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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2016 - 8:36 PM ET #126

    Since Obama took office 3000 African Americans citizens were killed NY African Americans in Chicago.
    The " unrest' I believe that's the PC term to describe the riots in st.Louis Dallas Baltimore and Charlotte. Where law and order has completely broke down. We have Afghanistan dropping packages again trying to PC that injure 29 as frag come flying out of a pressure cooker at twice the speed of sound. Maybe we are in insecure about our domestic security policies governing inner city dynamics.
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    Since Obama took office 3000 African Americans citizens were killed NY African Americans in Chicago.
    The " unrest' I believe that's the PC term to describe the riots in st.Louis Dallas Baltimore and Charlotte. Where law and order has completely broke down. We have Afghanistan dropping packages again trying to PC that injure 29 as frag come flying out of a pressure cooker at twice the speed of sound. Maybe we are in insecure about our domestic security policies governing inner city dynamics.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2016 - 8:52 PM ET #127

    Thus being insecure we ask for tighter security and control Chicago has one of the toughest gun control policies in the national standards you are 3 times more likely to be gunned down than a less fin restricted region of say Pensacola Florida within 20 miles of the city is a hunting preserve...

    Political dynamics of these cities are by and large Democratic leadership for decades. Many policies programs initiatives community out reach has led to where we are today. We lost less personal in Afghanistan conflict in the entire 16 years since 9/11 than Chicago inner city in last 8 years where Afghanistan is classified as a war zone dealing with multiple organizations in tribal conflict. Chicago is described as a area of domestic security risks.
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    Thus being insecure we ask for tighter security and control Chicago has one of the toughest gun control policies in the national standards you are 3 times more likely to be gunned down than a less fin restricted region of say Pensacola Florida within 20 miles of the city is a hunting preserve...

    Political dynamics of these cities are by and large Democratic leadership for decades. Many policies programs initiatives community out reach has led to where we are today. We lost less personal in Afghanistan conflict in the entire 16 years since 9/11 than Chicago inner city in last 8 years where Afghanistan is classified as a war zone dealing with multiple organizations in tribal conflict. Chicago is described as a area of domestic security risks.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2016 - 9:53 PM ET #128

    Sources CBS .com www.American thinker.com , BBC.EU.org. in action initiatives inner city american division .
    Homeland security.gov.
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    Sources CBS .com www.American thinker.com , BBC.EU.org. in action initiatives inner city american division .
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2016 - 10:25 PM ET #129

    Putting this is context if you read a list
    Of citizens killed in gangland violence
    In Chicago and gave 5 sec of silence for those mother's to reflect on the loss of their son or daughter. The speech would last 9 hours.... Now imagine everyone of these citizens were white
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    Putting this is context if you read a list
    Of citizens killed in gangland violence
    In Chicago and gave 5 sec of silence for those mother's to reflect on the loss of their son or daughter. The speech would last 9 hours.... Now imagine everyone of these citizens were white
     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2016 - 10:31 PM ET #130

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    No. There are right and wrong arguments. And I did easily invalidate all your liberal positions.

    1. Liberals like you like to say Islam is just like other religions. I proved that it is not.
    2. Liberals like you say Christianity is just like Islam. I proved that it is not.
    3. Liberals like you say, what about terrorism in the name of Jesus Christ. I proved that it doesn't even exist.
    4. Liberals like you say Islam isn't the source of radical Islamic terrorism. I proved that it clearly is.
    5. Liberals like you say Islam is peaceful. I proved that it is not.
    6. Liberals like you say not all Muslims support terrorism. I proved all Muslims are obligated to support jihad by the way of fighting or by contributing to the spread of Islam.
    7. Liberals like you say Islam isn't a terrorist cult. I proved it is.
    8. Liberals you say Islam isn't trying to establish a worldwide caliphate. I proved Muslims are because it's in the Quran.
    9. Liberals like you say the bible is similar to that Quran. I proved the comparisons are invalid.
    10. I proved islam is a terrorist religion, and is a threat to all humanity.
    11. I proved Muhammad is a monster, and all who worship him are sick.
    12. I proved Islam stands alone.
    13. I proved the comparisons to Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism or any other religion do not apply when compared to Islam.
    14. I proved the comparisons of Muhammad and Jesus Christ don't apply.
    15. I proved every single defense of Islam by liberals is wrong.

    The old me was WRONG! My analysis was based on state establishment liberal lies. I was indoctrinated with liberal propaganda of the state. Debating you is what South Koreans must feel when they debate North Koreans loyal to Kim Jong un.

    I'm not filled with hate. I'm filled with HONOR and patriotism! Give me liberty, or give me death!"

    Self professed victories 

    You are filled with hate and anger young Skywalker.

    To quote a quality poster:

    Fighting over religion is like fighting over ice cream.
    MoneySRH

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    No. There are right and wrong arguments. And I did easily invalidate all your liberal positions.

