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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2022 - 9:44 PM ET #51

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: @kcblitzkrieg  To libs, free speech = hate speech.

     

    Naw, bro,  I think hate speech is hate speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: @kcblitzkrieg  To libs, free speech = hate speech.

     

    Naw, bro,  I think hate speech is hate speech.

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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2022 - 12:10 AM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: @kcblitzkrieg  To libs, free speech = hate speech. Naw, bro, I think hate speech is hate speech.Sure, but some people classify anything that opposes their POV as hate speech, too. Studies show that "real" hate speech on Twitter has actually gone down since Musk took over, despite what lefties want to claim.

    Which studies? Don't get me wrong, I'm not one to say this is one of the most pressing issues in today's world. And after seeing some numbers posted in this thread, my first thought was, "Is that all?" The occurrences were a lot less than I would've guessed. With that said, the internet is filled with some really vile shit. Racism, homophobia, etc. It used to be all over even this site back in the day, and still is at times. With that said though, if you're saying "real" hate speech has gone down since Elon took over then I'd be real curious about the sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: @kcblitzkrieg  To libs, free speech = hate speech. Naw, bro, I think hate speech is hate speech.Sure, but some people classify anything that opposes their POV as hate speech, too. Studies show that "real" hate speech on Twitter has actually gone down since Musk took over, despite what lefties want to claim.

    Which studies? Don't get me wrong, I'm not one to say this is one of the most pressing issues in today's world. And after seeing some numbers posted in this thread, my first thought was, "Is that all?" The occurrences were a lot less than I would've guessed. With that said, the internet is filled with some really vile shit. Racism, homophobia, etc. It used to be all over even this site back in the day, and still is at times. With that said though, if you're saying "real" hate speech has gone down since Elon took over then I'd be real curious about the sources.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2022 - 1:44 AM ET #53

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     Oh, the same studies that Thirdmember always references with no reference. an_wink

     Actually, it was charted but since I don't have a Barron's acct. I can't access it. So here's a blurp:

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    Elon Musk said Friday that hate speech impressions on Twitter declined through the end of November, but groups studying the use of hateful language on the internet remain alarmed.

    Musk shared a chart that appeared to show hate speech impressions, which he described as the number of times the tweets were viewed, dropped through the end of November.

     People "claim" a lot of things. Hate speech is real, but how it's defined seems to vary from person to person. I wouldn't claim hate speech over a disagreement........but others will.

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     Oh, the same studies that Thirdmember always references with no reference. an_wink

     Actually, it was charted but since I don't have a Barron's acct. I can't access it. So here's a blurp:

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    Elon Musk said Friday that hate speech impressions on Twitter declined through the end of November, but groups studying the use of hateful language on the internet remain alarmed.

    Musk shared a chart that appeared to show hate speech impressions, which he described as the number of times the tweets were viewed, dropped through the end of November.

     People "claim" a lot of things. Hate speech is real, but how it's defined seems to vary from person to person. I wouldn't claim hate speech over a disagreement........but others will.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2022 - 2:14 AM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    @StumpTownStu    Oh, the same studies that Thirdmember always references with no reference.  Actually, it was charted but since I don't have a Barron's acct. I can't access it. So here's a blurp:  " Elon Musk said Friday that hate speech impressions on Twitter declined through the end of November, but groups studying the use of hateful language on the internet remain alarmed.

    Musk shared a chart that appeared to show hate speech impressions, which he described as the number of times the tweets were viewed, dropped through the end of November.  People "claim" a lot of things. Hate speech is real, but how it's defined seems to vary from person to person. I wouldn't claim hate speech over a disagreement........but others will.

     

    WOW!  new_jaw_drop      Just WOW!!

    Musk is choosing to define hate speech in a bonkers way that scores the number of times the vile, disgusting "hate speech" is viewed - and the op here is using that alleged "study" as valid evidence that, let me get this quote right,

    "real hate speech on Twitter has actually gone down since Musk took over, despite what lefties want to claim." confused

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    @StumpTownStu    Oh, the same studies that Thirdmember always references with no reference.  Actually, it was charted but since I don't have a Barron's acct. I can't access it. So here's a blurp:  " Elon Musk said Friday that hate speech impressions on Twitter declined through the end of November, but groups studying the use of hateful language on the internet remain alarmed.

