I decided to play in an event this weekend. I have about 3500 in chips with blinds at 50/100. There is one limper before me and I have QJ in late position. I raise it to 300 and both blinds fold and the limper calls. Flop comes QQ4 with two diamonds. With 750 in the pot the limper who is first to act moves all in and has me covered. I insta call and of course the fucking diamond comes and I am one of the first ones out. This kind of shit nevers happens in cash games with players like this.
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I decided to play in an event this weekend. I have about 3500 in chips with blinds at 50/100. There is one limper before me and I have QJ in late position. I raise it to 300 and both blinds fold and the limper calls. Flop comes QQ4 with two diamonds. With 750 in the pot the limper who is first to act moves all in and has me covered. I insta call and of course the fucking diamond comes and I am one of the first ones out. This kind of shit nevers happens in cash games with players like this.
That was just unlucky. The guy you were playing is obviously a donkey as going all in for over 3500 in a pot of 750 is definately a draw and most solid players don't really do that. Keep playing, in the long run you will be okay.
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That was just unlucky. The guy you were playing is obviously a donkey as going all in for over 3500 in a pot of 750 is definately a draw and most solid players don't really do that. Keep playing, in the long run you will be okay.
not saying the outcome would be any different, but why raise with and play QJ if you aren't willing to get it all in on a QQ4 board???
You are completely missing his point. He never siad he was not willing to go all-in. He just stated his frustration withb the suckout. He made a good raise to get the action heads up, and to possibly steal the flop if he completely missed it.
Yes, Helmut, it is very frustrating. Will that poor player go broke before long? YES. But to make any money in tourneys, it takes too much luck.
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Quote Originally Posted by mogo:
not saying the outcome would be any different, but why raise with and play QJ if you aren't willing to get it all in on a QQ4 board???
You are completely missing his point. He never siad he was not willing to go all-in. He just stated his frustration withb the suckout. He made a good raise to get the action heads up, and to possibly steal the flop if he completely missed it.
Yes, Helmut, it is very frustrating. Will that poor player go broke before long? YES. But to make any money in tourneys, it takes too much luck.
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and after all that I wrote before in this thread I'm still thinking about making plans to go to vegas for the WSOP and play a $1,500 event and some main event sat's...
cant resist....but I still say the $ in is the Cash Games
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and after all that I wrote before in this thread I'm still thinking about making plans to go to vegas for the WSOP and play a $1,500 event and some main event sat's...
cant resist....but I still say the $ in is the Cash Games
and after all that I wrote before in this thread I'm still thinking about making plans to go to vegas for the WSOP and play a $1,500 event and some main event sat's...
cant resist....but I still say the $ in is the Cash Games
usually have your biggest pay days in big tournaments such as those. just have to weed your way through all the donks and dodge some bullets to get far in those WSOP tournies to get to the final table and get a really good pay day. Might do a few of those myself. gl
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Quote Originally Posted by Weathered:
and after all that I wrote before in this thread I'm still thinking about making plans to go to vegas for the WSOP and play a $1,500 event and some main event sat's...
cant resist....but I still say the $ in is the Cash Games
usually have your biggest pay days in big tournaments such as those. just have to weed your way through all the donks and dodge some bullets to get far in those WSOP tournies to get to the final table and get a really good pay day. Might do a few of those myself. gl
usually have your biggest pay days in big tournaments such as those. just have to weed your way through all the donks and dodge some bullets to get far in those WSOP tournies to get to the final table and get a really good pay day. Might do a few of those myself. gl
Well I grind all week on Stars playing cash games....but I also play almost every Sunday Million.
And let me tell you the Stars Sunday Million is a carbon copy of the WSOP main event.
About 90% no clue donkeys, 7% Solid players and 3% pros.
I will also say that right before I posted for the first time in this thread I had just been knocked out of a WSOP satellite on a brutal beat so I was steaming and pissed at tournaments.
It is true that the huge paydays come from the Tournaments but it's also true that you see more Tournament players broke.
I will never stop playing in Tournaments because they are so much fun....WAY more fun that playing cash games.
Right now i'm about 95% sure I will be playing in at least one WSOP event this year....and I will probably play all the 2nd chance tourneys at night when I'm there.
Hopfully I can get my seat on Stars for the Main Event, if not then I will play some sats in Vegas and see what happens.
