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    There is only one matchup you really need to worry about on SB Sunday: Fat Andy v Skinny Kyle

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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2020 - 3:46 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by lancer89074:

    I enjoyed the read BB...your writing style is reminiscent of my all time favorite sports' writer Jim Murray. Your use of the Shakespeare quote was quite good...your appraisal of Reid was a bit short shrift and unduly harsh and unfair IMO. In all fairness, Reid has made contributions of his own to the modern day aerial juggernaut, attack style so prevalent in the NFL. In spite of his weight problem, Andy has worked his whole career at his profession and has earned the respect of his players and peers. To reduce him to preferring a burger or ham sandwich in lieu of creating a good game plan is a stretch and doesn't fly at least with me. Even the best of coaches can only do so much but one thing a coach cannot do is to get too cute or complicated when victory is clearly in sight.  I read carefully Shanahan's explanation of his late 4th quarter drive in the Atlanta/New England superbowl...his ego keeps him from stating the obvious...which is 'I blew it'. Three kneel downs and a field goal would have won the day...but Kyle instead wanted to show off how his passing offense was second to none and so brilliant he could beat the great Bill Belichick in front of God and everyone. In life, we all make mistakes and most of us not on such a grand scale on center stage for all the world to see.  Shanahan has the 'smartest guy in the room' approach and often these guys are their own worst enemy. In fairness to Kyle, he has done a hell of a great job in creating a high caliber team in such a short time. A victory in this game would be his salvation and redemption.  Was bad coaching or a poor game plan the reason that Reid's Eagles lost that superbowl to the Pats? lMO they lost due to poor play at the quarterback position. The moment is just too big for some guys and who can come up big in big games? Sometimes superstars fall short in high profile games...happens a lot.  Chuck Noll the day before the superbowls would remind his players that the team that blocks better and tackles better will win the game. Even his great teams were uptight and nervous prior to these games and knowing this he gave them this simple message to allay their fears.  Hey, who doesn't like a good burger or ham sandwich, and yes I could stand to lose a few pounds myself.  All in all a great writeup BB...

    well said peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancer89074:

    I enjoyed the read BB...your writing style is reminiscent of my all time favorite sports' writer Jim Murray. Your use of the Shakespeare quote was quite good...your appraisal of Reid was a bit short shrift and unduly harsh and unfair IMO. In all fairness, Reid has made contributions of his own to the modern day aerial juggernaut, attack style so prevalent in the NFL. In spite of his weight problem, Andy has worked his whole career at his profession and has earned the respect of his players and peers. To reduce him to preferring a burger or ham sandwich in lieu of creating a good game plan is a stretch and doesn't fly at least with me. Even the best of coaches can only do so much but one thing a coach cannot do is to get too cute or complicated when victory is clearly in sight.  I read carefully Shanahan's explanation of his late 4th quarter drive in the Atlanta/New England superbowl...his ego keeps him from stating the obvious...which is 'I blew it'. Three kneel downs and a field goal would have won the day...but Kyle instead wanted to show off how his passing offense was second to none and so brilliant he could beat the great Bill Belichick in front of God and everyone. In life, we all make mistakes and most of us not on such a grand scale on center stage for all the world to see.  Shanahan has the 'smartest guy in the room' approach and often these guys are their own worst enemy. In fairness to Kyle, he has done a hell of a great job in creating a high caliber team in such a short time. A victory in this game would be his salvation and redemption.  Was bad coaching or a poor game plan the reason that Reid's Eagles lost that superbowl to the Pats? lMO they lost due to poor play at the quarterback position. The moment is just too big for some guys and who can come up big in big games? Sometimes superstars fall short in high profile games...happens a lot.  Chuck Noll the day before the superbowls would remind his players that the team that blocks better and tackles better will win the game. Even his great teams were uptight and nervous prior to these games and knowing this he gave them this simple message to allay their fears.  Hey, who doesn't like a good burger or ham sandwich, and yes I could stand to lose a few pounds myself.  All in all a great writeup BB...

    well said peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2020 - 4:03 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:


    Same thought here. But to each is own. I'd never pay 10% tax on such a big investment(maybe he got -105?) when +105 is available. If SF losses by exactly 1 point then bravo.

    Enjoyed the read BB. Wish you the best of luck. If I do end up playing this game I won't be spending more than 1 unit on any side or total. I think the lines are tight as can be and I think the game will play tight as well.



