feet bfor going out of bounds a catch? U make no sense bud

 

Dude....landing on the gorund isn't taking THREE steps...what is so hard about that???

Watch the video...he lands, putting two feet on the ground, and then takes maybe 1 step more...

 

What would have happened if a safety would have came across after he landed and hit him and knocked the ball out???

Incomplete pass right??  Yes...

Why, he landed...which according to everybody else is taking two steps...so it should be a fumble...

No, if a defender would have hit him and knocked the ball out it would have been incomplete because just landing isn't two steps or just a football move.

 

 

And even with your example here BRO....

If that same WR gets his two feet inbounds, then falls to the ground and the ball pops out...will they keep it a catch????   NO!!!!!

WHo doesn't make sense??  You just made the point for me

 
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Quote Originally Posted by vegasslim:


it opened at 6.5 in many places

 

Did it really??  Wow....so it jumped whole point already....dang!

 
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he never lost control of the ball.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by smarterthanyou:

he never lost control of the ball.

 

Really?  The ball changes arms a few times and pops into the air?  When the ball is in the air, that's losing control...its that simple

Had he been falling out of bounds like Kobe said above after landing and get two feet in, it would have been the exact same call...

 

 
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To make a catch you need to land with two feet, have control of the ball and make a football move... For you to conclusively call that those three things didn't happen prior to dez hitting the ground is biased.

The guy is one of the best recievers in the league and a freak backed up by him going to grab that ball. There was a point where he had the ball in both hand near his body/shoulder. He landed with two feet with control, all that's left is a football move,  If he thought he didn't have possession he is dam sure athletic enough that he  would have kept the ball tucked and landed with the ball securely in his stomach, but thinking he did have possession imo he made a football type move by reaching the ball for the pylon but the refs didn't see it as a football move and that means he didn't have all three criteria for becoming a running and therefore the refs go to the control on a ground rule. Terrible overturn 
 
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pack1234  your shocked the line is 7.5?  what you thought it would be? i assume you think GB has a slim chance at beating seattle
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Eccapper1105:

To make a catch you need to land with two feet, have control of the ball and make a football move... For you to conclusively call that those three things didn't happen prior to dez hitting the ground is biased.

The guy is one of the best recievers in the league and a freak backed up by him going to grab that ball. There was a point where he had the ball in both hand near his body/shoulder. He landed with two feet with control, all that's left is a football move,  If he thought he didn't have possession he is dam sure athletic enough that he  would have kept the ball tucked and landed with the ball securely in his stomach, but thinking he did have possession imo he made a football type move by reaching the ball for the pylon but the refs didn't see it as a football move and that means he didn't have all three criteria for becoming a running and therefore the refs go to the control on a ground rule. Terrible overturn 

 

What is so hard for people to understand??

In the process of completing this catch, the ball popped into the air after hitting the ground....its not that hard.

If he had been running down the sideline when he made the catch and reached out for the goaline, it would have been down by contact...

The ground cant cause a fumble, but it can cause an incomplete pass...

He was in mid-air when he made the catch....that means when he stands up he has to have the ball in his hands without the ground helping at all...the ball pops into the air...end of story

 
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Quote Originally Posted by bmiller1632:

pack1234  your shocked the line is 7.5?  what you thought it would be? i assume you think GB has a slim chance at beating seattle

 

Thought it would be 5.5ish....

Yeah, they have a slim chance, why not...

Third times a charm right?? 

GB will have to play a perfect game, but its possible.   Carolina hung around...and Seattle was like 9-11 on 3rd down....

Is it likely, no, but GB can win

 
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Quote Originally Posted by LETGOPACK1234:

 

What is so hard for people to understand??

In the process of completing this catch, the ball popped into the air after hitting the ground....its not that hard.

If he had been running down the sideline when he made the catch and reached out for the goaline, it would have been down by contact...

The ground cant cause a fumble, but it can cause an incomplete pass...

He was in mid-air when he made the catch....that means when he stands up he has to have the ball in his hands without the ground helping at all...the ball pops into the air...end of story


his right elbow hit the ground before the ball did also please explain the turf coming up from his right foot as he dies for the goal line is that not a football move? how about switching the ball from 2 hands to one is that not a football move?
 
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I backed the cowboys +5.5 and ml but by rule it was NOT a catch.  Rodgers gutted it out 2nd half and even if the Boys scored a tuddy there the pack wouldve went right back down the field and scored.  That being said the Seahawks are going to blow the doors off them next week.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by LETGOPACK1234:

 

What is so hard for people to understand??

In the process of completing this catch, the ball popped into the air after hitting the ground....its not that hard.

If he had been running down the sideline when he made the catch and reached out for the goaline, it would have been down by contact...

The ground cant cause a fumble, but it can cause an incomplete pass...