    Musk shared a chart that appeared to show hate speech impressions, which he described as the number of times the tweets were viewed, dropped through the end of November.  People "claim" a lot of things. Hate speech is real, but how it's defined seems to vary from person to person. I wouldn't claim hate speech over a disagreement........but others will.

     

    WOW!  new_jaw_drop      Just WOW!!

    Musk is choosing to define hate speech in a bonkers way that scores the number of times the vile, disgusting "hate speech" is viewed - and the op here is using that alleged "study" as valid evidence that, let me get this quote right,

    "real hate speech on Twitter has actually gone down since Musk took over, despite what lefties want to claim." confused

     

     

     

     
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    Musk's claims about a fall in hate speech doesn't stand up to scrutiny.  Increases in hate and disinformation have been confirmed by University of Michigan, Tufts university, Anti-defamation league and Center for countering digital hate.  European union has pressed Musk to comply with Digital services act that require social platforms to reduce online harm or face penalties.  As expected after massive layoffs, twitter no longer has enough employees to enforce content moderation policies.  90% of twitter revenue comes from advertising.  Despite Musk reassurances, advertisers lost confidence and almost half of them left twitter.

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    Musk's claims about a fall in hate speech doesn't stand up to scrutiny.  Increases in hate and disinformation have been confirmed by University of Michigan, Tufts university, Anti-defamation league and Center for countering digital hate.  European union has pressed Musk to comply with Digital services act that require social platforms to reduce online harm or face penalties.  As expected after massive layoffs, twitter no longer has enough employees to enforce content moderation policies.  90% of twitter revenue comes from advertising.  Despite Musk reassurances, advertisers lost confidence and almost half of them left twitter.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2022 - 9:10 AM ET #56

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    @StumpTownStu    Oh, the same studies that Thirdmember always references with no reference.  Actually, it was charted but since I don't have a Barron's acct. I can't access it. So here's a blurp:  " Elon Musk said Friday that hate speech impressions on Twitter declined through the end of November, but groups studying the use of hateful language on the internet remain alarmed. Musk shared a chart that appeared to show hate speech impressions, which he described as the number of times the tweets were viewed, dropped through the end of November.  People "claim" a lot of things. Hate speech is real, but how it's defined seems to vary from person to person. I wouldn't claim hate speech over a disagreement........but others will.

    Who are these "others"? I go back to my original post. Hate speech is hate speech. If people are posting such and such about f@gs and queers, this about nigg3rs, that about joos, that's hate speech. Has nothing to do with a disagreement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    @StumpTownStu    Oh, the same studies that Thirdmember always references with no reference.  Actually, it was charted but since I don't have a Barron's acct. I can't access it. So here's a blurp:  " Elon Musk said Friday that hate speech impressions on Twitter declined through the end of November, but groups studying the use of hateful language on the internet remain alarmed. Musk shared a chart that appeared to show hate speech impressions, which he described as the number of times the tweets were viewed, dropped through the end of November.  People "claim" a lot of things. Hate speech is real, but how it's defined seems to vary from person to person. I wouldn't claim hate speech over a disagreement........but others will.

    Who are these "others"? I go back to my original post. Hate speech is hate speech. If people are posting such and such about f@gs and queers, this about nigg3rs, that about joos, that's hate speech. Has nothing to do with a disagreement.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2022 - 9:25 AM ET #57

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     For example, if I were to say something like, "I don't believe there is a such thing as a "trans" person. I believe a man is man, a woman is a woman." some would view it as hate speech but it would just be an opinion.

