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    Midnight1
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    Posted: May. 27, 2022 - 6:22 PM ET #1

    This is just pathetic. They have Trump trying to pronounce and read the names of the dead children while the NRA rings a bell. Disgusting. He's absolutely destroying the names.

    The consistent theme from every speaker at the NRA convention was that Democrats want to confiscate all guns in America. They never mentioned assault weapons, AR-15s or other proposals. It’s just liberals want to take your guns and leave you defenseless against criminals.

    NC Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson on gun restrictions: “It is not going to happen! It’s time for the law abiding patriots in this nation to stand up and say, hell no!’ We will not go, and you will not take them!”

    At the NRA convention, Ted Cruz says the solution to school shootings is to fortify them by installing bulletproof doors and locking classroom doors in every school. This dope doesn't realize the door was locked & couldn't be opened until someone found the key. Ted went on to say the reasons for mass shootings are absent fathers, declining church attendance, social media, and video games.

    Kristi Noem at the NRA convention says we shouldn’t have gun control because of dangerous leftist protesters: “Woke mobs are tearing down statues .. our Founding Fathers, Catholic missionaries. They even wanted to come after Mt. Rushmore. Not on my watch!”

    Executive Director of NRA defiantly says they will continue to oppose all gun control measures: “We’re gonna take this message to Congress, the voters, and ballot boxes all across the country this November.”

    Wayne LaPierre says the way to stop school shootings is to spend more money on law enforcement. 

    This is one of the reasons why we don't make progress on solving this national problem.

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    This is just pathetic. They have Trump trying to pronounce and read the names of the dead children while the NRA rings a bell. Disgusting. He's absolutely destroying the names.

    The consistent theme from every speaker at the NRA convention was that Democrats want to confiscate all guns in America. They never mentioned assault weapons, AR-15s or other proposals. It’s just liberals want to take your guns and leave you defenseless against criminals.

    NC Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson on gun restrictions: “It is not going to happen! It’s time for the law abiding patriots in this nation to stand up and say, hell no!’ We will not go, and you will not take them!”

    At the NRA convention, Ted Cruz says the solution to school shootings is to fortify them by installing bulletproof doors and locking classroom doors in every school. This dope doesn't realize the door was locked & couldn't be opened until someone found the key. Ted went on to say the reasons for mass shootings are absent fathers, declining church attendance, social media, and video games.

    Kristi Noem at the NRA convention says we shouldn’t have gun control because of dangerous leftist protesters: “Woke mobs are tearing down statues .. our Founding Fathers, Catholic missionaries. They even wanted to come after Mt. Rushmore. Not on my watch!”

    Executive Director of NRA defiantly says they will continue to oppose all gun control measures: “We’re gonna take this message to Congress, the voters, and ballot boxes all across the country this November.”

    Wayne LaPierre says the way to stop school shootings is to spend more money on law enforcement. 

    This is one of the reasons why we don't make progress on solving this national problem.

     
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    Posted: May. 27, 2022 - 7:50 PM ET #2

    Bang bang!    Bunch of pussies

     

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    Bang bang!    Bunch of pussies

     

     
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    Posted: May. 27, 2022 - 8:07 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    This is just pathetic. They have Trump trying to pronounce and read the names of the dead children while the NRA rings a bell. Disgusting. He's absolutely destroying the names.

    chump is a gaffe machine    always has been       he couldnt even pronounce the name of his own fraud & lie social app   called it like   "troath  sintial "

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    This is just pathetic. They have Trump trying to pronounce and read the names of the dead children while the NRA rings a bell. Disgusting. He's absolutely destroying the names.

    chump is a gaffe machine    always has been       he couldnt even pronounce the name of his own fraud & lie social app   called it like   "troath  sintial "

     
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    Posted: May. 27, 2022 - 10:56 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    It’s just liberals want to take your guns and leave you defenseless against criminals.  This is one of the reasons why we don't make progress on solving this national problem.