    I can see your pov, buddy. It might be a tight one but the Niners have been very good to me this year and I would actually feel worse if I bet a unit and one than I would losing 10 units backing them, if that makes sense. Best of luck whatever you decide!
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    Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:


    Same thought here. But to each is own. I'd never pay 10% tax on such a big investment(maybe he got -105?) when +105 is available. If SF losses by exactly 1 point then bravo.

    Enjoyed the read BB. Wish you the best of luck. If I do end up playing this game I won't be spending more than 1 unit on any side or total. I think the lines are tight as can be and I think the game will play tight as well.



    I can see your pov, buddy. It might be a tight one but the Niners have been very good to me this year and I would actually feel worse if I bet a unit and one than I would losing 10 units backing them, if that makes sense. Best of luck whatever you decide!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2020 - 4:10 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by Digitalkarma:

    lol Jack Kervokian.. Kyle does have that killer smile.. 

    sick writeup BB! you have a way with words my friend. you should be a columnist and write for SI.  

    GL to your team 


    Seldom he smiles, and smiles in such a sort

    As if he mocked himself and scorned his spirit.


    Yes, indeed, my friend! Good luck with your play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digitalkarma:

    lol Jack Kervokian.. Kyle does have that killer smile.. 

    sick writeup BB! you have a way with words my friend. you should be a columnist and write for SI.  

    GL to your team 


    Seldom he smiles, and smiles in such a sort

    As if he mocked himself and scorned his spirit.


    Yes, indeed, my friend! Good luck with your play.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2020 - 4:39 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    Excellent Write up 

    San Francisco makes sense to me ...In my opinion the only way they lose is if the WWE wants them to .....

    Best of luck Brother
     Same to you. Always enjoy reading your posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    Excellent Write up 

    San Francisco makes sense to me ...In my opinion the only way they lose is if the WWE wants them to .....

    Best of luck Brother
     Same to you. Always enjoy reading your posts.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2020 - 4:41 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by getem9:

    Did Andy Reid go and win 6 Super Bowls while I wasn't looking...???  I'd re-phrase your second to last sentence to say he is the second best "regular season" coach.  documented choke artist in the playoffs, who has never come up big in any Conf Championship or SB, yet.  He got gifted the Texans and Titans to get a free ticket to Miami this year.  Never got it done b4 that.

    Please explain how he was “gifted” these wins?  If you are implying those two teams were trash and he had the easy road then you might want to re check your metrics.  Tennessee was right up there top 5/6 in dvoa after Tanny took the reigns.  Vikes were there as well but the Packers were out of the top 15 as was Houston.  
    If not and you’re saying he was “gifted” these wins by the NFL then I would look in the mirror and ask yourself “if they gifted Andy here are they not going to gift him his first W?”  an_popcorn

    That last part is could certainly be true. If the refs don’t hand them that win in NE by going momentarily blind, they would probably not be in this spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by getem9:

    Did Andy Reid go and win 6 Super Bowls while I wasn't looking...???  I'd re-phrase your second to last sentence to say he is the second best "regular season" coach.  documented choke artist in the playoffs, who has never come up big in any Conf Championship or SB, yet.  He got gifted the Texans and Titans to get a free ticket to Miami this year.  Never got it done b4 that.

    Please explain how he was “gifted” these wins?  If you are implying those two teams were trash and he had the easy road then you might want to re check your metrics.  Tennessee was right up there top 5/6 in dvoa after Tanny took the reigns.  Vikes were there as well but the Packers were out of the top 15 as was Houston.  
    If not and you’re saying he was “gifted” these wins by the NFL then I would look in the mirror and ask yourself “if they gifted Andy here are they not going to gift him his first W?”  an_popcorn

    That last part is could certainly be true. If the refs don’t hand them that win in NE by going momentarily blind, they would probably not be in this spot.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2020 - 4:42 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by getem9:

    Quote Originally Posted by dyamarik:

