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Posted: Dec. 30, 2022 - 3:28 AM ET #76

Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

Here is a question from a similar poll that Trumpers cling to regarding Hunter Biden and public opinion.

Which poll is this? What does Trump have to do with it? Was this a poll of Democrats?

The MRC shared a summary of the poll findings, that includes the question: “At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that evidence exists, including bank transactions the FBI is currently investigating, that directly links Joe Biden and his family to a corrupt financial arrangement between a Chinese company with connections to the Chinese Communist Party that was secretly intended to provide the Biden family with tens of millions of dollars in profits?”

Do you know what the MRC is and why they are even around? Is this who you really would use to back your argument?

If the survey you are referring to asked similar questions, there is little doubt as to why the results indicate what they do. Talk about being biased and leading the reader to a desired conclusion.

If this question, in essence, is not being asked how do you find the opinions of folks about it? That is the point of the poll? I am not sure how much couching was done with the questions. But surely, you understand that THAT IS the question that has to be asked in order to find THAT answer out?

Again, 538 rates the IBD/TIPP POLL as heavily Republican biased.

For example? Where did they say this and what did they base it on.

Even if that is true, does it matter? The Left does not care about the answer to that question. You do get that, right? So, you have to understand a Leftist pollster is NOT going to do that poll.

That is my whole point to you. If they have done it and proved this other one wrong -- it would be easy to use it as an example in your argument.

You tried to question the methodology. But I hope I explained it well enough to you. That is another reason I pointed out that they are seen as very reputable.

This poll predicting election winners right in recent elections has zero correlation with public opinion on Hunter Biden. No clue why you keep bringing that up.

Mainly to how that they do reputable polling and have been established as accurate with an A+ rating -- you doubted this initially and tried to dismiss it because of that.

Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

Here is a question from a similar poll that Trumpers cling to regarding Hunter Biden and public opinion.

Which poll is this? What does Trump have to do with it? Was this a poll of Democrats?

The MRC shared a summary of the poll findings, that includes the question: “At the time you cast your vote for president, were you aware that evidence exists, including bank transactions the FBI is currently investigating, that directly links Joe Biden and his family to a corrupt financial arrangement between a Chinese company with connections to the Chinese Communist Party that was secretly intended to provide the Biden family with tens of millions of dollars in profits?”

Do you know what the MRC is and why they are even around? Is this who you really would use to back your argument?

If the survey you are referring to asked similar questions, there is little doubt as to why the results indicate what they do. Talk about being biased and leading the reader to a desired conclusion.

If this question, in essence, is not being asked how do you find the opinions of folks about it? That is the point of the poll? I am not sure how much couching was done with the questions. But surely, you understand that THAT IS the question that has to be asked in order to find THAT answer out?

Again, 538 rates the IBD/TIPP POLL as heavily Republican biased.

For example? Where did they say this and what did they base it on.

Even if that is true, does it matter? The Left does not care about the answer to that question. You do get that, right? So, you have to understand a Leftist pollster is NOT going to do that poll.

That is my whole point to you. If they have done it and proved this other one wrong -- it would be easy to use it as an example in your argument.

You tried to question the methodology. But I hope I explained it well enough to you. That is another reason I pointed out that they are seen as very reputable.

This poll predicting election winners right in recent elections has zero correlation with public opinion on Hunter Biden. No clue why you keep bringing that up.

Mainly to how that they do reputable polling and have been established as accurate with an A+ rating -- you doubted this initially and tried to dismiss it because of that.

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2022 - 3:37 AM ET #77

@DeezyAZ81

I guess an easy way to see it, would be to honestly ask yourself this question AND answer it for yourself honestly.

Do you think it might have swayed your opinion at any point during the election cycle? Suppose when it first came out, would you have supported another candidate, early on? If you found out after the primaries, would you have second thoughts about supporting Biden at the end, etc., etc.? It would not mean you have to support your guy Trump or any other candidate from the Right. It is not binary choice.

These are questions that really should be asked.

If your answer to those questions is NO. Then I think you really should ask yourself, why NOT? peace_5

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2022 - 7:59 AM ET #78

Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

Quote Originally Posted by Sidehatch: I agree, Trump did admit that he opposes free and fair elections multiple times and also opposes parts of the Constitution that are inconvenient to him. Trump supporters should just move to Russia already. Meanwhile, the rest of us will just get on with our lives. Speciyba comrades! Enjoy the Motherland! I believe Jarrett or Lovethedough mentioned North Korea is more of democracy. They should both move there and report back if they gain Internet access there.

wasn't me, it's liberals who love places like China, Cuba and Venezuela and the latter's socialism.

