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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2012 - 9:07 PM ET #176

    Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

    Scalabrine excels at turning something so simplistic into a novel of complete, complex bullshit. He should be a defense attorney, because he RARELY focuses on the argument at hand.  

    How can a guy this well-versed in grammar be nothing more than a race-baiting asshole?  I just hope my heart and soul never turns as dark as his.  What a miserable, pathetic, lonely existence it would be to live in a shell of hatred.



    I am STILL waiting for scalabrine to answer the question that I had asked 1/2 a dozen times.

    If you knew that George Zimmerman was Hispanic, would you have still made this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

    Scalabrine excels at turning something so simplistic into a novel of complete, complex bullshit. He should be a defense attorney, because he RARELY focuses on the argument at hand.  

    How can a guy this well-versed in grammar be nothing more than a race-baiting asshole?  I just hope my heart and soul never turns as dark as his.  What a miserable, pathetic, lonely existence it would be to live in a shell of hatred.



    I am STILL waiting for scalabrine to answer the question that I had asked 1/2 a dozen times.

    If you knew that George Zimmerman was Hispanic, would you have still made this thread?

     
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2012 - 9:30 PM ET #177

    i'm sorry, i had to create a username just to say this....HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE!!! HISPANICS can be white, black or anything in between. all hispanic means is someone speaks spanish. they could be descendants of the colonizer spaniards or of a mix of colonizer spaniards and the native indiands, or just native indians who had been colonized in south or central america. so stop throwing around the word hispanic as IT. MEANS. NOTHING as far as RACE is concerned.
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    i'm sorry, i had to create a username just to say this....HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE!!! HISPANICS can be white, black or anything in between. all hispanic means is someone speaks spanish. they could be descendants of the colonizer spaniards or of a mix of colonizer spaniards and the native indiands, or just native indians who had been colonized in south or central america. so stop throwing around the word hispanic as IT. MEANS. NOTHING as far as RACE is concerned.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2012 - 9:43 PM ET #178

    Quote Originally Posted by crod1980:



    I am STILL waiting for scalabrine to answer the question that I had asked 1/2 a dozen times.

    If you knew that George Zimmerman was Hispanic, would you have still made this thread?

    No, but he would never admit it.  He blames the NEWS instead of himself for being completely wrong.  All he had to do was say it was a horrible oversight by HIMSELF, apologize profusely, and the thread would have died.  And actually by doing this, he could promote and encourage civil race discussions in the future.   

    But that is not how racists like Scalabrine operate.  They will never take responsibility for their mistakes, but instead continue to stir up hatred.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by crod1980:



    I am STILL waiting for scalabrine to answer the question that I had asked 1/2 a dozen times.

    If you knew that George Zimmerman was Hispanic, would you have still made this thread?

    No, but he would never admit it.  He blames the NEWS instead of himself for being completely wrong.  All he had to do was say it was a horrible oversight by HIMSELF, apologize profusely, and the thread would have died.  And actually by doing this, he could promote and encourage civil race discussions in the future.   

    But that is not how racists like Scalabrine operate.  They will never take responsibility for their mistakes, but instead continue to stir up hatred.

     

     
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2012 - 9:55 PM ET #179

    Quote Originally Posted by djs1975:

    i'm sorry, i had to create a username just to say this....HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE!!! HISPANICS can be white, black or anything in between. all hispanic means is someone speaks spanish. they could be descendants of the colonizer spaniards or of a mix of colonizer spaniards and the native indiands, or just native indians who had been colonized in south or central america. so stop throwing around the word hispanic as IT. MEANS. NOTHING as far as RACE is concerned.


    I am 30 years old, 1/4 Asian, and born in the United States and you are telling me that if I take a Spanish course and learn to speak Spanish fluently,  that in turn makes me Hispanic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by djs1975:

    i'm sorry, i had to create a username just to say this....HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE!!! HISPANICS can be white, black or anything in between. all hispanic means is someone speaks spanish. they could be descendants of the colonizer spaniards or of a mix of colonizer spaniards and the native indiands, or just native indians who had been colonized in south or central america. so stop throwing around the word hispanic as IT. MEANS. NOTHING as far as RACE is concerned.