    Now if I were instead to say, "Trans people are vile. They are an abomination," that would be hate speech. Who would I (hypothetical, these aren't my views) to make such assertions? It would still just be opinion but it goes past that to the point of vilifying. It becomes aggressive. Such views foment hate in others. It perpetuates it. If I said something like, "All joos deserve gas showers," is that not hate speech? It would just be an opinion but is it not hate speech? Should such things go completely unregulated?

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     For example, if I were to say something like, "I don't believe there is a such thing as a "trans" person. I believe a man is man, a woman is a woman." some would view it as hate speech but it would just be an opinion.

    Now if I were instead to say, "Trans people are vile. They are an abomination," that would be hate speech. Who would I (hypothetical, these aren't my views) to make such assertions? It would still just be opinion but it goes past that to the point of vilifying. It becomes aggressive. Such views foment hate in others. It perpetuates it. If I said something like, "All joos deserve gas showers," is that not hate speech? It would just be an opinion but is it not hate speech? Should such things go completely unregulated?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2022 - 10:13 AM ET #58

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     Again, facts are hard to come by for some of you..... there is this source, it's called "Twitter", where you can go "search" for whatever you are wanting to find....

     

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1598752139278532610

     

    What you are trying to describe is "hate speech" mentions....they are referred to as "hate speech impressions", which is the number of times a user chooses to "click on and view" any said "impression", or in this case, "comment or mentions".  

    So when "impressions are down" this means the number of times USERS ARE CHOOSING TO CLICK ON / READ SOMETHING.  So the "number of users choosing to read, comment, or like a hateful message/statement/etc is what this measuring as DOWN".  

    You can check on these here if you would like, they update stats weekly, or you can continue to make up fake information and try to frame it to your narrative...  

    https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety

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     Again, facts are hard to come by for some of you..... there is this source, it's called "Twitter", where you can go "search" for whatever you are wanting to find....

     

    https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1598752139278532610

     

    What you are trying to describe is "hate speech" mentions....they are referred to as "hate speech impressions", which is the number of times a user chooses to "click on and view" any said "impression", or in this case, "comment or mentions".  

    So when "impressions are down" this means the number of times USERS ARE CHOOSING TO CLICK ON / READ SOMETHING.  So the "number of users choosing to read, comment, or like a hateful message/statement/etc is what this measuring as DOWN".  

    You can check on these here if you would like, they update stats weekly, or you can continue to make up fake information and try to frame it to your narrative...  

    https://twitter.com/TwitterSafety

     
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    Hate speech is way down since the Musk takeover.  

     

    Media spreading more misinformation.  Remember when they said the vaccines stop the spread of covid?.  All the media do is lie.  

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    Hate speech is way down since the Musk takeover.  

     

    Media spreading more misinformation.  Remember when they said the vaccines stop the spread of covid?.  All the media do is lie.  

     
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    Hate speech impressions (# of times tweet was viewed) continue to decline, despite significant user growth!

    will publish data weekly. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of reach. Negativity should & will get less reach than positivity.

     

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    Hate speech impressions (# of times tweet was viewed) continue to decline, despite significant user growth!

    will publish data weekly. Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom of reach. Negativity should & will get less reach than positivity.

     

     
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    Hate speech is anything democrats don't agree with.  

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    Hate speech is anything democrats don't agree with.  

     
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    The ignorant comments from the clown show gallery make it easy to see who the BOOMERs are who have never stepped foot on twitter....  

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    @THEMUGG  For example, if I were to say something like, "I don't believe there is a such thing as a "trans" person. I believe a man is man, a woman is a woman." some would view it as hate speech but it would just be an opinion. Now if I were instead to say, "Trans people are vile. They are an abomination," that would be hate speech. Who would I (hypothetical, these aren't my views) to make such assertions? It would still just be opinion but it goes past that to the point of vilifying. It becomes aggressive. Such views foment hate in others. It perpetuates it. If I said something like, "All joos deserve gas showers," is that not hate speech? It would just be an opinion but is it not hate speech? Should such things go completely unregulated?

