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    Posted: Apr. 27, 2022 - 10:43 PM ET #4251

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Dr. Birx says she was paralyzed during Trump's rant regarding injecting bleach. Nice try Doc; not buying it or the book you are trying to sell. The country needed a voice of reason during one of our most trying times & your failed bigly. You're just another gutless coward.

    What "rant" and when did Trump say "bleach". He NEVER DID, but hey that's how the Left rolls, insert bullshit and now accepted as truth. 

    First Trump talked about a briefing he received about technology being used such as ultraviolet light. "And I think you told me your going to test that" as he looks at the doctors seated.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071030080626.htm

    And you stated the power of disinfectants. "Is there a way we can do something with that?" he asks. "by injection inside, around the lungs? it will be interesting to check that, your going to have to use medical doctors, sounds interesting".  

     

    Mouthwashes containing alcohol can kill viruses In the mouth and throat. Trump suggested doctors could look at injecting disinfectants in or around the lungs. As we know there are currently no disinfectants that would not harm the body too.  

    an_getawayTRUMP RANTS INJECTING BLEACH!!!!an_getaway

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    Dr. Birx says she was paralyzed during Trump's rant regarding injecting bleach. Nice try Doc; not buying it or the book you are trying to sell. The country needed a voice of reason during one of our most trying times & your failed bigly. You're just another gutless coward.

    What "rant" and when did Trump say "bleach". He NEVER DID, but hey that's how the Left rolls, insert bullshit and now accepted as truth. 

    First Trump talked about a briefing he received about technology being used such as ultraviolet light. "And I think you told me your going to test that" as he looks at the doctors seated.

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/10/071030080626.htm

    And you stated the power of disinfectants. "Is there a way we can do something with that?" he asks. "by injection inside, around the lungs? it will be interesting to check that, your going to have to use medical doctors, sounds interesting".  

     

    Mouthwashes containing alcohol can kill viruses In the mouth and throat. Trump suggested doctors could look at injecting disinfectants in or around the lungs. As we know there are currently no disinfectants that would not harm the body too.  

    an_getawayTRUMP RANTS INJECTING BLEACH!!!!an_getaway

     

     
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    Posted: May. 4, 2022 - 7:09 AM ET #4252

    Reporters and staffers from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, Politico, and other news organizations test positive for COVID-19 after White House Correspondents' Dinner; exact number unknown

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    Reporters and staffers from CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, Politico, and other news organizations test positive for COVID-19 after White House Correspondents' Dinner; exact number unknown

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    Posted: May. 4, 2022 - 7:12 AM ET #4253

    Far left New York and far left New Jersey leading the country in Covid cases again 

    Their 4 Covid boosters don’t seem to be workin

    What is Joe Biden doing about it? 

     

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    Far left New York and far left New Jersey leading the country in Covid cases again 

    Their 4 Covid boosters don’t seem to be workin

    What is Joe Biden doing about it? 

     

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    Posted: May. 5, 2022 - 1:04 AM ET #4254

    Somber news, Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. have surpassed one million. Unfortunately, many of them could have been saved through vaccinations, masking and social distancing, etc. mitigate measures. 

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    Somber news, Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. have surpassed one million. Unfortunately, many of them could have been saved through vaccinations, masking and social distancing, etc. mitigate measures. 

    peace 

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2022 - 1:20 AM ET #4255

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    @BigGame90  Yep. I also remember the POTUS said that Covid would be gone by April.
    trump said it would be gone after the election,don't forget that part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    @BigGame90  Yep. I also remember the POTUS said that Covid would be gone by April.
    trump said it would be gone after the election,don't forget that part.

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2022 - 1:33 AM ET #4256

    And don't forget,trump told you and your family and everybody else not to get the vaccine.But come to find out later,him and his family had already received the vaccine,when he was telling everybody else not to get it.You got no problem with that?

