As we have all witnessed the end of these games have so many crazy endings where nothing should surprise you. With Dallas still having 3 timeouts and the two minute warning to stop the clock the marginally prudent decision is to kick the extra point and stay in the game and expect your defense to do its part.
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As we have all witnessed the end of these games have so many crazy endings where nothing should surprise you. With Dallas still having 3 timeouts and the two minute warning to stop the clock the marginally prudent decision is to kick the extra point and stay in the game and expect your defense to do its part.
If your down 15 points with 2 minutes left you kick the field goal because its the higher percentage play. You leave the lower percentage conversion to the last attempt. I took Dallas and I wish they had your logic but I've never seen your logic used.
It's been explained already but why do you leave the lower conversion attempt for the last attempt? Take each post touchdown conversion attempt in a vacuum. Do you somehow make a possible second 2 point conversion attempt on the last attempt more often than you do on an initial attempt? Many of you are trying to explain that you'd rather succeed/fail later than earlier and it doesn't make any sense. You gain information in knowing you now need seven/nine points if you convert/fail on the first attempt. You gain nothing by just making it an eight point game.
What use is this extra information you're suggesting you'll obtain with only 2 minutes remaining???? If you miss the 2 pt conversion you went from being able to being down by 7 vs 9? Time in the game plays a huge part here. How do you suggest getting the ball back twice in 2 minutes? An onside kick???? Only 4 out of 52 attempts were successful this year.
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Quote Originally Posted by KawpKoonKup:
Quote Originally Posted by The_Closer:
If your down 15 points with 2 minutes left you kick the field goal because its the higher percentage play. You leave the lower percentage conversion to the last attempt. I took Dallas and I wish they had your logic but I've never seen your logic used.
It's been explained already but why do you leave the lower conversion attempt for the last attempt? Take each post touchdown conversion attempt in a vacuum. Do you somehow make a possible second 2 point conversion attempt on the last attempt more often than you do on an initial attempt? Many of you are trying to explain that you'd rather succeed/fail later than earlier and it doesn't make any sense. You gain information in knowing you now need seven/nine points if you convert/fail on the first attempt. You gain nothing by just making it an eight point game.
What use is this extra information you're suggesting you'll obtain with only 2 minutes remaining???? If you miss the 2 pt conversion you went from being able to being down by 7 vs 9? Time in the game plays a huge part here. How do you suggest getting the ball back twice in 2 minutes? An onside kick???? Only 4 out of 52 attempts were successful this year.
Yeah, forget the Xtra Point or the two discussion.
There’s not a discussion if you go up by two scores with a FG on 4th and 1.
ONLY McVay and Ron Rivera (and maybe not even him) got for it there. I was blown away he went for the TD.
McVay's successful river boat gambling on that 4th and goal at one yard line made him looked good. He should have Rams kicked the FG instead of going for that TD, Rams made that TD and McVay looked awesome but he should have called a chip shot FG and up by two scores with limited time left in the game. McVay got away with such a blown call and looked good. Such blown call might bite his behind in the future.
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
Yeah, forget the Xtra Point or the two discussion.
There’s not a discussion if you go up by two scores with a FG on 4th and 1.
ONLY McVay and Ron Rivera (and maybe not even him) got for it there. I was blown away he went for the TD.
McVay's successful river boat gambling on that 4th and goal at one yard line made him looked good. He should have Rams kicked the FG instead of going for that TD, Rams made that TD and McVay looked awesome but he should have called a chip shot FG and up by two scores with limited time left in the game. McVay got away with such a blown call and looked good. Such blown call might bite his behind in the future.
Does anyone have a dirty feeling that McVay is the new Pete Rose? Going for the td at the end instead of the automatic fg?
Yeah, forget the Xtra Point or the two discussion.There’s not a discussion if you go up by two scores with a FG on 4th and 1.ONLY McVay and Ron Rivera (and maybe not even him) got for it there. I was blown away he went for the TD.
Glad to see someone got my drift...McVay is creating a brand for himself, the type of new aged nfl coach which millenials will gravitate towards...the nfl will surely promote his aggressive tendencies and youthful exuberance on the sidelines, and now the trickle down head coaching economics will be the new Cardinals coaches burden, and whomever follows...the times are changing...looking back at the gameflow, other than pure cockiness and sheer adrenaline, McVay's decision to go for the td on 4th and 1 to go up 15 instead of kicking the fg to go up 11 is simply stuff us classic cappers just cant predict anymore...anyone with experience and knowledge of how an nfl playoff game works would agree the standard move was to kick the fg...but hey, McVay rolled the dice and it worked...good for him, nice to see him get rewarded as really the guy has worked hard to get to where he is at such a young age.
Maybe people here dont even know who Pete Rose is, and im just an old fart in covers...its all good.
Victory Belongs to the Most Tenacious
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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:
Does anyone have a dirty feeling that McVay is the new Pete Rose? Going for the td at the end instead of the automatic fg?