     

    This is a good example here STU....  what the "hateful impressions" is measuring would be how many users would click on that hateful comment & opinion of the vileness of a certain person or group of people.  It is measuring the "clicks" and "likes" on such a comment.  The DATA is clearly showing that these "clicks" and "likes" of such are diminishing with less than .1% of the BILLIONS of these "impressions" daily.  

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    The ignorant comments from the clown show gallery make it easy to see who the BOOMERs are who have never stepped foot on twitter....  

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    @THEMUGG  For example, if I were to say something like, "I don't believe there is a such thing as a "trans" person. I believe a man is man, a woman is a woman." some would view it as hate speech but it would just be an opinion. Now if I were instead to say, "Trans people are vile. They are an abomination," that would be hate speech. Who would I (hypothetical, these aren't my views) to make such assertions? It would still just be opinion but it goes past that to the point of vilifying. It becomes aggressive. Such views foment hate in others. It perpetuates it. If I said something like, "All joos deserve gas showers," is that not hate speech? It would just be an opinion but is it not hate speech? Should such things go completely unregulated?

     

    This is a good example here STU....  what the "hateful impressions" is measuring would be how many users would click on that hateful comment & opinion of the vileness of a certain person or group of people.  It is measuring the "clicks" and "likes" on such a comment.  The DATA is clearly showing that these "clicks" and "likes" of such are diminishing with less than .1% of the BILLIONS of these "impressions" daily.  

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2022 - 5:05 PM ET #63

    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

     

     

    WOW!  new_jaw_drop      Just WOW!!

    Musk is choosing to define hate speech in a bonkers way that scores the number of times the vile, disgusting "hate speech" is viewed - and the op here is using that alleged "study" as valid evidence that, let me get this quote right,

    "real hate speech on Twitter has actually gone down since Musk took over, despite what lefties want to claim." confused

    Un-freaking-believable  surprised 

    Hate speech on Twitter has increased since Muskrat took over - but he thinks that because good users are REFUSING to actually view and/or retweet the increased hate speech, then to him, that means hate speech has gone down.

    Normally, anyone who used logic like that would be known throughout the world as a MORON.

    But Muskrat is no moron.  Therefore he is deliberately using this tactic for some nefarious purposes, possibly fraudulent in nature, to deceive advertisers and/or potential advertisers - given that he has lost nearly half of them due to his policies relaxing content moderation.

    We shall see.

    Still, counting the number of views/retweets (which he labels "hate speech impressions")  as a measure that the actual hate speech itself has gone down under his tenure is deceitful at best and moronic for those who espouse the same BS.

     

     

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    WOW!  new_jaw_drop      Just WOW!!

    Musk is choosing to define hate speech in a bonkers way that scores the number of times the vile, disgusting "hate speech" is viewed - and the op here is using that alleged "study" as valid evidence that, let me get this quote right,

    "real hate speech on Twitter has actually gone down since Musk took over, despite what lefties want to claim." confused

    Un-freaking-believable  surprised 

    Hate speech on Twitter has increased since Muskrat took over - but he thinks that because good users are REFUSING to actually view and/or retweet the increased hate speech, then to him, that means hate speech has gone down.

    Normally, anyone who used logic like that would be known throughout the world as a MORON.

    But Muskrat is no moron.  Therefore he is deliberately using this tactic for some nefarious purposes, possibly fraudulent in nature, to deceive advertisers and/or potential advertisers - given that he has lost nearly half of them due to his policies relaxing content moderation.

    We shall see.

    Still, counting the number of views/retweets (which he labels "hate speech impressions")  as a measure that the actual hate speech itself has gone down under his tenure is deceitful at best and moronic for those who espouse the same BS.

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Before Elon Musk bought Twitter, slurs against Black Americans showed up on the social media service an average of 1,282 times a day.

    an_lightAfter the billionaire became Twitter’s owner, they jumped to 3,876 times a day.

