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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: So, as you can see, I don’t think any of those questions really applied to the topic at hand. It looked like you were just winging it and throwing out all of the reasons most people do about oil. The current problems have little to do with any of those questions. The questions had everything to do with the topic at hand. Not the topic two months ago. The topic Tox bumped this thread with two days ago. The current price of gas and how it relates to the current administration. That is what this entire thread has been about. It started with the hack, the shortage of gas, and how it related to current administration in a "sleep at the wheel" kind of way. I agreed with everything tox was saying at the beginning so the most I said on the subject was the fake news comment and the winking emoji. When the hack story first broke, the media try to put a "There's nothing to see here. There's no shortage." spin on things. I was poking fun at this with Tox. That is the rapport I have with him. We have a dynamic that started in debate and contention, that is now understanding, and i'd like to think camaraderie. We on more than what we disagree. And i'll often bust his balls with comments like, "You're just saying that because you're a racist." and then the winking emoji to show that I am being facetious. And that I actually agree. That was my stance two months ago i agreed with what he was saying, two months ago. With what he said two days ago, placing the blame for the current gas hikes on the sitting administration, I do not agree. You like to talk about the false perceptions people get from the media. Maybe this was directed at me, which would be comical as I am nearly completely shut off from media. No social media, no cable news, rarely the network news. I used to read several papers a day. I don't anymore. I watch the local news at 11pm. Just enough to be aware of a potential wildfire or something. Real, pertinent news. Frankly, my response was about media driven misconceptions. Like the fact that people believe there was a pipeline called Keystone XL that was pumping away with American black gold. That Biden shut down this pipeline so that we would have to rely on foreign oil instead of that American Keystone oil. Now obviously there are several things wrong with that narrative but this is what people believe. Not necessarily Brother Tox, who is usually pretty well informed, but it's the notion that many subscribe to. And it is notions like that I was calling bullshit on. Why are gas prices high? Is it because if increased summer demand? Is it because of legitimate shortages? Is is because of market planned limits of production? Is it because of logistical issues like trucking? Surely it's, to some extent, all of the above. Is it because Biden stopped construction on a new leg of the Keystone pipeline system? Not so much. As i've said, as a speculative effect, maybe. Not as a direct causation way though. Nor are the prices because he ceased issuing new drilling permits on public lands. That's the narrative that's pushed though.
Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: So, as you can see, I don’t think any of those questions really applied to the topic at hand. It looked like you were just winging it and throwing out all of the reasons most people do about oil. The current problems have little to do with any of those questions. The questions had everything to do with the topic at hand. Not the topic two months ago. The topic Tox bumped this thread with two days ago. The current price of gas and how it relates to the current administration. That is what this entire thread has been about. It started with the hack, the shortage of gas, and how it related to current administration in a "sleep at the wheel" kind of way. I agreed with everything tox was saying at the beginning so the most I said on the subject was the fake news comment and the winking emoji. When the hack story first broke, the media try to put a "There's nothing to see here. There's no shortage." spin on things. I was poking fun at this with Tox. That is the rapport I have with him. We have a dynamic that started in debate and contention, that is now understanding, and i'd like to think camaraderie. We on more than what we disagree. And i'll often bust his balls with comments like, "You're just saying that because you're a racist." and then the winking emoji to show that I am being facetious. And that I actually agree. That was my stance two months ago i agreed with what he was saying, two months ago. With what he said two days ago, placing the blame for the current gas hikes on the sitting administration, I do not agree. You like to talk about the false perceptions people get from the media. Maybe this was directed at me, which would be comical as I am nearly completely shut off from media. No social media, no cable news, rarely the network news. I used to read several papers a day. I don't anymore. I watch the local news at 11pm. Just enough to be aware of a potential wildfire or something. Real, pertinent news. Frankly, my response was about media driven misconceptions. Like the fact that people believe there was a pipeline called Keystone XL that was pumping away with American black gold. That Biden shut down this pipeline so that we would have to rely on foreign oil instead of that American Keystone oil. Now obviously there are several things wrong with that narrative but this is what people believe. Not necessarily Brother Tox, who is usually pretty well informed, but it's the notion that many subscribe to. And it is notions like that I was calling bullshit on. Why are gas prices high? Is it because if increased summer demand? Is it because of legitimate shortages? Is is because of market planned limits of production? Is it because of logistical issues like trucking? Surely it's, to some extent, all of the above. Is it because Biden stopped construction on a new leg of the Keystone pipeline system? Not so much. As i've said, as a speculative effect, maybe. Not as a direct causation way though. Nor are the prices because he ceased issuing new drilling permits on public lands. That's the narrative that's pushed though.
I would agree with most of that. It certainly did not seem that way from your original posts.
But, if that is the way you feel — then we are mostly on the same page.
It is just when you started talking about greed and contrived crises and manipulation — where we parted.
Yes, a lot of it is perception. Like I said, maybe both of you were partly right. Because there are lots of factors and one of them is anticipation of political decisions. So, cannot dismiss this entirely and say oil makes up or uses everything just to increase prices. That is when I pointed out how alert and anticipatory they have to be because of there margins, etc.
But the hack was real and the transport issue was real.
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