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Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan8890:
usually have your biggest pay days in big tournaments such as those. just have to weed your way through all the donks and dodge some bullets to get far in those WSOP tournies to get to the final table and get a really good pay day. Might do a few of those myself. gl
Well I grind all week on Stars playing cash games....but I also play almost every Sunday Million.
And let me tell you the Stars Sunday Million is a carbon copy of the WSOP main event.
About 90% no clue donkeys, 7% Solid players and 3% pros.
I will also say that right before I posted for the first time in this thread I had just been knocked out of a WSOP satellite on a brutal beat so I was steaming and pissed at tournaments.
It is true that the huge paydays come from the Tournaments but it's also true that you see more Tournament players broke.
I will never stop playing in Tournaments because they are so much fun....WAY more fun that playing cash games.
Right now i'm about 95% sure I will be playing in at least one WSOP event this year....and I will probably play all the 2nd chance tourneys at night when I'm there.
Hopfully I can get my seat on Stars for the Main Event, if not then I will play some sats in Vegas and see what happens.
Gotta disagree with you WEATHERED on saying that tournament players go broke. If you are a solid cash game plalyer, you can play cash games to pay for your tournaments. Grind the cash games and keep playing tournaments until you hit the big one. I think if your a good enough player, you will eventually get far in a big tournament which is usually goot for a big payout. All the while playing cash games with donks that will pay you off and in turn you are using their money to buy into the tournaments with. Just my opinion.
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Gotta disagree with you WEATHERED on saying that tournament players go broke. If you are a solid cash game plalyer, you can play cash games to pay for your tournaments. Grind the cash games and keep playing tournaments until you hit the big one. I think if your a good enough player, you will eventually get far in a big tournament which is usually goot for a big payout. All the while playing cash games with donks that will pay you off and in turn you are using their money to buy into the tournaments with. Just my opinion.
SportsFan - You misunderstood what I was trying to say.
I was talking about TOURNAMENT ONLY players
Fact is many Top/Pro Tournament players have losing years
Fact is very few Top/Pro Cash Game players have losing years
Of course if you can play the cash games to pay for your tournament entrys you wont go broke....but alot of people ONLY play Tournaments and nothing else.
I can list you a few "World Champions" who are broke right now and depend on backers for their entrys as we speak. Because they only play tournaments and when you start to run bad for a year or so your broke.
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SportsFan - You misunderstood what I was trying to say.
I was talking about TOURNAMENT ONLY players
Fact is many Top/Pro Tournament players have losing years
Fact is very few Top/Pro Cash Game players have losing years
Of course if you can play the cash games to pay for your tournament entrys you wont go broke....but alot of people ONLY play Tournaments and nothing else.
I can list you a few "World Champions" who are broke right now and depend on backers for their entrys as we speak. Because they only play tournaments and when you start to run bad for a year or so your broke.
Ok thats understandable. I figured that there wouldn't be any ONLY tournament players though. I know there are ONLY cash game players that don't like the long haul of tournies but never really knew a large amount of people that liked just tournaments.
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Ok thats understandable. I figured that there wouldn't be any ONLY tournament players though. I know there are ONLY cash game players that don't like the long haul of tournies but never really knew a large amount of people that liked just tournaments.
It takes a much different skill set to play Tournaments at the highest level than it does to play Cash Games at the highest level.
Most people cant do both very well (most people are lucky if they can do one very well).
There are tons of Tournament Pro's who are flat out fish in the higher stakes cash games (in fact most of them wont even touch a high stakes cash game)
Phil Hellmuth
Scotty Nguyen
Men Nguyen
Phil Laak
Erik Seidel
Antonio Esfandiari
many many many more....
most of the top name pros are flat out donators in the cash games (and exept for Laak and sometimes Hellmuth they wont even play cash games)
in fact only a few of the pros you see on TV can play cash games worth a crap
Chau Giang
Ted Forrest
Jennifer Harmon
and of course Chip Reese was one of the best cash game players in the world when he was alive
I sometimes feel like I am a better tournament player and I could switch to playing only tournaments if I was willing to put in the time to work on my Tournament game.
I honestly dont enjoy the grind of playing cash games so it's something I have been thinking about.
