I agree and understand. I think the problem with trying to grasp poker skill is that there isnt another game/sport to really compare it to. No teams. Cant choose your weapon (no golf clubs, balls,pucks etc), you go into every hand not knowing what 2 cards you are going to look at. You dont know what "the score" is (wether your hand is the best), you have to deduce what the opponent has through various factors.
I am unsure if there is a ceiling to how good you can get, but the odds/luck part will cripple the best players in the world a good percentage of the time. Winning a poker hand doesnt mean you are better than the other guy. Rare game where a foolish move doesnt mean you will lose.
Kenny Rogers actually put it best in 1978 :
"Now Ev'ry gambler knows that the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away and knowing what to keep.
'Cause ev'ry hand's a winner and ev'ry hand's a loser,
And the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep."
Van
I agree and understand. I think the problem with trying to grasp poker skill is that there isnt another game/sport to really compare it to. No teams. Cant choose your weapon (no golf clubs, balls,pucks etc), you go into every hand not knowing what 2 cards you are going to look at. You dont know what "the score" is (wether your hand is the best), you have to deduce what the opponent has through various factors.
I am unsure if there is a ceiling to how good you can get, but the odds/luck part will cripple the best players in the world a good percentage of the time. Winning a poker hand doesnt mean you are better than the other guy. Rare game where a foolish move doesnt mean you will lose.
Kenny Rogers actually put it best in 1978 :
"Now Ev'ry gambler knows that the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away and knowing what to keep.
'Cause ev'ry hand's a winner and ev'ry hand's a loser,
And the best that you can hope for is to die in your sleep."
Van
But your only evidence is YOUR opinion.......I guess you still believe full tilt was on the level.....
The lowlifes in the poker world , I'm sorry , the poker "pros" would NEVER be involved in any chicanery.
I've got a nice bridge for sale
But your only evidence is YOUR opinion.......I guess you still believe full tilt was on the level.....
The lowlifes in the poker world , I'm sorry , the poker "pros" would NEVER be involved in any chicanery.
I've got a nice bridge for sale
So what you're saying is that its harder to play poker because you dont get to choose your "weapon". In baseball you get to pick your bat and you know exactly where the ball is coming from.....now lets see how good batters would be if the randomly got handed a bat of any length and/or weight and the there are 3 pitchers, one of which will be throwing the ball.....Baseball is a "god given" talent.....Poker is 1/2 & 1/2, the math and situations can be learned, but instinct is innate...
The "skill" in poker isnt the cards you get to play, its how you play them.
Come on people.
So what you're saying is that its harder to play poker because you dont get to choose your "weapon". In baseball you get to pick your bat and you know exactly where the ball is coming from.....now lets see how good batters would be if the randomly got handed a bat of any length and/or weight and the there are 3 pitchers, one of which will be throwing the ball.....Baseball is a "god given" talent.....Poker is 1/2 & 1/2, the math and situations can be learned, but instinct is innate...
The "skill" in poker isnt the cards you get to play, its how you play them.
Come on people.
I've read every word in this thread - and others....
And still maintain that poker is a "threshold" skill, and that the vig eventually chews everyone up unless there are enough "guppies" in the water.
2000-2006 = tons of guppies
2006-2013 = not enough guppies
Stay tuned...
I've read every word in this thread - and others....
And still maintain that poker is a "threshold" skill, and that the vig eventually chews everyone up unless there are enough "guppies" in the water.
2000-2006 = tons of guppies
2006-2013 = not enough guppies
Stay tuned...
So what you're saying is that its harder to play poker because you dont get to choose your "weapon". In baseball you get to pick your bat and you know exactly where the ball is coming from.....now lets see how good batters would be if the randomly got handed a bat of any length and/or weight and the there are 3 pitchers, one of which will be throwing the ball.....Baseball is a "god given" talent.....Poker is 1/2 & 1/2, the math and situations can be learned, but instinct is innate...
The "skill" in poker isnt the cards you get to play, its how you play them.
Come on people.
EVERY other sport , for lack of a better term, the competitor controls the outcome direcvtly ( bat ,pitch ,pass ,run etc)
Poker would be like swinging a bat blindfolded....
So what you're saying is that its harder to play poker because you dont get to choose your "weapon". In baseball you get to pick your bat and you know exactly where the ball is coming from.....now lets see how good batters would be if the randomly got handed a bat of any length and/or weight and the there are 3 pitchers, one of which will be throwing the ball.....Baseball is a "god given" talent.....Poker is 1/2 & 1/2, the math and situations can be learned, but instinct is innate...
The "skill" in poker isnt the cards you get to play, its how you play them.
Come on people.
EVERY other sport , for lack of a better term, the competitor controls the outcome direcvtly ( bat ,pitch ,pass ,run etc)
Poker would be like swinging a bat blindfolded....
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