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    Final Regular season Record:  51 - 39

    well, we survived week 17. overall, a good regular season and great contributions from everyone every week.  once again, i think this remains a great place for people to go every week to get some ideas about the games, follow bets and hopefully learn about the nfl and nfl gambling, which i think is different from any other sport. great work everyone.  and we'll run it back next season. 

    i'll just keep this one thread for the entire playoffs and super bowl.  as i mentioned earlier, i don't bet muc during the playoffs unless i really like a matchup.  i like to find numbers that i think are off, and that's just not possible much, if at all, in the playoffs.  plus, it helps to see the opening numbers and i haven't even looked yet so i'm already behind.  in any case, i'll take a quick look at the matchups and lines and get things started.


    Buffalo @ Houston - 3  this line is right where i'd have it.  two very different teams.  i think buffalo is better but i'm not quick to bet a shaky qb on the road in his first playoff game.  but, buffalo has the better defense and better coaching so they will be considered at +3. 

    Tenn @ NE -5 what the f*ck was that yesterday by NE.  we've discussed how this team is overrated the last few weeks, but i'm not sure many would have predicted losing to miami in a game they needed to win for seeding purposes.  can never count out belichik but this doesn't look like a team that is going very far.  Tenn has been great in the second half and really has a complete team while NE has a very good pass defense, but has some major issues, especially on offense.  i predicted 4.5 so the line is about right.  i'm not sure NE is the better team here so i'll consider tenn at this line.

    Minn @ NO -8 i still like minn but you can't ignore their issues on the road and against good teams and NO is arguably the best team in the league right now.  i was hoping to take Minn against seattle (i loved that matchup), but i'm not sure about this one unless the line is too high.  hard to see NO losing but NO has been known to give up a lot of points against good teams so if minn is healthy, they can slide within a big number. i thought 7.5. pinnacle has 8 but i bet 7.5 is out there too. 

    Seattle @ Philly +1.5 this is one where people will side with seattle as the better team while philly limped into the playoffs, especially after seattle came within inches of winning their division last night.  but philly is well coached and has the better defense at home.  and this number should be low so this might be a good contrarian pick.  also, how in the f*ck does seattle get a delay of game last night after getting down to the SF 1?  it's like they thought they had the game won and didn't need to hurry up and run another play? amazing and that very well cost them a chance to get to the super bowl since i doubt seattle can make a run in the playoffs on the road.  anyway, i thought seattle -1 so the line is right to me.  not sure about this overrated seattle team as a road favorite in the playoffs.


    ok, those are some quick thoughts to get things going. as expected, none of the lines are of to me.  i won't be making any bets based on the lines.  i wonder if any have moved since opening last night?

    but, i do see some matchups that look interesting.  we'll see how the week goes.

    as always, feel free to post whatever you want over the next few weeks. 


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    Final Regular season Record:  51 - 39

    well, we survived week 17. overall, a good regular season and great contributions from everyone every week.  once again, i think this remains a great place for people to go every week to get some ideas about the games, follow bets and hopefully learn about the nfl and nfl gambling, which i think is different from any other sport. great work everyone.  and we'll run it back next season. 

    i'll just keep this one thread for the entire playoffs and super bowl.  as i mentioned earlier, i don't bet muc during the playoffs unless i really like a matchup.  i like to find numbers that i think are off, and that's just not possible much, if at all, in the playoffs.  plus, it helps to see the opening numbers and i haven't even looked yet so i'm already behind.  in any case, i'll take a quick look at the matchups and lines and get things started.


    Buffalo @ Houston - 3  this line is right where i'd have it.  two very different teams.  i think buffalo is better but i'm not quick to bet a shaky qb on the road in his first playoff game.  but, buffalo has the better defense and better coaching so they will be considered at +3. 