     

    Slurs against gay men appeared on Twitter 2,506 times a day on average before Mr. Musk took over.

    an_lightAfterward, their use rose to 3,964 times a day.*

    *https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/technology/twitter-hate-speech.html

    Seems pretty clear.....Counting the actual posted hate speech; not the totally ridiculous measure of counting how often people are REFUSING to view that increasing hate trash

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Before Elon Musk bought Twitter, slurs against Black Americans showed up on the social media service an average of 1,282 times a day.

    an_lightAfter the billionaire became Twitter’s owner, they jumped to 3,876 times a day.

     

    Slurs against gay men appeared on Twitter 2,506 times a day on average before Mr. Musk took over.

    an_lightAfterward, their use rose to 3,964 times a day.*

    *https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/technology/twitter-hate-speech.html

    Seems pretty clear.....Counting the actual posted hate speech; not the totally ridiculous measure of counting how often people are REFUSING to view that increasing hate trash

     

     
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    I know FACTS get lost in the fake narratives spun around here by the resident clown show BUT, it may be important to note, the same "ridiculous measurements" being used now to monitor "hate speech" ARE THE SAME as the previous Twitter regime used as measures.  

    Hard to swallow FACTS but I'm sure some of you sub 100 IQ posers can choke on that TRUTH.   

     

     

     

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    I know FACTS get lost in the fake narratives spun around here by the resident clown show BUT, it may be important to note, the same "ridiculous measurements" being used now to monitor "hate speech" ARE THE SAME as the previous Twitter regime used as measures.  

    Hard to swallow FACTS but I'm sure some of you sub 100 IQ posers can choke on that TRUTH.   

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2022 - 5:26 PM ET #66

    Three Senior Members of Twitter's "Trust & Safety Council" resigned yesterday in protest of Elon Musk. 

    These same three senior members were directly responsible for allowing continued sexual exploitation of children & minors on the Twitter platform.  

    Musk has made it the first mission of TWITTER SAFETY to CRACK DOWN ON THE PREVIOUSLY UN-MONITORED CHILD / MINOR EXPOITATION.

    Very SAD, DISGUSTING & VILE to see so many Covers clowns GOING AGAINST the exploitation of children on Twitter's platform. 

    This tells you all you need to know about the users here calling out Muskrat and the NEW TWITTER.... I wouldn't want any of those pedophilia Covers Users around my children, that's for sure....  AT LEAST WE NOW KNOW WHERE THE FAKE OUTRAGE AT the Muskrat is coming from.... these sick individuals are MAD that their child exploitation platform is now being properly policed.  So SAD.  So SICK.  

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    Three Senior Members of Twitter's "Trust & Safety Council" resigned yesterday in protest of Elon Musk. 

    These same three senior members were directly responsible for allowing continued sexual exploitation of children & minors on the Twitter platform.  

    Musk has made it the first mission of TWITTER SAFETY to CRACK DOWN ON THE PREVIOUSLY UN-MONITORED CHILD / MINOR EXPOITATION.

    Very SAD, DISGUSTING & VILE to see so many Covers clowns GOING AGAINST the exploitation of children on Twitter's platform. 

    This tells you all you need to know about the users here calling out Muskrat and the NEW TWITTER.... I wouldn't want any of those pedophilia Covers Users around my children, that's for sure....  AT LEAST WE NOW KNOW WHERE THE FAKE OUTRAGE AT the Muskrat is coming from.... these sick individuals are MAD that their child exploitation platform is now being properly policed.  So SAD.  So SICK.  

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2022 - 5:34 PM ET #67

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    Un-freaking-believable  surprised 

    Hate speech on Twitter has increased since Muskrat took over - but he thinks that because good users are REFUSING to actually view and/or retweet the increased hate speech, then to him, that means hate speech has gone down.

    Normally, anyone who used logic like that would be known throughout the world as a MORON.

    But Muskrat is no moron.  Therefore he is deliberately using this tactic for some nefarious purposes, possibly fraudulent in nature, to deceive advertisers and/or potential advertisers - given that he has lost nearly half of them due to his policies relaxing content moderation.

    We shall see.