    National rifle association blames everything for gun violence except for guns.  But gun control is the most significant reason why other countries have been more successful in reducing violent crimes.  If guns are so safe, hypocritical NRA wouldn't need to ban guns at their conference.  According to Scientific American magazine, many studies show more guns don't make Americans safer or stop more crimes.  Contrary to hype, unintended consequences often happen when people have guns at home for self defense.  Risks of accidental shootings, homicides, assaults and suicides are far more common than rare gun uses for self defense. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    It’s just liberals want to take your guns and leave you defenseless against criminals.  This is one of the reasons why we don't make progress on solving this national problem.

    National rifle association blames everything for gun violence except for guns.  But gun control is the most significant reason why other countries have been more successful in reducing violent crimes.  If guns are so safe, hypocritical NRA wouldn't need to ban guns at their conference.  According to Scientific American magazine, many studies show more guns don't make Americans safer or stop more crimes.  Contrary to hype, unintended consequences often happen when people have guns at home for self defense.  Risks of accidental shootings, homicides, assaults and suicides are far more common than rare gun uses for self defense. 

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 2:06 AM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: It’s just liberals want to take your guns and leave you defenseless against criminals.  This is one of the reasons why we don't make progress on solving this national problem. National rifle association blames everything for gun violence except for guns.  But gun control is the most significant reason why other countries have been more successful in reducing violent crimes.  If guns are so safe, hypocritical NRA wouldn't need to ban guns at their conference.  According to Scientific American magazine, many studies show more guns don't make Americans safer or stop more crimes.  Contrary to hype, unintended consequences often happen when people have guns at home for self defense.  Risks of accidental shootings, homicides, assaults and suicides are far more common than rare gun uses for self defense.

    Mass shooting very rarely happens in other countries, less guns means less firearm massacres. Especially, the weapon of war, like assault rifles plus high-capacity magazine or unlimited rounds of magazine surely causes mass destruction of lives in short period of time. 18 year old Uvalde shooter owned two AR15 type assault rifles and seven 30 round magazines.

    Ironically, Texas attorney general Ken Paxton suggests a female elementary teacher armed with a handgun to counter this kind of shooter while 19 cops hold up for 45 minutes in school hallway and do nothing? Hello, reckless.    

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: It’s just liberals want to take your guns and leave you defenseless against criminals.  This is one of the reasons why we don't make progress on solving this national problem. National rifle association blames everything for gun violence except for guns.  But gun control is the most significant reason why other countries have been more successful in reducing violent crimes.  If guns are so safe, hypocritical NRA wouldn't need to ban guns at their conference.  According to Scientific American magazine, many studies show more guns don't make Americans safer or stop more crimes.  Contrary to hype, unintended consequences often happen when people have guns at home for self defense.  Risks of accidental shootings, homicides, assaults and suicides are far more common than rare gun uses for self defense.

    Mass shooting very rarely happens in other countries, less guns means less firearm massacres. Especially, the weapon of war, like assault rifles plus high-capacity magazine or unlimited rounds of magazine surely causes mass destruction of lives in short period of time. 18 year old Uvalde shooter owned two AR15 type assault rifles and seven 30 round magazines.

    Ironically, Texas attorney general Ken Paxton suggests a female elementary teacher armed with a handgun to counter this kind of shooter while 19 cops hold up for 45 minutes in school hallway and do nothing? Hello, reckless.    

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 4:14 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: It’s just liberals want to take your guns and leave you defenseless against criminals.  This is one of the reasons why we don't make progress on solving this national problem.

    Yup.  The old refrain "Guns don't kill people; people kill people"  is stupid in our current reality.

    In almost all cases of homicide or manslaughter, a device or weapon was an accessory to the crime.

    A person with a gun could walk into a classroom and murder 19 children and a teacher. But I seriously doubt that a person without a weapon or impliment of any kind other than his bare hands can walk into a classroom and kill 19 kids and a teacher.

     

    The weapons of choice are guns.

    Hypothetically, if one could wave a magic wand and disappear every single gun in America (including those in criminal hands, but not including police, security, or military) then gun violence would be 99.9% wiped out!   Of course this is neither pracitcal nor righteous given our 2nd amendment rights!   Rights that I agree with!

    But still it follows logically that if guns were reduced, then gun violence is reduced.  Not totally eliminated of course, but definitely reduced.  No rational person can disagree with something so obvious.