Yeah, forget the Xtra Point or the two discussion.There’s not a discussion if you go up by two scores with a FG on 4th and 1.ONLY McVay and Ron Rivera (and maybe not even him) got for it there. I was blown away he went for the TD.
Glad to see someone got my drift...McVay is creating a brand for himself, the type of new aged nfl coach which millenials will gravitate towards...the nfl will surely promote his aggressive tendencies and youthful exuberance on the sidelines, and now the trickle down head coaching economics will be the new Cardinals coaches burden, and whomever follows...the times are changing...looking back at the gameflow, other than pure cockiness and sheer adrenaline, McVay's decision to go for the td on 4th and 1 to go up 15 instead of kicking the fg to go up 11 is simply stuff us classic cappers just cant predict anymore...anyone with experience and knowledge of how an nfl playoff game works would agree the standard move was to kick the fg...but hey, McVay rolled the dice and it worked...good for him, nice to see him get rewarded as really the guy has worked hard to get to where he is at such a young age.
Maybe people here dont even know who Pete Rose is, and im just an old fart in covers...its all good.
Most of those saying you go for 2 on the first TD have never played or coached football- kick it first and then go for 2 when you have to- end of story- the emotions of missing the 2 on the first touchdown are such that the team will not be motivated to score twice afterwards- I don't care how you look at it- emotions > math
This. First off, i'd like to say this is the dumbest "Sharks vs. Jets" argument I have ever heard. And the OP is wrong. In theory, he is right. Mathematically 8+7 is the same as 7+8 and from a probability stand point, you figure it makes sense to know you need a third score earlier than late. However theory does not always match with what's practical. In these situations, the odds of getting the ball back for a third score are almost zero. You go into it knowing it comes down to two possesions or nothing. So, if the games going to be over, you don't want it to be on that play. You go for one to avoid the emotional deflation that comes with missing a two. You want your special teams and defenss playing like they still have a shot at winning. And that is why every team goes for one.
TIME TO BRING BACK THE OBAMA CAGES!
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Quote Originally Posted by blowoutgm:
Most of those saying you go for 2 on the first TD have never played or coached football- kick it first and then go for 2 when you have to- end of story- the emotions of missing the 2 on the first touchdown are such that the team will not be motivated to score twice afterwards- I don't care how you look at it- emotions > math
This. First off, i'd like to say this is the dumbest "Sharks vs. Jets" argument I have ever heard. And the OP is wrong. In theory, he is right. Mathematically 8+7 is the same as 7+8 and from a probability stand point, you figure it makes sense to know you need a third score earlier than late. However theory does not always match with what's practical. In these situations, the odds of getting the ball back for a third score are almost zero. You go into it knowing it comes down to two possesions or nothing. So, if the games going to be over, you don't want it to be on that play. You go for one to avoid the emotional deflation that comes with missing a two. You want your special teams and defenss playing like they still have a shot at winning. And that is why every team goes for one.
This. First off, i'd like to say this is the dumbest "Sharks vs. Jets" argument I have ever heard. And the OP is wrong. In theory, he is right. Mathematically 8+7 is the same as 7+8 and from a probability stand point, you figure it makes sense to know you need a third score earlier than late. However theory does not always match with what's practical. In these situations, the odds of getting the ball back for a third score are almost zero. You go into it knowing it comes down to two possesions or nothing. So, if the games going to be over, you don't want it to be on that play. You go for one to avoid the emotional deflation that comes with missing a two. You want your special teams and defenss playing like they still have a shot at winning. And that is why every team goes for one.
Practical? You play to win the game. Going for 2 on the 1st TD as opposed to 2nd drive will always increase your chances of winning. Why are you attempting to delay your emotional deflation by 1 or 2 minutes gametime?
Nearly every team goes for 1 because coaches don't like to be second guessed when they fail. By going for 1, they absolve themselves of criticism. It's exactly why weaker coaches kick field goals instead of going for it on 4th and 1 from the 10 yard line. Or punt from the 45 yard line instead of going for it on say 4th and 5.
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
This. First off, i'd like to say this is the dumbest "Sharks vs. Jets" argument I have ever heard. And the OP is wrong. In theory, he is right. Mathematically 8+7 is the same as 7+8 and from a probability stand point, you figure it makes sense to know you need a third score earlier than late. However theory does not always match with what's practical. In these situations, the odds of getting the ball back for a third score are almost zero. You go into it knowing it comes down to two possesions or nothing. So, if the games going to be over, you don't want it to be on that play. You go for one to avoid the emotional deflation that comes with missing a two. You want your special teams and defenss playing like they still have a shot at winning. And that is why every team goes for one.
Practical? You play to win the game. Going for 2 on the 1st TD as opposed to 2nd drive will always increase your chances of winning. Why are you attempting to delay your emotional deflation by 1 or 2 minutes gametime?
Nearly every team goes for 1 because coaches don't like to be second guessed when they fail. By going for 1, they absolve themselves of criticism. It's exactly why weaker coaches kick field goals instead of going for it on 4th and 1 from the 10 yard line. Or punt from the 45 yard line instead of going for it on say 4th and 5.
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