    Tenn @ NE -5 what the f*ck was that yesterday by NE.  we've discussed how this team is overrated the last few weeks, but i'm not sure many would have predicted losing to miami in a game they needed to win for seeding purposes.  can never count out belichik but this doesn't look like a team that is going very far.  Tenn has been great in the second half and really has a complete team while NE has a very good pass defense, but has some major issues, especially on offense.  i predicted 4.5 so the line is about right.  i'm not sure NE is the better team here so i'll consider tenn at this line.

    Minn @ NO -8 i still like minn but you can't ignore their issues on the road and against good teams and NO is arguably the best team in the league right now.  i was hoping to take Minn against seattle (i loved that matchup), but i'm not sure about this one unless the line is too high.  hard to see NO losing but NO has been known to give up a lot of points against good teams so if minn is healthy, they can slide within a big number. i thought 7.5. pinnacle has 8 but i bet 7.5 is out there too. 

    Seattle @ Philly +1.5 this is one where people will side with seattle as the better team while philly limped into the playoffs, especially after seattle came within inches of winning their division last night.  but philly is well coached and has the better defense at home.  and this number should be low so this might be a good contrarian pick.  also, how in the f*ck does seattle get a delay of game last night after getting down to the SF 1?  it's like they thought they had the game won and didn't need to hurry up and run another play? amazing and that very well cost them a chance to get to the super bowl since i doubt seattle can make a run in the playoffs on the road.  anyway, i thought seattle -1 so the line is right to me.  not sure about this overrated seattle team as a road favorite in the playoffs.


    ok, those are some quick thoughts to get things going. as expected, none of the lines are of to me.  i won't be making any bets based on the lines.  i wonder if any have moved since opening last night?

    but, i do see some matchups that look interesting.  we'll see how the week goes.

    as always, feel free to post whatever you want over the next few weeks. 


     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 10:06 AM ET #2

    The scheduling gods were good to Philly. 
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    The scheduling gods were good to Philly. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 10:14 AM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    The scheduling gods were good to Philly. 
    There will be no Penny this time around to run for 139 yards as was the case 5 weeks ago. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    The scheduling gods were good to Philly. 
    There will be no Penny this time around to run for 139 yards as was the case 5 weeks ago. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 11:03 AM ET #4

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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 12:56 PM ET #5

    Club and other members of the ClubDirt community. I realize this is unusual, but our leader said post anything. Here is a recommended early week diversion from Miami Herald humorist Dave Barry in his " Dave Barry's year in review ." He talks about the year, month by month and it is worth it for the chuckle . It is not mainly about sports, but here is an excerpt regarding the month of January :

     

    " In sports, the LA Rams win the NFC championship game after the referees, on a critical play, fail to notice when a Rams defensive back attacks a New Orleans Saint receiver with a chain saw. Responding to the ensuing outrage, NFL Commisioner Roger Goodell says he will 'conduct a thorough review of league policy regarding power tools,' adding that 'New England is scheduled to win the Super Bowl anyway.'

     

    This guy makes me laugh. Apologies to those who think this doesn't fit in the Newsletter.

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    Club and other members of the ClubDirt community. I realize this is unusual, but our leader said post anything. Here is a recommended early week diversion from Miami Herald humorist Dave Barry in his " Dave Barry's year in review ." He talks about the year, month by month and it is worth it for the chuckle . It is not mainly about sports, but here is an excerpt regarding the month of January :

     

    " In sports, the LA Rams win the NFC championship game after the referees, on a critical play, fail to notice when a Rams defensive back attacks a New Orleans Saint receiver with a chain saw. Responding to the ensuing outrage, NFL Commisioner Roger Goodell says he will 'conduct a thorough review of league policy regarding power tools,' adding that 'New England is scheduled to win the Super Bowl anyway.'

     

    This guy makes me laugh. Apologies to those who think this doesn't fit in the Newsletter.

     
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    Ken, I'm a fan of satirical humor and Dave Barry is one of the best. 