    So the question becomes how can we reduce the number of guns but still keep our 2nd amendment rights fully intact?

    Answer:  regulate, and make gun ownership much more expensive.

    Keeping gun ownership cheap and easy just makes for the proliferation of more guns!  Which logically means MORE GUN VIOLENCE, the exact opposite of what most claim they want!

    So do the opposite and make it more expensive.  Then watch gun ownership plunge. 

    Less guns = less gun violence, while still allowing Americans the freedom of choice to own or not under the 2nd amendment of our Constitution

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: It’s just liberals want to take your guns and leave you defenseless against criminals.  This is one of the reasons why we don't make progress on solving this national problem.

    Yup.  The old refrain "Guns don't kill people; people kill people"  is stupid in our current reality.

    In almost all cases of homicide or manslaughter, a device or weapon was an accessory to the crime.

    A person with a gun could walk into a classroom and murder 19 children and a teacher. But I seriously doubt that a person without a weapon or impliment of any kind other than his bare hands can walk into a classroom and kill 19 kids and a teacher.

     

    The weapons of choice are guns.

    Hypothetically, if one could wave a magic wand and disappear every single gun in America (including those in criminal hands, but not including police, security, or military) then gun violence would be 99.9% wiped out!   Of course this is neither pracitcal nor righteous given our 2nd amendment rights!   Rights that I agree with!

    But still it follows logically that if guns were reduced, then gun violence is reduced.  Not totally eliminated of course, but definitely reduced.  No rational person can disagree with something so obvious.

    So the question becomes how can we reduce the number of guns but still keep our 2nd amendment rights fully intact?

    Answer:  regulate, and make gun ownership much more expensive.

    Keeping gun ownership cheap and easy just makes for the proliferation of more guns!  Which logically means MORE GUN VIOLENCE, the exact opposite of what most claim they want!

    So do the opposite and make it more expensive.  Then watch gun ownership plunge. 

    Less guns = less gun violence, while still allowing Americans the freedom of choice to own or not under the 2nd amendment of our Constitution

     

     

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 10:16 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

     The old refrain "Guns don't kill people; people kill people"  is stupid in our current reality.

    In almost all cases of homicide or manslaughter, a device or weapon was an accessory to the crime.

    A person with a gun could walk into a classroom and murder 19 children and a teacher. But I seriously doubt that a person without a weapon or impliment of any kind other than his bare hands can walk into a classroom and kill 19 kids and a teacher.

     

    The weapons of choice are guns.

    Hypothetically, if one could wave a magic wand and disappear every single gun in America (including those in criminal hands, but not including police, security, or military) then gun violence would be 99.9% wiped out!   Of course this is neither pracitcal nor righteous given our 2nd amendment rights!   Rights that I agree with!

    But still it follows logically that if guns were reduced, then gun violence is reduced.  Not totally eliminated of course, but definitely reduced.  No rational person can disagree with something so obvious.

    So the question becomes how can we reduce the number of guns but still keep our 2nd amendment rights fully intact?

    Answer:  regulate, and make gun ownership much more expensive.

    Keeping gun ownership cheap and easy just makes for the proliferation of more guns!  Which logically means MORE GUN VIOLENCE, the exact opposite of what most claim they want!

    So do the opposite and make it more expensive.  Then watch gun ownership plunge. 

    Less guns = less gun violence, while still allowing Americans the freedom of choice to own or not under the 2nd amendment of our Constitution

    Word  peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

     The old refrain "Guns don't kill people; people kill people"  is stupid in our current reality.

    In almost all cases of homicide or manslaughter, a device or weapon was an accessory to the crime.

    A person with a gun could walk into a classroom and murder 19 children and a teacher. But I seriously doubt that a person without a weapon or impliment of any kind other than his bare hands can walk into a classroom and kill 19 kids and a teacher.

     

    The weapons of choice are guns.

    Hypothetically, if one could wave a magic wand and disappear every single gun in America (including those in criminal hands, but not including police, security, or military) then gun violence would be 99.9% wiped out!   Of course this is neither pracitcal nor righteous given our 2nd amendment rights!   Rights that I agree with!