I might start out by playing alot more $20 buy-in events on Stars and just start working on my Tournament game a little. Also maybe taking the Sunday Million a little more serisously (I play almost every week but I'm normally playing at least 2 cash game tables at the same time lol)
Anyway my friend tells me this....if you really want to be able to beat Tournaments in the long run....you need to focus 100% on Tournament Poker and Tournament Theory.
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It takes a much different skill set to play Tournaments at the highest level than it does to play Cash Games at the highest level.
Most people cant do both very well (most people are lucky if they can do one very well).
There are tons of Tournament Pro's who are flat out fish in the higher stakes cash games (in fact most of them wont even touch a high stakes cash game)
Phil Hellmuth
Scotty Nguyen
Men Nguyen
Phil Laak
Erik Seidel
Antonio Esfandiari
many many many more....
most of the top name pros are flat out donators in the cash games (and exept for Laak and sometimes Hellmuth they wont even play cash games)
in fact only a few of the pros you see on TV can play cash games worth a crap
Chau Giang
Ted Forrest
Jennifer Harmon
and of course Chip Reese was one of the best cash game players in the world when he was alive
I sometimes feel like I am a better tournament player and I could switch to playing only tournaments if I was willing to put in the time to work on my Tournament game.
I honestly dont enjoy the grind of playing cash games so it's something I have been thinking about.
I might start out by playing alot more $20 buy-in events on Stars and just start working on my Tournament game a little. Also maybe taking the Sunday Million a little more serisously (I play almost every week but I'm normally playing at least 2 cash game tables at the same time lol)
Anyway my friend tells me this....if you really want to be able to beat Tournaments in the long run....you need to focus 100% on Tournament Poker and Tournament Theory.
I decided to play in an event this weekend. I have about 3500 in chips with blinds at 50/100. There is one limper before me and I have QJ in late position. I raise it to 300 and both blinds fold and the limper calls. Flop comes QQ4 with two diamonds. With 750 in the pot the limper who is first to act moves all in and has me covered. I insta call and of course the fucking diamond comes and I am one of the first ones out. This kind of shit nevers happens in cash games with players like this.
happens to me all the time in cash games
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Quote Originally Posted by Helmut:
I decided to play in an event this weekend. I have about 3500 in chips with blinds at 50/100. There is one limper before me and I have QJ in late position. I raise it to 300 and both blinds fold and the limper calls. Flop comes QQ4 with two diamonds. With 750 in the pot the limper who is first to act moves all in and has me covered. I insta call and of course the fucking diamond comes and I am one of the first ones out. This kind of shit nevers happens in cash games with players like this.
Ok thats understandable. I figured that there wouldn't be any ONLY tournament players though. I know there are ONLY cash game players that don't like the long haul of tournies but never really knew a large amount of people that liked just tournaments.
funny you mentioned that about cash game players....a buddy of mine only plays cash games and he says he wont even play the Sunday Million because it's to much of as grind....
of course he tells me this after a 12 hour session of multi-tabling $2 - $4 No Limit on Stars
And as of right now I am playing tournaments only.....going to try it out for a couple of months and see if I can turn a profit.....
I have been playing alot of 180 Player S-n-G's on Stars and so far so good....
Also this week I am going to really focus during the Sunday Million...
Sometime in the next few weeks I am going to check out the Tournaments at Mountaineer's brand new Poker room
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Quote Originally Posted by SportsFan8890:
Ok thats understandable. I figured that there wouldn't be any ONLY tournament players though. I know there are ONLY cash game players that don't like the long haul of tournies but never really knew a large amount of people that liked just tournaments.
funny you mentioned that about cash game players....a buddy of mine only plays cash games and he says he wont even play the Sunday Million because it's to much of as grind....
of course he tells me this after a 12 hour session of multi-tabling $2 - $4 No Limit on Stars
And as of right now I am playing tournaments only.....going to try it out for a couple of months and see if I can turn a profit.....
I have been playing alot of 180 Player S-n-G's on Stars and so far so good....
Also this week I am going to really focus during the Sunday Million...
Sometime in the next few weeks I am going to check out the Tournaments at Mountaineer's brand new Poker room
funny you mentioned that about cash game players....a buddy of mine only plays cash games and he says he wont even play the Sunday Million because it's to much of as grind....
of course he tells me this after a 12 hour session of multi-tabling $2 - $4 No Limit on Stars
And as of right now I am playing tournaments only.....going to try it out for a couple of months and see if I can turn a profit.....