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2022 - 9:16 AM ET #79

Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: I guess now we wait on the followup from DeezyAZ81 to Jarrett75 on answering his two questions. Poll provided and Act provided. Let us see if the poll is broken down and discussed first or if the Act is. I suspect we will move on to other clouding and deflecting issues -- but I am holding out hope for a good discussion on these two points. Raiders, The poll in question does not exist, so do not expect an answer. Jarrett is making it up, just like the majority of his posts, which are founded on nonsense or straight up lies. jarrett75 = gambleholic63 (banned)

Oh , poor baby you are

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2022 - 9:19 AM ET #80

Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: jarrett75 = gambleholic63 (banned) This Kelly chic knows I am not gambleholic, but she wants to silence me because she doesn't agree with me. She'll just have to get over it. And that response *PROVES* Kelly is correct.

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2022 - 9:21 AM ET #81

Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par: Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:Jarrett is making it up, just like the majority of his posts, which are founded on nonsense or straight up lies. jarrett75 = gambleholic63 (banned) Welp, I suspected as much. There's just no way the banned gambleholic63 would crawl out of here crying and not look for another way to troll here with his usual anti-democrat & ultrapartisan filth. Yes. And he just *PROVED* it yet again, duplicating the exact same childish M.O. that got his former alias gambleholic63 BANNED in the first place! Just watch! We'll see more of the identical same behavior, guaranteed What a useless thread he started, just to annoy his perceived enemies

Like all your useless threads?

and you are the real enemy. Can't wait.

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2022 - 9:25 AM ET #82

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: jarrett75 = gambleholic63 (banned) This Kelly chic knows I am not gambleholic, but she wants to silence me because she doesn't agree with me. She'll just have to get over it. And that response *PROVES* Kelly is correct. I do not see? How? To me it proves the opposite. Been here longer and says he is not. He should know who he is and for sure who he is NOT. You cannot just say someone is someone else and say it is proved when they say it is not. That is not how 'proof' works. You should not just accuse someone of being someone else and at the same time call that other person names -- that means you are indirectly name calling the current person. That is not a cool thing to do.

peace_5

one loser makes a claim

the next loser calls it proof

All I see in them is PROOF of their Trump Derangement Syndrome.

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2022 - 9:30 AM ET #83

Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

Quote Originally Posted by lovethedough: We don't live in a democracy. Our media is state run propaganda worse than North Korea. That's why nobody knows it was Pelosi who turned down security on January 6th and Trump begged supporters to be peaceful. Media also buried the fact that the violent protesters were Antifa democrats dressed in red maga hats and undercover FBI agents. Not trump supporters. Propaganda left that important fact out. So nobody on covers knows the truth about January 6th. That's why Republicans weren't allowed to choose committee members. See the scam? All those conspiracy theories from far right extremists have already been debunked before. Sadly, sheep followers of conspiracy theorists prefer to believe lies instead of truths despite lack of evidences. Besides media, paranoid people also distrust school and science the traditional institutions of truth in society.

hey turdperson

It's always your alleged facts that fall apart

Schiff has proof right?

Where does he keep it? Your Ass?

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2022 - 10:33 AM ET #84

Quote Originally Posted by ColonelKlink:

Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Quote Originally Posted by lovethedough: We don't live in a democracy. Our media is state run propaganda worse than North Korea. That's why nobody knows it was Pelosi who turned down security on January 6th and Trump begged supporters to be peaceful. Media also buried the fact that the violent protesters were Antifa democrats dressed in red maga hats and undercover FBI agents. Not trump supporters. Propaganda left that important fact out. So nobody on covers knows the truth about January 6th. That's why Republicans weren't allowed to choose committee members. See the scam? All those conspiracy theories from far right extremists have already been debunked before. Sadly, sheep followers of conspiracy theorists prefer to believe lies instead of truths despite lack of evidences. Besides media, paranoid people also distrust school and science the traditional institutions of truth in society. hey turdperson It's always your alleged facts that fall apart Schiff has proof right? Where does he keep it? Your Ass?

an_roll_laugh Not saying anything about mr. Person here, butt Schiff can't remember who's ass he hid it in, so he's searching them all in CA. an_laugh an_worship lie

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2022 - 10:48 AM ET #85

Tiktok news

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2022 - 1:28 PM ET #86

Quote Originally Posted by meknowno:

Tiktok news

I would branch out a little more if I were you. peace_5

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2022 - 4:48 PM ET #87

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

Quote Originally Posted by meknowno: Tiktok news I would branch out a little more if I were you.