    But still it follows logically that if guns were reduced, then gun violence is reduced.  Not totally eliminated of course, but definitely reduced.  No rational person can disagree with something so obvious.

    So the question becomes how can we reduce the number of guns but still keep our 2nd amendment rights fully intact?

    Answer:  regulate, and make gun ownership much more expensive.

    Keeping gun ownership cheap and easy just makes for the proliferation of more guns!  Which logically means MORE GUN VIOLENCE, the exact opposite of what most claim they want!

    So do the opposite and make it more expensive.  Then watch gun ownership plunge. 

    Less guns = less gun violence, while still allowing Americans the freedom of choice to own or not under the 2nd amendment of our Constitution

    Word  peace_5

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 10:26 AM ET #8

    I heard some clown the other day on fox,"it's every American's god given right to own a firearm",like if there is a god he's up there going,'Oh hell yeah,I gave everyone of those American's the right to protect themselves with a gun,and let no man try to interfere with god's law or they will feel god's mighty wrath"

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    I heard some clown the other day on fox,"it's every American's god given right to own a firearm",like if there is a god he's up there going,'Oh hell yeah,I gave everyone of those American's the right to protect themselves with a gun,and let no man try to interfere with god's law or they will feel god's mighty wrath"

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 10:28 AM ET #9

    Always funny to watch progressives say that only rich people should own guns in the US 

    A poor, law abiding, single mother in the inner city trying to raise a family should not have her right to protect her family taken away by progressives 

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    Always funny to watch progressives say that only rich people should own guns in the US 

    A poor, law abiding, single mother in the inner city trying to raise a family should not have her right to protect her family taken away by progressives 

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 10:31 AM ET #10

    How can we reduce the number of abortions in the US? 

    MAKE IT EXPENSIVE TO GET AN ABORTION!!! 

    sleep2

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    How can we reduce the number of abortions in the US? 

    MAKE IT EXPENSIVE TO GET AN ABORTION!!! 

    sleep2

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    I heard some clown the other day on FOX, "it's every American's god given right to own a firearm", like if there is a god he's up there going,'Oh hell yeah,I gave everyone of those American's the right to protect themselves with a gun,and let no man try to interfere with god's law or they will feel god's mighty wrath"

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWhatsItToYa:

    I heard some clown the other day on FOX, "it's every American's god given right to own a firearm", like if there is a god he's up there going,'Oh hell yeah,I gave everyone of those American's the right to protect themselves with a gun,and let no man try to interfere with god's law or they will feel god's mighty wrath"

     

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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 10:45 AM ET #12

    President Trump honors Texas hero Jack Wilson at the NRA convention. 

    Wilson famously stopped a church shooter in White Settlement, TX, saving countless lives with one perfect shot from his concealed firearm.

     

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    President Trump honors Texas hero Jack Wilson at the NRA convention. 

    Wilson famously stopped a church shooter in White Settlement, TX, saving countless lives with one perfect shot from his concealed firearm.

     

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    Lee Greenwood,
    After Canceling NRA Appearance,
    Drops Bomb live on Fox News:
    ‘That Weapon Killed Kids!!’ an_light

    DAILY BEAST -
    Lee Greenwood, the staple of Trump rallies and the most
    prominent musician to pull out the National Rifle Association’s
    annual meeting in Texas, told Fox News on Friday that his
    conscience would not allow him to perform at the event
    in the wake of the Uvalde school shooting.

    Greenwood directly cited the massacre that left 19 children
    and two adults dead as the cause of his last-minute pullout.

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    Lee Greenwood,
    After Canceling NRA Appearance,
    Drops Bomb live on Fox News:
    ‘That Weapon Killed Kids!!’ an_light

    DAILY BEAST -
    Lee Greenwood, the staple of Trump rallies and the most
    prominent musician to pull out the National Rifle Association’s
    annual meeting in Texas, told Fox News on Friday that his
    conscience would not allow him to perform at the event
    in the wake of the Uvalde school shooting.

    Greenwood directly cited the massacre that left 19 children
    and two adults dead as the cause of his last-minute pullout.

