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mickyg

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Posted: Jul. 29, 2008 - 3:16 PM ET #76

Since you asked nicely, I will give my .02 worth.

I figure the button may have assumed that the Captain's all in push was an attempt to buy the pot.

Once the move succeeded in pushing out the two limpers, he likely concluded he may have been up against a marginal hand creating a race possibility. He may even have believed his 44 was good and vs a single player, why not take the chance? Not sure why as blinds were still relatively low(25+bb left) and why risk a push??

I saw Sklansky make a similar all in push call with 66 or 44(which goes against the advice he gives in one of his books). I believe the hand was a few weeks ago on a re-run of WPT. The fellas were all surprised that he called the all in with what was at best a race situation. I believe he "felt" he was up against a broadway AQ or AJ

Did I say that's how I would have played it...no.

I likely raise to 6xBB (1800 total) in chips and then seen where I was after the flop(assuming 44 only called and didnt push...If he did, I could still get away preflop if I felt he was fulla crap).

Still leaves me with the opportunity to get out if I don't pair up or draw some clubs giving me more outs, especially if 44 pushes after I either bet/check the flop depending on the outcome.

Still leaves me with 8k in chips and still very much in play.

But clown...this is nothing more than speculative. There is much information you cannot be privy to in an internet game that is available in person...but as you have been so clear in bitching about, tells are over-rated as a means of understanding your opposition..so I'll just leave it at the above.

I await your lambasting of my opinion as I am sure it's coming...

clowninmyside

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Posted: Jul. 29, 2008 - 4:29 PM ET #77

Quote Originally Posted by mickyg:

Since you asked nicely, I will give my .02 worth.

I figure the button may have assumed that the Captain's all in push was an attempt to buy the pot.

Did I say that's how I would have played it...no.

I likely raise to 6xBB (1800 total) in chips and then seen where I was after the flop(assuming 44 only called and didnt push...If he did, I could still get away preflop if I felt he was fulla crap).

Still leaves me with the opportunity to get out if I don't pair up or draw some clubs giving me more outs, especially if 44 pushes after I either bet/check the flop depending on the outcome.

Still leaves me with 8k in chips and still very much in play.

I await your lambasting of my opinion as I am sure it's coming...

nope we pretty much agree on this hand except theres no way in hell the 44 should ever call, hes up against a bigger pair in enough situations there that his slight advantage vs ak aq is rendered useless.

clowninmyside

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Posted: Jul. 29, 2008 - 4:32 PM ET #78

thing is even if the captain has the most marginal of marginal hands he is still at least racing with the 44, so even if 44 thinks he is weak there is no way he should call.

mickyg

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Posted: Jul. 29, 2008 - 5:07 PM ET #79

Quote Originally Posted by clowninmyside:

No shit..we agree on something? And remember, you asked me how I woulda played the AQc, not whether or not button shoulda folded his 44. Of course he shoulda folded...but in cards, you often won't be facing the most logical of decision making.

shrewdie

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Posted: Jul. 30, 2008 - 6:14 AM ET #80

Never go broke with a queen in your hand

A queen

Singular

Solitary

One queen.

Dont think this means qq do u?

clowninmyside

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Posted: Jul. 30, 2008 - 8:24 AM ET #81

Quote Originally Posted by shrewdie:

Never go broke with a queen in your hand

A queen

Singular

Solitary

One queen.

Dont think this means qq do u?

so you got 10 15 bbs left and the button raises you get aq big blind and you fold? you guys take these books too literally, you need to use your head a little more.

stormkingsports

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Posted: Jul. 31, 2008 - 8:03 PM ET #82

Quote Originally Posted by ChanceP:

If I were in your spot I woulda done one of two things.

First, with the blinds at 300 and already a few in the pot I woulda raised it to like $1,300, enough to push out some weak hands but not enough to scare everyone away if I hit the flop. If I miss the flop, depending on the type of player im in the hand with (your reads on the guy(s) still in the hand) I either just check and fold, or I c-bet the flop for around 2.3 and hope to take it down there. And if I hit the flop good im actually gonna bet probably around th pot size and be willing to go all the way if Im played back at.

I completely agree, and because you were in early position, you could've blindly bet 1,300 chips on the flop to steal if the you missed the flop - putting the pressure on the caller.

The quote above makes a good point about your post flop play. Also, the goal should always be to win the tournament, and winning small pots may get you in the money, but you will not take first. And as you know, there are huge $ disparities between first and making the money.

clowninmyside

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Posted: Aug. 1, 2008 - 9:52 AM ET #83

Quote Originally Posted by stormkingsports:

I completely agree, and because you were in early position, you could've blindly bet 1,300 chips on the flop to steal if the you missed the flop - putting the pressure on the caller.

this is a very good point i think way too many guys are more interested in hanging on to try and money instead of trying to the win the tournament. if the first place that gets money is a lot of money to you, then you are probably in a tournament that the buyin was too high for you, the exception of course is if you are in via satellite.

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