    I am 30 years old, 1/4 Asian, and born in the United States and you are telling me that if I take a Spanish course and learn to speak Spanish fluently,  that in turn makes me Hispanic?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 18, 2012 - 10:15 PM ET #180

    Quote Originally Posted by crod1980:



    I am 30 years old, 1/4 Asian, and born in the United States and you are telling me that if I take a Spanish course and learn to speak Spanish fluently,  that in turn makes me Hispanic?

    ok i apologize, all hispanic means is someone OF spanish speaking descent. IE anyone born in spain or any of the spanish speaking countries of south or central america. you do not actually have to speak spanish to be hispanic (IE a person of Spanish descent born in the US and only speaking english...still hispanic). read the US census it's all described there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crod1980:



    I am 30 years old, 1/4 Asian, and born in the United States and you are telling me that if I take a Spanish course and learn to speak Spanish fluently,  that in turn makes me Hispanic?

    ok i apologize, all hispanic means is someone OF spanish speaking descent. IE anyone born in spain or any of the spanish speaking countries of south or central america. you do not actually have to speak spanish to be hispanic (IE a person of Spanish descent born in the US and only speaking english...still hispanic). read the US census it's all described there.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2012 - 12:25 AM ET #181

    Quote Originally Posted by crod1980:



    I am STILL waiting for scalabrine to answer the question that I had asked 1/2 a dozen times.

    If you knew that George Zimmerman was Hispanic, would you have still made this thread?


    You persist in writing this is big bold print when the answer has already been provided in Post #172 where you asked the question in post #86 and I answered it. The 4th paragraph of post #85 also answers it.

    I love the dominant intellectual culture of thought from whites (you said 'I am white' in post #18 and that is how you defined yourself which I respect and we need not quibble about any percentage Asian heritage as that is not the point), as though this is some original argument. Whites all over the web are now saying A HISPANIC DID IT, CASE CLOSED!

    I repeat, you could hear a mouse fart when that was announced in the black community. Nothing changed. The police were no less irresponsible in not bringing a man in for the crime or at least detaining him! THAT is where the outrage comes in.

    From my perspective, again, there are many questions. Why was this man identified as 'white' for weeks? You believe it was the 'lib media' but very conservative outlets (Fox News affiliates) were reporting his race as they were told...that is, as white. 

    The police came to the scene and he could have easily self identified himself as white and they could have reported it as such. Also, he could identified himself to the media as white. I respect his identification just as I respect yours. But his matters.

    It took a desperate father, three weeks later, to come out and affirm that his son was Hispanic. This man could be 90% white for all we know. What is whiteness? If he identifies himself as white, am I going to challenge his 'whiteness' because he has blood in him that typically hails from Spanish speaking countries?

    The point, as you misconstrued many, many times, is that his whiteness matters. But what matters much more WAS IN THE TITLE OF THE THREAD and said countlessly throughout the OP of which you are still in denial. THE POLICE have marginalized this boy's life and this family's grief.

    Why post the OP?

    As I have said MANY times, it gives covers a balanced view from the 'other side,' one this forum is severely lacking in.  

    What question should covers members ask themselves?

    Why the police inaction, manipulation, and mishandling of this case in the face of an unarmed deceased black boy?

    What else should they ask themselves? 

    Well you pointed out the interesting twist in this case (you were late but it came true like Manna from heaven). Why was this man identified as white for weeks while no one said anything? Was it in the police report and did he self-identify himself as white? That matters. Because for all the police knew, this could have been a white man and who would tell him otherwise with the following:

    A) He has a name of George Zimmerman
    B) He's a neighborhood watchman in a mostly white gated community
    C) In the dark of night with bruises, this can easily pass for a white male. 

    Maybe the police were giving preference to a Hispanic man over a black man? Impossible? Not in a place like Florida with such a large number of Hispanics. 

    All in all, the police refuse to arrest him and that matters. So did their perception of race at the scene. 

    Consider all that before you ask me the same question IN BIG BLACK FONT AGAIN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crod1980:



    I am STILL waiting for scalabrine to answer the question that I had asked 1/2 a dozen times.

