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According to the Madden ratings I'm being a little generous by saying the Rams have a small advantage at linebacker. It agrees the safeties are a little better for Rams, hardly at all though.
 
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This is what happens when you're too biased for a certain team. I'm completely unbiased and just trying to figure out who wins this game for profit.

1) I was actually betting 5 units on KC and I came away from that game very impressed by Brady's performance. The silly interception in the end zone was a trash play call and begging for something like that to happen. Then Edelman tipped the ball with his fingers creating an easy interception for the defenders. Brady actually had a nice game and converted three 3rd & 10s in overtime to make an amazing TD drive. Those things aren't going to happen against the Rams.

2) I guess you haven't heard of Sony Michel? He's a rookie, he's a very talented RB I have him ranked as one of the best in the NFL. He has been tearing it up. James White is an awesome pass catcher and Burkhead is effective at coming in for a few plays when those guys are tired and getting something good done

3) Rams don't have Cooper Kupp anymore, it's Josh Reynolds. If anything I'd say Dorsett/Patterson are slightly better than him but I'll give benefit of the doubt and say equal

4) Gronk is fine he's just beat up so they had been using him way more in a blocking role where he's still very effective. They haven't really needed him in the passing game, he was pretty good against KC and I expect them to use him as much as necessary in the passing game against a Rams team that can't cover tight ends. They don't have to worry about resting him anymore, it's the last game. He said he's feeling great too

5) Patriots offensive line is still at least as good if not better than the Rams D line sorry.

6) Yes agreed Rams O line is clearly superior to NE's D line

7) Both teams mediocre at LB, maybe a small advantage to Rams here

8) To say Rams are better at DB just shows how biased you are. No way

9) Safety again maybe a small advantage Rams

My points here just show how ridiculously biased you are trying to paint the picture of everything being in favor of the Rams. You're stupid, no way around it.
 
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What if I were to say that in the last two games, where it’s mattered most, the only area where the Rams MAY have the edge is in special teams. Watch the tape and tell me that the d line in the playoffs is better than the Patriots d line. Sorry they aren’t. O line? No comparison in the last two games, playoffs games. Running game in the last two games isn’t close. Look at the time of possession. What about DBs? It’s close but I see no edge. QB play? We don’t need to go there. Coaching? It’s the Patriots. NOBODY is talking about the O line of the Patriots and nobody is talking about the collective unit of the Patriots. Look....at....the....tape. People want to point to the end of the Chiefs game and say the Patriots defense was a sieve. Ok....but show me a team who garbage down the Chiefs for 3 quarters the way the Pats did. What does the media tell all the sheep to believe? 

1. They keep bringing up the % of tickets and $ on the Patriots. Well....again, what do the idiots expect here? Are we surprised the Patriots are getting all the money and tickets? It’s basically a 3 point line! Notice how the line didn’t budge when they played the Falcons? It stayed at 3 yet do people really think the majority wasn’t on the Pats? Helloooooo! 

2. All we keep hearing about is Suh and Donald. Ok......Nothing about Talib or Peters though? These guys rest on their names rather in their performance folks. Wake up. Brady doesn’t know Talib and his tendencies? Really? Belly doesn’t?

3. McVay this, McVay that? Ask yourself...who is the ONLY coach in football that would gain exposure over these two weeks over Belly? McVay! Yep....keep sleeping on Belly and McDaniels. Matter of fact: give me McDaniejs over McVay all day. All day! You don’t think McDaniels hears all the crap about McVay? 

Perception is a b@tch but reality rules. Both teams got gifts and both arguably couid be at home. Which one do you think cashes their gift in come Sunday? Quit focusing on the % and the $. When things don’t go as planned who adjusts? Who do you like better with two weeks prep? The Rams or the Patriots? Lastly.....are there any question marks for the Pats going into this one? Think about it. 
 
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I saw this prop today and I may be playing it:

Will the game see an attempted 2 point conversion?
Yes +105
No -135

I lean towards yes because of my stance on this game maybe ending in a 1 or 2 point victory. This game could be very even and it could take a 2 point conversion to win it all. A missed extra point could occur this causing a team to have to go for 2. I look at this prop much like I di a safety yet you are getting an option that very well could hit. Also, what about Greg the Leg and his “injured ankle”? Is this an out in case he misses a few and the team has to go for 2 at some point? I see two ego maniacs in this game and when you got ego, you got risk taking. I will keep my eye on this propall week but it’s looking good.

This same prop is now at:

Yes: -105
No: -125
 
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[/Quote] I was going to chime in to the discussion but it is pointless to discuss when there is no rationality and objectivity. Rams DBs  better than the Patriots. That is a gem for the ages.[/Quote]

Objectivity...Like the Rams missing Aqib Talib for 8 games and still ranking 8 spots higher in pass defense than the Patriots?  