    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    It's like you Niner Homers dont remember last years Superbowl of a HOF veteran coach vs the latest young "genius" coach. LMAO. How did that one turn out for Mcvay? I mean the similarities are striking really.  System offense ran by young coach with an overrated system QB who struggles when everything isnt going according to the script that daddy coach has game planned.  [ Goff = Jimmy G ] Then you have a HOF Clutch asf QB who thrives when it all falls apart, teamed up with his HOF veteran coach who is easily the second best coach in the league.  [ Brady = Mahomes ]   Simply put 49ers have zero shot of winning this game.   CHIEFS -1.5 BIG
    Did Andy Reid go and win 6 Super Bowls while I wasn't looking...???  I'd re-phrase your second to last sentence to say he is the second best "regular season" coach.  documented choke artist in the playoffs, who has never come up big in any Conf Championship or SB, yet.  He got gifted the Texans and Titans to get a free ticket to Miami this year.  Never got it done b4 that.
    Please explain how he was “gifted” these wins?  If you are implying those two teams were trash and he had the easy road then you might want to re check your metrics.  Tennessee was right up there top 5/6 in dvoa after Tanny took the reigns.  Vikes were there as well but the Packers were out of the top 15 as was Houston.  If not and you’re saying he was “gifted” these wins by the NFL then I would look in the mirror and ask yourself “if they gifted Andy here are they not going to gift him his first W?”

    Gift Andy the SB ? No, because  the whole point is to bluff and screw  YOU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by getem9:

    Quote Originally Posted by dyamarik:

    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    It's like you Niner Homers dont remember last years Superbowl of a HOF veteran coach vs the latest young "genius" coach. LMAO. How did that one turn out for Mcvay? I mean the similarities are striking really.  System offense ran by young coach with an overrated system QB who struggles when everything isnt going according to the script that daddy coach has game planned.  [ Goff = Jimmy G ] Then you have a HOF Clutch asf QB who thrives when it all falls apart, teamed up with his HOF veteran coach who is easily the second best coach in the league.  [ Brady = Mahomes ]   Simply put 49ers have zero shot of winning this game.   CHIEFS -1.5 BIG
    Did Andy Reid go and win 6 Super Bowls while I wasn't looking...???  I'd re-phrase your second to last sentence to say he is the second best "regular season" coach.  documented choke artist in the playoffs, who has never come up big in any Conf Championship or SB, yet.  He got gifted the Texans and Titans to get a free ticket to Miami this year.  Never got it done b4 that.
    Please explain how he was “gifted” these wins?  If you are implying those two teams were trash and he had the easy road then you might want to re check your metrics.  Tennessee was right up there top 5/6 in dvoa after Tanny took the reigns.  Vikes were there as well but the Packers were out of the top 15 as was Houston.  If not and you’re saying he was “gifted” these wins by the NFL then I would look in the mirror and ask yourself “if they gifted Andy here are they not going to gift him his first W?”

    Gift Andy the SB ? No, because  the whole point is to bluff and screw  YOU.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 25, 2020 - 5:11 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:



    Thanks for the response, uncle. A couple of reasons:

    1) Like you I trust the books more than myself, and they expect this to be a close game. I heard on the radio the other day that when the odds-makers have set a line below 3.5 for the SB those games have usually come down to the wire. Seattle v Denver obviously did not, and the dog won outright, but other than that I believe the information I heard is correct. Also, both championship games were kind of duds, as were the divisional games (except the first half of texans/chiefs and the second half of GB/Seattle) and I'm worried that the NFL may have saved the best for last.

    2) Like Shanahan I too have the memory of an elephant. In 2016 I lost a grand on the Lions when I took the ML instead of grabbing the +1.5 points in a game they lost to Dallas 42-41. That one really hurt, and I have not forgotten the sting. 

    3) the SB is not a regular game or even a playoff game. It is an event! And fluky things happen; like your starting center going on an all night bender and failing to show up for the biggest game of his life:) Or the the lights going out at halftime and killing all your momentum:) Or a team losing 28-3 in the 4th and coming back to win the game:) All this to say, nothing would surprise me (including a last second one point miracle win by the Chiefs) because the unexpected is the norm for this event/game, so why not grab the points at low juice -105?

    I agree with you.  This query favors KS in games with tight pointspreads:

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/POST01/showmessage.aspx?spt=21&sub=103416072
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    Thanks for the response, uncle. A couple of reasons:

    1) Like you I trust the books more than myself, and they expect this to be a close game. I heard on the radio the other day that when the odds-makers have set a line below 3.5 for the SB those games have usually come down to the wire. Seattle v Denver obviously did not, and the dog won outright, but other than that I believe the information I heard is correct. Also, both championship games were kind of duds, as were the divisional games (except the first half of texans/chiefs and the second half of GB/Seattle) and I'm worried that the NFL may have saved the best for last.