     
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    @I_Need_A_Detox

     Your own words actually prove the very point being made by "progressives" and "liberals", so Trump the dope congrats someone for a sharp shot...that is true and likely saved lives, but how many shots did it take to stop the person? Did that Wilson guy need 200-300 shots to stop the other guy or was it enough to have a much lower quantity?

    You are playing into the hands of the NRA when you fear other people and their guns to rationalize the need for weapons that can kill hundreds in seconds, that is what the NRA wants you to do, to blindly and generally accept all and any guns as protection under the 2nd and to try and stop ANY gun is a strike against the 2nd. I dont think you hear many people on this forum, out in society saying that zero guns for the right wing gun fan is what the objective is and nothing else is acceptable. Most people who are in support of gun control want limits on magazines, capacity, destructive types of ammunition etc, not the full elimination of any and all guns.

    So why is it that your side never makes efforts to reduce capacity and remove the weapons which like in this case caused the deaths of children and innocent teachers, that weapon served no purpose but to facilitate the speedy death of innocent people.

    I dont want all guns removed because that is impossible and those who will have the wrong guns even if you try to remove them from circulation are the wrong people you want having those guns. I do support the elimination of certain kinds of ammo and many types of guns.

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    @I_Need_A_Detox

     Your own words actually prove the very point being made by "progressives" and "liberals", so Trump the dope congrats someone for a sharp shot...that is true and likely saved lives, but how many shots did it take to stop the person? Did that Wilson guy need 200-300 shots to stop the other guy or was it enough to have a much lower quantity?

    You are playing into the hands of the NRA when you fear other people and their guns to rationalize the need for weapons that can kill hundreds in seconds, that is what the NRA wants you to do, to blindly and generally accept all and any guns as protection under the 2nd and to try and stop ANY gun is a strike against the 2nd. I dont think you hear many people on this forum, out in society saying that zero guns for the right wing gun fan is what the objective is and nothing else is acceptable. Most people who are in support of gun control want limits on magazines, capacity, destructive types of ammunition etc, not the full elimination of any and all guns.

    So why is it that your side never makes efforts to reduce capacity and remove the weapons which like in this case caused the deaths of children and innocent teachers, that weapon served no purpose but to facilitate the speedy death of innocent people.

    I dont want all guns removed because that is impossible and those who will have the wrong guns even if you try to remove them from circulation are the wrong people you want having those guns. I do support the elimination of certain kinds of ammo and many types of guns.

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 2:32 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:


    Politifact rates false senator Cruz's claim that armed guard
    is the most effective tool to prevent school shootings.

    No scientific evidences show guards prevent mass shooters
    from targeting schools. Study from American medical association
    found schools with guards are 3 times more likely 
    to be at risk than schools without guards.

    This I did not know.  an_eek2

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:


    Politifact rates false senator Cruz's claim that armed guard
    is the most effective tool to prevent school shootings.

    No scientific evidences show guards prevent mass shooters
    from targeting schools. Study from American medical association
    found schools with guards are 3 times more likely 
    to be at risk than schools without guards.

    This I did not know.  an_eek2

     

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 4:18 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Always funny to watch progressives say that only rich people should own guns in the US  A poor, law abiding, single mother in the inner city trying to raise a family should not have her right to protect her family taken away by progressives

    Now you care about the poor all of the sudden?

    You are constantly calling posters in here poor as an insult, but now you claim you care about the gun rights of the poor to enhance their security?

    You sir are a fraud. an_light

    You couldn't give two $ucks about poor families in inner cities, stop fronting. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Always funny to watch progressives say that only rich people should own guns in the US  A poor, law abiding, single mother in the inner city trying to raise a family should not have her right to protect her family taken away by progressives

    Now you care about the poor all of the sudden?

    You are constantly calling posters in here poor as an insult, but now you claim you care about the gun rights of the poor to enhance their security?

    You sir are a fraud. an_light

    You couldn't give two $ucks about poor families in inner cities, stop fronting. 