    Still, counting the number of views/retweets (which he labels "hate speech impressions")  as a measure that the actual hate speech itself has gone down under his tenure is deceitful at best and moronic for those who espouse the same BS.

    amazing  !  

    twitter counts the number of times hate speech is viewed  as the measure of whether hate speech in and of itself has increased or not confused   wtf ??????

    how fuckindumb !!! 

    people not employed by twitter point to an obvious rise in the use of hate speech all over twitter but the new owner who invested $43 BILLION to buy it and subsequently lost half his advertisers wants us to believe that by using his stupidass means of scoring he declares hate speech is actually down and by obvious implication its safe for advertisers to return

    lie   lie   lie   lie   lie

     

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    Un-freaking-believable  surprised 

    Hate speech on Twitter has increased since Muskrat took over - but he thinks that because good users are REFUSING to actually view and/or retweet the increased hate speech, then to him, that means hate speech has gone down.

    Normally, anyone who used logic like that would be known throughout the world as a MORON.

    But Muskrat is no moron.  Therefore he is deliberately using this tactic for some nefarious purposes, possibly fraudulent in nature, to deceive advertisers and/or potential advertisers - given that he has lost nearly half of them due to his policies relaxing content moderation.

    We shall see.

    Still, counting the number of views/retweets (which he labels "hate speech impressions")  as a measure that the actual hate speech itself has gone down under his tenure is deceitful at best and moronic for those who espouse the same BS.

    amazing  !  

    twitter counts the number of times hate speech is viewed  as the measure of whether hate speech in and of itself has increased or not confused   wtf ??????

    how fuckindumb !!! 

    people not employed by twitter point to an obvious rise in the use of hate speech all over twitter but the new owner who invested $43 BILLION to buy it and subsequently lost half his advertisers wants us to believe that by using his stupidass means of scoring he declares hate speech is actually down and by obvious implication its safe for advertisers to return

    lie   lie   lie   lie   lie

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: @StumpTownStu    Oh, the same studies that Thirdmember always references with no reference.  Actually, it was charted but since I don't have a Barron's acct. I can't access it. So here's a blurp:  " Elon Musk said Friday that hate speech impressions on Twitter declined through the end of November, but groups studying the use of hateful language on the internet remain alarmed. Musk shared a chart that appeared to show hate speech impressions, which he described as the number of times the tweets were viewed, dropped through the end of November.  People "claim" a lot of things. Hate speech is real, but how it's defined seems to vary from person to person. I wouldn't claim hate speech over a disagreement........but others will. Who are these "others"? I go back to my original post. Hate speech is hate speech. If people are posting such and such about f@gs and queers, this about nigg3rs, that about joos, that's hate speech. Has nothing to do with a disagreement.
    I agree, but my point is there are those that will escalate disagreements to the point of personal attacks. We see it here all the time. Is this a form of hate speech? Most would say "no", (depending on how personal those attacks became),but "others" would "claim" that it is. I read your proceeding post........is it enough to say "I know hate speech when I see it"? Everyone has their own opinion as to where the line is. Remember way back when Polack jokes were common? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: @StumpTownStu    Oh, the same studies that Thirdmember always references with no reference.  Actually, it was charted but since I don't have a Barron's acct. I can't access it. So here's a blurp:  " Elon Musk said Friday that hate speech impressions on Twitter declined through the end of November, but groups studying the use of hateful language on the internet remain alarmed. Musk shared a chart that appeared to show hate speech impressions, which he described as the number of times the tweets were viewed, dropped through the end of November.  People "claim" a lot of things. Hate speech is real, but how it's defined seems to vary from person to person. I wouldn't claim hate speech over a disagreement........but others will. Who are these "others"? I go back to my original post. Hate speech is hate speech. If people are posting such and such about f@gs and queers, this about nigg3rs, that about joos, that's hate speech. Has nothing to do with a disagreement.
    I agree, but my point is there are those that will escalate disagreements to the point of personal attacks. We see it here all the time. Is this a form of hate speech? Most would say "no", (depending on how personal those attacks became),but "others" would "claim" that it is. I read your proceeding post........is it enough to say "I know hate speech when I see it"? Everyone has their own opinion as to where the line is. Remember way back when Polack jokes were common? 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:  I go back to my original post. Hate speech is hate speech. If people are posting such and such about f@gs and queers, this about nigg3rs, that about joos, that's hate speech. Has nothing to do with a disagreement.