    BFF/HOU   Solid line. I like Houston's ability to create offense much better, but I don't like their coach. The Texans can't play scared here and allow Buffalo to dictate the pace and game script. Kind of a coinflip but lean Houston. 

    NE/TN   Only thing I'm sure of is that the Pats aren't winning another Super Bowl. I wouldn't sleep on them for this one game though. Like CD says, the Titans may actually be the better team but January in Foxboro is not a time and place I'll be betting on Ryan Tannehill. He hasn't faced a top 10 defense since he's been starting and on this day he'll face #1.

    MN/NO   I agree that New Orleans is the best team out there this weekend. The Minnesota miracle of 2 years ago will be played ad nauseum. The Saints have gone from good to just toying with opponents lately. The Cousins prime time curse will be in full effect and I don't think as highly of Mike Zimmer as some do. It's a big number but it's there for a reason. I suspect many will chase the points on a strong underdog. I know I won't.

    PHL/SEA   I expected the Seahawks to be favored. They were not, but now the opener of Philly -1 has flipped to Seattle -1. In it's simplest form, you have a team on a 4 game winning streak hosting a team that has lost 3 of it's last 4 games and in the process blew a chance for a bye. I suspect Seattle will continue to get the money and drive the line up even more. I think the Eagles will become a good bargain here. 

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    Ken, I'm a fan of satirical humor and Dave Barry is one of the best. 

    BFF/HOU   Solid line. I like Houston's ability to create offense much better, but I don't like their coach. The Texans can't play scared here and allow Buffalo to dictate the pace and game script. Kind of a coinflip but lean Houston. 

    NE/TN   Only thing I'm sure of is that the Pats aren't winning another Super Bowl. I wouldn't sleep on them for this one game though. Like CD says, the Titans may actually be the better team but January in Foxboro is not a time and place I'll be betting on Ryan Tannehill. He hasn't faced a top 10 defense since he's been starting and on this day he'll face #1.

    MN/NO   I agree that New Orleans is the best team out there this weekend. The Minnesota miracle of 2 years ago will be played ad nauseum. The Saints have gone from good to just toying with opponents lately. The Cousins prime time curse will be in full effect and I don't think as highly of Mike Zimmer as some do. It's a big number but it's there for a reason. I suspect many will chase the points on a strong underdog. I know I won't.

    PHL/SEA   I expected the Seahawks to be favored. They were not, but now the opener of Philly -1 has flipped to Seattle -1. In it's simplest form, you have a team on a 4 game winning streak hosting a team that has lost 3 of it's last 4 games and in the process blew a chance for a bye. I suspect Seattle will continue to get the money and drive the line up even more. I think the Eagles will become a good bargain here. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 30, 2019 - 7:09 PM ET #7

    Great regular season record CD

    Seattle at Philly tidbits:

    Philly is 12-2 in weeks 15 and beyond in the Doug Pederson era.

    Seattle's sos #1
    Philly's sos #32
    ^damn 

    Duane Brown is listed questionable 7 days after having knee surgery...really?

    Lane Johnson is questionable, he missed the last game.

    Some one said that Zack Ertz has a lacerated kidney.

    Last time they played(Nov 24th) the line closed at Seattle -2. In that game Seattle ran for 174 yards(mostly Penny). No one runs on Philly in Philly, the hawks did that day. Rus Wilson won 17-9 with a 52% comp percentage. Wentz lost with a 73.33%, but he threw the ball 45 times. His wr's had multiple drops.

    Will this game play out the same way? For pretty much the same line, and considering that both teams have been going in different directions since, I say no.

    Strong lean to Philly for me, but the sos disparity and Ertz/Johnson injuries concerns me.
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    Great regular season record CD

    Seattle at Philly tidbits:

    Philly is 12-2 in weeks 15 and beyond in the Doug Pederson era.

    Seattle's sos #1
    Philly's sos #32
    ^damn 

    Duane Brown is listed questionable 7 days after having knee surgery...really?

