So how many of your conspiracy theories have panned out? You might have a better record than alex jones if 1 does.
No business should be bailed out, period ! When you start a business you assume risks. This is one of those risks. It's called capitalism.
1) 60,000 is not a typical flu year. That's an extremely high flu year.
2) Even with a vaccine, we've never experienced viral mitigation efforts like these.
3) Flu deaths are spread out over the country. There's usually a much higher proliferation of the different strains of flu virus. If this became as wide spread as the flu, we'd be fucked.
Why people continue trying to compare this to the flu is beyond me. This is not the flu.
In total, the CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died. That’s fairly on par with a typical season, and well below the CDC’s 2017-2018 estimates of 48.8 million illnesses, 959,000 hospitalizations and 79,400 deaths.
This guy thinks capitalism is when the government forces you to close your business.
Nice comparison you make. Now address the reason I stated. If you can?
We've had bad years but on average, the flu kills in the range of 30K a year. And to be fair for comparison, most of those occur durin the flu season, which depending who you ask, is about 5-7 months. Both viruses are spread virtually the same and seem to live for a similar period of time on surfaces. Some symptoms are the same, fever body aches, chills however they seem to be severly more acute with Corona. Corona viruses cause SARS and MERS though, and that is maybe the biggest difference between Influenza and Corona. That is a big difference.
As far as dissecting the numbers, it's nearly impossible. It's impossible to know how many people come into contact with influenza every year, and how may contract it without symptoms. The same can be said of Corona. However if we judge by those who those who are atleast sick enough to seak medical attention, not necessarily hospitalization but a trip to the doctor, the numbers would show how much more deadly Corona virus is. It's all in the way it attacks the respiratory system.
I don’t think he was trying to be funny. 
I think he was just pointing out one of the differences is that the coronavirus has generally not hit children, whereas the flu hits them harder. Numbers are relative but 172:3 is just the deaths. But aside from deaths, flu strikes kids harder as far as hospitalizations and illnesses as well. They say one of the few bright spots in this pandemic is that children are not being hit that hard like the H1N1 (1180 deaths) did or the seasonal flu does. For example:
One more death was reported this week, making 172 child deaths reported for the 2017-18 flu season, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.
CDC says three kids have died from suspected coronavirus in US.
People at higher risk of developing flu complicationsinclude:
children younger than age 5, especially those younger than age 2
Yeah, but 172, out of the tens of thousands of flu deaths corona deniers like to throw around, is a very small number. Definitely not enough to make the statement that, "the flu kills kids unlike corona virus." Quite the contrary. The numbers say that the flu doesn't kill kids. Like many viruses, both disproportionately are going to kill those with underlying conditions and the elderly but the coroba virus seems to be deadlier for healthy adults. I'll go a step further. If someone with asthma dies from corona, you could easily chalk it up to underlying an condition. You could do the same for the flu but the chances of a otherwise healthy adult dying from the flu simply because of having asthma are relatively low.
I don't know why people seek to twist facts, deny, and worst of all, politicize this thing. This is not the flu. They have some similarities, as do many viruses. Many viruses are spread the same way. Most cause fever. The body tries to smoke out intruders. These two aren't the samw though. Corona is a lot more deadly and from the looks of things, a lot more easily communicable. My guess is b/c though influenza strains mutate, most of us have had oue entire lifes to build up some semblance of immunity. Most of us have received a flu shot at atleast some point in our lives. I just saw a story where corona swept through a Safeway warehouse, infecting 50+ people and killing one. You don't ever hear of the flu sweeping through places of work like that.
True, somewhat. The flu does kill kids, whereas Coronavirus does not. The death numbers do not show thousands — but the ratio is way skewed toward the flu, obviously.
But the key thing is that the flu sickens and hospitalizes kids disproportionately.
Yes. There is evidence of number twisting with Coronavirus for sure. But there is also that with the flu as well. There are even CDC miners showing just a very few thousand deaths — the rest are mainly from pneumonia. So, certainly both sides play with the numbers.