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    And don't forget,trump told you and your family and everybody else not to get the vaccine.But come to find out later,him and his family had already received the vaccine,when he was telling everybody else not to get it.You got no problem with that?

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2022 - 1:37 AM ET #4257

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    @BigGame90  

     

    Yep. I also remember TRUMP said that Covid would be gone by April.

     

    A lot of people remember that. 

    Unfortunately there are now one million Americans for whom that won't matter anymore, as a direct result of trump DOWNPLAYING the pandemic then, possibly worse of all, instilling a deep distrust of public health officials (and MSM) into the minds of at least 35% of the American population (trump voters) leading to an ongoing death toll, regardless the best efforts of the Biden admin to combat and reverse the trump-enabled disaster....

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    @BigGame90  

     

    Yep. I also remember TRUMP said that Covid would be gone by April.

     

    A lot of people remember that. 

    Unfortunately there are now one million Americans for whom that won't matter anymore, as a direct result of trump DOWNPLAYING the pandemic then, possibly worse of all, instilling a deep distrust of public health officials (and MSM) into the minds of at least 35% of the American population (trump voters) leading to an ongoing death toll, regardless the best efforts of the Biden admin to combat and reverse the trump-enabled disaster....

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2022 - 1:47 AM ET #4258

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Somber news, Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. have surpassed one million. Unfortunately, many of them could have been saved through vaccinations, masking and social distancing, etc. mitigate measures.

    Define "many".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Somber news, Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. have surpassed one million. Unfortunately, many of them could have been saved through vaccinations, masking and social distancing, etc. mitigate measures.

    Define "many".

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2022 - 1:48 AM ET #4259

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    And don't forget,trump told you and your family and everybody else not to get the vaccine.But come to find out later,him and his family had already received the vaccine,when he was telling everybody else not to get it.You got no problem with that?

    When did Trump say not to get vaccinated?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    And don't forget,trump told you and your family and everybody else not to get the vaccine.But come to find out later,him and his family had already received the vaccine,when he was telling everybody else not to get it.You got no problem with that?

    When did Trump say not to get vaccinated?

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2022 - 2:13 AM ET #4260

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: And don't forget,trump told you and your family and everybody else not to get the vaccine.But come to find out later,him and his family had already received the vaccine,when he was telling everybody else not to get it.You got no problem with that? When did Trump say not to get vaccinated?
    Your right he never actually came out and said don't get the vaccine,your right about that.But he never told people that he and his family had received the vaccine either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa: And don't forget,trump told you and your family and everybody else not to get the vaccine.But come to find out later,him and his family had already received the vaccine,when he was telling everybody else not to get it.You got no problem with that? When did Trump say not to get vaccinated?
    Your right he never actually came out and said don't get the vaccine,your right about that.But he never told people that he and his family had received the vaccine either.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Somber news, Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. have surpassed one million. Unfortunately, many of them could have been saved through vaccinations, masking and social distancing, etc. mitigate measures. Define "many".

    Unvaccinated Adults 11 Times More Likely To Die of COVID-19: CDC

    https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-10-15/unvaccinated-adults-11-times-more-likely-to-die-of-covid-19-cdc

    I need not to "define" it. You are too smart to google and read it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Somber news, Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. have surpassed one million. Unfortunately, many of them could have been saved through vaccinations, masking and social distancing, etc. mitigate measures. Define "many".

    Unvaccinated Adults 11 Times More Likely To Die of COVID-19: CDC

    https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-10-15/unvaccinated-adults-11-times-more-likely-to-die-of-covid-19-cdc

    I need not to "define" it. You are too smart to google and read it.

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2022 - 4:12 AM ET #4262

    The disinformation inside this thread regarding the mRNA gene therapy shot you proudly call a vaccine is astonishing! How many of you have taken 4 shots because 0f the biggest psy op in human history? Good luck with all of that!

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    The disinformation inside this thread regarding the mRNA gene therapy shot you proudly call a vaccine is astonishing! How many of you have taken 4 shots because 0f the biggest psy op in human history? Good luck with all of that!