    If you knew that George Zimmerman was Hispanic, would you have still made this thread?


    You persist in writing this is big bold print when the answer has already been provided in Post #172 where you asked the question in post #86 and I answered it. The 4th paragraph of post #85 also answers it.

    I love the dominant intellectual culture of thought from whites (you said 'I am white' in post #18 and that is how you defined yourself which I respect and we need not quibble about any percentage Asian heritage as that is not the point), as though this is some original argument. Whites all over the web are now saying A HISPANIC DID IT, CASE CLOSED!

    I repeat, you could hear a mouse fart when that was announced in the black community. Nothing changed. The police were no less irresponsible in not bringing a man in for the crime or at least detaining him! THAT is where the outrage comes in.

    From my perspective, again, there are many questions. Why was this man identified as 'white' for weeks? You believe it was the 'lib media' but very conservative outlets (Fox News affiliates) were reporting his race as they were told...that is, as white. 

    The police came to the scene and he could have easily self identified himself as white and they could have reported it as such. Also, he could identified himself to the media as white. I respect his identification just as I respect yours. But his matters.

    It took a desperate father, three weeks later, to come out and affirm that his son was Hispanic. This man could be 90% white for all we know. What is whiteness? If he identifies himself as white, am I going to challenge his 'whiteness' because he has blood in him that typically hails from Spanish speaking countries?

    The point, as you misconstrued many, many times, is that his whiteness matters. But what matters much more WAS IN THE TITLE OF THE THREAD and said countlessly throughout the OP of which you are still in denial. THE POLICE have marginalized this boy's life and this family's grief.

    Why post the OP?

    As I have said MANY times, it gives covers a balanced view from the 'other side,' one this forum is severely lacking in.  

    What question should covers members ask themselves?

    Why the police inaction, manipulation, and mishandling of this case in the face of an unarmed deceased black boy?

    What else should they ask themselves? 

    Well you pointed out the interesting twist in this case (you were late but it came true like Manna from heaven). Why was this man identified as white for weeks while no one said anything? Was it in the police report and did he self-identify himself as white? That matters. Because for all the police knew, this could have been a white man and who would tell him otherwise with the following:

    A) He has a name of George Zimmerman
    B) He's a neighborhood watchman in a mostly white gated community
    C) In the dark of night with bruises, this can easily pass for a white male. 

    Maybe the police were giving preference to a Hispanic man over a black man? Impossible? Not in a place like Florida with such a large number of Hispanics. 

    All in all, the police refuse to arrest him and that matters. So did their perception of race at the scene. 

    Consider all that before you ask me the same question IN BIG BLACK FONT AGAIN.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2012 - 12:27 AM ET #182

    Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

    No, but he would never admit it.  He blames the NEWS instead of himself for being completely wrong.  All he had to do was say it was a horrible oversight by HIMSELF, apologize profusely, and the thread would have died.  And actually by doing this, he could promote and encourage civil race discussions in the future.   

    But that is not how racists like Scalabrine operate.  They will never take responsibility for their mistakes, but instead continue to stir up hatred.

     


    Good lord. It wasn't a horrible oversight! The revelation came AFTER MY OP. You can read through this thread for an explanation.

    Why don't you admit that to YOURSELF and get on with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardofroz:

    No, but he would never admit it.  He blames the NEWS instead of himself for being completely wrong.  All he had to do was say it was a horrible oversight by HIMSELF, apologize profusely, and the thread would have died.  And actually by doing this, he could promote and encourage civil race discussions in the future.   

    But that is not how racists like Scalabrine operate.  They will never take responsibility for their mistakes, but instead continue to stir up hatred.

     


    Good lord. It wasn't a horrible oversight! The revelation came AFTER MY OP. You can read through this thread for an explanation.

    Why don't you admit that to YOURSELF and get on with it.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2012 - 12:28 AM ET #183

    Quote Originally Posted by djs1975:

    i'm sorry, i had to create a username just to say this....HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE!!! HISPANICS can be white, black or anything in between. all hispanic means is someone speaks spanish. they could be descendants of the colonizer spaniards or of a mix of colonizer spaniards and the native indiands, or just native indians who had been colonized in south or central america. so stop throwing around the word hispanic as IT. MEANS. NOTHING as far as RACE is concerned.