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 4:25 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Always funny to watch progressives say that only rich people should own guns in the US  A poor, law abiding, single mother in the inner city trying to raise a family should not have her right to protect her family taken away by progressives

    Imagine if Trump said add fees to gun ownership? an_roll_laughan_roll_laughan_roll_laugh

    RACIST !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Always funny to watch progressives say that only rich people should own guns in the US  A poor, law abiding, single mother in the inner city trying to raise a family should not have her right to protect her family taken away by progressives

    Imagine if Trump said add fees to gun ownership? an_roll_laughan_roll_laughan_roll_laugh

    RACIST !!!

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 4:29 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Always funny to watch progressives say that only rich people should own guns in the US  A poor, law abiding, single mother in the inner city trying to raise a family should not have her right to protect her family taken away by progressives

     

    Now you care about the poor all of the sudden?

    You are constantly calling posters in here poor as an insult, but now you claim you care about the gun rights of the poor to enhance their security?

            You sir are a fraud. 

    You couldn't give two $ucks about poor families in inner cities, stop fronting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Always funny to watch progressives say that only rich people should own guns in the US  A poor, law abiding, single mother in the inner city trying to raise a family should not have her right to protect her family taken away by progressives

     

    Now you care about the poor all of the sudden?

    You are constantly calling posters in here poor as an insult, but now you claim you care about the gun rights of the poor to enhance their security?

            You sir are a fraud. 

    You couldn't give two $ucks about poor families in inner cities, stop fronting.

    an_roll_laugh  

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 4:31 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:


    an_lightGiffords law center has discredited idea of good guy with a gun
    as a solution to violence. Overall, research shows owning a gun
    doesn't make a person safer or those around him.

    Gun lobby has convinced people to believe guns are necessary
    for self defense. But this misconception sometimes lead to deadly
    encounters.
    Truth is that self defense use is rare.
    Far more likely guns are used for suicide or homicide.
    People successfully defend themselves with guns in under 1% of crimes.

    No evidence concealed carry laws reduce crime.

    States with higher rates of gun ownership have higher rates of gun deaths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:


    an_lightGiffords law center has discredited idea of good guy with a gun
    as a solution to violence. Overall, research shows owning a gun
    doesn't make a person safer or those around him.

    Gun lobby has convinced people to believe guns are necessary
    for self defense. But this misconception sometimes lead to deadly
    encounters.
    Truth is that self defense use is rare.
    Far more likely guns are used for suicide or homicide.
    People successfully defend themselves with guns in under 1% of crimes.

    No evidence concealed carry laws reduce crime.

    States with higher rates of gun ownership have higher rates of gun deaths.

    Word   an_clap

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 4:41 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @I_Need_A_Detox  Your own words actually prove the very point being made by "progressives" and "liberals", so Trump the dope congrats someone for a sharp shot...that is true and likely saved lives, but how many shots did it take to stop the person? Did that Wilson guy need 200-300 shots to stop the other guy or was it enough to have a much lower quantity? You are playing into the hands of the NRA when you fear other people and their guns to rationalize the need for weapons that can kill hundreds in seconds, that is what the NRA wants you to do, to blindly and generally accept all and any guns as protection under the 2nd and to try and stop ANY gun is a strike against the 2nd. I dont think you hear many people on this forum, out in society saying that zero guns for the right wing gun fan is what the objective is and nothing else is acceptable. Most people who are in support of gun control want limits on magazines, capacity, destructive types of ammunition etc, not the full elimination of any and all guns. So why is it that your side never makes efforts to reduce capacity and remove the weapons which like in this case caused the deaths of children and innocent teachers, that weapon served no purpose but to facilitate the speedy death of innocent people. I dont want all guns removed because that is impossible and those who will have the wrong guns even if you try to remove them from circulation are the wrong people you want having those guns. I do support the elimination of certain kinds of ammo and many types of guns.

    Yes, in this scenario Mr Wilson didn’t need a lot of ammo. However, there are situations that would require a lot of ammo. I think you’re smart enough to understand this. 

    My own words proved their point? What are you talking about? 

