Economic models predict clear Obama win in November

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

not really that surprising

as per pokerbrokers request

 

 

los angeles angels- new york yankees over 10

 

detroit- tampa bay over 8 1/2

Congratulations MTA, I guess that means he won, why don't we forego the election and crown him king, after all he is our savior, the second coming, a Christ like figure... 

 

In reality he's a puppet just like every other politician...

 

President = Figure Head

 

If he gets in what's gonna really change?  A tweak here... A tweak there...

 

I find it ironic that all these left wing anti war folk seem to have no problem with the fact that he wants to continue fighting in Afghanistan and that he really isn't going to move troops out of Irag immediatley.  His rhetoric began with Obama claiming he would began troop withdrawals on day 1 now it's 18 months and he's going to start a fighting in Afghanistan again... LOL

 

You sure are funny though... thanks for the humor...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

actually wall right now is a great time to make money and see that

 

continuing as long as the negative news continues to come out

 

every month in regards to unemployment-foreclosures-falls in the

 

stock market- etc

 

the programs that mccain is offering is the same programs that

 

we have seen for the past 8 years but more importantly these are

 

the same plans that we have been seeing for the past 50 years

 

and unfortunately we dont live in 1968 anymore this is 2008 and

 

big corporations are not the answer to the long term employment

 

future of this country but the gop keep gearing their economic

 

policies to them

 

again i dont think that highly of obamas plans either but at least

 

when he wins it may create the necessary change from the gop

 

going forward

 

 

 

 

ab learn your facts- he has maintained from day one that it will

 

take a period of time to get the troops out of iraq

 

 

as for afghanistan i think he has also been pretty clear it was this

 

administration who took its eye off the ball there and have really

 

screwed this up

 

 

i am sure the far left tree huggers dont want to be there either

 

however i am not one of them and i have and still want us to finish

 

the job of the people who created that tragedy back on september

 

11 and so does obama

 

mccain wants to stay in iraq for the next 100 years and hell with

 

the people who caused 3000 deaths on that tragic day

 

 

but thank you for the good laugh- your lack of intelligence always

 

brings a smile to my face

Of course MTA references "facts" and then manipulates McCains words about staying in Iraq for the next 100 years to insinuate that we'd be fighting a war.  We have bases world wide.. that's what he was referring to.  But you cna play that political game.  As I told you it makes no difference who gets in. 

 

Obama has already moved from being the anti-war president to the let's start the same war all over again.  I'm sure you'll find a way to rationalize this.  Go ahead.  It doesn't really matter.  Drink whatever flavor of kool-aid you like best.  But don't pretend that Obama has been consistent.

 

MTA, is knowledgable because he spits out Obamas rhetoric, 

anyone that disagrees is uninformed.  I see why you like Obama he panders to you. 

ab tell you what i will give you the opportunity to prove me wrong

 

 

please post a link to anything that obama has said for you to 

 

state he is anti-war? now if i remember correctly the words he 

 

used in regards to iraq were- he is not against war he is

 

against dumb wars 

 

lets see what he had to say and then i will give you the opportunity

 

to prove me wrong but i doubt that will happen because you are

 

not intelligent enough to know real facts just this make believe

 

crap in that mind of yours

 

here is part of his speech back before the iraq invasion started

 

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again. I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the President today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings. You want a fight, President Bush?

 

 

so ab please show me where obama has gone from being

 

anti-war to lets start the same war all over again- love to see

 

what kool aid you pull out now or how quickly you disappear

 

First, please provide a date to this speech and to whom and where it was given.

 

Second, Obama was not a Senator during 9/11/2001.  He did not vote on or against the war like he claims to so proudly.

 

Since you're so smart you should've known that already.

 

The Senate vote was 99-1 on the war.  Only one Senator voted against and that was Bernie Sanders an Independent.