    Lane Johnson is questionable, he missed the last game.

    Some one said that Zack Ertz has a lacerated kidney.

    Last time they played(Nov 24th) the line closed at Seattle -2. In that game Seattle ran for 174 yards(mostly Penny). No one runs on Philly in Philly, the hawks did that day. Rus Wilson won 17-9 with a 52% comp percentage. Wentz lost with a 73.33%, but he threw the ball 45 times. His wr's had multiple drops.

    Will this game play out the same way? For pretty much the same line, and considering that both teams have been going in different directions since, I say no.

    Strong lean to Philly for me, but the sos disparity and Ertz/Johnson injuries concerns me.
     
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    I missed a key Injury, Seahawks starting strong side LB Michal Kendricks tore his acl. The Seahawks ran their base package on D more than any other team. Here's what Carrol said about him:

    "I really like the way he plays," Carroll said. "I like what Mychal brings us. He's a very active player. He's an unusually instinctive, athletic guy for the position. That's why we played him so much against three wides. He runs 4.4s, so he's a real fast linebacker."

    His replacement will be rookie 3rd round pick Cody Barton. He stepped in vs the Niners after the injury. Here's what Carrol said about him:

    "Cody did alright," Carroll said. "He did a solid job. I'm hesitant to say he played great because he missed a couple opportunities there. But he's a good football player for us."

    Kendricks had 13 solo tackles against the Eagles on Nov 24th.

    Barton had 1 assisted tackle vs the Niners, he played nearly the entire game since Kendricks got hurt after 7 snaps.

    I like them apples
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    I missed a key Injury, Seahawks starting strong side LB Michal Kendricks tore his acl. The Seahawks ran their base package on D more than any other team. Here's what Carrol said about him:

    "I really like the way he plays," Carroll said. "I like what Mychal brings us. He's a very active player. He's an unusually instinctive, athletic guy for the position. That's why we played him so much against three wides. He runs 4.4s, so he's a real fast linebacker."

    His replacement will be rookie 3rd round pick Cody Barton. He stepped in vs the Niners after the injury. Here's what Carrol said about him:

    "Cody did alright," Carroll said. "He did a solid job. I'm hesitant to say he played great because he missed a couple opportunities there. But he's a good football player for us."

    Kendricks had 13 solo tackles against the Eagles on Nov 24th.

    Barton had 1 assisted tackle vs the Niners, he played nearly the entire game since Kendricks got hurt after 7 snaps.

    I like them apples
     
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    Solid season CD.....bol in the playoffs 
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    Solid season CD.....bol in the playoffs 
     
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    I will be surprised if Seattle does not run,run, and try to run some more, but P.C. could just tell Russell its his baby and let him have at it. 
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    I will be surprised if Seattle does not run,run, and try to run some more, but P.C. could just tell Russell its his baby and let him have at it. 
     
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    ken, humor is always welcome.  we can't always make jokes about homers like shrimp and anti-homers like bws. well, we can always do that but other humor is good too.

     

    as far as the lines go, it looks like houston came down to 2.5 at many places.  that's a big move for a game like that.  the next two lines are holding steady and seattle moved up a little but that move is much less significant than houston.  there are some major injury issues on both sides of the seattle/philly game.  i'm inetrested to see what happens with ertz.  even if they just have him out there running routes without throwing to him much, that would help wentz, who needs all the help he can get these days.  i do expect seattle to run a lot, because that's all that coaching staff seems to understand.  hard to imagine they'll have much success without their top rb's and against this rush defense, but seattle does seem to find a way much of the time. 

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    ken, humor is always welcome.  we can't always make jokes about homers like shrimp and anti-homers like bws. well, we can always do that but other humor is good too.