He's the democrats favorite, a low information voter who just takes the new_poop shoveled in their mouths and do not dispute it. They are the true sheep cult. I mean they probably think Hilary really wipe her hard drive with a cloth. new_laugh_cry

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2022 - 5:24 PM ET #88

Big tech admitted they colluded with the left... they admitted they shaped and molded the public through algorithms...either they are too stupid to realize or embarrassed. This administration has done nothing positive for the people who supposedly , in a fair election , voted for him, as well as the others who did not but are still constituents.

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Posted: Dec. 30, 2022 - 9:12 PM ET #89

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

@DeezyAZ81 I guess an easy way to see it, would be to honestly ask yourself this question AND answer it for yourself honestly. Do you think it might have swayed your opinion at any point during the election cycle? Suppose when it first came out, would you have supported another candidate, early on? If you found out after the primaries, would you have second thoughts about supporting Biden at the end, etc., etc.? It would not mean you have to support your guy Trump or any other candidate from the Right. It is not binary choice. These are questions that really should be asked. If your answer to those questions is NO. Then I think you really should ask yourself, why NOT?

No. None of this $hit matters. Ask yourself why Hunter Biden's dealings should matter while not in office, when Kushner's with the the Gulf/Middle East, and Ivanka's with China did not matter while they were actually serving positions in government under the last administration? Republicans and Trump supporters seem to only care when shady $hit happens on the Dems side. Personally, I think Hunter is a dumbfuc$ slimeball but he isn't holding office or serving in the Biden administration. However, among Republicans there seems to be an inability to admit that Trump's kids are also dumbfuc$k slimeballs who used the government office to enrich themselves. Of course no problem with that from the likes of you or other Trump supporters. Hunter Biden $hit doesn't matter to me because there are no ethical standards in government anymore. Don't even try to act like there were guardrails in place under the last administration.

Also if this $ht were actually important, which it isn't, why are only a few polls (Republican leaning) out of hundreds even asking American voters about it? Hmm. I wonder why. an_light

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Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 12:43 AM ET #90

Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @DeezyAZ81 I guess an easy way to see it, would be to honestly ask yourself this question AND answer it for yourself honestly. Do you think it might have swayed your opinion at any point during the election cycle? Suppose when it first came out, would you have supported another candidate, early on? If you found out after the primaries, would you have second thoughts about supporting Biden at the end, etc., etc.? It would not mean you have to support your guy Trump or any other candidate from the Right. It is not binary choice. These are questions that really should be asked. If your answer to those questions is NO. Then I think you really should ask yourself, why NOT? No. None of this $hit matters. Ask yourself why Hunter Biden's dealings should matter while not in office, when Kushner's with the the Gulf/Middle East, and Ivanka's with China did not matter while they were actually serving positions in government under the last administration? Republicans and Trump supporters seem to only care when shady $hit happens on the Dems side. Personally, I think Hunter is a dumbfuc$ slimeball but he isn't holding office or serving in the Biden administration. However, among Republicans there seems to be an inability to admit that Trump's kids are also dumbfuc$k slimeballs who used the government office to enrich themselves. Of course no problem with that from the likes of you or other Trump supporters.er the last administration. Also if this $ht were actually important, which it isn't, why are only a few polls (Republican leaning)Hunter Biden $hit doesn't matter to me because there are no ethical standards in government anymore. Don't even try to act like there were guardrails in place und out of hundreds even asking American voters about it? Hmm. I wonder why.

I am now beginning to think you really did miss the whole point of the poll.

You really do not see the difference? No idea why people have issue with it?

I really, really would like for you to be able to carry on a discussion without mentioning Trump also. Why do you care so much about him?

We are not talking about Trump's administration; we are not even talking about Biden's administration.

Can you focus on the original issue that you had a problem with initially?

Please address that.

So, it does not matter to YOU because you think there are no ethical standards? What if OTHERS disagree? I know you are far Left and maybe feel that way. My question is still the same -- what about the more center Left voters?

Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @DeezyAZ81 I guess an easy way to see it, would be to honestly ask yourself this question AND answer it for yourself honestly. Do you think it might have swayed your opinion at any point during the election cycle? Suppose when it first came out, would you have supported another candidate, early on? If you found out after the primaries, would you have second thoughts about supporting Biden at the end, etc., etc.? It would not mean you have to support your guy Trump or any other candidate from the Right. It is not binary choice. These are questions that really should be asked. If your answer to those questions is NO. Then I think you really should ask yourself, why NOT? No. None of this $hit matters. Ask yourself why Hunter Biden's dealings should matter while not in office, when Kushner's with the the Gulf/Middle East, and Ivanka's with China did not matter while they were actually serving positions in government under the last administration? Republicans and Trump supporters seem to only care when shady $hit happens on the Dems side. Personally, I think Hunter is a dumbfuc$ slimeball but he isn't holding office or serving in the Biden administration. However, among Republicans there seems to be an inability to admit that Trump's kids are also dumbfuc$k slimeballs who used the government office to enrich themselves. Of course no problem with that from the likes of you or other Trump supporters.er the last administration. Also if this $ht were actually important, which it isn't, why are only a few polls (Republican leaning)Hunter Biden $hit doesn't matter to me because there are no ethical standards in government anymore. Don't even try to act like there were guardrails in place und out of hundreds even asking American voters about it? Hmm. I wonder why.

I am now beginning to think you really did miss the whole point of the poll.

You really do not see the difference? No idea why people have issue with it?

I really, really would like for you to be able to carry on a discussion without mentioning Trump also. Why do you care so much about him?

We are not talking about Trump's administration; we are not even talking about Biden's administration.

Can you focus on the original issue that you had a problem with initially?

Please address that.

So, it does not matter to YOU because you think there are no ethical standards? What if OTHERS disagree? I know you are far Left and maybe feel that way. My question is still the same -- what about the more center Left voters?

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Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 2:10 AM ET #91

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @DeezyAZ81 I guess an easy way to see it, would be to honestly ask yourself this question AND answer it for yourself honestly. Do you think it might have swayed your opinion at any point during the election cycle? Suppose when it first came out, would you have supported another candidate, early on? If you found out after the primaries, would you have second thoughts about supporting Biden at the end, etc., etc.? It would not mean you have to support your guy Trump or any other candidate from the Right. It is not binary choice. These are questions that really should be asked. If your answer to those questions is NO. Then I think you really should ask yourself, why NOT? No. None of this $hit matters. Ask yourself why Hunter Biden's dealings should matter while not in office, when Kushner's with the the Gulf/Middle East, and Ivanka's with China did not matter while they were actually serving positions in government under the last administration? Republicans and Trump supporters seem to only care when shady $hit happens on the Dems side. Personally, I think Hunter is a dumbfuc$ slimeball but he isn't holding office or serving in the Biden administration. However, among Republicans there seems to be an inability to admit that Trump's kids are also dumbfuc$k slimeballs who used the government office to enrich themselves. Of course no problem with that from the likes of you or other Trump supporters.er the last administration. Also if this $ht were actually important, which it isn't, why are only a few polls (Republican leaning)Hunter Biden $hit doesn't matter to me because there are no ethical standards in government anymore. Don't even try to act like there were guardrails in place und out of hundreds even asking American voters about it? Hmm. I wonder why. I am now beginning to think you really did miss the whole point of the poll. You really do not see the difference? No idea why people have issue with it? I really, really would like for you to be able to carry on a discussion without mentioning Trump also. Why do you care so much about him? We are not talking about Trump's administration; we are not even talking about Biden's administration. Can you focus on the original issue that you had a problem with initially? Please address that. So, it does not matter to YOU because you think there are no ethical standards? What if OTHERS disagree? I know you are far Left and maybe feel that way. My question is still the same -- what about the more center Left voters?

I am not far left first off. I am a registered independent. You are seriously asking why I care about Trump???? Hilarious. Wake up. He is about to be the Republican nominee for President in 2024. We should just forget about his administration and what his own kids in office did less than 4 years ago? Hypocritical much??? The question should be why do you not care what Trump, his cronies, or children did in office? You really do not give a $hit about American democracy do you??? Just whatever aligns with political afflliiation or ideology? This guy really said why do I care about Trump when he is running for President again. What an irrational perspective. From your illogical point of view why should I or anyone else care about Hunter Biden's dealings that happened years ago when Joe wasn't President then? You don't make much sense. an_light

No further discussion is needed with you. Dude really asked why I should care about Trump when the guy is a presidential candidate again who tried to disregard the last election. Too funny.

