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Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:
here's my only problem with 1).
This is how limit games are played (especially low limit games like 2/4 3/6 but this play can happen at any limit).
If you limp with 3 5 suited hoping to catch a flop, you'll flop a straight less than 1% (say 100-1) of the time like OP did here. Odds on flopping 2 pair is about 1.3% (73-1) and odds of flopping 2 of 1 of the upaired cards for trips is about 2% (49-1).
Now I would not want to flop a flush with those two cards for obvious reasons. People will be chasing one card higher flushes and could also have a higher flush on the flop already. You'll get felted in the process if you don't have the discipline to lay it down. Oh there's also the possibility of the other person flopping the higher straight as you have the sucker's straight with 3 5.
With those odds, at a nine man table, it appears that trying to flop a monster is not a profitable venture if you do it on a regular basis (which could happen at a very weak inexperienced 1-2 table where guys only want to see cheap flops and you put $2 in every time) you can easily bleed your stack this way... and you have the worst two cards of anyone limping most of the time.
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All good points... I'll try to remember to filter some stats.
Without any statistics, I will say, that with 2+ limpers I narrow my folding range considerably.
Assume they're limping w/: med/small pairs, smaller suited aces, off suit broadways, some suited broadways... 53s has around 30% equity... getting 3.5/1 we certainly shouldn't fold.
But, if we raise, we're bluffing. And, against more than one opponent, it's more likely that we're going to see a flop and miss (more times than not, which you pointed out). So, we're going to have to bluff on multiple streets. That's going to require some specific reads... So, it shouldn't be our standard line.
That leaves us with calling.
Really, our discussion is pointing out why 53s is such a shitty hand, lol.
Also wanted to mention, I started out as a limit player. I slip back into that type of thinking sometimes... good catch.
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That is the most frustrating thing about poker. You can play a hand perfectly, as you did, yet still lose your ass. I think the game is just designed, online or live, to keep you from consistently winning. 
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