    1. Liberals like you like to say Islam is just like other religions. I proved that it is not.
    2. Liberals like you say Christianity is just like Islam. I proved that it is not.
    3. Liberals like you say, what about terrorism in the name of Jesus Christ. I proved that it doesn't even exist.
    4. Liberals like you say Islam isn't the source of radical Islamic terrorism. I proved that it clearly is.
    5. Liberals like you say Islam is peaceful. I proved that it is not.
    6. Liberals like you say not all Muslims support terrorism. I proved all Muslims are obligated to support jihad by the way of fighting or by contributing to the spread of Islam.
    7. Liberals like you say Islam isn't a terrorist cult. I proved it is.
    8. Liberals you say Islam isn't trying to establish a worldwide caliphate. I proved Muslims are because it's in the Quran.
    9. Liberals like you say the bible is similar to that Quran. I proved the comparisons are invalid.
    10. I proved islam is a terrorist religion, and is a threat to all humanity.
    11. I proved Muhammad is a monster, and all who worship him are sick.
    12. I proved Islam stands alone.
    13. I proved the comparisons to Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism or any other religion do not apply when compared to Islam.
    14. I proved the comparisons of Muhammad and Jesus Christ don't apply.
    15. I proved every single defense of Islam by liberals is wrong.

    The old me was WRONG! My analysis was based on state establishment liberal lies. I was indoctrinated with liberal propaganda of the state. Debating you is what South Koreans must feel when they debate North Koreans loyal to Kim Jong un.

    I'm not filled with hate. I'm filled with HONOR and patriotism! Give me liberty, or give me death!"

    Self professed victories 

    You are filled with hate and anger young Skywalker.

    To quote a quality poster:

    Fighting over religion is like fighting over ice cream.
    MoneySRH

     
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    Posted: Sep. 24, 2016 - 11:15 PM ET #131

    Chicago isn't alone. Detroit Baltimore new Orleans Dallas Washington DC Tampa Miami los Angelo's Oakland and NY all have serious issues with the continued slaughter of us citizens all most everyone of these deaths started with a student in first grade attending school all these lives ended on a slab in the morgue with a close person identifying a loved ones body.
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    Chicago isn't alone. Detroit Baltimore new Orleans Dallas Washington DC Tampa Miami los Angelo's Oakland and NY all have serious issues with the continued slaughter of us citizens all most everyone of these deaths started with a student in first grade attending school all these lives ended on a slab in the morgue with a close person identifying a loved ones body.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2016 - 5:11 AM ET #132

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Self professed victories 

    You are filled with hate and anger young Skywalker.

    To quote a quality poster:

    Fighting over religion is like fighting over ice cream.
    MoneySRH

    The topic wasn’t religion. The topic was Islam, and if Islam was evil. The proof was obvious. I provided proof that all your positions were invalid - one at a time. You failed to counter any of my points individually. Instead you chose to deflect and change the topic. It isn’t my fault that you have a highly developed sense of denial.

    Self-professed victories? I presented proof straight from the Quran.
    I hate Khmers rouges, FARC, Nazi’s, Klanzmen, Muslims, murders, rapists, and child molesters etc. all groups and types of evil people. I rightfully so feel hatred and anger towards them.

    Why do liberals hate those who hate evil people?

    Hatred is only evil when it is directed at the righteous and the innocent. Hatred is what motivates moral men to fight evil. Hatred is what created democratic civilization. Hatred is the inspiration behind morality. Hate is a wonderful thing when it is used against evil.
    If hating evil people is wrong, I don’t want to be right.

    Wait a second… I’ve got two questions

    1. Are you one of those crazy people that believe sick and evil people deserve forgiveness, love and compassion?

    2. When you watch beheadings, amputations, stoning, boiling of humans, burnings and burials of live human beings - what do you feel? I hope the answer is hate and anger.

    Blind hatred is, of course, horrid and indefensible. My hatred comes from education, reason, and moral principle. Hate can be clear-eyed - and moral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Self professed victories 

    You are filled with hate and anger young Skywalker.

    To quote a quality poster:

    Fighting over religion is like fighting over ice cream.
    MoneySRH

    The topic wasn’t religion. The topic was Islam, and if Islam was evil. The proof was obvious. I provided proof that all your positions were invalid - one at a time. You failed to counter any of my points individually. Instead you chose to deflect and change the topic. It isn’t my fault that you have a highly developed sense of denial.

    Self-professed victories? I presented proof straight from the Quran.
    I hate Khmers rouges, FARC, Nazi’s, Klanzmen, Muslims, murders, rapists, and child molesters etc. all groups and types of evil people. I rightfully so feel hatred and anger towards them.

    Why do liberals hate those who hate evil people?

    Hatred is only evil when it is directed at the righteous and the innocent. Hatred is what motivates moral men to fight evil. Hatred is what created democratic civilization. Hatred is the inspiration behind morality. Hate is a wonderful thing when it is used against evil.
    If hating evil people is wrong, I don’t want to be right.