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @I_Need_A_Detox  Your own words actually prove the very point being made by "progressives" and "liberals", so Trump the dope congrats someone for a sharp shot...that is true and likely saved lives, but how many shots did it take to stop the person? Did that Wilson guy need 200-300 shots to stop the other guy or was it enough to have a much lower quantity? You are playing into the hands of the NRA when you fear other people and their guns to rationalize the need for weapons that can kill hundreds in seconds, that is what the NRA wants you to do, to blindly and generally accept all and any guns as protection under the 2nd and to try and stop ANY gun is a strike against the 2nd. I dont think you hear many people on this forum, out in society saying that zero guns for the right wing gun fan is what the objective is and nothing else is acceptable. Most people who are in support of gun control want limits on magazines, capacity, destructive types of ammunition etc, not the full elimination of any and all guns. So why is it that your side never makes efforts to reduce capacity and remove the weapons which like in this case caused the deaths of children and innocent teachers, that weapon served no purpose but to facilitate the speedy death of innocent people. I dont want all guns removed because that is impossible and those who will have the wrong guns even if you try to remove them from circulation are the wrong people you want having those guns. I do support the elimination of certain kinds of ammo and many types of guns.

    Yes, in this scenario Mr Wilson didn’t need a lot of ammo. However, there are situations that would require a lot of ammo. I think you’re smart enough to understand this. 

    My own words proved their point? What are you talking about? 

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 4:55 PM ET #21

    So what is "Biden the Blunderer" going to do? Point fingers.

    Detox was right to use abortion as an analogy, one would think the world is ending when it looks like The Supreme Court will rule that states should decide abortion laws. A ruling I might add Biden favored earlier in his career. 

    The same mistrust that many on the Left have for abortion laws many on the Right have for gun restrictions. an_light

    Many on the Right feel abortions should be reasonable and timely and some want none while many on the Left want gun restrictions and some want no guns at all. Both fear each other and scream ALL or we will have a tantrum!!!

    We need to get over the mistrust but that will never happen with our current divided environment. And that division gets fuel everyday. 

    Expect to see some restrictions, we have to. I'm for it. 

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    So what is "Biden the Blunderer" going to do? Point fingers.

    Detox was right to use abortion as an analogy, one would think the world is ending when it looks like The Supreme Court will rule that states should decide abortion laws. A ruling I might add Biden favored earlier in his career. 

    The same mistrust that many on the Left have for abortion laws many on the Right have for gun restrictions. an_light

    Many on the Right feel abortions should be reasonable and timely and some want none while many on the Left want gun restrictions and some want no guns at all. Both fear each other and scream ALL or we will have a tantrum!!!

    We need to get over the mistrust but that will never happen with our current divided environment. And that division gets fuel everyday. 

    Expect to see some restrictions, we have to. I'm for it. 

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 4:57 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    National rifle association blames everything for gun violence except for guns. 

    But gun control is the most significant reason why other countries have been more successful in reducing violent crimes.  If guns are so safe, hypocritical NRA wouldn't need to ban guns at their conference. 

    According to Scientific American magazine, many studies show more guns don't make Americans safer or stop more crimes. 

    Contrary to hype, unintended consequences often happen when people have guns at home for self defense.  Risks of accidental shootings, homicides, assaults and suicides are far more common than rare gun uses for self defense.

                     an_light   an_light   an_light

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    National rifle association blames everything for gun violence except for guns. 

    But gun control is the most significant reason why other countries have been more successful in reducing violent crimes.  If guns are so safe, hypocritical NRA wouldn't need to ban guns at their conference. 

    According to Scientific American magazine, many studies show more guns don't make Americans safer or stop more crimes. 

    Contrary to hype, unintended consequences often happen when people have guns at home for self defense.  Risks of accidental shootings, homicides, assaults and suicides are far more common than rare gun uses for self defense.

                     an_light   an_light   an_light

     

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 5:00 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Always funny to watch progressives say that only rich people should own guns in the US  A poor, law abiding, single mother in the inner city trying to raise a family should not have her right to protect her family taken away by progressives

     

     

    Now you care about the poor all of the sudden? You are constantly calling posters in here poor as an insult, but now you claim you care about the gun rights of the poor to enhance their security? You sir are a fraud.  You couldn't give two $ucks about poor families in inner cities, stop fronting.

                 thumbs_up    an_clap

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Always funny to watch progressives say that only rich people should own guns in the US  A poor, law abiding, single mother in the inner city trying to raise a family should not have her right to protect her family taken away by progressives

