Democrat party, the face of slavery then and now.

But thank you for replying and finally, sort of, admitting this sort of thing gives folks something to reconsider.  

That is mostly what I was looking for.  
Some good things in there.  

Who are you talking to?  Your cheerleaders?

I am asking you if you believed it could be true, since now you admit there was a poll?

You have not tried at all to refute the poll.  You have just scattered all sorts of other things in the mix.  This is deflection and clouding.  That is not how a good debate or argument works. It is NOT about refuting a SINGLE poll.  I am asking you if you believe the results are accurate?

I was talking to Darkhorse, who I quoted in my response. Read above. He also called out how silly you sound calling a single poll right and referring to opinion poll as right versus wrong. 

You must be slow. You still don't get it do you? As numerous posters have pointed out to you, the single poll you are referring is not right or wrong so how can it be refuted? Why on Earth are you saying it needs to be refuted? It's not factual.

I know this is going over your simple mind. You are just arguing to hear yourself talk at this point, and making yourself look more foolish with every response. 

@DeezyAZ81

Even in other posts besides that one you are saying 'he'.  It should be 'you'.  

But that aside. This is my whole point to you:  I do NOT believe the poll is correct at all!  You have not one time stopped to even consider or ask that.

That is where I want the discussion to be.  I believe the poll was done and I believe the numbers are really what they got.

My point to you is that I do NOT think they are truly reflective.  

With Republicans, maybe; with Democrats, no way I believe it changes their mind at all!

For the very reasons I have stated to you before.  The Left will always unite behind their candidate -- no matter what.  The Right is much more apt to stay home if they are disgruntled with their selection.  I actually respect that.  

I believe the folks believe what they said in the poll -- but when they get in the booth, it is a whole other deal.  

So, if you could have a reasonable conversation without clouding the issue with other problems or deflecting to another subject, that is what I want to know from you.

I wanted to know if you felt that way or not -- since I assumed you voted for Biden?

But you would not even admit a poll was done.  Finally you did.

Then you finally, sort of, admitted that if you had known beforehand, it would have given you pause.  But you will not commit to going further in the discussion without sidestepping.

I appreciate you trying, I really do.   Most on the Left here will not even try to discuss anything.

So, when you have a minute -- consider what I said.  I think there used to 8ish% or so that could be swayed -- I would wager it is much closer to half of that now, say 4%.

So, my question --when you have time to consider it is still the same -- do you REALLY think it would have affected the way you thought? 

Yes Darkhorse means well, he just likes to stir things up.  I wouldn't let him interrupt your train of thought.  It is NOT about just one poll.  That poll was to simply try to reinforce an idea people are pushing.  But there have been many articles and pundits that have expressed those same sentiments, so it is way more than just a poll.  It is a thought held by many people -- I say they are flat-out wrong on this.  What do you say? 

Of course I initially doubted the original poster's claim because he is highly partisan and biased, and did not even name the poll, or the date, or the source, so I was skeptical. Once it was listed, I researched and saw it was real, which I admitted 4 pages ago. Stop clinging to that. You believe the results of the poll and I do not. Plain and simple. There is nothing to be refuted. You cannot prove that the numbers are real, just like I cannot prove that they are not. Neither of us has access to the actual survey results of the said poll.

The fact that no other poll exists that shows similar findings shows that a trend or a pattern does not even exist to support such claims, which is why I think this specific said poll is meaningless.  There is nothing to really refute. 

Again, when thinking about if the information, would impact the way I thought or voted in the election, it depends. If Biden's opponent was still Trump, it would not have changed the way I voted or thought because I possess evidence that he and his family members are just as shady and dirtier than the Bidens. To me, neither candidate was a good choice, but I was more comfortable with Biden in office. 

Like you can prevent me from interjecting my thoughts and what I say in an open forum. You are as demented as the other fake republicans in this thread. The only difference between you and them is they spread there BS in short paragraphs while have to write a novel. 

I always welcome your thoughts Darkhorse. 

No sir.  I always welcome your input.  It is fine.  Not trying to prevent it, it is just to stir things up usually is all.  No biggie to me.

The you say you believe the results of the poll -- that is what I am asking you.  You believe they are accurate or not?  I do not believe they are.  I think that they think they are AND I think the people that answered the poll believe they were sincerely answering it.  But I think the folks are 'lying' to themselves and therefore the pollsters.

Yes or no?  Is that what you are saying as well?

@DeezyAZ81

 Again, when thinking about if the information, would impact the way I thought or voted in the election, it depends. If Biden's opponent was still Trump, it would not have changed the way I voted or thought because I possess evidence that he and his family members are just as shady and dirtier than the Bidens. To me, neither candidate was a good choice, but I was more comfortable with Biden in office.

Correct.  I agree with you on this.  But my point is I do not think it matters who the Republican candidate was at the end.  I think the overwhelming majority would vote for Biden, regardless.  I think they would like to think an ethical issue would matter.  But in the end, their obligation to the party matters more.  Do you think this as well?

I think it shows the Democrats stick together way more than the Republicans do.

@darkhorse12 

 Yes, mine will take longer because it is just not emotions.  I try to back it up with data or facts when possible.  I certainly would not use the adjectives you just used.  I do not think that adds to the dialogue.  I am a pretty sincere Conservative.  I am not sure what you mean by them being fake Republicans?  They certainly seem sincere to me -- they sure are not Democrats.  Maybe I misunderstood what you meant by fake though. 

@Raiders22

 You are hilarious. You say I like to stir things up, you say you wouldn’t let me interrupt deezys train of thought. You don’t want to see the kind of adjectives I sometimes use then don’t antagonize me. Actually those adjectives I used were pretty calm compared to what I could have used. 
 

@darkhorse12

Yes Darkhorse means well, he just likes to stir things up.  I wouldn't let him interrupt your train of thought.

 No sir.  I said he should not let you interrupt him.  I have hard enough time trying to keep these guys stay focused on one issue at a time.  hen when their cheerleaders come in they get sidetracked is all.  Then I have to try to steer it back to topic.  Not antagonizing you.  I think you just read my reply to him and misunderstood the tenses.   

But if you have thoughts on if information would change your voting mind -- I am very interested?