2024 Election could be America’s crossroad!

You mean like George Soros backed prosecutors?

Maybe Zuckerburg and his millions affecting an election.

Bloomburg bailing out felons so they could vote.

Zuckerburg, Dorsey, FBI restricting the fact that Hunters laptop was real.

Just to name a few.

House committee investigating deep state has failed to prove weaponization of government against republicans because of lack of evidences.  Witnesses lack credibility and whistleblowers aren't really whistleblowers.  In contrast, January 6 committee investigation was so successful that its findings lead to justice department prosecution of Trump.  Under Biden administration, justice department operates independently.  However there are far more evidences of weaponization under Trump administration. 

You fear that Trump will do the Left what the Left has done to Trump. And you should.

Better rally MSM to get rid of Biden,................. already started.

@UNIMAN

Henry Cuellar & Eric Adams are democrats with possible baggage are you of thinking that political participation should supersede a investigation?  All this tells me this case is the scales of justice are blind and in Trumps they are delayed! I have to think there was some operational imperative to do this! How about the New Jersey Senator Melindez you failed to throw him into the group? Gold bars all! …..Everything is a conspiracy with you my man.

@ColonelKlink

 Derangement? You Trumpers don’t listen to your masters enough! Less than 3 weeks ago Trump said he wants a power called Schedule F, which would enable him to fire employees who presently have employment protection. Schedule F would be dangerous for even an honorable president to have; in Trump's hands it would be disastrous. He has already shown how he would use such power. Replacing acting attorney general Rosen with Jeffrey Clark, who agreed to help Trump overturn the Georgia election, is one of many examples. He fired Acting Attorney General Sally Yates, FBI Director James Comey, Colonel Alexander Vindman, and Cybersecurity Director Chris Krebs, and drove Director of Intelligence Dan Coats to resign, all for telling the truth when it conflicted with his lies. He couldn't fire Fauci so he sidelined him because Fauci would not go along with Trump's lies about covid. He fired the Inspector General Steve Linick at Mike Pompeo's behest because Linick was investigating Pompeo. The people he replaced these people with often had meager experience but they had the qualification that mattered: they were willing to support Trump's lies. 

@joe pockets

 My problem is right now is that people with access to wealth are having an outsized impact on government.

Quantify this for me.  What is the amount of impact they should have?  Compared to what, and why?  What are your examples?  This sounds like you are just posting vague rhetoric the Left has as talking points. 

Whether they should have that wealth is another argument entirely, but I don’t think it should be controversial to say that a billionaire shouldn’t have more influence on government than a blue-collar worker living paycheck to paycheck.

Why not?  I am not even disagreeing but would I am interested if you can articulate this?  Why should the folks that have an interest in starting businesses that employ 10s, 100, or 1000s of people not have more say about some things?  For sure they have more of an idea of how to create jobs and help the economy than the average guy that cuts people's grass.  

If everyone had the same amount of interest and concern and influence, we might all still be small-time farmers.  You have to cater to folks that are advancing and growing the country a bit -- for sure it has to be fair and legal.  But these are the guys that are going to try to get sites zoned for a business and lobby to get business-friendly laws passed, etc.  What is the average guy going to do -- nothing but the same thing he has done for the last 30 years.  Usually go to work for the highly-motivated guy's business.

Both are citizens of the same government and both should be expected to contribute their share to the common welfare of all.

This is another Leftist talking point.  Look at simply the money these people and their businesses pay in taxes compared to the average guy.  Then include the fact that a lot of folks do not pay any taxes.  Then factor in how much they provide in the way of jobs and services.  You can make a very, very good argument the average guy is scamming, in a sense, nd the rich guy is being overly penalized.  This is propaganda by the Left -- do not fall for this.

Instead, the rich are pushing policies that negatively impact everyone else, to the point that a breakdown of social order doesn’t seem unlikely.

For example?