    Wait a second… I’ve got two questions

    1. Are you one of those crazy people that believe sick and evil people deserve forgiveness, love and compassion?

    2. When you watch beheadings, amputations, stoning, boiling of humans, burnings and burials of live human beings - what do you feel? I hope the answer is hate and anger.

    Blind hatred is, of course, horrid and indefensible. My hatred comes from education, reason, and moral principle. Hate can be clear-eyed - and moral.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2016 - 3:47 PM ET #133

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    The topic wasn’t religion. The topic was Islam, and if Islam was evil. The proof was obvious. I provided proof that all your positions were invalid - one at a time. You failed to counter any of my points individually. Instead you chose to deflect and change the topic. It isn’t my fault that you have a highly developed sense of denial.

    Self-professed victories? I presented proof straight from the Quran.
    I hate Khmers rouges, FARC, Nazi’s, Klanzmen, Muslims, murders, rapists, and child molesters etc. all groups and types of evil people. I rightfully so feel hatred and anger towards them.

    Why do liberals hate those who hate evil people?

    Hatred is only evil when it is directed at the righteous and the innocent. Hatred is what motivates moral men to fight evil. Hatred is what created democratic civilization. Hatred is the inspiration behind morality. Hate is a wonderful thing when it is used against evil.
    If hating evil people is wrong, I don’t want to be right.

    Wait a second… I’ve got two questions

    1. Are you one of those crazy people that believe sick and evil people deserve forgiveness, love and compassion?

    2. When you watch beheadings, amputations, stoning, boiling of humans, burnings and burials of live human beings - what do you feel? I hope the answer is hate and anger.

    Blind hatred is, of course, horrid and indefensible. My hatred comes from education, reason, and moral principle. Hate can be clear-eyed - and moral.


    Religious documents and books, because they are translated, can be interpreted in many different ways. 

    You know who said this? Many people. But you know who also said this on covers?

    You did. 

    As for your questions, when Timothy McVeigh blew up Oklahoma City, I didn't blame whites or Christians. 

    When the terrorists blew up our planes and buildings, or kill people here or overseas, I blame the terrorists.

    One simple fact destroys your entire thesis which is that more Muslims die at the hands of Muslim terrorists (ISIS and others) than anyone else. 

    You know who liked to point that out in the past. You. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    The topic wasn’t religion. The topic was Islam, and if Islam was evil. The proof was obvious. I provided proof that all your positions were invalid - one at a time. You failed to counter any of my points individually. Instead you chose to deflect and change the topic. It isn’t my fault that you have a highly developed sense of denial.

    Self-professed victories? I presented proof straight from the Quran.
    I hate Khmers rouges, FARC, Nazi’s, Klanzmen, Muslims, murders, rapists, and child molesters etc. all groups and types of evil people. I rightfully so feel hatred and anger towards them.

    Why do liberals hate those who hate evil people?

    Hatred is only evil when it is directed at the righteous and the innocent. Hatred is what motivates moral men to fight evil. Hatred is what created democratic civilization. Hatred is the inspiration behind morality. Hate is a wonderful thing when it is used against evil.
    If hating evil people is wrong, I don’t want to be right.

    Wait a second… I’ve got two questions

    1. Are you one of those crazy people that believe sick and evil people deserve forgiveness, love and compassion?

    2. When you watch beheadings, amputations, stoning, boiling of humans, burnings and burials of live human beings - what do you feel? I hope the answer is hate and anger.

    Blind hatred is, of course, horrid and indefensible. My hatred comes from education, reason, and moral principle. Hate can be clear-eyed - and moral.


    Religious documents and books, because they are translated, can be interpreted in many different ways. 

    You know who said this? Many people. But you know who also said this on covers?

    You did. 

    As for your questions, when Timothy McVeigh blew up Oklahoma City, I didn't blame whites or Christians. 

    When the terrorists blew up our planes and buildings, or kill people here or overseas, I blame the terrorists.

    One simple fact destroys your entire thesis which is that more Muslims die at the hands of Muslim terrorists (ISIS and others) than anyone else. 

    You know who liked to point that out in the past. You. 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2016 - 6:06 PM ET #134

    Not to interrupt a good debate ..but,, it looks like we not only have to worry about “radical islamic terrorism,” now we have be on your guard from attacks by troubled lawyers opening fire on morning commuters ...


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    Not to interrupt a good debate ..but,, it looks like we not only have to worry about “radical islamic terrorism,” now we have be on your guard from attacks by troubled lawyers opening fire on morning commuters ...


     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2016 - 7:23 PM ET #135

    525 gunned down in chicago but its OK crime is.at historic lows.source CBS news. All the spin Tokyo can dictate and.he of tonights Hillary campaign contributions.
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    525 gunned down in chicago but its OK crime is.at historic lows.source CBS news. All the spin Tokyo can dictate and.he of tonights Hillary campaign contributions.
     