    2) Like Shanahan I too have the memory of an elephant. In 2016 I lost a grand on the Lions when I took the ML instead of grabbing the +1.5 points in a game they lost to Dallas 42-41. That one really hurt, and I have not forgotten the sting. 

    3) the SB is not a regular game or even a playoff game. It is an event! And fluky things happen; like your starting center going on an all night bender and failing to show up for the biggest game of his life:) Or the the lights going out at halftime and killing all your momentum:) Or a team losing 28-3 in the 4th and coming back to win the game:) All this to say, nothing would surprise me (including a last second one point miracle win by the Chiefs) because the unexpected is the norm for this event/game, so why not grab the points at low juice -105?

    I agree with you.  This query favors KS in games with tight pointspreads:

    https://www.covers.com/postingforum/POST01/showmessage.aspx?spt=21&sub=103416072
     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2020 - 12:30 AM ET #33

    BB with another virtuoso write up. 

    Here’s my concern with Shanahan. Do you believe his ego is so BIG that he may believe that he can go score for score with KC and win in a shoot out? abandon the run early.


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    BB with another virtuoso write up. 

    Here’s my concern with Shanahan. Do you believe his ego is so BIG that he may believe that he can go score for score with KC and win in a shoot out? abandon the run early.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2020 - 12:52 AM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Seldom he smiles, and smiles in such a sortAs if he mocked himself and scorned his spirit.Yes, indeed, my friend! Good luck with your play.

    Right, I agree and also when BB went on Lettermen Show his smile was a forced and twisted aberration...Jesus, it kills these kinds of guys to smile...they always look as if they just came from a funeral. I never saw Lombardi, Noll, Paul Brown, or Shula smile either. 

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    Seldom he smiles, and smiles in such a sortAs if he mocked himself and scorned his spirit.Yes, indeed, my friend! Good luck with your play.

    Right, I agree and also when BB went on Lettermen Show his smile was a forced and twisted aberration...Jesus, it kills these kinds of guys to smile...they always look as if they just came from a funeral. I never saw Lombardi, Noll, Paul Brown, or Shula smile either. 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2020 - 1:09 AM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:

    BB with another virtuoso write up. 

    Here’s my concern with Shanahan. Do you believe his ego is so BIG that he may believe that he can go score for score with KC and win in a shoot out? abandon the run early.


    That should not worry you if you’re taking over 27 and Jimmy G as MVP. The run is what you should be worried about with those bets. I don’t think Shanahan will be foolish. He will do whatever is necessary to win the game. If that means throwing it 30 times then that is what he will do.
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    BB with another virtuoso write up. 

    Here’s my concern with Shanahan. Do you believe his ego is so BIG that he may believe that he can go score for score with KC and win in a shoot out? abandon the run early.


    That should not worry you if you’re taking over 27 and Jimmy G as MVP. The run is what you should be worried about with those bets. I don’t think Shanahan will be foolish. He will do whatever is necessary to win the game. If that means throwing it 30 times then that is what he will do.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2020 - 1:14 AM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by lancer89074:

    Right, I agree and also when BB went on Lettermen Show his smile was a forced and twisted aberration...Jesus, it kills these kinds of guys to smile...they always look as if they just came from a funeral. I never saw Lombardi, Noll, Paul Brown, or Shula smile either. 

    Hey, that is some good company Shany is in. BB, is much worse than Shany when it comes to expressing emotion and joy so Shany has some catching up to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancer89074:

    Right, I agree and also when BB went on Lettermen Show his smile was a forced and twisted aberration...Jesus, it kills these kinds of guys to smile...they always look as if they just came from a funeral. I never saw Lombardi, Noll, Paul Brown, or Shula smile either. 

    Hey, that is some good company Shany is in. BB, is much worse than Shany when it comes to expressing emotion and joy so Shany has some catching up to do.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2020 - 1:35 AM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    That should not worry you if you’re taking over 27 and Jimmy G as MVP. The run is what you should be worried about with those bets. I don’t think Shanahan will be foolish. He will do whatever is necessary to win the game. If that means throwing it 30 times then that is what he will do.

    Niners put up 37 and 27 respectively in their past 2 playoff games and that was with run heavy packages. Not worried about it. I just hope Shanny doesn’t outsmart himself here.  I’ll be watching this game as a huge Niner fan also. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    That should not worry you if you’re taking over 27 and Jimmy G as MVP. The run is what you should be worried about with those bets. I don’t think Shanahan will be foolish. He will do whatever is necessary to win the game. If that means throwing it 30 times then that is what he will do.