Oh and they average 25 fewer passing yards per game allowed in games that Talib plays.  

 
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Objectivity...Like the Rams missing Aqib Talib for 8 games and still ranking 8 spots higher in pass defense than the Patriots?  

Oh and they average 25 fewer passing yards per game allowed in games that Talib plays.  


You're going by regular season. That's a huge problem, no wonder you're misled. The regular season Patriots weren't that good. The playoff Patriots are great.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by NinjaNight:

Quote Originally Posted by Fballguy:

QB:  You forget that the GOAT lost the game against the Chiefs with his picks I guess?  Brady owes Dee Ford a few beers.  And the Chiefs have the worst defense in the league. RB:  Slight edge to Rams?  Wow.  Who is the Pats All-Pro RB again? Offensive weapons in general...Rams have a huge edge.  The Rams scored 11 regular season TDs from the WR3 position.  Who is WR3 for the Pats? TE:  Before the AFC Championship Game, Gronk had 5 catches in his last 3 games.  Enjoy. OL: Rams DL:  Rams LB:  Rams DB: Rams ST:  Rams If you want to be on the wrong side along with 80%+ of the public, have at it.  ;)
This is what happens when you're too biased for a certain team. I'm completely unbiased and just trying to figure out who wins this game for profit.1) I was actually betting 5 units on KC and I came away from that game very impressed by Brady's performance. The silly interception in the end zone was a trash play call and begging for something like that to happen. Then Edelman tipped the ball with his fingers creating an easy interception for the defenders. Brady actually had a nice game and converted three 3rd & 10s in overtime to make an amazing TD drive. Those things aren't going to happen against the Rams.2) I guess you haven't heard of Sony Michel? He's a rookie, he's a very talented RB I have him ranked as one of the best in the NFL. He has been tearing it up. James White is an awesome pass catcher and Burkhead is effective at coming in for a few plays when those guys are tired and getting something good done3) Rams don't have Cooper Kupp anymore, it's Josh Reynolds. If anything I'd say Dorsett/Patterson are slightly better than him but I'll give benefit of the doubt and say equal4) Gronk is fine he's just beat up so they had been using him way more in a blocking role where he's still very effective. They haven't really needed him in the passing game, he was pretty good against KC and I expect them to use him as much as necessary in the passing game against a Rams team that can't cover tight ends. They don't have to worry about resting him anymore, it's the last game. He said he's feeling great too5) Patriots offensive line is still at least as good if not better than the Rams D line sorry.6) Yes agreed Rams O line is clearly superior to NE's D line7) Both teams mediocre at LB, maybe a small advantage to Rams here8) To say Rams are better at DB just shows how biased you are. No way9) Safety again maybe a small advantage Rams

First of all...Safeties are DBs so they get factored in when you make a statement comparing the DBs of the Rams and Patriots.  The Pats have Gilmore who is an All Pro.  The Rams have players at every secondary position including Nickel (no punt intended).

Josh Reynolds has more TDs than every receiver on the Patriots, except Edelman...and he's only one behind Edelman.

That you reference Madden ratings says it all...But you're entitled to your opinions.

 
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Posted: #83

Quote Originally Posted by NinjaNight:

According to the Madden ratings I'm being a little generous by saying the Rams have a small advantage at linebacker. It agrees the safeties are a little better for Rams, hardly at all though.

O...M...G...

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Achilles1629:

What if I were to say that in the last two games, where it’s mattered most, the only area where the Rams MAY have the edge is in special teams. Watch the tape and tell me that the d line in the playoffs is better than the Patriots d line. Sorry they aren’t. O line? No comparison in the last two games, playoffs games. Running game in the last two games isn’t close. Look at the time of possession. What about DBs? It’s close but I see no edge. QB play? We don’t need to go there. Coaching? It’s the Patriots. NOBODY is talking about the O line of the Patriots and nobody is talking about the collective unit of the Patriots. Look....at....the....tape. People want to point to the end of the Chiefs game and say the Patriots defense was a sieve. Ok....but show me a team who garbage down the Chiefs for 3 quarters the way the Pats did. What does the media tell all the sheep to believe? 1. They keep bringing up the % of tickets and $ on the Patriots. Well....again, what do the idiots expect here? Are we surprised the Patriots are getting all the money and tickets? It’s basically a 3 point line! Notice how the line didn’t budge when they played the Falcons? It stayed at 3 yet do people really think the majority wasn’t on the Pats? Helloooooo! 2. All we keep hearing about is Suh and Donald. Ok......Nothing about Talib or Peters though? These guys rest on their names rather in their performance folks. Wake up. Brady doesn’t know Talib and his tendencies? Really? Belly doesn’t?3. McVay this, McVay that? Ask yourself...who is the ONLY coach in football that would gain exposure over these two weeks over Belly? McVay! Yep....keep sleeping on Belly and McDaniels. Matter of fact: give me McDaniejs over McVay all day. All day! You don’t think McDaniels hears all the crap about McVay? Perception is a b@tch but reality rules. Both teams got gifts and both arguably couid be at home. Which one do you think cashes their gift in come Sunday? Quit focusing on the % and the $. When things don’t go as planned who adjusts? Who do you like better with two weeks prep? The Rams or the Patriots? Lastly.....are there any question marks for the Pats going into this one? Think about it.