     
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    If Trump would have been re-elected cannot help but think the anti-vaxer roles would have been reversed. 

     

    The fact is the vaccine was designed for the original strain and was very effective......until Delta came along. Delta first recognized in India, December 2020. It hit Europe hard in the spring. On July 19th, 2021 the UK announced to the world that with their population 50% vaccinated the hospitals were filled and 40% were the vaccinated. It was a dire warning that the vaccine was no longer as effective as basically a new virus had arrived. So what did our CDC and president do with this new critical information? 

    They went to work fast! Two days later Biden on national TV says get the vaccine and you WILL NOT DIE, GET HOSPITALIZED, OR EVEN GET COVID. Jen Psaki displays charts showing back to Jan 1 that 99% of all cases/deaths were the unvaccinated. "It's a pandemic of the unvaccinated" was the new cry drowning out and ignoring the UK facts. 

    Delta hits and suddenly much more vaccinated are dying. Fauci says in August everyone needs to wear a mask. Several states impose mask mandates and vaccinations required for many events such as going to McDonald's. Those states would end up with slightly higher case numbers per 100,000 population than rest of U.S. during the five months of mandates-- interesting.

    In the fall boosters are recommended. For many it works. Minnesota had a booster campaign in Oct/Nov and deaths among the vaccinated dropped from about 40% to 25% in December. In January the deaths among the vaccinated skyrocketed to 55% of the vaxed and continued to rise indicating the boosters had a limited effective time.

    Omicron was detected in South Africa and Biden shutdown travel fom several African countries. It was too late as Omicron was already here. Omicron and it's sub-variants appear less lethal but also appear to infect the vaccinated as easily as the unvaccinated. The last two weeks of March show 68.6% of Minnesota hospitalizations were the vaccinated. On February 5th Biden tweeted the unvaccinated were 97 times more likely to die than the boostered. About the same time Iceland stop updating their available charts that compared the vaccinated to the unvaccinated as the vaccinated, adults and children, had passed the unvaccinated in cases per 100,000. The hospitalizations for the boostered was skyrocketing an about to meet hospitalizations for the unvaccinated. These charts were removed from public view. 

    So here we are, almost all top politicians with three or four shots, except Biden, have tested positive. Does not appear any will admit what drugs/treatments are being thrown at them behind closed doors. an_light

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    If Trump would have been re-elected cannot help but think the anti-vaxer roles would have been reversed. 

     

    The fact is the vaccine was designed for the original strain and was very effective......until Delta came along. Delta first recognized in India, December 2020. It hit Europe hard in the spring. On July 19th, 2021 the UK announced to the world that with their population 50% vaccinated the hospitals were filled and 40% were the vaccinated. It was a dire warning that the vaccine was no longer as effective as basically a new virus had arrived. So what did our CDC and president do with this new critical information? 

    They went to work fast! Two days later Biden on national TV says get the vaccine and you WILL NOT DIE, GET HOSPITALIZED, OR EVEN GET COVID. Jen Psaki displays charts showing back to Jan 1 that 99% of all cases/deaths were the unvaccinated. "It's a pandemic of the unvaccinated" was the new cry drowning out and ignoring the UK facts. 

    Delta hits and suddenly much more vaccinated are dying. Fauci says in August everyone needs to wear a mask. Several states impose mask mandates and vaccinations required for many events such as going to McDonald's. Those states would end up with slightly higher case numbers per 100,000 population than rest of U.S. during the five months of mandates-- interesting.

    In the fall boosters are recommended. For many it works. Minnesota had a booster campaign in Oct/Nov and deaths among the vaccinated dropped from about 40% to 25% in December. In January the deaths among the vaccinated skyrocketed to 55% of the vaxed and continued to rise indicating the boosters had a limited effective time.

