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@Biscuiteater1

Line Moves:

 Rams -4.5

Total 48.5

Rams ML -210

Bengals +175

@BWS77

 I want to root for both qb's. Maybe we just go all Cyrax on this game and hope for the best?

@undermysac

Id like to cyrax my cock in your mouth 

@trainwreck66

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 I just got a PM from Hank ....thinks there is $47 in loose change...15 mustard packets  and 2 bags of chips in Bigreds old couch 

76ers/dallas over 210................................................

I'm still wondering what the legal basis is for the Flores suit. Is the "Rooney Rule" legally enforceable ? Private enterprises normally are free to enact whatever rules they want, but that doesn't always equate with the government enforcing such private rules. Laws are passed by legislatures, not billionaire NFL owners.  I've tried to look this up but haven't seen a legal analysis.

@1129ken

 Can you look up the so emphatically used term, "The NFL is a licensed entertainment business"?

Hugh told us once about his conversation with his lawyer, and that made total sense. I just can't find it anywhere.

Lawyers might be the ultimate scumbags on earth, but they do know their stuff.

https://nypost.com/2022/02/04/police-release-details-in-viral-palisades-parkway-ny-road-rage-video/

This video, which is mostly about karma, is also about the commentary by the Asian guys who filmed it.

I have watched it a dozen times

@Hugh_Jorgan

 What are you gonna do you eeeeediot

@undermysac

 Sac

Who knows how reliable a google search can be. Nevertheless, there is a lot of information suggesting the league chooses to be in the entertainment business so they can determine the outcome of their games, just like wrestling. That classification is arguably legitimate to ensure maximum profitability for owners ( investors ) and the league. Games and seasons need to be interesting. I'm not choosing sides in the fix debate, but I will say I was on the right side of a game involving the Steelers once where I kept waiting for the teams to come back on the field because my eyes told me the refs clearly got the last play of the game wrong and declared the game over. It was beyond clear that they had gotten it wrong. Had they gotten it right, I'd have lost. I think it is comical when some newbie in the mains calls "fix" whenever they lose, but I think we've all seen plenty of games that make you wonder. I'm sure the New Orleans Saints wonder. Regarding Flores, I think he's betting a career on the money he can get from seriously adverse publicity for the NFL. I doubt his lawyers would tell him he has a legally strong case, but the league seems to be in serious damage control mode right now. I'll be curious to see if the league just shuts him up with money, with an accompanying nasty NDA. I'm thinking Kaepernick here.

https://twitter.com/nfl_memes/status/1489788688737439747?s=21

@undermysac

I'm going from memory, so will paraphrase what someone who would know (i.e. NOT a Covers member) told me about why the NFL was registered as entertainment.

The NFL, being light years ahead of all other sports in terms of value, profitability, and business acumen, registered as being 'entertainment' as a means of legally being able to create various revenue streams all under the single umbrella of the NFL.

Before 2015, the NFL registered as a 501(c), meaning that the entity of the NFL was a not for profit. The individual NFL teams are not a part of the NFL entity which was the 501 (c). The owners of the NFL entity are the 32 NFL team owners. They recognized they were leaving some money on the table by not giving the NFL entity the ability to create additional revenue streams that had nothing to do with the 32 individual teams. Thus the NFL entity filed as being in the entertainment industry, and as such they can derive revenue, which would be evenly split among the 32 owners, from any form of entertainment they desired. The NFL now can sponsor concerts, can come out with it's own brand of shoe, and can even ... wait for it ...... align themselves with independent gambling entities such as Draftkings, because legal gambling is also viewed as entertainment.

The idea that the NFL registered as being in the entertainment industry so they could legally fix games is absurd.

It is MY OPINION that if it were ever proven that the NFL fixed games there would be countless lawsuits brought and WON by season ticket holders, sponsors, vendors, youth groups, churches, AA meetings, members of Covers, VFW lodges ...............

@Hugh_Jorgan

I always look for your posts. Great combination of wit and wisdom. Because I simply don't know who is right, I am agnostic about the fix theory, although I admit that it seems to me some games appear to have "entertainment" themes which trump "legitimate competition" themes. I don't believe players fix games in the NFL, but the history of sports fixes suggests human beings ( in my opinion here, most likely refs ) can be "influenced " to alter the outcomes or final scores of games.  Your view of this is important, as it should be, because you have  proven to be one of the smartest people Covers is lucky enough to have.

Perhaps taking the chance of defying Mark Twain by opening my mouth and proving how much I don't know, I will stop back to try to make a logical argument why the NFL is more Disney than reality. Right now I'd be defying family ( never a good idea ), if I don't get my sorry butt to the beach.

Much respect.