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    Posted: Sep. 28, 2016 - 6:10 AM ET #136

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    Religious documents and books, because they are translated, can be interpreted in many different ways. 

    You know who said this? Many people. But you know who also said this on covers?

    You did. 

    As for your questions, when Timothy McVeigh blew up Oklahoma City, I didn't blame whites or Christians. 

    When the terrorists blew up our planes and buildings, or kill people here or overseas, I blame the terrorists.

    One simple fact destroys your entire thesis which is that more Muslims die at the hands of Muslim terrorists (ISIS and others) than anyone else. 

    You know who liked to point that out in the past. You. 
    You dogged all my questions. Why can’t liberals give direct responses?

    Who cares what I said in the past. I was under liberal hypnosis.

    Everything can be interpreted in many different ways. That’s a childish argument.

    For example:  “Kill, convert or subjugate Christians and J3ws.” (Quran 9:29)

    Kill - could mean smother them with kindness, or laughter, or positivity, or just humiliate
    Convert - could mean (a spare) in bowling, or score a point, or make a field goal or free throw
    Subjugate - could mean make them a sidekick, or guide them, or lead them

    Common sense says - “Kill, convert or subjugate Christians and J3ws.” (Quran 9:29) - Means to cause the death of Christians and J3ws, or coerce Christians and J3ws to adopt Islam, or conquer, master, and enslave the Christians and J3ws.

    Liberals and libertarians are so much alike. Both live in a state of childlike consciousness.

    Timothy McVeigh? McVeigh’s actions had nothing to do with race or religion. No one blames race or religion for what McVeigh did. He was motivated by Waco and Ruby Ridge. The terrorists that blow up planes and buildings and kill people here and overseas - screaming Allah Akbar - ARE motivated by ISLAM! These are two separate acts of terrorism. I thought you were a lawyer? Motive - "An idea, belief, or emotion that impels a person to act in accordance with that state of mind." You acknowledge the act of terrorism but disregard the motive. One is anti-government domestic terrorism. The other is Islamic terrorism. The two have no relation to each other. Your analogy is mind-boggling.  

    My thesis wasn’t WHO is dying. I don’t care about that. My point is Islam is the cause of pain and suffering and the inspiration for millions of deaths.

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    Religious documents and books, because they are translated, can be interpreted in many different ways. 

    You know who said this? Many people. But you know who also said this on covers?

    You did. 

    As for your questions, when Timothy McVeigh blew up Oklahoma City, I didn't blame whites or Christians. 

    When the terrorists blew up our planes and buildings, or kill people here or overseas, I blame the terrorists.

    One simple fact destroys your entire thesis which is that more Muslims die at the hands of Muslim terrorists (ISIS and others) than anyone else. 

    You know who liked to point that out in the past. You. 
    You dogged all my questions. Why can’t liberals give direct responses?

    Who cares what I said in the past. I was under liberal hypnosis.

    Everything can be interpreted in many different ways. That’s a childish argument.

    For example:  “Kill, convert or subjugate Christians and J3ws.” (Quran 9:29)

    Kill - could mean smother them with kindness, or laughter, or positivity, or just humiliate
    Convert - could mean (a spare) in bowling, or score a point, or make a field goal or free throw
    Subjugate - could mean make them a sidekick, or guide them, or lead them

    Common sense says - “Kill, convert or subjugate Christians and J3ws.” (Quran 9:29) - Means to cause the death of Christians and J3ws, or coerce Christians and J3ws to adopt Islam, or conquer, master, and enslave the Christians and J3ws.

    Liberals and libertarians are so much alike. Both live in a state of childlike consciousness.

    Timothy McVeigh? McVeigh’s actions had nothing to do with race or religion. No one blames race or religion for what McVeigh did. He was motivated by Waco and Ruby Ridge. The terrorists that blow up planes and buildings and kill people here and overseas - screaming Allah Akbar - ARE motivated by ISLAM! These are two separate acts of terrorism. I thought you were a lawyer? Motive - "An idea, belief, or emotion that impels a person to act in accordance with that state of mind." You acknowledge the act of terrorism but disregard the motive. One is anti-government domestic terrorism. The other is Islamic terrorism. The two have no relation to each other. Your analogy is mind-boggling.  

    My thesis wasn’t WHO is dying. I don’t care about that. My point is Islam is the cause of pain and suffering and the inspiration for millions of deaths.