    Omicron was detected in South Africa and Biden shutdown travel fom several African countries. It was too late as Omicron was already here. Omicron and it's sub-variants appear less lethal but also appear to infect the vaccinated as easily as the unvaccinated. The last two weeks of March show 68.6% of Minnesota hospitalizations were the vaccinated. On February 5th Biden tweeted the unvaccinated were 97 times more likely to die than the boostered. About the same time Iceland stop updating their available charts that compared the vaccinated to the unvaccinated as the vaccinated, adults and children, had passed the unvaccinated in cases per 100,000. The hospitalizations for the boostered was skyrocketing an about to meet hospitalizations for the unvaccinated. These charts were removed from public view. 

    So here we are, almost all top politicians with three or four shots, except Biden, have tested positive. Does not appear any will admit what drugs/treatments are being thrown at them behind closed doors. an_light

     
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    Animals and Covid.

     

    Mink seem to be very susceptible to covid-19. And in one case it was documented that covid was spread by mink to a human. The CDC lists several animals that have tested positive for covid and says the chance of animal to human transmission is small. Further studies needed. an_light

    Several states tested wild whitetail deer and found on average 33% had antibodies showing exposed to covid-19. Michigan deer had a 67% positivity rate. How can that be??? Animals in the wild, in the woods, testing at 67%? Spread out over distances.

    Do we really know how viruses spread? Do ya think whitetail deer violate the 15 minutes of close human contact that the CDC requires for possible infection?

    Do ya think whitetail deer failed to social distance?

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    Animals and Covid.

     

    Mink seem to be very susceptible to covid-19. And in one case it was documented that covid was spread by mink to a human. The CDC lists several animals that have tested positive for covid and says the chance of animal to human transmission is small. Further studies needed. an_light

    Several states tested wild whitetail deer and found on average 33% had antibodies showing exposed to covid-19. Michigan deer had a 67% positivity rate. How can that be??? Animals in the wild, in the woods, testing at 67%? Spread out over distances.

    Do we really know how viruses spread? Do ya think whitetail deer violate the 15 minutes of close human contact that the CDC requires for possible infection?

    Do ya think whitetail deer failed to social distance?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    And don't forget,trump told you and your family and everybody else not to get the vaccine.But come to find out later,him and his family had already received the vaccine,when he was telling everybody else not to get it.You got no problem with that?
    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    Your right he never actually came out and said don't get the vaccine,your right about that.But he never told people that he and his family had received the vaccine either.

     

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    And don't forget,trump told you and your family and everybody else not to get the vaccine.But come to find out later,him and his family had already received the vaccine,when he was telling everybody else not to get it.You got no problem with that?
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    Your right he never actually came out and said don't get the vaccine,your right about that.But he never told people that he and his family had received the vaccine either.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Somber news, Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. have surpassed one million. Unfortunately, many of them could have been saved through vaccinations, masking and social distancing, etc. mitigate measures.

    Sadly, public health officials are unfairly blamed because people have unrealistic expectations and are unaware of the millions of hospitalizations prevented.  Actually, covid vaccines have worked better than expected in the eyes of epidemiologists.  Historically, no vaccine is 100% perfect.  For infectious viruses that mutate often, over 50% efficacy is good enough for new vaccine approval by Food drug administration.  Natural for human immunity to wane over time and for virus variants to become more transmissible.  Eventually, some people get sick or die in a pandemic.  Without vaccines, treatments and public health measures, deaths and hospitalizations would be far greater.  But vaccines are victims of their own success. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Somber news, Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. have surpassed one million. Unfortunately, many of them could have been saved through vaccinations, masking and social distancing, etc. mitigate measures.

    Sadly, public health officials are unfairly blamed because people have unrealistic expectations and are unaware of the millions of hospitalizations prevented.  Actually, covid vaccines have worked better than expected in the eyes of epidemiologists.  Historically, no vaccine is 100% perfect.  For infectious viruses that mutate often, over 50% efficacy is good enough for new vaccine approval by Food drug administration.  Natural for human immunity to wane over time and for virus variants to become more transmissible.  Eventually, some people get sick or die in a pandemic.  Without vaccines, treatments and public health measures, deaths and hospitalizations would be far greater.  But vaccines are victims of their own success. 