I personally believe that Democrats are more willing to correct this problem…

Of course you do.  Because you, like all Democrats, think this is a problem; and a problem that only government can fix.

Trump is the poster boy of the rich skating there responsible to pay there fare share!

For example, exactly?

There is doubt in my mind every single person on the list of Forbes 400 and 10,000 below are screwing the country on a remarkable amount of money each and every year….

That is nonsense and a completely jaded way of looking at things.  This shows you have not studied the issue yourself and are simply repeating talking points to stir your side into a frenzy.

And I’m not speaking about deducting a extra pair of work shoes..I’m saying millions!

They are cracking down on folks all of the time and you just hear about it more nowadays because of the 24-hour newscycle.  For the ones that are doing this, there are FAR more that are NOT doing it.  There are many average people that are scamming as well and percentage-wise a larger amount of their 'fair' share.

If the far right wants to scream bloody murder over the deficit they should start with there largest campaign contributor's 

What do you even mean by this?

@Raiders22

 “Quantify this for me.  What is the amount of impact they should have?  Compared to what, and why?  What are your examples?  This sounds like you are just posting vague rhetoric the Left has as talking points. “

 Since the 1970s or so, conservatives have racked up a series of victories in rolling back government’s role in taxing and regulating the rich and powerful. As a result, the rich and powerful — who often lavish conservative politicians with donations — have run roughshod over poor and middle-class people, sucking up a horrifying proportion of the nation’s wealth in the process….If don’t see this your living in another universe!

“Why should the folks that have an interest in starting businesses that employ 10s, 100, or 1000s of people not have more say about some things?  For sure they have more of an idea of how to create jobs and help the economy than the average guy that cuts people's grass.”

First off I don’t agree with analogy on business owns! Corporations are in business making money the shareholder! As far there blue collar they are expendable and nothing more than a byproduct of making money ! I’m money can be made with less a cut in employees happens! To make things worse is the decline of unions: nothing has replaced them as a muscular lobby for government interventions on behalf of the less-well-off. Meanwhile, the biggest, most technologically progressive industries (which are usually the focus of regulatory activity) now hire mostly highly skilled workers. So subsidies to these companies don’t leak out much to ordinary workers.

“Of course you do.  Because you, like all Democrats, think this is a problem; and a problem that only government can fix.”

Have you ever looked at Democratic lead legislation ? Like The civil Rights act, The voting rights act,Medicare & Medicaid act, Social Security act, Afordable Care Act “ Obama care,…I’m sure this is just the tip of the ice berg! 

Your next 2 are “ you have your opinion and I …..and so be it

“They are cracking down on folks all of the time and you just hear about it more nowadays because of the 24-hour newscycle.  For the ones that are doing this, there are FAR more that are NOT doing it.  There are many average people that are scamming as well and percentage-wise a larger amount of their 'fair' share.”

Not near enough for me! Do you realize no one really looks at Fortune 500 companies Tax returns as they are to complicated and time consuming for the IRS ….They need 87000 more & while there at it do away with the 15% capital gain tax. Make it 25%! ….Money earned is money earned !

“If the far right wants to scream bloody murder over the deficit they should start with there largest campaign contributor's “

Get the folks who are lining there pockets with lobbyists to pay there fare share of taxes also as far as the deficit didnt President Donald Trump already slash corporate tax rates back in 2017, as part of a tax package that bled $1.7 trillion from the federal Treasury….Who did that help ?….Yep more trickle down nonsense! 

Raider 22 …Don’t you ever look down the other side of the road…Try it as it will cost you nothing but a little time.

later I’m on a 6 day cease fire ! Midnight called for.

@joe pockets

 Since the 1970s or so, conservatives have racked up a series of victories in rolling back government’s role in taxing and regulating the rich and powerful. As a result, the rich and powerful — who often lavish conservative politicians with donations — have run roughshod over poor and middle-class people, sucking up a horrifying proportion of the nation’s wealth in the process….If don’t see this your living in another universe!