     

    as far as the lines go, it looks like houston came down to 2.5 at many places.  that's a big move for a game like that.  the next two lines are holding steady and seattle moved up a little but that move is much less significant than houston.  there are some major injury issues on both sides of the seattle/philly game.  i'm inetrested to see what happens with ertz.  even if they just have him out there running routes without throwing to him much, that would help wentz, who needs all the help he can get these days.  i do expect seattle to run a lot, because that's all that coaching staff seems to understand.  hard to imagine they'll have much success without their top rb's and against this rush defense, but seattle does seem to find a way much of the time. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2019 - 1:15 PM ET #12

    The Getties are bring back Marrone, i am not aware of his contract but i thought he was toast.
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    The Getties are bring back Marrone, i am not aware of his contract but i thought he was toast.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2019 - 1:19 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    The Getties are bring back Marrone, i am not aware of his contract but i thought he was toast.




    Hilarious news 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    The Getties are bring back Marrone, i am not aware of his contract but i thought he was toast.




    Hilarious news 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2019 - 1:23 PM ET #14

    We've joked for years that Doug Marrone must know where the bodies are buried that he keeps getting so many chances. We've always meant that figuratively. Now, I literally believe Doug Marrone knows where some bodies are buried. https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1212026217903403013 …
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    We've joked for years that Doug Marrone must know where the bodies are buried that he keeps getting so many chances. We've always meant that figuratively. Now, I literally believe Doug Marrone knows where some bodies are buried. https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1212026217903403013 …
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2019 - 1:58 PM ET #15

    Baylor head coach Matt Rhule turned down Browns interview offer  


    And just breaking, Browns and GM John Dorsey are close to parting ways.   
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    Baylor head coach Matt Rhule turned down Browns interview offer  


    And just breaking, Browns and GM John Dorsey are close to parting ways.   
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2019 - 2:10 PM ET #16

    The whole Jaguars situation paints a very ugly picture of former VP Tom Coughlin. He was fired for just cause, fining players in violation of the NFLPA agreement. Behind the scenes he was micro managing practices (upstanding Marrone) , told new OC DeFilippo how he wanted the offense to be run, and overruled GM Caldwell on his decision to draft Pat Mahomes with the #4 pick in the 2017 draft. When told he wanted to draft Fournette, Caldwell countered with McCaffrey instead. Tough to do your job when someone else holds the keys. 

    I don't like the decision but I understand it. Again, it's more of a condemnation of Coughlin than anything else. 

    As for Marrone, he had better adapt like John Harbaugh did or it will be a quick reprieve. We shall see. 

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    The whole Jaguars situation paints a very ugly picture of former VP Tom Coughlin. He was fired for just cause, fining players in violation of the NFLPA agreement. Behind the scenes he was micro managing practices (upstanding Marrone) , told new OC DeFilippo how he wanted the offense to be run, and overruled GM Caldwell on his decision to draft Pat Mahomes with the #4 pick in the 2017 draft. When told he wanted to draft Fournette, Caldwell countered with McCaffrey instead. Tough to do your job when someone else holds the keys. 

    I don't like the decision but I understand it. Again, it's more of a condemnation of Coughlin than anything else. 

    As for Marrone, he had better adapt like John Harbaugh did or it will be a quick reprieve. We shall see. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2019 - 2:15 PM ET #17

    The Texans are the only team with a negative DVOA rating to make the playoffs per Football Outsiders. Mitigating the situation is that the Bills are the 2nd worst DVOA team in the playoffs. The Cowboys and the Rams were the only 2 teams in the top 12 of DVOA to miss the playoffs. 