    That is correct. It is not a race. I have noted that already in this thread as well. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by djs1975:

    i'm sorry, i had to create a username just to say this....HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE!!! HISPANICS can be white, black or anything in between. all hispanic means is someone speaks spanish. they could be descendants of the colonizer spaniards or of a mix of colonizer spaniards and the native indiands, or just native indians who had been colonized in south or central america. so stop throwing around the word hispanic as IT. MEANS. NOTHING as far as RACE is concerned.

    That is correct. It is not a race. I have noted that already in this thread as well. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    Good lord. It wasn't a horrible oversight! The revelation came AFTER MY OP. You can read through this thread for an explanation.

    Why don't you admit that to YOURSELF and get on with it.


    Yes it most certainly was a horrible oversight as you thinking that George Zimmerman being WHITE was your entire basis for your Original Post and the structure for this thread.

    Don't try and play stupid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    Good lord. It wasn't a horrible oversight! The revelation came AFTER MY OP. You can read through this thread for an explanation.

    Why don't you admit that to YOURSELF and get on with it.


    Yes it most certainly was a horrible oversight as you thinking that George Zimmerman being WHITE was your entire basis for your Original Post and the structure for this thread.

    Don't try and play stupid.
     
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    You guys are wasting a lot of time and effort bitching back and forth by the way. It's incredible. 
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    You guys are wasting a lot of time and effort bitching back and forth by the way. It's incredible. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djs1975:

    i'm sorry, i had to create a username just to say this....HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE!!! HISPANICS can be white, black or anything in between. all hispanic means is someone speaks spanish. they could be descendants of the colonizer spaniards or of a mix of colonizer spaniards and the native indiands, or just native indians who had been colonized in south or central america. so stop throwing around the word hispanic as IT. MEANS. NOTHING as far as RACE is concerned.
    there goes hispanic history month.
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    i'm sorry, i had to create a username just to say this....HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE!!! HISPANICS can be white, black or anything in between. all hispanic means is someone speaks spanish. they could be descendants of the colonizer spaniards or of a mix of colonizer spaniards and the native indiands, or just native indians who had been colonized in south or central america. so stop throwing around the word hispanic as IT. MEANS. NOTHING as far as RACE is concerned.
    there goes hispanic history month.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2012 - 12:41 AM ET #187

    And being Hispanic relates to someone's origin, which is what I have been stating this entire thread.
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    And being Hispanic relates to someone's origin, which is what I have been stating this entire thread.
     
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    Posted: Mar. 19, 2012 - 11:24 PM ET #189

    White people dont riot. They build ponzi schemes to steal yoor money, not wait til your business is on fire to steal a flat screen......
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    White people dont riot. They build ponzi schemes to steal yoor money, not wait til your business is on fire to steal a flat screen......
     
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2012 - 12:01 AM ET #190

    lets play the victum, 0% chance of this guy starting a thread about a white boy being burned, i hoped after a black president this stuff would stop
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    That is correct. It is not a race. I have noted that already in this thread as well. 

    First, some states/determinations say it's not, but we all know Hispanics are not known as black or white, and they are proud of that, which they should be

    Second, in your original post, in paragraph 5, you distinguished Blacks AND HISPANICS....if you were so positive about that not being a race, why did you write it like that?  You got owned in this thread, you are a joke and a loser....END OF STORY
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    That is correct. It is not a race. I have noted that already in this thread as well. 