 

If you have followed the campaign coverage between Hillary and Obama for the last year then you'd very well know that the foundation for his candidacy has been built on the back of the anti-war movement.  His popularity grew because of this very fact.  How exactly is that you think he's put together this youth movement?  Come on man.  Let's be serious.  It's only since Obamas secured the nomination that he's began to publicly speak about Afghanistan as he strategically tries to postion himself toward the center of the political spectrum.  This is reality.  He very well may have had thoughts of goign after Osama but that is not how he won the nomination.  In fact it was the exact opposite.  A complete withdrawal from Iraq was his go to line.  And this fairy tale idea that he voted against the war when he wasn't even a Senator when the initial vote took place.

 

Godspeed,

 

Abaum87 

 

 

 

 

In addition:  I really don't like either candidate, I think they're both full of shit, as usual.  But Obama full of shit meter stinks so bad it makes me ill.   It bothers me because he provides people with a false sense of hope, like he's a savior.  We've already had one president, Geoerge W. Bush, that thinks God speaks to him.  Personally I don't want a second one.

 

 

where did i say he voted against the iraq war? but more importantly

 

where has obama ever stated he voted against the iraq war as you

 

state he has?

 

He did not vote on or against the war like he claims to so proudly.

 

and if you actually followed the debates between hillary and obama

 

you would of realized the foundation of his campaign was not the

 

anti war mantra is was the anti iraq mantra just like it was with

 

hillary

 

obama has stated quite clearly since this campaign started with

 

hillary- iraq was one of the biggest blunders in the history of this

 

country and it took us away from the people who are the threat to

 

our security and the people who were the cause of september 11

 

and has made it perfectly clear that will change under his watch

 

so maybe it is about time you actual follow the real news-truth-etc

 

than wherever you are getting your information from now because

 

in most cases you are not even close to being accurate with your

 

thoughts

 

 

so once again ab i have offered you the opportunity to prove me

 

wrong with actual facts and yet nothing from you at all- dont let

 

facts get in the way of a good fairytale

 

another opportunity for you

 

 

lets start with this one and move on to the next

 

 He did not vote on or against the war like he claims to so proudly.

 

And this fairy tale idea that he voted against the war

 

 

really looking forward to the links you provide to show me that i

 

am wrong with those statements of yours- it should be very

 

entertaining see you dance around the issue- yes facts being the

 

issue- fairytales seem to be your fave

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

you miss the point MTA...

 

If he claims to have been against the war from it's inception, he gets the best of both worlds, he doesn't have to vote and he can monday morning quarterback...

 

When it was crunch time and Senators had to vote after a tragedy like 9/11 we don't know what Obama would've done as a Senator.  But he gets to play this game where he acts like he would've done differently.  I just don't beleive it.  The great and wise Joe Biden, Teddy Kennedy, etc... they all fell in line.

 

Going by Obamas history/record he didn't show much backbone concerning his own Pastor.  It was clear for all the world to see that there was soemthing wrong with Rev. Wright but where was Obamas wisdom there?  

 

 

and what you dont get ab is that obama had federal politics in

 

mind back when he made that speech in illinois- and when it was

 

popular to wrap yourself around the war mantra being pushed by

 

the bush administration as koaj has pointed out himself he didnt

 

he called it right that it was stupid and the costs in money-

 

resources- and the loss of american men and women would be

 

astronomical and a waste

 

hillary voted with this administration and later admitted she didnt

 

fully read the information provided for her because it was more

 

politically advantageous not to look weak than to call them on

 

the bullshit like obama did

 

but i did notice john mccain did vote on going into iraq and taking

 

our eye off the people who were the threat to the united states as

 

well as the people who were responsible for that tragic day

 

'dead or alive' remember that statement from this administration

 

to bad we didnt know they meant saddam and not binladen and

 

john mccain voted to move forward instead of finishing off the job

 

at hand and that was to kill or bring to justice the people of 911

 

 

now please provide the links of those two statements you made

 

previously- dont be like others here who claim shit and then dont

 

back up those statements with facts

I will not provide any links to anything...