I have been playing alot of 180 Player S-n-G's on Stars and so far so good....
Also this week I am going to really focus during the Sunday Million...
Sometime in the next few weeks I am going to check out the Tournaments at Mountaineer's brand new Poker room
well gl with the tourny grind. I tend to do whatever is really available at the time. I like to play bigger tournies online because of the amount of people that play in it and basically the "odds" your getting of getting deep into the tourny and getting a nice payout. For instance live tournies even in say Atlantic City the max amount of people you might get for a Friday 300 dollar tourny is maybe 400-600 people. For an online tourny your bound to get over 1000 people which doubles the prize pool of that live tourny. So online I like to play larger tournies and not really the SnGs but in live play cash games seem to be much better.
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Quote Originally Posted by Weathered:
funny you mentioned that about cash game players....a buddy of mine only plays cash games and he says he wont even play the Sunday Million because it's to much of as grind....
of course he tells me this after a 12 hour session of multi-tabling $2 - $4 No Limit on Stars
And as of right now I am playing tournaments only.....going to try it out for a couple of months and see if I can turn a profit.....
I have been playing alot of 180 Player S-n-G's on Stars and so far so good....
Also this week I am going to really focus during the Sunday Million...
Sometime in the next few weeks I am going to check out the Tournaments at Mountaineer's brand new Poker room
well gl with the tourny grind. I tend to do whatever is really available at the time. I like to play bigger tournies online because of the amount of people that play in it and basically the "odds" your getting of getting deep into the tourny and getting a nice payout. For instance live tournies even in say Atlantic City the max amount of people you might get for a Friday 300 dollar tourny is maybe 400-600 people. For an online tourny your bound to get over 1000 people which doubles the prize pool of that live tourny. So online I like to play larger tournies and not really the SnGs but in live play cash games seem to be much better.
well the tourney grind is over for me....while I ended up in the profit over the last couple of weeks, the Per Hour breakdown was really shitty
I had to put in twice the hours playing tournaments then I have to playing cash games...
also when I would get down to the final table of a tournament I found it hard to mutli-table other tournaments at the same time and still give the focus to the shorthanded play at the FT
it was fun but it's back to 4 tabling $1 - $2 No Limit online
and $2 - $5 No Limit live
screw tournaments
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well the tourney grind is over for me....while I ended up in the profit over the last couple of weeks, the Per Hour breakdown was really shitty
I had to put in twice the hours playing tournaments then I have to playing cash games...
also when I would get down to the final table of a tournament I found it hard to mutli-table other tournaments at the same time and still give the focus to the shorthanded play at the FT
it was fun but it's back to 4 tabling $1 - $2 No Limit online
lol well hope you do well. I been playing a bunch of tournies on Full Tilt and seem to get deep runs in a lot of them but the money is so top heavy that you have to get top 5 to really get paid. So just still hoping to hit one big, as there are a lot of donkeys that play on that site lol
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lol well hope you do well. I been playing a bunch of tournies on Full Tilt and seem to get deep runs in a lot of them but the money is so top heavy that you have to get top 5 to really get paid. So just still hoping to hit one big, as there are a lot of donkeys that play on that site lol
you didnt raise enough. you only raised 300 when the blinds at 50/100. the limper already called 100 on the pot he only need 200 more to call a 600+ pot. maybe if you raised 900 he will not have the pot odds to make the call and fold.
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you didnt raise enough. you only raised 300 when the blinds at 50/100. the limper already called 100 on the pot he only need 200 more to call a 600+ pot. maybe if you raised 900 he will not have the pot odds to make the call and fold.
you didnt raise enough. you only raised 300 when the blinds at 50/100. the limper already called 100 on the pot he only need 200 more to call a 600+ pot. maybe if you raised 900 he will not have the pot odds to make the call and fold.
You would seriously bet 9x BB with a hand like QJ? besides that's like 1/4 of his stack.
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Quote Originally Posted by vtec626:
you didnt raise enough. you only raised 300 when the blinds at 50/100. the limper already called 100 on the pot he only need 200 more to call a 600+ pot. maybe if you raised 900 he will not have the pot odds to make the call and fold.
You would seriously bet 9x BB with a hand like QJ? besides that's like 1/4 of his stack.
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