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Quote Originally Posted by Steven19083:
You're being very insulting and arrogant, and I don't know why. I'm not sure if you're distorting the arguement so badly because you genuinely don't understand English too well (is English your 2nd language?) or if you have me confused with another poster and you're combining our 2 separate arguments into 1. There are several points here:
1) You are pretending this is a discussion about rigged vs not rigged. That's BS. I've stated on several occasions I think rigs are real. Even in this very thread I've posted that I think rigs are real. Just this week I did a write up saying I'm avoiding betting the Panthers because it's suspicious (of a rig):
https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=21&sub=102200097
This isn't a discussion about whether rigs are real or not. Stop making strawman arguments.
2) You're pretending last night's Patriots game supports your theory ("The NFL will rig this match so that the Patriots win because undefeated Panthers vs undefeated Patriots is a great storyline ... the NFL will also rig this match so that Denver covers"). Last night's game proves your theory wrong not correct.
If the NFL wanted the Patriots to win because it's a good storyline, why did they ignore the penalty late into the game when the Patriots were up by a few points, where a Broncos player held the face mask? That would have been the perfect call for your theory because it would have reversed the Broncos TD that put them in the lead.
If the game is so controlled that the NFL scripts it ahead of time based on story, why did they let the Patriots take a 14 point lead into the 4th quarter, which makes them rigging a cover of the 2.5-point spread all the more obvious?
Why does the NFL even care about rigging a spread's cover? That's something Vegas cares about not the NFL.
3) You still haven't addressed the thing we're talking about: my claim that surgical rigs controlling the game's score down to a 1-2 point margin are nearly impossible in football (unless many key players are bought) ... which if you're not paying attention, last night's game supports.
If anyone is rigging spreads, it's Vegas or betting rings not the NFL. The NFL couldn't care less about spreads. And when Vegas/Betting Rings do rig games, it's nothing even remotely refined or surgical. It's crude and obvious. It relies on crooked refs and weak links on a team.
I stand by my original comment which started this discussion between us, incase you've forgot:
A rig that's so surgical it falls within a 3 point spread goes beyond the usual avenues people discuss in a rigged game such as bad referee calls, etc. You're talking about something that would have to involve the entire team here. A fine control of every aspect of the score.
Keep in mind, this surgical rig did not happen last night and your claim is NOT supported by last night game. If anything, last night proves my theory that rigs are crude and can not be surgical enough to both control a winner AND keep the winning margin within 1-2 points. That's a taaaaaaaaaaaaall order to fill and would need almost the entire team behind to script.
Look, in the end, I think this discussion is silly. We're obviously on the same side here (games are rigged / suspicious) and having an argument over who is doing the rigs and how surgical these rigs are seems like a waste of time to me. I'd rather focus on methods of identifying them ahead of time and profiting off them so that we can all kick the bookies in the nuts together
You're being very insulting and arrogant, and I don't know why. I'm not sure if you're distorting the arguement so badly because you genuinely don't understand English too well (is English your 2nd language?) or if you have me confused with another poster and you're combining our 2 separate arguments into 1. There are several points here:
1) You are pretending this is a discussion about rigged vs not rigged. That's BS. I've stated on several occasions I think rigs are real. Even in this very thread I've posted that I think rigs are real. Just this week I did a write up saying I'm avoiding betting the Panthers because it's suspicious (of a rig):
https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=21&sub=102200097
This isn't a discussion about whether rigs are real or not. Stop making strawman arguments.
2) You're pretending last night's Patriots game supports your theory ("The NFL will rig this match so that the Patriots win because undefeated Panthers vs undefeated Patriots is a great storyline ... the NFL will also rig this match so that Denver covers"). Last night's game proves your theory wrong not correct.
If the NFL wanted the Patriots to win because it's a good storyline, why did they ignore the penalty late into the game when the Patriots were up by a few points, where a Broncos player held the face mask? That would have been the perfect call for your theory because it would have reversed the Broncos TD that put them in the lead.
If the game is so controlled that the NFL scripts it ahead of time based on story, why did they let the Patriots take a 14 point lead into the 4th quarter, which makes them rigging a cover of the 2.5-point spread all the more obvious?
Why does the NFL even care about rigging a spread's cover? That's something Vegas cares about not the NFL.
3) You still haven't addressed the thing we're talking about: my claim that surgical rigs controlling the game's score down to a 1-2 point margin are nearly impossible in football (unless many key players are bought) ... which if you're not paying attention, last night's game supports.
If anyone is rigging spreads, it's Vegas or betting rings not the NFL. The NFL couldn't care less about spreads. And when Vegas/Betting Rings do rig games, it's nothing even remotely refined or surgical. It's crude and obvious. It relies on crooked refs and weak links on a team.
I stand by my original comment which started this discussion between us, incase you've forgot:
A rig that's so surgical it falls within a 3 point spread goes beyond the usual avenues people discuss in a rigged game such as bad referee calls, etc. You're talking about something that would have to involve the entire team here. A fine control of every aspect of the score.
Keep in mind, this surgical rig did not happen last night and your claim is NOT supported by last night game. If anything, last night proves my theory that rigs are crude and can not be surgical enough to both control a winner AND keep the winning margin within 1-2 points. That's a taaaaaaaaaaaaall order to fill and would need almost the entire team behind to script.
Look, in the end, I think this discussion is silly. We're obviously on the same side here (games are rigged / suspicious) and having an argument over who is doing the rigs and how surgical these rigs are seems like a waste of time to me. I'd rather focus on methods of identifying them ahead of time and profiting off them so that we can all kick the bookies in the nuts together
What do you mean why would they let Patriots take a 14 point lead going into 4th quarter? Why wouldn't they? People were slamming the Patriots ML the whole game live i think going into the fourth quarter the live bet was -5000. i wonder how many people got fcked going all in there were some on covers and they had gone all in live bet during the game exactly what vegas wanted making everyone think pats were going to win stay undefeated then as planned, vegas pulls the plugs and fcks pats with bull calls to get the cashcow. no way they would let all those millions of dollars on pats be up for the chase they were going to take it yes or yes
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