He was in mid-air when he made the catch....that means when he stands up he has to have the ball in his hands without the ground helping at all...the ball pops into the air...end of story


And this is where you are wrong, stupid , or biased or all three. know the rules I'll post a link if you want . The completing the process rule ONLY comes into play if the receiver has not made the catch and deemed himself a runner. For a reciever to become a runner he must CONTROL THE BALL, dez did that. He must LAND WITH TWO FEET, dez did that. AND HE MUST MAKE A MOVE COMMON TO THE GAME OF FOOTBALL, dez might have done that by taking one step and reaching but maybe not. If the official thought that dez did that he is a runner and when the ball hits the ground it is down by contact because the ground cannot cause a fumble HOWEVEr the refs deemed that dez only did two of the 3 things necessary to and they were quoted after the game that  the reach "was not a move common to the game" and therefore because dez bryan ONLY did two of those things not all three in the officials eyes, control landed but did not make a football move, then he is still a reciever and needs to maintain possession through the ground. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY CALLED IT A CATCH ON THE FIELD AND IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM CAN THE REF CONCLUSIVELY SAY DEZ BRYAN TAKINING ONE STEP AND REACHING IS NOT A FOOTBALL MOVE JUST MOMENTUM. Because like I stated earlier dez is athletic enough to tuck The ball if he thought he didn't have it therefore him reaching was obviously a conscience decision made on his part thus leading it to be very much a move common to te game
 
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Quote Originally Posted by vegasslim:


his right elbow hit the ground before the ball did also please explain the turf coming up from his right foot as he dies for the goal line is that not a football move? how about switching the ball from 2 hands to one is that not a football move?

 

Its the entire process when you catch the ball in mid-air...its not hard to understand..

The ground cant cause a fumble but can cause an incomplete pass...when the ball pops in the air when he is reaching, the process was still not over...thus its incomplete

 
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I c a catch with 2 hands, he m0ved the ball to one hand, took 3 steps and lunged for the goal line. u are blind if you cant c that and im not a Dallas fan but did have them + the points. you don't catch it with 2 HANDS AND MOVE THE BALL TO ONE HAND AND NOT CALL IT A FOOTBALL MOVE. Watching Mike 7 Mike and they say the same thing
 
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per the rule, the ball is allowed to pop into the air as long as it never hits the ground.
 
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And this is where you are wrong, stupid , or biased or all three. know the rules I'll post a link if you want . The completing the process rule ONLY comes into play if the receiver has not made the catch and deemed himself a runner. For a reciever to become a runner he must CONTROL THE BALL, dez did that. He must LAND WITH TWO FEET, dez did that. AND HE MUST MAKE A MOVE COMMON TO THE GAME OF FOOTBALL, dez might have done that by taking one step and reaching but maybe not. If the official thought that dez did that he is a runner and when the ball hits the ground it is down by contact because the ground cannot cause a fumble HOWEVEr the refs deemed that dez only did two of the 3 things necessary to and they were quoted after the game that  the reach "was not a move common to the game" and therefore because dez bryan ONLY did two of those things not all three in the officials eyes, control landed but did not make a football move, then he is still a reciever and needs to maintain possession through the ground. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT THEY CALLED IT A CATCH ON THE FIELD AND IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM CAN THE REF CONCLUSIVELY SAY DEZ BRYAN TAKINING ONE STEP AND REACHING IS NOT A FOOTBALL MOVE JUST MOMENTUM. Because like I stated earlier dez is athletic enough to tuck The ball if he thought he didn't have it therefore him reaching was obviously a conscience decision made on his part thus leading it to be very much a move common to te game

 

What happens if after he landed the safety comes over and hits him and knocks the ball out???  Incomplete correct??  Yes....

According to you though him landing was enough and it would be ruled a fumble??  No...wrong

In the process of LANDING....or what Cowboy fans/backers are calling taking two steps....the ball moves on his body...that right there shows he never even completed the catch yet..

There is 100% a way of over-turning the call...the moment he reached out and the ball pops in the air...

It has nothing to do with me being a Packer fan or not...I don't bet their games...they still had 4 mins to score...

The ball popped in the air when he hit the ground...its simple

 
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stop playing. that was a catch. and yes i acknowledge the fact that even if that was ruled a catch and cowboys score 7....green bay would have had PLENTY of time to win the game..and im not gonna put the loss solely on that call because dan bailey missed a fg and that controversial playcall on 3rd and 1...however...that was a catch..and you know dez was trying to get to that endzone (football move) ....its very unfortunate but it is what it is...but that sh*t was a catch!!!!!!
 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Theone324:

I backed the cowboys +5.5 and ml but by rule it was NOT a catch.  Rodgers gutted it out 2nd half and even if the Boys scored a tuddy there the pack wouldve went right back down the field and scored.  That being said the Seahawks are going to blow the doors off them next week.

 

Easy there Discount Double Check ....GB might keep it close

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