    First, some states/determinations say it's not, but we all know Hispanics are not known as black or white, and they are proud of that, which they should be

    Second, in your original post, in paragraph 5, you distinguished Blacks AND HISPANICS....if you were so positive about that not being a race, why did you write it like that?  You got owned in this thread, you are a joke and a loser....END OF STORY
     
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    https://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station


    https://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station


    https://thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/8545-philadelphia-milwaukee-city-officials-black-violence-must-stop


    https://articles.philly.com/2012-01-19/news/30643556_1_olney-attackers-mcclay
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    https://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-03-04/news/31122324_1_white-boy-fire-tv-station


    https://thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/8545-philadelphia-milwaukee-city-officials-black-violence-must-stop


    https://articles.philly.com/2012-01-19/news/30643556_1_olney-attackers-mcclay
     
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2012 - 8:40 AM ET #193

    Quote Originally Posted by crod1980:



    Yes it most certainly was a horrible oversight as you thinking that George Zimmerman being WHITE was your entire basis for your Original Post and the structure for this thread.

    Don't try and play stupid.

    We are #193 posts into this thread and you STILL are sticking to the same argument you made in Post #3. Unfortunately, at that time, it was not known. It could have been surmised based on physical appearance, but it was NOT FACT at that time.

    If you can prove otherwise AT THAT TIME, go ahead. I'll be here.

    And again, it WAS NOT THE BASIS FOR THE THREAD. The title says otherwise. IT WAS A FACTOR THOUGH!

    The lead-in says otherwise. The conclusion and numbered bullets say otherwise.

    Then at 10:42 EST, Zimmerman's father identified him as a Hispanic in a DESPERATE attempt to paint his son as someone who was not a racist (i.e. multiracial).

    White guys like you, and others here, eat it up and it's CASE CLOSED!

    Well guess what, his race did matter in the OP as I already have conceded. And he could have self-identified himself as white. How was he white otherwise according to the national media? Who reported that? The police? The man himself?

    Those last two are key because the police could have thought they were dealing with a white male.

    HE WAS A SELF-APPOINTED NIGHT WATCHMAN IN A MOSTLY WHITE GATED COMMUNITY AFTER ALL...

    Anyhow, the world is still turning after the letter from Zimmerman's father. People are STILL OUTRAGED AT THE COPS due to the fact their has been NO ARRESTS.

    The bottom line:

    You're post # 3 was inaccurate at the time of posting.
    My OP was accurate at the time of posting.

    Even after he was identified as Hispanic by his father, this does not let the cops off the hook! How in the WORLD could you read my OP and not believe one of the major overriding themes is NOT about the cops and ONLY about Zimmerman's ethnicity?

    Come to think of it, based on argumentation in this thread, it is quite possible you could think like that.



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    Yes it most certainly was a horrible oversight as you thinking that George Zimmerman being WHITE was your entire basis for your Original Post and the structure for this thread.

    Don't try and play stupid.

    We are #193 posts into this thread and you STILL are sticking to the same argument you made in Post #3. Unfortunately, at that time, it was not known. It could have been surmised based on physical appearance, but it was NOT FACT at that time.

    If you can prove otherwise AT THAT TIME, go ahead. I'll be here.

    And again, it WAS NOT THE BASIS FOR THE THREAD. The title says otherwise. IT WAS A FACTOR THOUGH!

    The lead-in says otherwise. The conclusion and numbered bullets say otherwise.

    Then at 10:42 EST, Zimmerman's father identified him as a Hispanic in a DESPERATE attempt to paint his son as someone who was not a racist (i.e. multiracial).

    White guys like you, and others here, eat it up and it's CASE CLOSED!

    Well guess what, his race did matter in the OP as I already have conceded. And he could have self-identified himself as white. How was he white otherwise according to the national media? Who reported that? The police? The man himself?

    Those last two are key because the police could have thought they were dealing with a white male.

    HE WAS A SELF-APPOINTED NIGHT WATCHMAN IN A MOSTLY WHITE GATED COMMUNITY AFTER ALL...

    Anyhow, the world is still turning after the letter from Zimmerman's father. People are STILL OUTRAGED AT THE COPS due to the fact their has been NO ARRESTS.

    The bottom line:

    You're post # 3 was inaccurate at the time of posting.
    My OP was accurate at the time of posting.

    Even after he was identified as Hispanic by his father, this does not let the cops off the hook! How in the WORLD could you read my OP and not believe one of the major overriding themes is NOT about the cops and ONLY about Zimmerman's ethnicity?

    Come to think of it, based on argumentation in this thread, it is quite possible you could think like that.