I think he was just pointing out, as you say, they are politicizing Coronavirus — and why don’t they do it with the flu or even car crashes, etc.
I wrote a very long in-depth detailed article a while back about how we study this things and the Ro and the Pareto Principle. But as you say, yes, to a certain extent the immunity will build up and be absorbed into the strains.
For example this is an except from one study. But as we say — it has an agenda as well. They think the Flu is a very big money-maker for Big Pharma with the visits and vaccines, etc. But as with anything it is a matter of perspective I think.
But here's the thing — no one reads the actual statistics. They read the version that's condensed into a short report. And IT only lists "influenza and pneumonia." This makes the number seem much, much bigger than it is. For example: 56,979 people died of "influenza and pneumonia" in 2013. That's a scary number. And putting the word "influenza" first insinuates that flu is the primary cause of death. But...in reality, only 3,697 died of the actual flu. The other 53,282 died of pneumonia.
Of course, workplaces have outbreaks of flu. That is why they encourage you to say home if you get the flu or think you do, it can shut whole shops or offices down. That is why healthcare workers at a lot of places get the flu shot each year. Cruise ships are a good study on this. That is why the ship they just let dock a couple of days ago made the news – they were isolated and no one got the Coronavirus.
You are right – you may not hear about it that much. But the Flu is a known entity; the Coronavirus is new and more infectious and more deadly. So, of course it makes for more enticing news. Sure, there may be a more political bent to it as well. Here are two example headlines:
Influenza B Virus Outbreak on a Cruise Ship --- Northern Europe, 2000
Nearly 300 people sick with stomach virus aboard a Royal Caribbean cruise ship
Here's what you need to know about norovirus, also known as the stomach flu
Few people actually die from exposure to common influenza strains just few people die merely from exposure to coronaviruses per se. They die from related ailments, i.e. pneumonia, ect. So tracking numbers can seem tricky but this is one of my two root reasons why coronaviruses are so much more deadly than the most flu strains we come into contact with. Coronaviruses cause respiratory ailments such as SARS, MERS, in addition to pneumonia. And those conditions are far more grave. The second reason, and I spoke of this earlier, is that we've had a chance to build up immunity to common influenza. Most of us have had atleast one flu shot in life, though the strains around today probably bear little resenblance to what we received. Flu is around us every year though. We've been exposed to it our entire lifes. Nobody has been exposed to this though, unless you hang around chinese labs where they engineer bioweapons to destroy America. I'll use another virus as an example. One at the bottom of your quote. Norovirus, often referred to in the past as Norwalk virus can be called "stomach flu" or "food poisoning" but both are kind of generic, catch all terms. It's a virus that does cause severe stomach sickness. And it is often foodborne but it is highly, highly communicable person to person. So it has been known through the years to rip through cruise ships. Rip through nursing homes, ect.
I haven't had a flu shot since childhood over 25 years ago. I haven't had the flu shot once in that time and i'm highly sociable. Figure it's just a good immune system, right? I've had norovirus twice. Neither from a cruise ship. Pretty sure neither from food even. What's the difference? I'm no expert but I would posit that while I haven't had a flu shot in over 25 years, I have had them. I've had a lifetime exposure. We haven't had that to Corona. Try to compare the numbers all you like but the only reason they're even close is because we've been in lockdowm for over a month. When's the last time we did that for a bad flu outbreak. This is not the flu. It spreads more easily, possibly much more easily and it kills more ruthlessly.
Yes. The numbers are hard to track with regard to infection rates, death rates, and for sure death causes. That is why some years back the adjustment was made by the way the deaths are classified.
Yeah. Me either. I have never had the flu vaccine. I’m not really opposed to it for folks, especially the elderly, etc. I have just been lucky to never really get sick.
Exactly correct about the exposure. That is why we generally use the 20/80 as a gauge coupled with the deaths and ‘theoretical’ immunity. The issue is the mortality rate with this as opposed to say H1N1 or flu — even with different flu stains, some seasons are far worse.
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