FBI says US Crime Rates are DROPPING under Biden Admin!

I double dog dare you to compare crime in 2023 to crime in 2018, or even 2008. The only reason crime is "down" in 2023 is because it had reached 1990s levels in 2020-2022. Crime is up, comparatively to most of the last two decades. As you said, numbers don't lie.

This is the most ridiculous post in one of the most ridiculous threads that I have ever seen. I dare all of you to do participate in an experiment. Look up the 2023 murder rate for whichever major city is closest to you. Now compare that rate to, say, 2018. Compare it to 2013. Heck, pull up a 20 year table. I then challenge you to say crime is down.

2022, along with 2021 and 2020, were some of the worst years from crime in recent history. 2023 being down compared to 2022 does not mean that crime rates are low. I promise you Biden won't campaign on crime being down, because it is not down.

@StumpTownStu

  Won't happen. Remember, these are the same people that think inflation is low, the border invasion is good, & that Biden is a top 20 potus.

@THEMUGG

 Here's someone whom I know what the closest major city to him is. It's Seattle. Seattle hits close to home as I too live in the PNW. Washington is also the home state of Kelly and Fubah. I don't say this to call them out. As I have said many times, I only retain stuff about people I like. So me mentioning them is simply because I retained that they are from Washington, though both are from the Central and Eastern regions of the state respectively.

I had looked up Seattle, as it is a city I have always loved. Seattle saw record homicides in 2023. A city that went through all the gang violence of the 80s and early 90s like many other cities saw record homicides in 2023.

Let's look at Spokane, which is more of Fubahs neck of the woods, and at least closer to Kelly's home town than Seattle. Spokane had 18 homicides in 2023. It had 6 in 2017. 11 in 2018. Back to 6 in 2019. 18 in 2023. Yep, crime is down.

I can't stress enough that I am not calling out Kelly and Fubah. Again, I simply like them enough to retain where they are from. Just like I know Mugg lives outside of Seattle and Midnight is from New York, his wife is from Michigan, and they live in South Florida.

I moved to the Portland area in 2016. There were 20 homicides in Portland that year. When I was growing up, we would have 20 homicides in our neighborhood. They had 20 for an entire city. Last year they had 73. That's a huge drop from the 101 and 92 they saw in 2022 and 2021 respectfully but way up from 20. Yep, the streets are safe. Why aren't we having a parade to celebrate? Worried it will be shot up?

That parade comment made me think of Kansas City. So I looked them up. They also set an all-time record in 2023 with 183 homicides. This is another city that was hit hard by gang violence in the 80s and early 90s but set an all-time record in 2023. Yep, nothing to see here. Crime is down. The streets are safe.

There are some winners out there too. Detroit's homicides were down, not only compared to 2022, but are the lowest since 1966!

Miami has a shockingly low homicide rate. Granted, there are several satellite cities around Miami that have incredibly high murder rates. And I won't even bother moving north to Jacksonville, which is also a violent, gang infested city. I will simply give Miami it's praise. Miami and Detroit are outliers though. Most cities are either comparatively bad or worse than they were in the 80s and early 90s.

So what you are saying is this thread is criminal in it of itself...and murder was the case that they gave me

Mind you the crime rate is still higher than we would like but good to know the rate is falling!   

San Francisco just arrested 54 in a drug bust....of those, over 30 were fugitives on warrants.....not sure if this better or worse for the Bay...people without their drugs become more unstable...

Shocked that they weren't mostly Hondurans, Nicaraguans, and/or Salvadorans here illegally. That's the majority of what you see out there these days.

It's an election year, they will clean up the streets leading to Nov and once the election is over, it will go back to where it was and get worse. SF is a literal shit hole. Oakland as well. 

 I'm lookin to move to eastern WA just to get away from the I5 corridor......& clouds/rain.

FBI data reveals misperceived reality

Washington — Nationwide homicides have decreased by 13%, according to data released by the FBI Quarterly Crime Report, which exhibits a downward tick in violent crime across the U.S.

In May 2021, the Justice Department launched a violent crime reduction strategy to issue grants to target the United States' gun violence epidemic, the rise of hate crimes and officer shortages in law enforcement agencies nationwide. In November, the Department of Justice announced nearly $217 million in funding for hiring 1,730 entry-level officers at 394 agencies in 48 states through the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services' (COPS) hiring program.

San Francisco as a whole isn't a shit hole. Oakland has goten pretty bad though. It's sad. There was essentially zero homelessness when I was growing up. Now it looks like Mad Max.