     
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    Once again scalabrine keeps beating around the bush. Would you please answer the question already.

    If you had known that George Zimmerman was of Hispanic origin, would you have still made this thread?

    "Then at 10:42 EST, Zimmerman's father identified him as a Hispanic in a DESPERATE attempt to paint his son as someone who was not a racist (i.e. multiracial)."

    Do you honestly believe that information was only known at the exact time stamp on that internet article and was only known at 10:42? You don't think that it may be possible that it was known locally throughout the community? Desperate attempt? Didn't YOU bring up about the wrong doings against blacks and Hispanics right in your original post of this thread?
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    Once again scalabrine keeps beating around the bush. Would you please answer the question already.

    If you had known that George Zimmerman was of Hispanic origin, would you have still made this thread?

    "Then at 10:42 EST, Zimmerman's father identified him as a Hispanic in a DESPERATE attempt to paint his son as someone who was not a racist (i.e. multiracial)."

    Do you honestly believe that information was only known at the exact time stamp on that internet article and was only known at 10:42? You don't think that it may be possible that it was known locally throughout the community? Desperate attempt? Didn't YOU bring up about the wrong doings against blacks and Hispanics right in your original post of this thread?
     
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2012 - 9:42 AM ET #195

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:


    The bottom line:

    You're post # 3 was inaccurate at the time of posting.
    My OP was accurate at the time of posting.



    My post was accurate from the time that George Zimmerman was born.

    The real bottom line is this:

    If you were not such a race baiting coward, then this thread would have been about a teen being wrongfully killed and no so much about what color or race that the killer was.


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    The bottom line:

    You're post # 3 was inaccurate at the time of posting.
    My OP was accurate at the time of posting.



    My post was accurate from the time that George Zimmerman was born.

    The real bottom line is this:

    If you were not such a race baiting coward, then this thread would have been about a teen being wrongfully killed and no so much about what color or race that the killer was.


     
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    Posted: Mar. 20, 2012 - 11:12 AM ET #196

    A black teen is wrongfully killed everyday in this country. Why did Scal choose this one to write about. I'm sure one will be killed today. I'm sure one will be killed tomorrow. Will he write about those too?
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    A black teen is wrongfully killed everyday in this country. Why did Scal choose this one to write about. I'm sure one will be killed today. I'm sure one will be killed tomorrow. Will he write about those too?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    I say "race riots" because that's how the media, left or right leaning, likes to describe them.

    The two words together, whip white communities into a frenzy, touching upon their innermost fears that inhabitants of 'black ghettos' will one day 'rise up,' and overtake their heavily segregated middle-class neighborhoods. 

    There may be protests. There may be marches. There may be what the police will determine to be 'criminal activity,' if there is even a crack the size of a peanut in a white resident's car window or storefront (and rest assured, that will lead on the local nightly news that 'the black mob' is getting out of control).

    But who is responsible for an act of mass civil disobedience in the face of a potential murder? That would be the police and the way they are handling this case.

    What's the case? Well most of you have heard it by now but are too busy reading about legs that go for miles and miles or threads about a guy named "FartnSniff" to post anything about it. Even if most here weren't too busy, posts about lotto winners receiving welfare are more readable. 

    The case is about a black minor who was shot in the chest by a white 'neighborhood watchman,' who simply said "It was self-defense" when the gunsmoke cleared. The minor was unarmed and returning from a convenience store with candy and iced tea.

    That 'watchman' was doing his job as appointed (i.e. looking for potential 'thugs' and troublemakers' that make their way through the mostly white gated community...this means blacks and hispanics who may have their pants a quarter inch below their hips were nice targets). 

    The problem here is that the white watchman called 911 and they advised him not to approach the minor. He didn't listen.

    The only thing we know beyond that is that this black 17-year old is dead and the white watchman admitted to doing it. What's the catch? His story was that it was 'self-defense'. Take a look of the photo of the kid in that link. Even in a football uniform, he looks about as intimidating as a scarecrow.
     
    What's the other catch? The dead minor was found with iced tea and Skittles on him, a story corroborated by his family after he went to buy the junk food for him and a family member. Well that dead minor cannot speak from the grave so we only have one story: the one from the white night watchman. How convenient!