     
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    Hmmm unrealistic expectations, wonder where that came from???

    Snopes;  During a July 2021 CNN town hall, U.S. President Joe Biden falsely stated that "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," and "If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit, and you’re not going to die."

    Then came; https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-some-people-feel-guilty-after-testing-positive-for-covid-19

    https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2021/12/covid-shame-torments-the-infected/

    https://www.kqed.org/news/11903506/i-felt-as-if-i-failed-why-do-some-people-feel-shame-at-getting-covid

     

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    Hmmm unrealistic expectations, wonder where that came from???

    Snopes;  During a July 2021 CNN town hall, U.S. President Joe Biden falsely stated that "You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations," and "If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in the ICU unit, and you’re not going to die."

    Then came; https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-some-people-feel-guilty-after-testing-positive-for-covid-19

    https://news.northwestern.edu/stories/2021/12/covid-shame-torments-the-infected/

    https://www.kqed.org/news/11903506/i-felt-as-if-i-failed-why-do-some-people-feel-shame-at-getting-covid

     

     
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    Posted: May. 5, 2022 - 4:33 PM ET #4268

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    @BigGame90  Yep. I also remember the POTUS said that Covid would be gone by April.

    Did Trump actually say that? Of course not. 

    He said; (while toilet paper was leaving the shelves by panicked idiots) Trump, Feb. 10: “And by the way, the virus. … It looks like by April, you know in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away — I hope that’s true. But we’re doing great in our country. China, I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s going to all work out fine. Rough stuff, I tell you, rough, rough stuff. But I think it’s going to work out good. We only have 11 cases, and they’re all getting better.

    And Biden really had no plan other than to push the vaccine Trump worked so hard to deliver while dividing the country even further with white supremacy as the greatest threat bullshit. Then when Delta came along Biden ignored the warnings from the UK and blindly continued on the same narrow minded path. From June 1st to now over 400,000 have died and many were the vaccinated. 

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    @BigGame90  Yep. I also remember the POTUS said that Covid would be gone by April.

    Did Trump actually say that? Of course not. 

    He said; (while toilet paper was leaving the shelves by panicked idiots) Trump, Feb. 10: “And by the way, the virus. … It looks like by April, you know in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away — I hope that’s true. But we’re doing great in our country. China, I spoke with President Xi, and they’re working very, very hard. And I think it’s going to all work out fine. Rough stuff, I tell you, rough, rough stuff. But I think it’s going to work out good. We only have 11 cases, and they’re all getting better.

    And Biden really had no plan other than to push the vaccine Trump worked so hard to deliver while dividing the country even further with white supremacy as the greatest threat bullshit. Then when Delta came along Biden ignored the warnings from the UK and blindly continued on the same narrow minded path. From June 1st to now over 400,000 have died and many were the vaccinated. 

     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2022 - 9:46 AM ET #4269

    They say "ADULTS 11 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE", and what it really means when you drill down the data is those 65 and older are where the majority of deaths have occurred. Those adults in the 20-59 year range far less susceptible unless commorbidities exist. 

    Wisconsin has the best data on the internet: https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/vaccine-status.htm#age

    The death rate for unvaccinated 0-34 years of age in Wisconsin is 0 for every 100,000.

    35-44 is 0.8

    45-54 is 1.4

    55-64 jumps to 7.9 per 100,000,

    65+ at 27.9

    Obviously those over 55 are the target group. Those under 35 not at all. Yet we heavily target the school age believing it will stop the spread. Not so anymore, it's obvious now everybody vaccinated can easily get covid. So why target infants?? Sounds insane. 