    Niners put up 37 and 27 respectively in their past 2 playoff games and that was with run heavy packages. Not worried about it. I just hope Shanny doesn’t outsmart himself here.  I’ll be watching this game as a huge Niner fan also. 
     
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    I must applaud you for putting so much effort into not just an insightful but rather witty post(s), a few humorously jibes at Reid are fun reading....and I too have found him to be a dense dullard who makes stupifying decisions in the past, despite the praises heaped upon him by many "experts"; perhaps he will get away with it in the SB because of Mahomes miiracle working, but the 49ers are a better team overall...lastly your Shakesphere quote from Julius Ceasar topped it all off most excellentlyan_cheers

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    I must applaud you for putting so much effort into not just an insightful but rather witty post(s), a few humorously jibes at Reid are fun reading....and I too have found him to be a dense dullard who makes stupifying decisions in the past, despite the praises heaped upon him by many "experts"; perhaps he will get away with it in the SB because of Mahomes miiracle working, but the 49ers are a better team overall...lastly your Shakesphere quote from Julius Ceasar topped it all off most excellentlyan_cheers

     
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    BB ^^^

    Agree or disagree, this is an outstanding 'write up'
    appreciate your effort, and a job well done

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    BB ^^^

    Agree or disagree, this is an outstanding 'write up'
    appreciate your effort, and a job well done

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2020 - 8:40 AM ET #40

    https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-areas-of-concern-kansas-city-chiefs-san-francisco-49ers

    Pretty good article here BB. I always look at weakness vs what a team is good at. In this article it seems that they pick on literally one position of the Niners, and mostly Witherspoon who we know got benched.

    While KC's weakness is literally the entire front 7 vs the run. Notice how they mentioned them vs the outside zone run scheme which I mentioned to you in another thread. Maybe Tennessee made the mistake of ditching the run vs KC as they played from behind? I think it will be vital for Shanahan to stick with it, in other words dance with the girl you brought to the dance.

    Just my 2 cents on one aspect of the matchup.
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    https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-areas-of-concern-kansas-city-chiefs-san-francisco-49ers

    Pretty good article here BB. I always look at weakness vs what a team is good at. In this article it seems that they pick on literally one position of the Niners, and mostly Witherspoon who we know got benched.

    While KC's weakness is literally the entire front 7 vs the run. Notice how they mentioned them vs the outside zone run scheme which I mentioned to you in another thread. Maybe Tennessee made the mistake of ditching the run vs KC as they played from behind? I think it will be vital for Shanahan to stick with it, in other words dance with the girl you brought to the dance.

    Just my 2 cents on one aspect of the matchup.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    It's like you Niner Homers dont remember last years Superbowl of a HOF veteran coach vs the latest young "genius" coach. LMAO. How did that one turn out for Mcvay? I mean the similarities are striking really.  System offense ran by young coach with an overrated system QB who struggles when everything isnt going according to the script that daddy coach has game planned.  [ Goff = Jimmy G ] Then you have a HOF Clutch asf QB who thrives when it all falls apart, teamed up with his HOF veteran coach who is easily the second best coach in the league.  [ Brady = Mahomes ]   Simply put 49ers have zero shot of winning this game.   CHIEFS -1.5 BIG
    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    It's like you Niner Homers dont remember last years Superbowl of a HOF veteran coach vs the latest young "genius" coach. LMAO. How did that one turn out for Mcvay? I mean the similarities are striking really.  System offense ran by young coach with an overrated system QB who struggles when everything isnt going according to the script that daddy coach has game planned.  [ Goff = Jimmy G ] Then you have a HOF Clutch asf QB who thrives when it all falls apart, teamed up with his HOF veteran coach who is easily the second best coach in the league.  [ Brady = Mahomes ]   Simply put 49ers have zero shot of winning this game.   CHIEFS -1.5 BIG