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    The Texans are the only team with a negative DVOA rating to make the playoffs per Football Outsiders. Mitigating the situation is that the Bills are the 2nd worst DVOA team in the playoffs. The Cowboys and the Rams were the only 2 teams in the top 12 of DVOA to miss the playoffs. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2019 - 3:10 PM ET #18

    Can there be anymore injuries to the Seahawks and Eagles? The answer is yes.

    https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-injury-update-brandon-brooks-shoulder-injury

    On a frigin extra point no less.
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    Can there be anymore injuries to the Seahawks and Eagles? The answer is yes.

    https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-injury-update-brandon-brooks-shoulder-injury

    On a frigin extra point no less.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2019 - 10:04 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:

    Can there be anymore injuries to the Seahawks and Eagles? The answer is yes.

    https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-injury-update-brandon-brooks-shoulder-injury

    On a frigin extra point no less.
    I see your Bears cleaned house as they should, how the hell they could have taken Trubinsky while Maholmes and Watson were still on the board is unfathomable. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by undermysac:

    Can there be anymore injuries to the Seahawks and Eagles? The answer is yes.

    https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-injury-update-brandon-brooks-shoulder-injury

    On a frigin extra point no less.
    I see your Bears cleaned house as they should, how the hell they could have taken Trubinsky while Maholmes and Watson were still on the board is unfathomable. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    I see your Bears cleaned house as they should, how the hell they could have taken Trubinsky while Maholmes and Watson were still on the board is unfathomable. 

    The infatuation of any team with him was beyond me.  He's somewhat local, played at a huge high school.   Couldn't beat out Marquis Williams (not 100% on the last name) at UNC and only played like 11 games.   Yeah he was tall, but that was about it.  His good throws were few and far between but I'm sure some cocky execs said 'just give us the size and we'll teach him the tools'.  Don't work that way.

    Then again, I would have never touched Mahomes either from the gimmicky Big12 offense.   He broke a long line of pro QB busts from the conference, but it looks like Baker is gonna start that streak again
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

    I see your Bears cleaned house as they should, how the hell they could have taken Trubinsky while Maholmes and Watson were still on the board is unfathomable. 

    The infatuation of any team with him was beyond me.  He's somewhat local, played at a huge high school.   Couldn't beat out Marquis Williams (not 100% on the last name) at UNC and only played like 11 games.   Yeah he was tall, but that was about it.  His good throws were few and far between but I'm sure some cocky execs said 'just give us the size and we'll teach him the tools'.  Don't work that way.

    Then again, I would have never touched Mahomes either from the gimmicky Big12 offense.   He broke a long line of pro QB busts from the conference, but it looks like Baker is gonna start that streak again
     
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    Posted: Jan. 1, 2020 - 11:10 AM ET #21

    To be fair, not many thought Mahomes would be this good. To pass on Desean Watson is unforgivable.

    I've said this multiple times, but it's ironic that Nagy was the OC in KC and was the biggest scout and promoter of Mahomes. Now he's the Bears head coach and trying to answer questions on why the Bears passes on him.
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    To be fair, not many thought Mahomes would be this good. To pass on Desean Watson is unforgivable.

    I've said this multiple times, but it's ironic that Nagy was the OC in KC and was the biggest scout and promoter of Mahomes. Now he's the Bears head coach and trying to answer questions on why the Bears passes on him.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 1, 2020 - 11:11 AM ET #22

    *passed


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    *passed


     
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    Posted: Jan. 1, 2020 - 12:08 PM ET #23

    At the very least Maholmes proved he was an outstanding  qb Trubinsky not so much, which is not to say he wont end up as a decent qb.
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    At the very least Maholmes proved he was an outstanding  qb Trubinsky not so much, which is not to say he wont end up as a decent qb.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 1, 2020 - 12:46 PM ET #24

    What is the issue with John Dorsey?  Built up KC to a contender then gone.  Brings talent to Browns and then gone.   Control freak?  Something else going on with him
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    What is the issue with John Dorsey?  Built up KC to a contender then gone.  Brings talent to Browns and then gone.   Control freak?  Something else going on with him
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 1, 2020 - 4:04 PM ET #25

    what a shitshow.

     

    https://twitter.com/turnermaney/status/1212141168194138112

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    what a shitshow.

     

    https://twitter.com/turnermaney/status/1212141168194138112

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