     
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    "Liberal Hypnosis"... Is that covered under Obama Care? I wish therapy was for the obvious mental disorder of "Liberalism". Anyone that supports the cross-eyed lying witch obviously has a bad case. I wonder when Lester Holt will be added to her staff after the obvious bias in the questions and moderation at that debate. I can see his desk right next to disgraced DNC hack Debbie washerman-SCHULZ after that performance. Just like the scam pulled in Bernie, not 1 question regarding her dishonesty rating, emails, foundation, etc but Trump got questions about birtherism and his taxes like a convicted tax evader. I believe that debate showed 89M what's going on...
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    "Liberal Hypnosis"... Is that covered under Obama Care? I wish therapy was for the obvious mental disorder of "Liberalism". Anyone that supports the cross-eyed lying witch obviously has a bad case. I wonder when Lester Holt will be added to her staff after the obvious bias in the questions and moderation at that debate. I can see his desk right next to disgraced DNC hack Debbie washerman-SCHULZ after that performance. Just like the scam pulled in Bernie, not 1 question regarding her dishonesty rating, emails, foundation, etc but Trump got questions about birtherism and his taxes like a convicted tax evader. I believe that debate showed 89M what's going on...
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    You dogged all my questions. Why can’t liberals give direct responses?


    Who cares what I said in the past. I was under liberal hypnosis.

    Everything can be interpreted in many different ways. That’s a childish argument.

    For example:  “Kill, convert or subjugate Christians and J3ws.” (Quran 9:29)

    Kill - could mean smother them with kindness, or laughter, or positivity, or just humiliate
    Convert - could mean (a spare) in bowling, or score a point, or make a field goal or free throw
    Subjugate - could mean make them a sidekick, or guide them, or lead them

    Common sense says - “Kill, convert or subjugate Christians and J3ws.” (Quran 9:29) - Means to cause the death of Christians and J3ws, or coerce Christians and J3ws to adopt Islam, or conquer, master, and enslave the Christians and J3ws.

    Liberals and libertarians are so much alike. Both live in a state of childlike consciousness.

    Timothy McVeigh? McVeigh’s actions had nothing to do with race or religion. No one blames race or religion for what McVeigh did. He was motivated by Waco and Ruby Ridge. The terrorists that blow up planes and buildings and kill people here and overseas - screaming Allah Akbar - ARE motivated by ISLAM! These are two separate acts of terrorism. I thought you were a lawyer? Motive - "An idea, belief, or emotion that impels a person to act in accordance with that state of mind." You acknowledge the act of terrorism but disregard the motive. One is anti-government domestic terrorism. The other is Islamic terrorism. The two have no relation to each other. Your analogy is mind-boggling.  

    My thesis wasn’t WHO is dying. I don’t care about that. My point is Islam is the cause of pain and suffering and the inspiration for millions of deaths.


    You are lying again. 9.29 says the following:

    fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued

    Anyway, back to the original issue. 

    If Islam is the cause of millions of deaths and the idea is to kill those who do not follow Islam, why are 99% of the deaths at the hands of Muslim terrorists other Muslims? 

    And back to your awakening...

    You professed support to Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. You never supported liberals so to speak. So this whole realize you were living a lie is actually, well, another lie. 

    This person said it best:
    "The right wing creates fear to perpetuate their existence."
    MoneySRH 2012
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    You dogged all my questions. Why can’t liberals give direct responses?


    Who cares what I said in the past. I was under liberal hypnosis.

    Everything can be interpreted in many different ways. That’s a childish argument.

    For example:  “Kill, convert or subjugate Christians and J3ws.” (Quran 9:29)

    Kill - could mean smother them with kindness, or laughter, or positivity, or just humiliate
    Convert - could mean (a spare) in bowling, or score a point, or make a field goal or free throw
    Subjugate - could mean make them a sidekick, or guide them, or lead them

    Common sense says - “Kill, convert or subjugate Christians and J3ws.” (Quran 9:29) - Means to cause the death of Christians and J3ws, or coerce Christians and J3ws to adopt Islam, or conquer, master, and enslave the Christians and J3ws.

    Liberals and libertarians are so much alike. Both live in a state of childlike consciousness.

    Timothy McVeigh? McVeigh’s actions had nothing to do with race or religion. No one blames race or religion for what McVeigh did. He was motivated by Waco and Ruby Ridge. The terrorists that blow up planes and buildings and kill people here and overseas - screaming Allah Akbar - ARE motivated by ISLAM! These are two separate acts of terrorism. I thought you were a lawyer? Motive - "An idea, belief, or emotion that impels a person to act in accordance with that state of mind." You acknowledge the act of terrorism but disregard the motive. One is anti-government domestic terrorism. The other is Islamic terrorism. The two have no relation to each other. Your analogy is mind-boggling.  

    My thesis wasn’t WHO is dying. I don’t care about that. My point is Islam is the cause of pain and suffering and the inspiration for millions of deaths.


    You are lying again. 9.29 says the following:

    fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued

    Anyway, back to the original issue. 

    If Islam is the cause of millions of deaths and the idea is to kill those who do not follow Islam, why are 99% of the deaths at the hands of Muslim terrorists other Muslims? 

    And back to your awakening...

    You professed support to Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. You never supported liberals so to speak. So this whole realize you were living a lie is actually, well, another lie. 