 

Is it your claim that Obama candidacy was constructed on fighting in Afghanistan?

 

My claim is that his candidacy is based on anti-war voters?

 

There's no links that can prove such a thing.  It's an opinion.

 

I've already told you:  I find Obamas stance that he was against the war from beginning to be meaningless because he didn't have to vote on it.  Many people were against the war before it started.

 

We will never know how he would've voted if he was a Senator at the time of the vote.  I'm sorry that you can't except my response but it's how I feel.

 

I could very well ask you to explain why Obama attended such a radical and racially divisive church and you would have very little explanation.  I could provide plenty of links that supported the notion that his church was racist.  But your willing to believe that he didn't beleive in that aspect of the church.  There are no links that you could provide to factually support your beliefs but you believe them none the less.

 

Well, the same goes for how I feel about Obama and rhetoric about the war.  He gets to monday morning quarterback and personally don't care what he said becuase he creditibility wasn't put to the test because he didn't have to vote like Sen. Clinton. 

 

   

 

 

 

 

ya like Republiscams have been so GREAT for the stock market. I still remember the first two years of "The Great Ronnie" when I was a broker. YIKES!!! 18% interest rates and the 1st time they ran up record deficits. Bush II comes into office after Clinton and the market tanks off record highs (that was even BEFORE 9-11) then he and the Republican "consevative" congressional majority turn a surplus into a NEW record deficit.

 

the current crop of  Republiscams are the most fiscally irresponsable bunch of bullshit artists since LBJ's "guns and butter" policies of the 1960's. LBJ was "tax and spend". W is "spend and put it on the ChiCom credit card". not to mention that energy prices have gone up 200+% since these mutts took office which effects almost EVERYTHING in the economy. I wonder why THAT would happen? could it be maybe because both Bush and Cheney come from the oil patch?

 

 

ab fairly simple things to prove if you are going to throw out

 

fairytales- if you are not going to then just go away because you

 

are no better than certain people in here

 

you make claims like this then have the balls to back them up with

 

facts

 

 

 

 

 

 

Obamas gameplan for getting elected:

 

Tie McCain to Bush...

 

Paint McCain as old and confused...

 

Play the race card...

 

Monday morning quarterback about Iraq when he had the good fortune to not have to take a stand.  I don't beleive he votes against the war in Iraq if he's a Senator in 2000.  Plain and simple.  And without that fictionalized credential what does this guy really have? 

 

 

mets like i have said to you before you wouldnt know a fact if it

 

came knocking on your door- slapped you in the face- and said hi

 

i am a fact

 

now if it was a banana split you would know what that is

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States , or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars.

So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the President today. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's finish the fight with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, through effective, coordinated intelligence, and a shutting down of the financial networks that support terrorism, and a homeland security program that involves more than color-coded warnings. You want a fight, President Bush?

 

 

seems pretty much dead on with all of those statements

 

now what did john mccain have to say around the same time?

 

Of the prospect of war in Iraq, you said, "I believe that success will be fairly easy –"  John McCain., September 24,  2002.

"I believe that we can win an overwhelming victory in a very short period of time –" John McCain, September 29, 2002.

Of the ouster of Saddam and the Baathists: "There’s no doubt in my mind that once these people are gone, that we will be welcomed as liberators – " John McCain, March 24, 2003.

 really johnand this is the man you want to tell us has

the judgement

"maybe its time to go and read some more stuff from terrorists

that you like to post here with what they have to say- glad

to see terrorists are people that you respect for their opinion"

 

Now you are going way too far ..and out of order... President Bill Clinton is not ,nor has he ever been a terrorist...........

 

PokerBroker is on to something stick to sports picks for awhile........ "and plz drop the "by his request" it only shows your not really getting with the rehab program ........being set-up for you......