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: @DeezyAZ81 I guess an easy way to see it, would be to honestly ask yourself this question AND answer it for yourself honestly. Do you think it might have swayed your opinion at any point during the election cycle? Suppose when it first came out, would you have supported another candidate, early on? If you found out after the primaries, would you have second thoughts about supporting Biden at the end, etc., etc.? It would not mean you have to support your guy Trump or any other candidate from the Right. It is not binary choice. These are questions that really should be asked. If your answer to those questions is NO. Then I think you really should ask yourself, why NOT? No. None of this $hit matters. Ask yourself why Hunter Biden's dealings should matter while not in office, when Kushner's with the the Gulf/Middle East, and Ivanka's with China did not matter while they were actually serving positions in government under the last administration? Republicans and Trump supporters seem to only care when shady $hit happens on the Dems side. Personally, I think Hunter is a dumbfuc$ slimeball but he isn't holding office or serving in the Biden administration. However, among Republicans there seems to be an inability to admit that Trump's kids are also dumbfuc$k slimeballs who used the government office to enrich themselves. Of course no problem with that from the likes of you or other Trump supporters.er the last administration. Also if this $ht were actually important, which it isn't, why are only a few polls (Republican leaning)Hunter Biden $hit doesn't matter to me because there are no ethical standards in government anymore. Don't even try to act like there were guardrails in place und out of hundreds even asking American voters about it? Hmm. I wonder why. I am now beginning to think you really did miss the whole point of the poll. You really do not see the difference? No idea why people have issue with it? I really, really would like for you to be able to carry on a discussion without mentioning Trump also. Why do you care so much about him? We are not talking about Trump's administration; we are not even talking about Biden's administration. Can you focus on the original issue that you had a problem with initially? Please address that. So, it does not matter to YOU because you think there are no ethical standards? What if OTHERS disagree? I know you are far Left and maybe feel that way. My question is still the same -- what about the more center Left voters?

I am not far left first off. I am a registered independent. You are seriously asking why I care about Trump???? Hilarious. Wake up. He is about to be the Republican nominee for President in 2024. We should just forget about his administration and what his own kids in office did less than 4 years ago? Hypocritical much??? The question should be why do you not care what Trump, his cronies, or children did in office? You really do not give a $hit about American democracy do you??? Just whatever aligns with political afflliiation or ideology? This guy really said why do I care about Trump when he is running for President again. What an irrational perspective. From your illogical point of view why should I or anyone else care about Hunter Biden's dealings that happened years ago when Joe wasn't President then? You don't make much sense. an_light

No further discussion is needed with you. Dude really asked why I should care about Trump when the guy is a presidential candidate again who tried to disregard the last election. Too funny.

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Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 2:46 AM ET #92

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I am not far left first off.

You may not feel that way. But from all indications on here from what you say and support you seem to be. It is what it is. Not that big of a deal. Too many people try to swerve what they are.

I am a registered independent.

Not sure that matters. Many people register all sorts of things when they first start to vote. People change. For example, I doubt you supported any Republican candidates in 2016, when there were like 19 of various sorts.

You are seriously asking why I care about Trump????

Absolutely I am asking that. Especially when the topic here has nothing at all to do with Trump. The question was not: if not Biden, then Trump. That was not the poll at all. You have to be able, at some point, to debate the topic and not swerve it.

Hilarious. Wake up. He is about to be the Republican nominee for President in 2024. We should just forget about his administration and what his own kids in office did less than 4 years ago?

You can go to one of the numerous threads and 'debate' that with one of the Trump cheerleaders. That is not for this thread.

Hypocritical much???

This is not really a complete sentence. I never feel that when someone uses phrases like that that they are about to follow it up with anything pertinent.

The question should be why do you not care what Trump, his cronies, or children did in office? You really do not give a $hit about American democracy do you??? Just whatever aligns with political afflliiation or ideology?

See, you go right to Trump again? The hypocrisy would be answering the POLL QUESTION, or dismissing it, while constantly bring up Trump for similar things. This is NOT about Trump.

This guy really said why do I care about Trump when he is running for President again. What an irrational perspective. From your illogical point of view why should I or anyone else care about Hunter Biden's dealings that happened years ago when Joe wasn't President then? You don't make much sense.

No sir. I am flat-out asking you why you cannot answer a question about something that had nothing to do with Trump, without bringing Trump up? I could care less about him. Go to the other threads for that discussion.

No further discussion is needed with you. Dude really asked why I should care about Trump when the guy is a presidential candidate again who tried to disregard the last election. Too funny.

Again you are bringing Trump up. You have to see how this does not make sense.

You started this whole thing off like you had some ideas on how to back up your issues with the poll.

You finally admitted there was a poll -- you did not believe that at first.

You finally saw that this was done by a respected pollster with solid methodology -- you did not believe that at first.

So, all I would like to know from you is are you disputing the results? Would you have had reservations if you knew this information beforehand? If you would not -- since you claim NOT to be far Left -- why not?

Obviously, the poll found that some people would have. Why do you not believe that?

These are reasonable questions that YOU have to be able to answer or respond to WITHOUT bringing up Trump.

I am not saying these folks would go vote for Trump instead -- I think maybe you are thinking that is the only option. It is not.