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    They say "ADULTS 11 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO DIE", and what it really means when you drill down the data is those 65 and older are where the majority of deaths have occurred. Those adults in the 20-59 year range far less susceptible unless commorbidities exist. 

    Wisconsin has the best data on the internet: https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/vaccine-status.htm#age

    The death rate for unvaccinated 0-34 years of age in Wisconsin is 0 for every 100,000.

    35-44 is 0.8

    45-54 is 1.4

    55-64 jumps to 7.9 per 100,000,

    65+ at 27.9

    Obviously those over 55 are the target group. Those under 35 not at all. Yet we heavily target the school age believing it will stop the spread. Not so anymore, it's obvious now everybody vaccinated can easily get covid. So why target infants?? Sounds insane. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Somber news, Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. have surpassed one million. Unfortunately, many of them could have been saved through vaccinations, masking and social distancing, etc. mitigate measures.

     

    Sadly, public health officials are unfairly blamed because people have unrealistic expectations and are unaware of the millions of hospitalizations prevented. 

    Actually, covid vaccines have worked better than expected in the eyes of epidemiologists.  Historically, no vaccine is 100% perfect.  For infectious viruses that mutate often, over 50% efficacy is good enough for new vaccine approval by Food drug administration.  Natural for human immunity to wane over time and for virus variants to become more transmissible.  Eventually, some people get sick or die in a pandemic.  Without vaccines, treatments and public health measures, deaths and hospitalizations would be far greater. 

     

    The "unawareness" is almost entirely due to deliberate rightwing disinformation and anti-Democrat propaganda.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: Somber news, Covid-19 deaths in the U.S. have surpassed one million. Unfortunately, many of them could have been saved through vaccinations, masking and social distancing, etc. mitigate measures.

     

    Sadly, public health officials are unfairly blamed because people have unrealistic expectations and are unaware of the millions of hospitalizations prevented. 

    Actually, covid vaccines have worked better than expected in the eyes of epidemiologists.  Historically, no vaccine is 100% perfect.  For infectious viruses that mutate often, over 50% efficacy is good enough for new vaccine approval by Food drug administration.  Natural for human immunity to wane over time and for virus variants to become more transmissible.  Eventually, some people get sick or die in a pandemic.  Without vaccines, treatments and public health measures, deaths and hospitalizations would be far greater. 

     

    The "unawareness" is almost entirely due to deliberate rightwing disinformation and anti-Democrat propaganda.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    The "unawareness" is almost entirely due to deliberate rightwing disinformation and anti-Democrat propaganda.

    Biden inherited a mess from Trump who destroyed public trust by constantly lying.  Furthermore, anti-science republicans work to sabotage US pandemic response.  They oppose public health guidelines, block funding and promote misinformation which fuels vaccine hesitancy leading to excess deaths and hospitalizations in the US.  But for the most part, Biden administration has put US in a much better position than Trump in 2020.  Now pandemic is becoming endemic as hospitalizations and deaths are lower than in past waves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    The "unawareness" is almost entirely due to deliberate rightwing disinformation and anti-Democrat propaganda.

    Biden inherited a mess from Trump who destroyed public trust by constantly lying.  Furthermore, anti-science republicans work to sabotage US pandemic response.  They oppose public health guidelines, block funding and promote misinformation which fuels vaccine hesitancy leading to excess deaths and hospitalizations in the US.  But for the most part, Biden administration has put US in a much better position than Trump in 2020.  Now pandemic is becoming endemic as hospitalizations and deaths are lower than in past waves.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: The "unawareness" is almost entirely due to deliberate rightwing disinformation and anti-Democrat propaganda. Biden inherited a mess from Trump who destroyed public trust by constantly lying.  Furthermore, anti-science republicans work to sabotage US pandemic response.  They oppose public health guidelines, block funding and promote misinformation which fuels vaccine hesitancy leading to excess deaths and hospitalizations in the US.  But for the most part, Biden administration has put US in a much better position than Trump in 2020.  Now pandemic is becoming endemic as hospitalizations and deaths are lower than in past waves.