    So why might there be 'riots' (actually constitutionally protected mass assembly and protest for those who don't eat and drink all the spin doctoring)?

    NUMBER 1 - The police have accepted the story of self-defense and have made NO ARRESTS despite the fact the 'neighborhood watchman' had no authority to approach the minor armed, nevermind shoot him in the chest.

    So there you have it! If you are in Florida and you 'do the deed' to another person (i.e. kill them) and simply tell the cops it was self-defense, according to them as revealed in this case, you can walk until evidence reveals otherwise. I wonder how this would work for a black youth standing over a white body because it seems to work well the other way around.

    NUMBER 2- When the community protests, you as a police department should drag your feet in releasing the actual 911 tapes. That way, you'll enrage the community members and make yourself look like you are 'dutifully investigating' the shooting. Did I mention this tape may be the one and only piece of evidence that may implicate the watchman of murder? No matter. Marginalize all the black community members and more importantly, the dead child's family and friends by letting them know the white higher ups 'have it all under control.'

    NUMBER 3- A witness has gone on the record to say that the police tried to change her story. While she claims the teen cried for help, the officer told her she heard Zimmerman cry for help. Yes, the officers collecting evidence from the only available witnesses told a woman what she heard. 

    NUMBER 4- The ringer. The one the cops love to use on the black community....THE PREVIOUS CRIMINAL RECORD. What's the problem? When you are white, it means nothing. The cops are doing nothing about it because the white watchman is still free even though he has a record. The dead minor? NOT A SINGLE CHARGE AGAINST HIM.

     But as we've seen a million times before, if it's a black man with a record, it is, within moments, the VERY FIRST information released to the press or said at a podium, in many cases when cops themselves gun down blacks and hispanics (to perpetuate the good-for-nothing 'thug' imagery, one that clearly doesn't persist for whites as seen here).

    So what's the end result? The case is in the hands of an almost all-white police force. The white shooter remains free. The black community remains outraged and in the dark. A minor is dead.

    And you wonder who sets the tinder afire to create these 'race riots.' 

    You needn't look to the blacks but the blue...the men in blue that is.

    I wonder if whites are now thinking, "Where's Reverend Al and Jesse now?" I mean it's only a 17 year old black boy who is dead...


    He was with Ice T ......you said it yourself. Just listen/watch this is you think Zimmerman shouldnt have shot 1st and asked questions later.....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5gRIud57jQ


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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    I say "race riots" because that's how the media, left or right leaning, likes to describe them.

    The two words together, whip white communities into a frenzy, touching upon their innermost fears that inhabitants of 'black ghettos' will one day 'rise up,' and overtake their heavily segregated middle-class neighborhoods. 

    There may be protests. There may be marches. There may be what the police will determine to be 'criminal activity,' if there is even a crack the size of a peanut in a white resident's car window or storefront (and rest assured, that will lead on the local nightly news that 'the black mob' is getting out of control).

    But who is responsible for an act of mass civil disobedience in the face of a potential murder? That would be the police and the way they are handling this case.

    What's the case? Well most of you have heard it by now but are too busy reading about legs that go for miles and miles or threads about a guy named "FartnSniff" to post anything about it. Even if most here weren't too busy, posts about lotto winners receiving welfare are more readable. 

    The case is about a black minor who was shot in the chest by a white 'neighborhood watchman,' who simply said "It was self-defense" when the gunsmoke cleared. The minor was unarmed and returning from a convenience store with candy and iced tea.

    That 'watchman' was doing his job as appointed (i.e. looking for potential 'thugs' and troublemakers' that make their way through the mostly white gated community...this means blacks and hispanics who may have their pants a quarter inch below their hips were nice targets). 

    The problem here is that the white watchman called 911 and they advised him not to approach the minor. He didn't listen.

    The only thing we know beyond that is that this black 17-year old is dead and the white watchman admitted to doing it. What's the catch? His story was that it was 'self-defense'. Take a look of the photo of the kid in that link. Even in a football uniform, he looks about as intimidating as a scarecrow.
     