This is not really quantifying it.  What 'victories'?  

What do you mean by 'the rich and powerful running roughshod over poor and middle-class people'?  What does that mean?  Are they prospering?  Sure, but so is every class since the 1970s.  If anything the rich and powerful are lifting up the poor -- even those who do not try, simply by default.

No, I do not see it.  You are treating it as a closed system or a zero sum game.

@joe pockets

 First off I don’t agree with analogy on business owns!

Huh?

Corporations are in business making money the shareholder!

Take them out of it if it makes it easier for you.  Take it down to the mom-and-pop level where most of the workers are at anyway.  There are no shareholders.  

Now what?

As far there blue collar they are expendable and nothing more than a byproduct of making money ! I’m money can be made with less a cut in employees happens!

So?  That is one way to make money but will it offset the loss in production.

Besides the worker isn not owed a job.

The worker can live the job for more money.  What does the employer do then, sue him to force him to stay?  That works both ways.  The worker is out for himself and the employer is out to make his business more profitable.

If you are worried about being let go -- make yourself more valuable to your employer.

To make things worse is the decline of unions: nothing has replaced them as a muscular lobby for government interventions on behalf of the less-well-off. Meanwhile, the biggest, most technologically progressive industries (which are usually the focus of regulatory activity) now hire mostly highly skilled workers.

Again the big companies out of it, in order to see where your argument falls flat.  At the 10-man machine shop there are no unions.

What government interventions have you seen the unions do lately that are needed?

Of course those companies need highly skilled workers.  What is your point there?  I just told you people should make themselves more valuable.

So subsidies to these companies don’t leak out much to ordinary workers.

So?  This is not the same equivalence.  Workers do not run the business, they work for the business.  

@joe pockets

 Have you ever looked at Democratic lead legislation ? Like The civil Rights act, The voting rights act,Medicare & Medicaid act, Social Security act, Afordable Care Act “ Obama care,…I’m sure this is just the tip of the ice berg! 

Yes.  What about them?

@joe pockets

 Not near enough for me! Do you realize no one really looks at Fortune 500 companies Tax returns as they are to complicated and time consuming for the IRS ….They need 87000 more & while there at it do away with the 15% capital gain tax. Make it 25%! ….Money earned is money earned !

Are you kidding?  Those are the very ones they do look at!  The overly, complicated ones are audited way more.  Some of these folks have multiple CPAs and tax guys to do their taxes.

How is it not enough for you?  You do not even know how many it is.

They do NOT need 87k more agents -- they WANT them.

What difference does the capital gains tax matter to you?  Do you really think that would bring up income?  Study up on it and see what reaction that sort of thing would cause.

Take it down to the lowest level and think about what you would do if someone did that to you in your situation -- you would make adjustments.

If 'money earned is money earned' why does the Left think a higher percentage of a rich person's money is 'more earned than other person's money earned'?

@joe pockets 

“If the far right wants to scream bloody murder over the deficit they should start with there largest campaign contributor's “

Get the folks who are lining there pockets with lobbyists to pay there fare share of taxes also as far as the deficit didnt President Donald Trump already slash corporate tax rates back in 2017, as part of a tax package that bled $1.7 trillion from the federal Treasury….Who did that help ?….Yep more trickle down nonsense!

Sorry.  This still does not add up and make sense the two issues are not that related.

@Raiders22

 I think JoePockets has invoked a self- imposed ""ceasefire "" , because he doesn't have the answers...   Lol.  

@joe pockets

 My problem is right now is that people with access to wealth are having an outsized impact on government

And don't you find it interesting JP that " your party" typically outspends conservatives groups, particularly at the state and local level.  For example,  Just a few short weeks ago, " your party" of the progressive left significantly outspent conservative groups by $42 million in Kentucky,  Ohio, Virginia,  and Pennsylvania.  