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I am not far left first off.

You may not feel that way. But from all indications on here from what you say and support you seem to be. It is what it is. Not that big of a deal. Too many people try to swerve what they are.

I am a registered independent.

Not sure that matters. Many people register all sorts of things when they first start to vote. People change. For example, I doubt you supported any Republican candidates in 2016, when there were like 19 of various sorts.

You are seriously asking why I care about Trump????

Absolutely I am asking that. Especially when the topic here has nothing at all to do with Trump. The question was not: if not Biden, then Trump. That was not the poll at all. You have to be able, at some point, to debate the topic and not swerve it.

Hilarious. Wake up. He is about to be the Republican nominee for President in 2024. We should just forget about his administration and what his own kids in office did less than 4 years ago?

You can go to one of the numerous threads and 'debate' that with one of the Trump cheerleaders. That is not for this thread.

Hypocritical much???

This is not really a complete sentence. I never feel that when someone uses phrases like that that they are about to follow it up with anything pertinent.

The question should be why do you not care what Trump, his cronies, or children did in office? You really do not give a $hit about American democracy do you??? Just whatever aligns with political afflliiation or ideology?

See, you go right to Trump again? The hypocrisy would be answering the POLL QUESTION, or dismissing it, while constantly bring up Trump for similar things. This is NOT about Trump.

This guy really said why do I care about Trump when he is running for President again. What an irrational perspective. From your illogical point of view why should I or anyone else care about Hunter Biden's dealings that happened years ago when Joe wasn't President then? You don't make much sense.

No sir. I am flat-out asking you why you cannot answer a question about something that had nothing to do with Trump, without bringing Trump up? I could care less about him. Go to the other threads for that discussion.

No further discussion is needed with you. Dude really asked why I should care about Trump when the guy is a presidential candidate again who tried to disregard the last election. Too funny.

Again you are bringing Trump up. You have to see how this does not make sense.

You started this whole thing off like you had some ideas on how to back up your issues with the poll.

You finally admitted there was a poll -- you did not believe that at first.

You finally saw that this was done by a respected pollster with solid methodology -- you did not believe that at first.

So, all I would like to know from you is are you disputing the results? Would you have had reservations if you knew this information beforehand? If you would not -- since you claim NOT to be far Left -- why not?

Obviously, the poll found that some people would have. Why do you not believe that?

These are reasonable questions that YOU have to be able to answer or respond to WITHOUT bringing up Trump.

I am not saying these folks would go vote for Trump instead -- I think maybe you are thinking that is the only option. It is not.

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Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 11:01 AM ET #93

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So for those uneducated, the Democrat party has been the most racist party possibly in the world. They were the party of the KKK and most any racist thing that happened in history, a Democrat was probably responsible for it. MLK, yep you guessed it, a Democrat. So what's changed, not much. They used to be the party of strong borders, Clinton even passing immigration bills in the 90's harsher penalizing illegal aliens. So now they are all for illegals coming into the U.S. why? Well look no further than cheap labor, a tactic previously frowned upon, is now being welcomed. Even Pelosi a few months back was all for illegals coming and helping pick crops. My opinion is they have promised and promised brown people for so long and never come through, that they had to find a new voter crop to indoctrinate. Many Hispanics that have been in the country long enough to see the Democrats at work are now voting Republican. See many blue districts, flipping red. But this is sad to see Democrats back up to their old ways of cheap slave labor.

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Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 11:09 AM ET #94

Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75:

Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: [? I bet you cannot answer these questions because you just spew Trump's talking points with no facts or statistical data. The Republicans and Trump do not do a thing for brown folks but since they say they do you just believe it. Glad you finally got up. I've been at work for 3+ hours. I named bills, now it's your turn. What's something that has benefited or helped black/brown people to get out of poverty and not encouraged them to stay on the government tit. Obama phones, "Affordable Care Act" and that housing travesty do not count as it caused more credit. The Democrats want to keep black/brown people poor so they can depend on their vote. What's all the bills that the left has done that has TRULY helped black/brown people. No you didn't name billS. You named a single bill as in ONE Bill. The First Step Act is relatively new and we do not even know the effects yet. Obama and DEMS have countless bills aimed at assisting Brown people, Affordable Care Act (Major success in getting millions health insurance), Freedom to Vote Act, the HELP Act, The Raise the Wage Act, and many others. Interestingly enough, your GOP that you claim cares about Brown people so much stonewalled or attempted to block each one of these bills from passing. I wonder why??? I can tell you it isn't because your party cares about brown folks.