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    It's like you Niner Homers dont remember last years Superbowl of a HOF veteran coach vs the latest young "genius" coach. LMAO. How did that one turn out for Mcvay? I mean the similarities are striking really.  System offense ran by young coach with an overrated system QB who struggles when everything isnt going according to the script that daddy coach has game planned.  [ Goff = Jimmy G ] Then you have a HOF Clutch asf QB who thrives when it all falls apart, teamed up with his HOF veteran coach who is easily the second best coach in the league.  [ Brady = Mahomes ]   Simply put 49ers have zero shot of winning this game.   CHIEFS -1.5 BIG
    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    It's like you Niner Homers dont remember last years Superbowl of a HOF veteran coach vs the latest young "genius" coach. LMAO. How did that one turn out for Mcvay? I mean the similarities are striking really.  System offense ran by young coach with an overrated system QB who struggles when everything isnt going according to the script that daddy coach has game planned.  [ Goff = Jimmy G ] Then you have a HOF Clutch asf QB who thrives when it all falls apart, teamed up with his HOF veteran coach who is easily the second best coach in the league.  [ Brady = Mahomes ]   Simply put 49ers have zero shot of winning this game.   CHIEFS -1.5 BIG

    Smoke much crack???

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by getem9:

    Quote Originally Posted by dyamarik:

    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    It's like you Niner Homers dont remember last years Superbowl of a HOF veteran coach vs the latest young "genius" coach. LMAO. How did that one turn out for Mcvay? I mean the similarities are striking really.  System offense ran by young coach with an overrated system QB who struggles when everything isnt going according to the script that daddy coach has game planned.  [ Goff = Jimmy G ] Then you have a HOF Clutch asf QB who thrives when it all falls apart, teamed up with his HOF veteran coach who is easily the second best coach in the league.  [ Brady = Mahomes ]   Simply put 49ers have zero shot of winning this game.   CHIEFS -1.5 BIG
    Did Andy Reid go and win 6 Super Bowls while I wasn't looking...???  I'd re-phrase your second to last sentence to say he is the second best "regular season" coach.  documented choke artist in the playoffs, who has never come up big in any Conf Championship or SB, yet.  He got gifted the Texans and Titans to get a free ticket to Miami this year.  Never got it done b4 that.
    Please explain how he was “gifted” these wins?  If you are implying those two teams were trash and he had the easy road then you might want to re check your metrics.  Tennessee was right up there top 5/6 in dvoa after Tanny took the reigns.  Vikes were there as well but the Packers were out of the top 15 as was Houston.  If not and you’re saying he was “gifted” these wins by the NFL then I would look in the mirror and ask yourself “if they gifted Andy here are they not going to gift him his first W?”

     

    I am arguing poster's comment comparing BB to Andy Reid.  Greatest Coach of all time Vs a coach who is somewhere in the top 25 coaches all time.

    to answer your question:

    a. Houston arguably the worst team to make the playoffs, and they have Bill O'Brien as head coach.  Watson is phenomenal, but he can't win the game all by himself.  I think that covers that team.

    b. Tenn legit, but they were coming off of tough wins at NE and at Baltimore in close games that went to late 4th Q.  That team was flat out tired and beat up, and you could see it in the fourth Q against KC.  Tenn did beat Balt, so again no argument they are legit.  but in doing so, KC gets the Home Field for the conf Championship against a team that was running on fumes, instead of having to play on Road against LJ and the Ravens.  

    KC was more than a TD Favorite in both games, got both games at home, #1 seed eliminated by WC team, Pats nowhere to be found... It goes on and on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by getem9:

    Quote Originally Posted by dyamarik:

    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    It's like you Niner Homers dont remember last years Superbowl of a HOF veteran coach vs the latest young "genius" coach. LMAO. How did that one turn out for Mcvay? I mean the similarities are striking really.  System offense ran by young coach with an overrated system QB who struggles when everything isnt going according to the script that daddy coach has game planned.  [ Goff = Jimmy G ] Then you have a HOF Clutch asf QB who thrives when it all falls apart, teamed up with his HOF veteran coach who is easily the second best coach in the league.  [ Brady = Mahomes ]   Simply put 49ers have zero shot of winning this game.   CHIEFS -1.5 BIG
    Did Andy Reid go and win 6 Super Bowls while I wasn't looking...???  I'd re-phrase your second to last sentence to say he is the second best "regular season" coach.  documented choke artist in the playoffs, who has never come up big in any Conf Championship or SB, yet.  He got gifted the Texans and Titans to get a free ticket to Miami this year.  Never got it done b4 that.
    Please explain how he was “gifted” these wins?  If you are implying those two teams were trash and he had the easy road then you might want to re check your metrics.  Tennessee was right up there top 5/6 in dvoa after Tanny took the reigns.  Vikes were there as well but the Packers were out of the top 15 as was Houston.  If not and you’re saying he was “gifted” these wins by the NFL then I would look in the mirror and ask yourself “if they gifted Andy here are they not going to gift him his first W?”