     

    I agree, but my point is there are those that will escalate disagreements to the point of personal attacks. We see it here all the time.

    Ya, sadly, and ya, on both sides, but one side is clearly "much worse" than the other:

    Quote:

    "@BigGame90...to be honest your side is much worse at offending people on a very regular basis ..."

    - forum moderator, Wallstreetcappers, Dec 7, post #26, in FTX CEO thread

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:  I go back to my original post. Hate speech is hate speech. If people are posting such and such about f@gs and queers, this about nigg3rs, that about joos, that's hate speech. Has nothing to do with a disagreement.

     

    I agree, but my point is there are those that will escalate disagreements to the point of personal attacks. We see it here all the time.

    Ya, sadly, and ya, on both sides, but one side is clearly "much worse" than the other:

    Quote:

    "@BigGame90...to be honest your side is much worse at offending people on a very regular basis ..."

    - forum moderator, Wallstreetcappers, Dec 7, post #26, in FTX CEO thread

     

     
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    @StumpTownStu

      Let me give an example, if I may. Politicians are targets of everyone, obviously. We all hold disdain for many of them.

     If I say "Joe Biden is a dolt", I'll get all sorts of flack from the left, such as "you're an idiot", or "but, but Trump", etc.

     However, if I say "Maxine Waters is a dolt", the responses now become "you're a racist!", or "you're a misogynist!".

     Have I engaged in hate speech? Some would say "yes", when all I did was give an opinion of two different politicians. 

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      Let me give an example, if I may. Politicians are targets of everyone, obviously. We all hold disdain for many of them.

     If I say "Joe Biden is a dolt", I'll get all sorts of flack from the left, such as "you're an idiot", or "but, but Trump", etc.

     However, if I say "Maxine Waters is a dolt", the responses now become "you're a racist!", or "you're a misogynist!".

     Have I engaged in hate speech? Some would say "yes", when all I did was give an opinion of two different politicians. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Musk's claims about a fall in hate speech doesn't stand up to scrutiny. 

    Increases in hate and disinformation have been confirmed by

    University of Michigan,

    Tufts University,

    Anti-Defamation league

    and Center for Countering Digital Hate. 

    Thanks for posting the evidence Thirdperson peace_5

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Musk's claims about a fall in hate speech doesn't stand up to scrutiny. 

    Increases in hate and disinformation have been confirmed by

    University of Michigan,

    Tufts University,

    Anti-Defamation league

    and Center for Countering Digital Hate. 

    Thanks for posting the evidence Thirdperson peace_5

     

     

     
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    Nowadays everything is either hate speech or racist if someone disagrees.  There was a time people had thick skin.

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    Nowadays everything is either hate speech or racist if someone disagrees.  There was a time people had thick skin.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Nowadays everything is either hate speech or racist if someone disagrees.  There was a time people had thick skin.

    False.  I am disagreeing with YOU right now.  Is that "hate speech"  or racism?   Hardly.   Nobody here is saying it is and nobody will.  It would be stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Nowadays everything is either hate speech or racist if someone disagrees.  There was a time people had thick skin.

    False.  I am disagreeing with YOU right now.  Is that "hate speech"  or racism?   Hardly.   Nobody here is saying it is and nobody will.  It would be stupid.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2022 - 6:39 PM ET #74

    Both schools are liberal, both agencies democratic weapons... so of course !!!

     

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    Both schools are liberal, both agencies democratic weapons... so of course !!!

     

     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2022 - 6:42 PM ET #75

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Both schools are liberal, both agencies democratic weapons... so of course !!!

    THAT is bigotry -  a form of "hate speech"

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    Both schools are liberal, both agencies democratic weapons... so of course !!!

    THAT is bigotry -  a form of "hate speech"

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