I swear,  if you actually understood what you were writing,  you may feel differently about " your party" . 

@Rush51

 if you actually understood what you were writing,  you may feel differently about " your party"

I really think this is a good point.  Not for some die-hard-no-matter-what loyalists.  But quite a few folks I know that have amended their views or even switched parties as they got older say exactly that.  They say they felt misled or at least misinformed on the issues.  It is weird that you do not seem to see the opposite as much.  Like when someone on the Right gets older and learns more they seem to be more steadfast, yet, now more informed.

Too many people think if they see a snippet on the news or a podcast or an article online -- that it is research.

People really do need to do more research on things instead of just trying to find things and ways to reinforce their loyalties.

Because if you are asked about your positions and cannot break them down decently it looks uninformed at best, or misinformed at worst.

Thank you for that Raiders..  

And people should re-read your post again.  Great points .... and  those 2 words...   "uninformed " and " misinformed "  are so important.  They fit lots of lefties to a tee IMO. 

It didn't take long for you , UNIMAN, and myself to expose the inconsistencies in JP''s arguments.   Uniman did a great job in post #26. 

There is still time JP to educate yourself,  and get more knowledgeable about the issues.  Because your arguments are  "boomeranging"  right back to "your party" 

sorry, not sure how I missed this doozy of a thread.....but....never too late right....

@joe pockets

The next step could be a mix of letting the oligarchs “ Billionaires “ steal the economy while the racists and religious wackos run the civil society into the ground and meantime the defense establishment bleeds the taxpayers white !

OK...there is so much awesomeness in this statement right here.  It's almost comical the level of irony and ridiculousness all rolled up in this one single sentence.  Add to it the fact that the OP is opining of something that he thinks could / would happen if Trump wins 2024.  

"oligarchs / billionaires steal the economy" -  Did you completely miss out on 2019 through 2021 ??  Are you unaware that this is exactly what has happened right up to November 2021 ??  

"racists and religious wackos run the civil society into the ground" -  Again, already been happening since the summer of 2020.  The racists and religious wack jobs are just different than the ones the OP is referring to....these racists and religious wackos are all on the far radical left side of the spectrum.  

 "meantime the defense establishment bleeds the taxpayers white" - Slavi Ukraini, enough said.  

@kcblitzkrieg

 JP has no idea he is shooting himself in the foot.... Lol.    "His side" is charged as guilty.  

I swear , there should be a qualification exam on individuals before ballots are issued to voters.  

Since the 1970's..............this sums it up. We lost our industrial might. Learn computer code we were told.

For retirees like myself, should we follow today's election coverage on

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Fox News Settles Dominion Defamation Case For $787.5 Million

Dominion sued Fox for $1.6 billion in March 2021
for defamation, alleging the network pushed 2020
election fraud claims involving the company’s voting
machines despite knowing they were false
for financial gain.

Fox said in a statement following the settlement,
“We acknowledge the Court’s rulings finding
certain claims [we made] about Dominion to be false”

“Fox has admitted to telling lies about Dominion
that caused enormous damage to my company,”
Dominion CEO John Poulos said.

@fubah2

 C-SPAN maybe? Or you could just pull up an election tracker on the interweb.

The news of that high profile settlement came a week after Fox News settled a separate defamation lawsuit over the 2020 election, which was brought by a Venezuelan businessman who was linked to an election fraud conspiracy theory that Fox spread on air.

After the votes are counted, if the CONVICTED FELON/rapist loses Arizona again, will turn to his infamous "Cyber Ninjas" to get in there and do their spine-timgling forensic ballot recount again to PROVE massive election fraud that he said *DID* definitely occur in AZ?....

Remember how that turned out?! 

yep      after 4 months of intense investigation and an entire team quitting on them , donnie chumps gestapo brown shirt ninjas discovered that joe biden actually won by more votes than initially recorded ! 

way too funny that was         send them in again donnie !