     

    I am arguing poster's comment comparing BB to Andy Reid.  Greatest Coach of all time Vs a coach who is somewhere in the top 25 coaches all time.

    to answer your question:

    a. Houston arguably the worst team to make the playoffs, and they have Bill O'Brien as head coach.  Watson is phenomenal, but he can't win the game all by himself.  I think that covers that team.

    b. Tenn legit, but they were coming off of tough wins at NE and at Baltimore in close games that went to late 4th Q.  That team was flat out tired and beat up, and you could see it in the fourth Q against KC.  Tenn did beat Balt, so again no argument they are legit.  but in doing so, KC gets the Home Field for the conf Championship against a team that was running on fumes, instead of having to play on Road against LJ and the Ravens.  

    KC was more than a TD Favorite in both games, got both games at home, #1 seed eliminated by WC team, Pats nowhere to be found... It goes on and on...

    peace_5   

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2020 - 11:04 AM ET #43

    Thanks for all the input, fellas. One last thing I did not include in my writeup but think is noteworthy. Last year the Niners lost to the Vikings one, the packers once, the cardinals twice, the Rams twice, and Seattle once. They were 1-7 against those teams. This year they played the same teams and were 8-1! The other team they lost to last year, a game which was the last leg of an 8 team 50$ parlay that would net me 5,000, you guessed it, the Chiefs! LC had a big 7 unit or so play on that game. The Niners were getting +7.5 on the road and I agreed with LC that Shany would get the better of Reid on that day. But things did not go according to plans as the officials had other ideas. The Niners were extremely frustrated all day long as they could not buy a call. They were flagged for almost 150 yards of penalties on that day. But I think that loss will help them on Sunday, just as losing to the Vikes, Packers, Rams, Seattle and the Cardinals has helped them.
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    Thanks for all the input, fellas. One last thing I did not include in my writeup but think is noteworthy. Last year the Niners lost to the Vikings one, the packers once, the cardinals twice, the Rams twice, and Seattle once. They were 1-7 against those teams. This year they played the same teams and were 8-1! The other team they lost to last year, a game which was the last leg of an 8 team 50$ parlay that would net me 5,000, you guessed it, the Chiefs! LC had a big 7 unit or so play on that game. The Niners were getting +7.5 on the road and I agreed with LC that Shany would get the better of Reid on that day. But things did not go according to plans as the officials had other ideas. The Niners were extremely frustrated all day long as they could not buy a call. They were flagged for almost 150 yards of penalties on that day. But I think that loss will help them on Sunday, just as losing to the Vikes, Packers, Rams, Seattle and the Cardinals has helped them.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    It's like you Niner Homers dont remember last years Superbowl of a HOF veteran coach vs the latest young "genius" coach.

    LMAO.

    How did that one turn out for Mcvay?

    I mean the similarities are striking really.  System offense ran by young coach with an overrated system QB who struggles when everything isnt going according to the script that daddy coach has game planned.  [ Goff = Jimmy G ]

    Then you have a HOF Clutch asf QB who thrives when it all falls apart, teamed up with his HOF veteran coach who is easily the second best coach in the league.  [ Brady = Mahomes ]

     

    Simply put 49ers have zero shot of winning this game.  

    CHIEFS -1.5 BIG

     

     

     



    Jimmy G struggles when things aren't going his way ???

    Really ???           Where did you get that info ???

    Jimmy G has   the best QBPR in the league when his team is  trailing in the game.

    Doesn't sound like he struggles to me, he's actually the most efficient QB in the league.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stoidi:

    It's like you Niner Homers dont remember last years Superbowl of a HOF veteran coach vs the latest young "genius" coach.

    LMAO.

    How did that one turn out for Mcvay?

    I mean the similarities are striking really.  System offense ran by young coach with an overrated system QB who struggles when everything isnt going according to the script that daddy coach has game planned.  [ Goff = Jimmy G ]

    Then you have a HOF Clutch asf QB who thrives when it all falls apart, teamed up with his HOF veteran coach who is easily the second best coach in the league.  [ Brady = Mahomes ]

     

    Simply put 49ers have zero shot of winning this game.  

    CHIEFS -1.5 BIG

     

     

     



    Jimmy G struggles when things aren't going his way ???

    Really ???           Where did you get that info ???