    This person said it best:
    "The right wing creates fear to perpetuate their existence."
    MoneySRH 2012
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    You are lying again. 9.29 says the following:

    fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued

    Anyway, back to the original issue. 

    If Islam is the cause of millions of deaths and the idea is to kill those who do not follow Islam, why are 99% of the deaths at the hands of Muslim terrorists other Muslims? 

    And back to your awakening...

    You professed support to Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. You never supported liberals so to speak. So this whole realize you were living a lie is actually, well, another lie. 

    This person said it best:
    "The right wing creates fear to perpetuate their existence."
    MoneySRH 2012
    Quran (9:29) "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

    I’m not lying. I just put the verse in plain English.

    The first part says, “Fight those who don’t believe in a Muslim god”. Common sense says fight means kill.  War isn’t a bunch of men fist fighting each other. LOL!

    The second part says, “Nor acknowledge the religion of truth,” (even if they are) of the People of the Book”. When put together with the first verse, you get (fight Christians and J3ws until they acknowledge Islam as the religion of truth.)

    "People of the Book" refers to Christians and J3ws who follow the bible. The term "People of the Book" in the Quran refers to followers of monotheistic Abrahamic religions that are older than Islam. Don’t believe me? Look it up.

    The third part says, “until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." It’s obvious what this statement is implying. According to this verse, "People of the Book" AKA Christians and J3ws are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status.

    When everything is tied together in simplified English, it reads, “Kill, convert or subjugate Christians and J3ws.” (Quran 9:29)

    You passed law school? This is basic reading comprehension.

    There are three reasons Muslims kill other Muslims.

    One reason is Jihad applies to other Muslims too. Not all Muslims are considered equal according to the Quran. The Quran calls ‘not true Muslims,’ “hypocrites.”Jihadists believe they will go to hell just as unbelievers do, and so, their lives matter for naught. The Quran says a hypocrite can be anyone that doesn’t follow everything in the Quran, fears martyrdom, doesn’t fight or contribute to the fight, or shows friendliness to non-believers.

    The second reason is the Quran makes exceptions for the unintentional killing of "believers" for a “just” cause (AKA Jihad) and mandates the killing of "hypocrites."

    The third reason is intra-Muslim conflicts - Shia vs. Sunni - fundamentalists vs. moderates vs. apostates - Kharijites, Wahhabis, etc. or ethnic conflicts, or economics, or tribalism.

    I supported Obama, Jon Stewart, and Bill Maher. I was an Obama supporter about 6 years ago. I used to be as much of an Obama cheerleader as the “bi-partisan independents” are on here cheering for their hero Hillary.

    I loved liberalism. It’s documented. It’s hard to go that far back on covers. I started to slowly shift towards supporting libertarians after Obama began to disappoint me.

    You have to go way back to when 14daroad, be easy, KOAJ, disco, Glenn, esplanade, rooster, and rick were regular political forum posters. I’m sure these posters would confirm I was a liberal. I think I debated Cano and Sarasota Slim when I was an Obama supporter. I know these guys are still around to verify I was a liberal.

    Today I would say:

    “The left wing creates terrorism, anarchy, poverty, racism, slavery, and dependence on government to perpetuate their existence.”
    - MoneySRH - Vote Trump 2016

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    You are lying again. 9.29 says the following:

    fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth , (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued

    Anyway, back to the original issue. 

    If Islam is the cause of millions of deaths and the idea is to kill those who do not follow Islam, why are 99% of the deaths at the hands of Muslim terrorists other Muslims? 

    And back to your awakening...

    You professed support to Ron Paul and Gary Johnson. You never supported liberals so to speak. So this whole realize you were living a lie is actually, well, another lie. 

    This person said it best:
    "The right wing creates fear to perpetuate their existence."
    MoneySRH 2012
    Quran (9:29) "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

    I’m not lying. I just put the verse in plain English.

    The first part says, “Fight those who don’t believe in a Muslim god”. Common sense says fight means kill.  War isn’t a bunch of men fist fighting each other. LOL!

    The second part says, “Nor acknowledge the religion of truth,” (even if they are) of the People of the Book”. When put together with the first verse, you get (fight Christians and J3ws until they acknowledge Islam as the religion of truth.)

    "People of the Book" refers to Christians and J3ws who follow the bible. The term "People of the Book" in the Quran refers to followers of monotheistic Abrahamic religions that are older than Islam. Don’t believe me? Look it up.

    The third part says, “until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." It’s obvious what this statement is implying. According to this verse, "People of the Book" AKA Christians and J3ws are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status.

    When everything is tied together in simplified English, it reads, “Kill, convert or subjugate Christians and J3ws.” (Quran 9:29)

    You passed law school? This is basic reading comprehension.

    There are three reasons Muslims kill other Muslims.