    an_roll_laughEven the word delusional is an understatement here. an_roll_laugh

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: The "unawareness" is almost entirely due to deliberate rightwing disinformation and anti-Democrat propaganda. Biden inherited a mess from Trump who destroyed public trust by constantly lying.  Furthermore, anti-science republicans work to sabotage US pandemic response.  They oppose public health guidelines, block funding and promote misinformation which fuels vaccine hesitancy leading to excess deaths and hospitalizations in the US.  But for the most part, Biden administration has put US in a much better position than Trump in 2020.  Now pandemic is becoming endemic as hospitalizations and deaths are lower than in past waves.

    an_roll_laughEven the word delusional is an understatement here. an_roll_laugh

     

     
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    Since the advent of the omicron variant, an ever increasing percentage of the deaths from COVID in the United States have been among the vaccinated. This according to a recent article in the Washington Post, which also included emerging data suggesting that even more so today than previously, the demographic most at risk of death from COVID are the elderly.

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    Since the advent of the omicron variant, an ever increasing percentage of the deaths from COVID in the United States have been among the vaccinated. This according to a recent article in the Washington Post, which also included emerging data suggesting that even more so today than previously, the demographic most at risk of death from COVID are the elderly.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancer89074:

    Since the advent of the omicron variant, an ever increasing percentage of the deaths from COVID in the United States have been among the vaccinated. This according to a recent article in the Washington Post, which also included emerging data suggesting that even more so today than previously, the demographic most at risk of death from COVID are the elderly.

    an_blowhornI've been saying and proving that for two months now.

    And more than 85% of deaths have been ages 65+ since the very beginning of the pandemic. UK study showed smokers over age 69 were twice as likely to die from covid as never smokers of the same age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancer89074:

    Since the advent of the omicron variant, an ever increasing percentage of the deaths from COVID in the United States have been among the vaccinated. This according to a recent article in the Washington Post, which also included emerging data suggesting that even more so today than previously, the demographic most at risk of death from COVID are the elderly.

    an_blowhornI've been saying and proving that for two months now.

    And more than 85% of deaths have been ages 65+ since the very beginning of the pandemic. UK study showed smokers over age 69 were twice as likely to die from covid as never smokers of the same age.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancer89074:

    an ever increasing percentage of the deaths from COVID in the United States have been among the vaccinated.  the demographic most at risk of death from COVID are the elderly.

    In statistics, base rate fallacy (paradox) is the illusion that vaccines are ineffective because in vaccinated population, the majority of covid cases occur among vaccinated people. This doesn't mean vaccines don't work.  US center for disease control's covid data tracker reveals unvaccinated people are 20 times more likely to die from covid than the most boosted in February 2022.

    American academy of pediatrics still recommend vaccines for young people for several reasons.  Covid doesn't have to kill people to wreck their lives.  Healthy immune systems can backfire.  If young people don't get vaccinated, it could leave everyone vulnerable.  Important to protect people unvaccinated and immune compromised.  Vaccines can save people lots of money.  Getting vaccinated helps the economy.

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    an ever increasing percentage of the deaths from COVID in the United States have been among the vaccinated.  the demographic most at risk of death from COVID are the elderly.

    In statistics, base rate fallacy (paradox) is the illusion that vaccines are ineffective because in vaccinated population, the majority of covid cases occur among vaccinated people. This doesn't mean vaccines don't work.  US center for disease control's covid data tracker reveals unvaccinated people are 20 times more likely to die from covid than the most boosted in February 2022.

    American academy of pediatrics still recommend vaccines for young people for several reasons.  Covid doesn't have to kill people to wreck their lives.  Healthy immune systems can backfire.  If young people don't get vaccinated, it could leave everyone vulnerable.  Important to protect people unvaccinated and immune compromised.  Vaccines can save people lots of money.  Getting vaccinated helps the economy.

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