    Jimmy G has   the best QBPR in the league when his team is  trailing in the game.

    Doesn't sound like he struggles to me, he's actually the most efficient QB in the league.
     
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    Great Write up as usual.....Keeping it short......I'm on the Niners ML....looking forward to any more insights you have BB....

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    Great Write up as usual.....Keeping it short......I'm on the Niners ML....looking forward to any more insights you have BB....

     
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    Nice writing. I agree 100% re the coaching edge to the 49ers. And you gotta love the allusion to Julius Caesar to justify a football bet. Shakespeare would be grinning ear to ear...

    There is, however, one other matchup that strikes me in this game. It is Joey Bosa on Mahomes. I think Bosa is one of the few players in the league who is quick enough to create havoc in Mahomes' ability to scramble and make plays. Of course Shanahan knows this...how he plays Bosa on Mahomes is gonna be a determining factor in the outcome of this game. Should be fun to watch.

    This SB reminds me of SB 19. It was the Niners vs. the Dolphins that year, Miami the slight fav. Miami and Marino got all the pre-game hype that year too, but SF got the W big time.


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    Nice writing. I agree 100% re the coaching edge to the 49ers. And you gotta love the allusion to Julius Caesar to justify a football bet. Shakespeare would be grinning ear to ear...

    There is, however, one other matchup that strikes me in this game. It is Joey Bosa on Mahomes. I think Bosa is one of the few players in the league who is quick enough to create havoc in Mahomes' ability to scramble and make plays. Of course Shanahan knows this...how he plays Bosa on Mahomes is gonna be a determining factor in the outcome of this game. Should be fun to watch.

    This SB reminds me of SB 19. It was the Niners vs. the Dolphins that year, Miami the slight fav. Miami and Marino got all the pre-game hype that year too, but SF got the W big time.


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    Dream on, you are underestimating and disrespecting the Chiefs

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by skullf:

    Dream on, you are underestimating and disrespecting the Chiefs

    Because  its been standard  protocol  for the league to disrespect them for years obviously. 

    Sunday won't be any different 

     

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    Dream on, you are underestimating and disrespecting the Chiefs

    Because  its been standard  protocol  for the league to disrespect them for years obviously. 

    Sunday won't be any different 

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Quote Originally Posted by getem9:

    Did Andy Reid go and win 6 Super Bowls while I wasn't looking...???  I'd re-phrase your second to last sentence to say he is the second best "regular season" coach.  documented choke artist in the playoffs, who has never come up big in any Conf Championship or SB, yet.  He got gifted the Texans and Titans to get a free ticket to Miami this year.  Never got it done b4 that. Please explain how he was “gifted” these wins?  If you are implying those two teams were trash and he had the easy road then you might want to re check your metrics.  Tennessee was right up there top 5/6 in dvoa after Tanny took the reigns.  Vikes were there as well but the Packers were out of the top 15 as was Houston.  If not and you’re saying he was “gifted” these wins by the NFL then I would look in the mirror and ask yourself “if they gifted Andy here are they not going to gift him his first W?”  
    That last part is could certainly be true. If the refs don’t hand them that win in NE by going momentarily blind, they would probably not be in this spot.

    We both know that is very debatable....give NE that TD and yes it's a whole different ball game but way too much time left in that game to make that conclusion.  The in-explainable loss to the Dolphins week 17 is fishier to me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by getem9:

    Did Andy Reid go and win 6 Super Bowls while I wasn't looking...???  I'd re-phrase your second to last sentence to say he is the second best "regular season" coach.  documented choke artist in the playoffs, who has never come up big in any Conf Championship or SB, yet.  He got gifted the Texans and Titans to get a free ticket to Miami this year.  Never got it done b4 that. Please explain how he was “gifted” these wins?  If you are implying those two teams were trash and he had the easy road then you might want to re check your metrics.  Tennessee was right up there top 5/6 in dvoa after Tanny took the reigns.  Vikes were there as well but the Packers were out of the top 15 as was Houston.  If not and you’re saying he was “gifted” these wins by the NFL then I would look in the mirror and ask yourself “if they gifted Andy here are they not going to gift him his first W?”  
    That last part is could certainly be true. If the refs don’t hand them that win in NE by going momentarily blind, they would probably not be in this spot.

    We both know that is very debatable....give NE that TD and yes it's a whole different ball game but way too much time left in that game to make that conclusion.  The in-explainable loss to the Dolphins week 17 is fishier to me...

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