Wow...How did Doug Pederson do it?

Two games is not a credible sample size.  The Rams run defense is allowing 49 yards rushing and 2.3 yards per carry in their last two games.  Facing damns good RBs.  No sense in the Patriots trying to run, right?

 
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Posted: #85

Quote Originally Posted by NinjaNight:

Quote Originally Posted by Fballguy:

Objectivity...Like the Rams missing Aqib Talib for 8 games and still ranking 8 spots higher in pass defense than the Patriots?   Oh and they average 25 fewer passing yards per game allowed in games that Talib plays.  
You're going by regular season. That's a huge problem, no wonder you're misled. The regular season Patriots weren't that good. The playoff Patriots are great.

Bad news dude...The Madden simulation has the Rams winning!   Not too late to get on the bandwagon.

 
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Bad news dude...The Madden simulation has the Rams winning!   Not too late to get on the bandwagon.


Their player ratings are actually pretty accurate, it's incredibly hard to have accurate simulations, not so hard to have good player ratings.
 
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Are you really TRYING to compare Reynolds to Edelman? Am I seeing this correctly? The second best receiver ever in postseason history in catches and Reynolds enters the conversation? Some people struggle.....wow!

Next: you wanna give Peters credit? For what? He’s a hot head who is awful. He’s been exposed multiple times this year. Over under 1.5 penalties in him Sunday? I will take the over. Thank you. As for Talib, how many games has he played this year? Hmmmmm. Didn’t he play for the Patriots? I wonder if Belly knows his weaknesses? Rhetorical question. In case the uneducated haven’t watched the Patriots over the year, they play as a unit and understand their role. Sooooooo many focusing on the sexy names of Suh, Donald, Peters and Talib yet what about Flower me and Hightower and Ching and McCourty? Throw in Gilmore an all pro. These guys have been there and they play a system. Along with that system, they have the best defensive kind that’s every graced the sport. This isn’t being one sided either. It’s there....yet the big names rule I guess. It’s unfortunate this is hard for people to understand......
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Fballguy:

You're going by regular season. That's a huge problem, no wonder you're misled. The regular season Patriots weren't that good. The playoff Patriots are great.

Bad news dude...The Madden simulation has the Rams winning!   Not too late to get on the bandwagon.


Hi Earth....have we met? Go start your own thread. Your hidden agenda is weak and it’s become stale. Thanks.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Achilles1629:

Are you really TRYING to compare Reynolds to Edelman? Am I seeing this correctly? The second best receiver ever in postseason history in catches and Reynolds enters the conversation? Some people struggle.....wow!Next: you wanna give Peters credit? For what? He’s a hot head who is awful. He’s been exposed multiple times this year. Over under 1.5 penalties in him Sunday? I will take the over. Thank you. As for Talib, how many games has he played this year? Hmmmmm. Didn’t he play for the Patriots? I wonder if Belly knows his weaknesses? Rhetorical question. In case the uneducated haven’t watched the Patriots over the year, they play as a unit and understand their role. Sooooooo many focusing on the sexy names of Suh, Donald, Peters and Talib yet what about Flower me and Hightower and Ching and McCourty? Throw in Gilmore an all pro. These guys have been there and they play a system. Along with that system, they have the best defensive kind that’s every graced the sport. This isn’t being one sided either. It’s there....yet the big names rule I guess. It’s unfortunate this is hard for people to understand......

I'm not comparing Reynolds to Edelman.  I'm responding to the comment that Reynolds isn't as good as Patterson or Dorsett.  Just pointing out that Reynolds is one TD behind your stud WR.  