    One reason is Jihad applies to other Muslims too. Not all Muslims are considered equal according to the Quran. The Quran calls ‘not true Muslims,’ “hypocrites.”Jihadists believe they will go to hell just as unbelievers do, and so, their lives matter for naught. The Quran says a hypocrite can be anyone that doesn’t follow everything in the Quran, fears martyrdom, doesn’t fight or contribute to the fight, or shows friendliness to non-believers.

    The second reason is the Quran makes exceptions for the unintentional killing of "believers" for a “just” cause (AKA Jihad) and mandates the killing of "hypocrites."

    The third reason is intra-Muslim conflicts - Shia vs. Sunni - fundamentalists vs. moderates vs. apostates - Kharijites, Wahhabis, etc. or ethnic conflicts, or economics, or tribalism.

    I supported Obama, Jon Stewart, and Bill Maher. I was an Obama supporter about 6 years ago. I used to be as much of an Obama cheerleader as the “bi-partisan independents” are on here cheering for their hero Hillary.

    I loved liberalism. It’s documented. It’s hard to go that far back on covers. I started to slowly shift towards supporting libertarians after Obama began to disappoint me.

    You have to go way back to when 14daroad, be easy, KOAJ, disco, Glenn, esplanade, rooster, and rick were regular political forum posters. I’m sure these posters would confirm I was a liberal. I think I debated Cano and Sarasota Slim when I was an Obama supporter. I know these guys are still around to verify I was a liberal.

    Today I would say:

    “The left wing creates terrorism, anarchy, poverty, racism, slavery, and dependence on government to perpetuate their existence.”
    - MoneySRH - Vote Trump 2016

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

     

    I’m not lying. I just put the verse in plain English.





    You mean, you translated it yourself to suit your right wing extremist agenda. 

    As for your answer on Muslims killing Muslims, it would only be appropriate if your original hypothesis was wrong.

    Remember: you believe that ALL Muslims are inherently violent, hate America, and are a danger. 

    So AGAIN, if this were true, why would terrorists target other Muslims since according to you ALL Muslims adhere to the above beliefs. 
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    I’m not lying. I just put the verse in plain English.





    You mean, you translated it yourself to suit your right wing extremist agenda. 

    As for your answer on Muslims killing Muslims, it would only be appropriate if your original hypothesis was wrong.

    Remember: you believe that ALL Muslims are inherently violent, hate America, and are a danger. 

    So AGAIN, if this were true, why would terrorists target other Muslims since according to you ALL Muslims adhere to the above beliefs. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

     I’m not lying. I just put the verse in plain English.
    You mean, you translated it yourself to suit your right wing extremist agenda. As for your answer on Muslims killing Muslims, it would only be appropriate if your original hypothesis was wrong.Remember: you believe that ALL Muslims are inherently violent, hate America, and are a danger. So AGAIN, if this were true, why would terrorists target other Muslims since according to you ALL Muslims adhere to the above beliefs.
    Ok, you think my translation of the verse 9:29 is wrong. Ok, then, why don't YOU translate the verse in plain English for the forum. You're a lawyer, right? It should be easy for a man of your education.

    You act like calling me a right wing extremist offends me lol. All that means is you're calling me an overly patriotic patriot. It's much better than being an Ameriphobe like yourself.

    All true Muslims adhere to what is said in the Quran. How strongly committed each Muslim is individually depends on the understanding of and allegiance to Islam.

    Again, the Muslims that kill other Muslims kill them for not being Muslim enough or kill them for the cause of jihad.

    It's like ALL pedophiles are dangerous. There are millions of pedophiles on earth. Not all pedophiles act on their thoughts and beliefs. They just blend into society without committing any criminal acts besides maybe watching kiddie porn. Just like Muslims read the Quran but never act on everything that's prescribed.

    A pedophile doesn't have to commit child molestation or rape to be considered dangerous. Just as a Muslim doesn't have to commit acts of violence to be dangerous. The pedophile and Muslim are dangerous because of their minds. All it takes is for something to trigger them for them to succumb to their ideas, beliefs, thoughts, and desires.

    The scary thing is the Quran is not only a dangerous brainwashing tool of crime and death but Muhammad was a thief, rapist, murderer, terrorist and pedophile.

    The idea that people worship such a man and believe he is a role mole for mankind is truly dangerous and terrifying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

     I’m not lying. I just put the verse in plain English.
    You mean, you translated it yourself to suit your right wing extremist agenda. As for your answer on Muslims killing Muslims, it would only be appropriate if your original hypothesis was wrong.Remember: you believe that ALL Muslims are inherently violent, hate America, and are a danger. So AGAIN, if this were true, why would terrorists target other Muslims since according to you ALL Muslims adhere to the above beliefs.
    Ok, you think my translation of the verse 9:29 is wrong. Ok, then, why don't YOU translate the verse in plain English for the forum. You're a lawyer, right? It should be easy for a man of your education.

    You act like calling me a right wing extremist offends me lol. All that means is you're calling me an overly patriotic patriot. It's much better than being an Ameriphobe like yourself.