*gotten

I agree, SF as a whole isn't a full shit hole, same with Oakland. There are pockets that are great, but there are also pockets that look worse than 3rd world countries. It's pretty sad to see what kind of state these cities have become. Everyone wants to complain about the Oakland A's owners as the reason why the team is moving, but nobody blames the city itself and the leaders. There's a reason why the Warriors left to SF and the Raiders left for Vegas. Nobody wants to visit Oakland. You park at bart for3 hours and your windows are broken. You park in downtown Oakland to get dinner and your window is broken. That city needs to clean itself up before any professional sports team thinks about coming back. I feel Oakland will never have another major sports team again with the trajectory it's going. 

@BigGame90

 You're 100% incorrect. This is actually a subject I know a ton about. Teams leaving Oakland has nothing to do with crime and blight, and everything to do with securing funding for new facilities.

Let's first look at Oakland itself. A blue collar city with a population of just over 400K. When accounting for the uncounted and/or undocumented, both legal and illegal, we could even say closer to 500K. Similarly sized cities are typically the centers of their own metropolitan regions. Portland, Oregon, at over 600K, supports one big four sports team. Kansas City at over 500K supports one. San Antonio at 1.5 million supports one. Seattle, at 750K is the center of an economic super region. And while it now has three teams with the expansion Kraken of the NHL, it still lost it's basketball team to Oklahoma City of all places! OkC, at 700K, has one team. All those cities are centers of metro regions. In the cases of Portland and OKC, etc, they are the metro centers of entire states.

Now let's look at Oakland. At about 450K, Oakland is the third most important city of it's metro area, behind both SF and San Jose. If you acccount for the NorCal super region, it drops to 4th, also behind Sacramento, barely above Stockton. Oakland, as a city, was never meant to support one team. Let alone three. So how did it happen?

As I said before, it has to do with facilities. It built a mid-major city back when manufacturing was still a thing in this city. There were several factories. Dow had headquarters here. Clorox. American Steel, to name a few. And it was, and is, home to a major port. The die was cast for growth. They built the Coliseum Complex to house it's only homegrown team, the Raiders. Then wooed the Philadelphia by way of Kansas City A's, and the recently relocated Philadelphia Warriors, who had been playing in San Francisco. The city reached it's plateau though, and then regressed. The tech boom that rebuilt SF and SJ into it's current iterations skipped Oakland. It became a relic of a bygone era.

Facities though. Now for the payoff. The A's/Raiders and the Warriors were all in dire need of new facilities. The stadium was the oldest in football, and only mixed use facility left in sports. Cities moved to more traditional intimate baseball only facilities. The A's wanted to do this. The city fought them on every propsed location. Some were very good ideas. Then the money dried up. It's is next to impossible to secure a publicly funded sports facility in today's America. They are almost all privately funded. So starting with the Warriors. Warriors games always sold well, even when they sucked. It takes more than that to support an arena though. You have to think about concerts and private events. San Francisco never had a true arena. The Warriors played in the now 120 year old Civic Auditorium, renamed in honor of the great Bill Graham. (Promoter, not evangelist) Ownership decided that if they, along with Chase Bank, were putting up the money, they wanted to make a big splash in a true big city. So with no funding, land provisions, or material help from the city, against the protest of many, they built the Chase Center. And even it hasn't booked events at the rate they thought it would. Now to the other two teams.

Again, most new facilities are privately funded. Mark Davis is one of the most cash poor owners in sports. The team is his wealth. So where someone like a Stan Kroenke can waive a magic wand and built a new stadium in LA. Mark Davis needed help. The NFL will give you 500 million towards a new stadium. Allegiant cost two billion to build. You know which city is made of money, spent the last twenty years as one of the fastest growing, and had zero sports team? Las Vegas/Paradise. They put up record public funding towards that place. Oakland couldn't compete.

The A's were the real heartbreaker. The current ownership wanted to stay in Oakland. They worked hard at securing private funding. They had a whole ad campaign called "Rooted in Oakland". They really tried. In the end, the city wouldn't ok any of their proposed locations and the money wasn't there. This one stings the most, personally. I came home from the hospital in A's gear, even though my dad is a Red Sox fan. He's old school and figured if I was born in Oakland, it only was proper to rep the A's. My wife and I even had season tix before we left California. I gave up on the city and team after years of back and forth between team and city. I went as far as to declare myself a Red Sox fan. Then I saw the artists renderings of the proposed Vegas ballpark and said to my wife, "Well, maybe we'll have to catch a game or two." The renderings look amazing and I wish then well. It was never getting built in Oakland though. Allegiant was never getting built. Nor was the Chase Center. The money doesn't exist.