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Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 11:15 AM ET #95

Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

Quote Originally Posted by Jarrett75: Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: [? I bet you cannot answer these questions because you just spew Trump's talking points with no facts or statistical data. The Republicans and Trump do not do a thing for brown folks but since they say they do you just believe it. Glad you finally got up. I've been at work for 3+ hours. I named bills, now it's your turn. What's something that has benefited or helped black/brown people to get out of poverty and not encouraged them to stay on the government tit. Obama phones, "Affordable Care Act" and that housing travesty do not count as it caused more credit. The Democrats want to keep black/brown people poor so they can depend on their vote. What's all the bills that the left has done that has TRULY helped black/brown people. No you didn't name billS. You named a single bill as in ONE Bill. The First Step Act is relatively new and we do not even know the effects yet. Obama and DEMS have countless bills aimed at assisting Brown people, Affordable Care Act (Major success in getting millions health insurance), Freedom to Vote Act, the HELP Act, The Raise the Wage Act, and many others. Interestingly enough, your GOP that you claim cares about Brown people so much stonewalled or attempted to block each one of these bills from passing. I wonder why??? I can tell you it isn't because your party cares about brown folks. jarrett75 = BANNED gambleholic63

put your account on the line, keep calling me someone else. You Dems make baseless claims and no evidence.

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Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 12:35 PM ET #96

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

@DeezyAZ81 This is NOT about Trump. This guy really said why do I care about Trump when he is running for President again. What an irrational perspective. From your illogical point of view why should I or anyone else care about Hunter Biden's dealings that happened years ago when Joe wasn't President then? You don't make much sense. No sir. I am flat-out asking you why you cannot answer a question about something that had nothing to do with Trump, without bringing Trump up? I could care less about him. Go to the other threads for that discussion. No further discussion is needed with you. Dude really asked why I should care about Trump when the guy is a presidential candidate again who tried to disregard the last election. Too funny. Again you are bringing Trump up. You have to see how this does not make sense. You started this whole thing off like you had some ideas on how to back up your issues with the poll. You finally admitted there was a poll -- you did not believe that at first. You finally saw that this was done by a respected pollster with solid methodology -- you did not believe that at first. So, all I would like to know from you is are you disputing the results? Would you have had reservations if you knew this information beforehand? If you would not -- since you claim NOT to be far Left -- why not? Obviously, the poll found that some people would have. Why do you not believe that? These are reasonable questions that YOU have to be able to answer or respond to WITHOUT bringing up Trump. I am not saying these folks would go vote for Trump instead -- I think maybe you are thinking that is the only option. It is not.

None of this makes an ounce of sense. confused

Good effort though.

This guy really does not think Hunter Biden accusations have anything to do with Trump? confused Hilarious.

Get a clue. The guy claims the suppression of Hunter Biden stories are the reason he lost the election. Trump's attorney kept trying to feed Hunter stories and the laptop to the media. Somehow you think there is no correlation between these stories and polls about Hunter Biden and the efforts of the right and Trump to secure the presidency. You are naive and clueless clearly, yet try to appear as some critical thinker.

Carry on. Not worth debating since you are not very good at this and have a very narrow mind.

Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

@DeezyAZ81 This is NOT about Trump. This guy really said why do I care about Trump when he is running for President again. What an irrational perspective. From your illogical point of view why should I or anyone else care about Hunter Biden's dealings that happened years ago when Joe wasn't President then? You don't make much sense. No sir. I am flat-out asking you why you cannot answer a question about something that had nothing to do with Trump, without bringing Trump up? I could care less about him. Go to the other threads for that discussion. No further discussion is needed with you. Dude really asked why I should care about Trump when the guy is a presidential candidate again who tried to disregard the last election. Too funny. Again you are bringing Trump up. You have to see how this does not make sense. You started this whole thing off like you had some ideas on how to back up your issues with the poll. You finally admitted there was a poll -- you did not believe that at first. You finally saw that this was done by a respected pollster with solid methodology -- you did not believe that at first. So, all I would like to know from you is are you disputing the results? Would you have had reservations if you knew this information beforehand? If you would not -- since you claim NOT to be far Left -- why not? Obviously, the poll found that some people would have. Why do you not believe that? These are reasonable questions that YOU have to be able to answer or respond to WITHOUT bringing up Trump. I am not saying these folks would go vote for Trump instead -- I think maybe you are thinking that is the only option. It is not.

None of this makes an ounce of sense. confused

Good effort though.

This guy really does not think Hunter Biden accusations have anything to do with Trump? confused Hilarious.