    All true Muslims adhere to what is said in the Quran. How strongly committed each Muslim is individually depends on the understanding of and allegiance to Islam.

    Again, the Muslims that kill other Muslims kill them for not being Muslim enough or kill them for the cause of jihad.

    It's like ALL pedophiles are dangerous. There are millions of pedophiles on earth. Not all pedophiles act on their thoughts and beliefs. They just blend into society without committing any criminal acts besides maybe watching kiddie porn. Just like Muslims read the Quran but never act on everything that's prescribed.

    A pedophile doesn't have to commit child molestation or rape to be considered dangerous. Just as a Muslim doesn't have to commit acts of violence to be dangerous. The pedophile and Muslim are dangerous because of their minds. All it takes is for something to trigger them for them to succumb to their ideas, beliefs, thoughts, and desires.

    The scary thing is the Quran is not only a dangerous brainwashing tool of crime and death but Muhammad was a thief, rapist, murderer, terrorist and pedophile.

    The idea that people worship such a man and believe he is a role mole for mankind is truly dangerous and terrifying.
     
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    There is nothing to add. You don't speak Arabic but translated a document to suit your extremist agenda. 

    But no matter how you spin your views steeped in bitterness and hatred, you cannot possibly reconcile your belief that all Muslims are inherently violent and evil with the reality that 99% of the victims of Muslim terrorists are fellow Muslims. 

    Simply impossible to do. 


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    There is nothing to add. You don't speak Arabic but translated a document to suit your extremist agenda. 

    But no matter how you spin your views steeped in bitterness and hatred, you cannot possibly reconcile your belief that all Muslims are inherently violent and evil with the reality that 99% of the victims of Muslim terrorists are fellow Muslims. 

    Simply impossible to do. 


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    There is nothing to add. You don't speak Arabic but translated a document to suit your extremist agenda. But no matter how you spin your views steeped in bitterness and hatred, you cannot possibly reconcile your belief that all Muslims are inherently violent and evil with the reality that 99% of the victims of Muslim terrorists are fellow Muslims. Simply impossible to do.

    Here are 7 English translations.

    https://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=29

    I didn't ask you to translate Arabic. I asked you to simplify verse 9:29 in English. When you're done simplifying the verse in English. I'll respond to the other part of your post.
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    There is nothing to add. You don't speak Arabic but translated a document to suit your extremist agenda. But no matter how you spin your views steeped in bitterness and hatred, you cannot possibly reconcile your belief that all Muslims are inherently violent and evil with the reality that 99% of the victims of Muslim terrorists are fellow Muslims. Simply impossible to do.

    Here are 7 English translations.

    https://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=9&verse=29

    I didn't ask you to translate Arabic. I asked you to simplify verse 9:29 in English. When you're done simplifying the verse in English. I'll respond to the other part of your post.
     
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    It's been 2 days
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    It's been 4 days?

    Interesting... a so called 'lawyer' that can't simplify or paraphrase one sentence
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    Interesting... a so called 'lawyer' that can't simplify or paraphrase one sentence
     
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    It's been 10 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    It's been 10 days.


    It's working for Hillary..........
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    It's been 10 days.


    It's working for Hillary..........
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    It's working for Hillary..........

    That it is. She should have been doing it all along. 

    And by 'it,' I mean nothing and letting your boy hang himself. 
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    It's working for Hillary..........

    That it is. She should have been doing it all along. 

    And by 'it,' I mean nothing and letting your boy hang himself. 
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    It's been 4 days?

    Interesting... a so called 'lawyer' that can't simplify or paraphrase one sentence

    When you say "so-called," what do you mean? I realize that you might have made some assumptions based on my acumen, but I'm certain you won't find anything to support the above statement. 

    As for your post, a quote I found sums it up nicely. 

    "Ever notice how the religious right disavows any website that is contrary to their beliefs, yet accepts as fact any that is supportive?" 
    -MoneySRH discussing religion

    And you still cannot answer the following:

    But no matter how you spin your views steeped in bitterness and hatred, you cannot possibly reconcile your belief that all Muslims are inherently violent and evil with the reality that 99% of the victims of Muslim terrorists are fellow Muslims. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneySRH:

    It's been 4 days?

    Interesting... a so called 'lawyer' that can't simplify or paraphrase one sentence

    When you say "so-called," what do you mean? I realize that you might have made some assumptions based on my acumen, but I'm certain you won't find anything to support the above statement. 

    As for your post, a quote I found sums it up nicely. 

    "Ever notice how the religious right disavows any website that is contrary to their beliefs, yet accepts as fact any that is supportive?" 
    -MoneySRH discussing religion

    And you still cannot answer the following:

    But no matter how you spin your views steeped in bitterness and hatred, you cannot possibly reconcile your belief that all Muslims are inherently violent and evil with the reality that 99% of the victims of Muslim terrorists are fellow Muslims. 
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