To all gun owner advocates

lets keep it real

if there was no public school there would be no dead kid

Anent

I got in to a heated debate with the poster straightshooter on the legality of firearms in cities specifically. But it ended up going nowhere as he cannot debate without clamining he's up 56-3 with his backups in depicting an imaginary football game of some sort.

Anyhow, the primary point concerning gun laws is this. The purchase of a firearm should be the most difficult purchase in America. The background check should be extensive, intrusive, and exhaustive­. And once approved, you should be required to demonstrat­e your proficienc­y before taking possession­. 

Because statistics show that there are more gun homicides in areas with less strict gun laws.

this unbiased study would beg to differ

I agree on the own part but you should be proficient to carry and use.

Why should tha purchase be the most difficult?  It should actually be much simpler in my opinion.  And for the gvt to regulate said purchase is just pure bullshit.

@rooster

Please provide page and line numbers to where this journal is refuting the my statement concerning less strict gun laws. Don't simply  take an article from the harvard law review that has "gun laws" that you most likely through google and expect me to believe its refuting my points. That article from the looks of it did not examine specific state laws concerning firearms.

@steveshane

"i dont think there should be the gun show loop hole, and i cannot strongly disagree with the "proficiency" requirement.  just bc you arent a good shot, doesnt mean you should not be allowed to own."

Elaborate my friend, no one on this fourm will know what "good shot means." bc? Do you mean "because?" Try and type with a little more effort especially since this is the politics section of the forum......

@rick3117

No need to insult people who disagree with your opinion. This article is of course not a good example. But my point is this. Highly dense populations should have extremely strict laws concerning the purchasing of firearms, especially since there are many more police officers around to control these civilized areas.

In a rural setting in Montana or Wyoming, Colorado, Nebraska, etc.... Go buy as many firearms as you'd like. Knock yourself out, go kill as manay bears, deers, geese, etc.... as you possibly can. But once you cross state lines and step on soil in places like California, NY, Illinois, NJ, CT, Delaware, MD, PA, Michigan, I believe Florida should ammend their laws. But that;s an entirely different argument. You must honor the laws of those states and if that means not being able to carry or even bring a hand gun across state lines then so be it. Because NYC certainly does not condone or honor out of state gun licences

In cities where there are hundreds and probably many more people per square block guns should not be in the hands of ordinary citizens not invovlved with the law, military and so on.

@heatholder

You have to elaborate more. Why is it bullshit?

the entire article refutes your assertion on a global scale

i tried to simply supply an unbiased study

please link me some evidence of your statement

if you need some more reading refuting your statement, you can read up on the Lott and Kleck studies, they are based on actual numbers also, not opinion like the brady billers

im sure you will have to google it

i happen to think both arguments are flawed

but i also believe more regulations and laws are not the answer