Get a clue. The guy claims the suppression of Hunter Biden stories are the reason he lost the election. Trump's attorney kept trying to feed Hunter stories and the laptop to the media. Somehow you think there is no correlation between these stories and polls about Hunter Biden and the efforts of the right and Trump to secure the presidency. You are naive and clueless clearly, yet try to appear as some critical thinker.

Carry on. Not worth debating since you are not very good at this and have a very narrow mind.

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Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 12:56 PM ET #97

Raiders thinks that political polls are narrow and are not impacted by political and media context, candidates in upcoming elections, sitting president, and current events. You clearly cannot be this clueless can you? You think people's views of Hunter and Joe Biden are not impacted by Trump (former President) and likely 2024 candidate when he is the opposing candidate on the ticket. Come on man, just admit you are wrong, the two are related, even if you are too stubborn to admit it. Everyone in the forum except you can see that.

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"There was a poll after some media finally admitted after 2 years that the Biden laptop was real. The people polled said had they known about this laptop and the corruption in the Biden family, it would have swayed them away from voting for Biden"

Who was the other choice on the Presidential ticket Raiders? Wasn't it Trump? You still cannot see how they are related? If they wouldn't have voted for Biden, who was the other possibility? I'll give you a clue...Trump.

This isn't difficult to see how Trump is related to this Hunter Biden nonsense. Stop trying to deny the correlation. It's absurd and tired.

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Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 1:01 PM ET #98

@DeezyAZ81

None of this makes an ounce of sense.

Maybe slow down and read it again, makes perfect sense. But only about the original topic.

Good effort though.

This guy really does not think Hunter Biden accusations have anything to do with Trump? Hilarious.

It doesn't have anything to do with Trump. Hunter is NOT Trump's son and was not in the Democratic primary. Try to stay caught up on the topic.

Get a clue. The guy claims the suppression of Hunter Biden stories are the reason he lost the election. Trump's attorney kept trying to feed Hunter stories and the laptop to the media. Somehow you think there is no correlation between these stories and polls about Hunter Biden and the efforts of the right and Trump to secure the presidency. You are naive and clueless clearly, yet try to appear as some critical thinker.

No idea why Trump is stuck in you head. You seriously cannot answer any of the above questions without mentioning Trump.

Okay. Mention Trump all you like -- BUT STILL ANSWER the question(s). Is that so hard?

Carry on. Not worth debating since you are not very good at this and have a very narrow mind.

Is that your way of giving up and swerving the topic? Since you could not get away with the deflection and clouding -- you simply quit.

Then the topic should be resolved against you. There was a poll AND it is legitimate AND a lot of Democratic voters AGREED with the poll.

Maybe you did not, but at this point it is CLEAR you cannot dispute that FACT. an_cheers

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Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 1:05 PM ET #99

Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

Raiders thinks that political polls are narrow and are not impacted by political and media context, candidates in upcoming elections, sitting president, and current events. You clearly cannot be this clueless can you? You think people's views of Hunter and Joe Biden are not impacted by Trump (former President) and likely 2024 candidate when he is the opposing candidate on the ticket. Come on man, just admit you are wrong, the two are related, even if you are too stubborn to admit it. Everyone in the forum except you can see that.

Where did I say that about polls?

They ARE related if you make it a binary choice -- I do not accept that. I gave you the examples of Romney and McCain, etc.

The poll did NOT ask about Trump. That was not the intent.

Would the information have impacted voters if they knew beforehand -- they said yes. You imply for you, no.

I am asking you why not for you? That is a question you should be able to answer.

I am asking why you do not see that for others it would have mattered -- that seems to be where your lack of critical thinking is coming into play. peace_5

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Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 1:09 PM ET #100

There was a poll AND it is legitimate AND a lot of Democratic voters AGREED with the poll. Maybe you did not, but at this point it is CLEAR you cannot dispute that FACT

I confirmed there was a poll 3 pages ago. Where have you been???

You keep mentioning the poll is rated as A+? By who? Who makes this determination? What is it based on? Correct election predictions? Who rates it? Because you told me that 538's ratings revealing Republican bias don't matter, so why should the A+ rating matter all of the sudden?

A lot of Democratic voters agreed? According to who? This one poll? How are you making this assumption? How many people participated in this single poll?

I haven't seen you reveal this data. How do you jump to the conclusion that a lot of Democratic voters agreed??? that is far fetched. This poll was only of Democratic voters and not Independents? Says who? only democrats participated?

You seem to be making things up about this single poll.

If many Democrats agree that Hunter Biden would have swayed their votes away from Joe, show me the numerous other polls that reveal this???

I'll wait. I know you don't have answers to any of these questions.

Let's see how well you can respond.

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