@Hugh_Jorgan

@1129ken

lou/cuse over 146...........texas/iowa st over 121.5......................hey hugh i see some kid up by you got    murdered  at a party ......what the fuck is goin on up there?............

@1129ken

First of all, thank you for the very kind words. It is truly appreciated, even if unwarranted

The original topic was related to the NFL registering as 'entertainment' so they could legally fix games. That is an emphatic NO!

My opinion on the chances that the entity known as the NFL has, or would fix/script/finagle or influence the outcome of a game is a firm ... no friggin chance.

IMO, just because the NFL registered as being entertainment would not prohibit lawsuits should they be found to have willfully fixed games. The NFL regularly promotes itself as a competitive sport with undetermined results. They have intentionally led the public, and their sponsors, to believe that the games are won and lost solely based upon the happenings on the field. Therefore the veil of 'entertainment' has been pierced. They would be sued into oblivion.

Think about this ... the avg value of an NFL team is $3.5 billion. Collectively the value of all 32 teams is $112 billion. If it was proven that the NFL was involved with fixing the outcomes of their games, what do you think the value of the league would be? Would the avg team still be worth $3.5 billion? No reasonable person could argue that the value of every team wouldn't tank drastically, as the fan base would fall off of a cliff. The NFL owners are sitting on the greatest money making machine in the history of sports and it has done nothing but gone up in value at a rate that most industries could only dream of. Yet some folks believe that the owners have grabbed this golden goose by the neck in an attempt to wrangle a little more profit, while risking losing everything. It simply makes no sense.

However, you also mentioned referees ... that's a totally different topic.

It is my opinion that there have been individual refs who have purposely had an effect on the outcome of some games.

So IMO ...

NFL fixing games = no chance

Player(s) fixing games = possible

Ref(s) fixing games = probable

I don't watch tv nor read the news, so am clueless as to the happenings here.

I've been here for 5 months now, and already plan on moving. Not a lot going on in this town (besides murder, apparently) I will stay on the east coast, just not sure if I'm heading north or south. Ive been dating a woman from Jax beach, so could head up there. I really like NSB, so may just become your neighbor. Are you opposed to men watering their front lawns while nude?

How'd you do with your 2 Overs?

@Hugh_Jorgan

 split on my plays.......yes i am opposed to naked men watering the lawn, women on the other hand......some 18 year old kid got shot and killed in palm coast at some high school party

@Hugh_Jorgan

Hugh---You clearly have a better understanding of the NFL business than I do. And, as I said, I am agnostic about fix theories, although I completely understand why people watch the games and suspect something fishy is going on, particularly with officiating at the highest level that is, at best, beyond incompetent.

Here is why I have doubts.

I think I understand your point about the NFL corporate umbrella, "non-profit", shell, which enabled the league to avoid taxation at the NFL corporate  level so long as the Mara/Rooney family, the Kraft family, etc. paid taxes at the team level. So far, so good. What I am trying to understand is why that corporate structure makes it less likely that team owners might object to something like tanking. If a team that is hurting, like the Colts, Dolphins, Browns, Bengals or others, decides it is in their best interests long-term to lose, would owners accuse other owners of wrong-doing ? Would fans object to "Suck for Luck" as the Colts go about their business of losing as a future-oriented  business strategy to obtain Andrew Luck ? Why wouldn't the Bengals  lose a few meaningless games to get Joe Burrow , particularly when winning an extra game or two means next to nothing in the short-term and is horrific strategy long-term ? From there, I don't see it as an unrealistic stretch to suggest that the entertainment aspect of the business strategy might include using your employees (referees ?) to further a narrative like the post-Katrina Saints. Or to see good soldiers like the Rooney/Mara family prosper, meaning Ben, the Steelers, Eli and the Giants get their turn. Or to try to invigorate ratings in struggling markets like LA. The playoff drama we watched was great TV. If in fact there is nothing illicit going on, I think the NFL should show more concern about the suspicious officiating . Referees like Jerome Boger would be fired in a quality-oriented business enterprise, especially one that has partnered with gambling and should be concerned about optics.

Just one guy's opinion.

@1129ken

 I've come to the conclusion that refs aren't really good at their jobs some of the time. Some of the time they are  pretty tight  

What a lot of people don't understand is that these are not full time jobs for the refs. Most of them are lawyers, businesses men, firefighters, what have you...

And I'm doing cocaine 

@undermysac

 Stick with booze & reefer and some trips here and there... in some form of moderation. Hell of a drug though.

I guess some one has to stick up for the refs a little, they are not owls and should not make a call that they do not see but it sure is puzzling when you see them right there and the call is not made,probably incompetence.I'd be willing to bet that TANKING will be addressed, i see a lottery system or some form of deterent in the very near future.