    What's the other catch? The dead minor was found with iced tea and Skittles on him, a story corroborated by his family after he went to buy the junk food for him and a family member. Well that dead minor cannot speak from the grave so we only have one story: the one from the white night watchman. How convenient!

    So why might there be 'riots' (actually constitutionally protected mass assembly and protest for those who don't eat and drink all the spin doctoring)?

    NUMBER 1 - The police have accepted the story of self-defense and have made NO ARRESTS despite the fact the 'neighborhood watchman' had no authority to approach the minor armed, nevermind shoot him in the chest.

    So there you have it! If you are in Florida and you 'do the deed' to another person (i.e. kill them) and simply tell the cops it was self-defense, according to them as revealed in this case, you can walk until evidence reveals otherwise. I wonder how this would work for a black youth standing over a white body because it seems to work well the other way around.

    NUMBER 2- When the community protests, you as a police department should drag your feet in releasing the actual 911 tapes. That way, you'll enrage the community members and make yourself look like you are 'dutifully investigating' the shooting. Did I mention this tape may be the one and only piece of evidence that may implicate the watchman of murder? No matter. Marginalize all the black community members and more importantly, the dead child's family and friends by letting them know the white higher ups 'have it all under control.'

    NUMBER 3- A witness has gone on the record to say that the police tried to change her story. While she claims the teen cried for help, the officer told her she heard Zimmerman cry for help. Yes, the officers collecting evidence from the only available witnesses told a woman what she heard. 

    NUMBER 4- The ringer. The one the cops love to use on the black community....THE PREVIOUS CRIMINAL RECORD. What's the problem? When you are white, it means nothing. The cops are doing nothing about it because the white watchman is still free even though he has a record. The dead minor? NOT A SINGLE CHARGE AGAINST HIM.

     But as we've seen a million times before, if it's a black man with a record, it is, within moments, the VERY FIRST information released to the press or said at a podium, in many cases when cops themselves gun down blacks and hispanics (to perpetuate the good-for-nothing 'thug' imagery, one that clearly doesn't persist for whites as seen here).

    So what's the end result? The case is in the hands of an almost all-white police force. The white shooter remains free. The black community remains outraged and in the dark. A minor is dead.

    And you wonder who sets the tinder afire to create these 'race riots.' 

    You needn't look to the blacks but the blue...the men in blue that is.

    I wonder if whites are now thinking, "Where's Reverend Al and Jesse now?" I mean it's only a 17 year old black boy who is dead...


    He was with Ice T ......you said it yourself. Just listen/watch this is you think Zimmerman shouldnt have shot 1st and asked questions later.....


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5gRIud57jQ


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by canovsp:

    A black teen is wrongfully killed everyday in this country. Why did Scal choose this one to write about. I'm sure one will be killed today. I'm sure one will be killed tomorrow. Will he write about those too?

    This 

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    A black teen is wrongfully killed everyday in this country. Why did Scal choose this one to write about. I'm sure one will be killed today. I'm sure one will be killed tomorrow. Will he write about those too?

    This 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djs1975:

    i'm sorry, i had to create a username just to say this....HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE!!! HISPANICS can be white, black or anything in between. all hispanic means is someone speaks spanish. they could be descendants of the colonizer spaniards or of a mix of colonizer spaniards and the native indiands, or just native indians who had been colonized in south or central america. so stop throwing around the word hispanic as IT. MEANS. NOTHING as far as RACE is concerned.



    According to this definition Al Gore, Will Smith and Ben Affleck are all Hispanics.  Who knew?
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    i'm sorry, i had to create a username just to say this....HISPANIC IS NOT A RACE!!! HISPANICS can be white, black or anything in between. all hispanic means is someone speaks spanish. they could be descendants of the colonizer spaniards or of a mix of colonizer spaniards and the native indiands, or just native indians who had been colonized in south or central america. so stop throwing around the word hispanic as IT. MEANS. NOTHING as far as RACE is concerned.



    According to this definition Al Gore, Will Smith and Ben Affleck are all Hispanics.  Who knew?
     
     
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    Hey Scal shut the fuck up u racist bitch
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