For the record...The Rams just shut down Michael Thomas who is light years better then Edelman.   So let's just say, I'm not worried about Edelman.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Fballguy:

Quote Originally Posted by Achilles1629:

Are you really TRYING to compare Reynolds to Edelman? Am I seeing this correctly? The second best receiver ever in postseason history in catches and Reynolds enters the conversation? Some people struggle.....wow!Next: you wanna give Peters credit? For what? He’s a hot head who is awful. He’s been exposed multiple times this year. Over under 1.5 penalties in him Sunday? I will take the over. Thank you. As for Talib, how many games has he played this year? Hmmmmm. Didn’t he play for the Patriots? I wonder if Belly knows his weaknesses? Rhetorical question. In case the uneducated haven’t watched the Patriots over the year, they play as a unit and understand their role. Sooooooo many focusing on the sexy names of Suh, Donald, Peters and Talib yet what about Flower me and Hightower and Ching and McCourty? Throw in Gilmore an all pro. These guys have been there and they play a system. Along with that system, they have the best defensive kind that’s every graced the sport. This isn’t being one sided either. It’s there....yet the big names rule I guess. It’s unfortunate this is hard for people to understand......
I'm not comparing Reynolds to Edelman.  I'm responding to the comment that Reynolds isn't as good as Patterson or Dorsett.  Just pointing out that Reynolds is one TD behind your stud WR.   For the record...The Rams just shut down Michael Thomas who is light years better then Edelman.   So let's just say, I'm not worried about Edelman.

What exactly is my hidden agenda?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Fballguy:

I'm not comparing Reynolds to Edelman.  I'm responding to the comment that Reynolds isn't as good as Patterson or Dorsett.  Just pointing out that Reynolds is one TD behind your stud WR.   For the record...The Rams just shut down Michael Thomas who is light years better then Edelman.   So let's just say, I'm not worried about Edelman.

What exactly is my hidden agenda?


You and I both know what it is. I just wish your jobs would come out and say it. You have made your presence felt. Trust me. You see only what you want to. Dime a dozen on this site. It’s a rerun. You saying you are not worried about Edelman stamps it rightbon your forehead officially. What that stamp reads I can’t say on this site. Here’s why I don’t take anything you say seriously. You refer to Madden as an angle. Really? You haven’t once spoke about what the Patriots do well and how that will neutralize a lot of what the Rams want to do. Lastly, you tell us that Edelman and Gronk are no worry. I mean really?! Listen to yourself man. You want to take a team with more question marks than the Patriots and believe the Rams are bulletproof. Again.....there’s no need for you to post on here anymore. I am all about giving credit where credit is due but you aren’t getting any. You deny the obvious and ignore the facts. I can’t help one that doesn’t want help. With that....take the cute lil avatar and create your own thread. Or don’t but I can’t keep going back and forth. It’s exhausting. You won’t get any more responses from me. I’m wasting time. Good luck with your Rams play Chief. 
 
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The Rams “shut down” Michael Thomas..... ok....

How did Tyreke Hill do against the Patriots? 

Again....people see only what they want to see. Case and point with “fballguy”.....

I could point out about 4 or 5 more of these but the smarties in here get it. 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by Achilles1629:

The Rams “shut down” Michael Thomas..... ok....How did Tyreke Hill do against the Patriots? Again....people see only what they want to see. Case and point with “fballguy”.....I could point out about 4 or 5 more of these but the smarties in here get it.

First...and hate to poke holes in your stellar analysis skills and attention to detail, but I didn't bring up Madden.  Your 18 year old disciple did.  I laughed about it.

And yeah...The Rams shut down Michael Thomas, knowing the Saints had Kamara and Ingram in the backfield.  The Chiefs have been playing with one flat tire since they lost Hunt.  Let's see how the Pats do shutting down Cooks/Woods and Gurley/Anderson at the same time.

You said you weren't going to reply again, then replied immediately.  Just thought I'd point that out as well.

 
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Quote Originally Posted by Fballguy:

First...and hate to poke holes in your stellar analysis skills and attention to detail, but I didn't bring up Madden.  Your 18 year old disciple did.  I laughed about it.

And yeah...The Rams shut down Michael Thomas, knowing the Saints had Kamara and Ingram in the backfield.  The Chiefs have been playing with one flat tire since they lost Hunt.  Let's see how the Pats do shutting down Cooks/Woods and Gurley/Anderson at the same time.

You said you weren't going to reply again, then replied immediately.  Just thought I'd point that out as well.


You made that a focus when it was only a supplement. I said all of the real analytical stuff before I even bothered to go look at what the madden ratings are. I know it sounds silly but they actually do a good job of rating players. The real point is you're trying to give advantages to the Rams everywhere when nothing major exists in those specific areas and sometimes you just completely fail to give New England credit where it's due. You're only considering the side you like and trying to say everything is in their favor when in reality it's so much closer.
 
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Achilles, why aren’t you posting? Something wrong?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by justliketoplay:

Couldn't agree with you more Achilles as the administrators and generals of this site do very very little to clean it up and keep it professional, Informative and worth being a respected member of.
And now Achilles is banned.

Anyone know why?

 
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Quote Originally Posted by FallopianTuber:

Achilles, why aren’t you posting? Something wrong?

 

He said they would not receive any reply back from him. Aside from the reply he made directly after, I guess those words are now etched in stone. Or those last words could have been some kind of ominous omen towards him getting banned.

 
 
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