     

     

    Now you care about the poor all of the sudden? You are constantly calling posters in here poor as an insult, but now you claim you care about the gun rights of the poor to enhance their security? You sir are a fraud.  You couldn't give two $ucks about poor families in inner cities, stop fronting.

                 thumbs_up    an_clap

     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 5:22 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    This is just pathetic. They have Trump trying to pronounce and read the names of the dead children while the NRA rings a bell. Disgusting. He's absolutely destroying the names. The consistent theme from every speaker at the NRA convention was that Democrats want to confiscate all guns in America. They never mentioned assault weapons, AR-15s or other proposals. It’s just liberals want to take your guns and leave you defenseless against criminals. NC Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson on gun restrictions: “It is not going to happen! It’s time for the law abiding patriots in this nation to stand up and say, hell no!’ We will not go, and you will not take them!” At the NRA convention,

    Ted Cruz says the solution to school shootings is to fortify them by installing bulletproof doors and locking classroom doors in every school. This dope doesn't realize the door was locked & couldn't be opened until someone found the key. 

    Ted went on to say the reasons for mass shootings are absent fathers, declining church attendance, social media, and video games.

     Kristi Noem at the NRA convention says we shouldn’t have gun control because of dangerous leftist protesters: “Woke mobs are tearing down statues .. our Founding Fathers, Catholic missionaries. They even wanted to come after Mt. Rushmore. Not on my watch!” Executive Director of NRA defiantly says they will continue to oppose all gun control measures: “We’re gonna take this message to Congress, the voters, and ballot boxes all across the country this November.” Wayne LaPierre says the way to stop school shootings is to spend more money on law enforcement.  This is one of the reasons why we don't make progress on solving this national problem.

    Two comments here; what door WAS LOCKED? 

    I worked at several facilities with locked doors and key badge ID's as entry. Intercom with buzzer for those without badge to be let in after clearence. It's a great idea for schools. 

    And yes lack of two parents, lack of social interaction and social instruction that churches provide do not help. 

    Media!!! You get a naked streaker at a football game and the cameras pan away as the streaker follies and then gets arrested. The streaker gets NO notoriety so as not to promote more streaking. Yet a suicidal mass killer goes down in infamy. All other suicidals see this and guess what they're thinking!

    Video games; Years ago visiting my grandchildren I watched them playing video games where they pulled the spinal cord from they're victims. Asked my son if he knew his kids had such vulgar games. I was told I was too old to understand. Guess I am still too old!!!

    Not a deflection from gun regulations just honest observations!! 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    This is just pathetic. They have Trump trying to pronounce and read the names of the dead children while the NRA rings a bell. Disgusting. He's absolutely destroying the names. The consistent theme from every speaker at the NRA convention was that Democrats want to confiscate all guns in America. They never mentioned assault weapons, AR-15s or other proposals. It’s just liberals want to take your guns and leave you defenseless against criminals. NC Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson on gun restrictions: “It is not going to happen! It’s time for the law abiding patriots in this nation to stand up and say, hell no!’ We will not go, and you will not take them!” At the NRA convention,

    Ted Cruz says the solution to school shootings is to fortify them by installing bulletproof doors and locking classroom doors in every school. This dope doesn't realize the door was locked & couldn't be opened until someone found the key. 

    Ted went on to say the reasons for mass shootings are absent fathers, declining church attendance, social media, and video games.

     Kristi Noem at the NRA convention says we shouldn’t have gun control because of dangerous leftist protesters: “Woke mobs are tearing down statues .. our Founding Fathers, Catholic missionaries. They even wanted to come after Mt. Rushmore. Not on my watch!” Executive Director of NRA defiantly says they will continue to oppose all gun control measures: “We’re gonna take this message to Congress, the voters, and ballot boxes all across the country this November.” Wayne LaPierre says the way to stop school shootings is to spend more money on law enforcement.  This is one of the reasons why we don't make progress on solving this national problem.

    Two comments here; what door WAS LOCKED? 

    I worked at several facilities with locked doors and key badge ID's as entry. Intercom with buzzer for those without badge to be let in after clearence. It's a great idea for schools. 

    And yes lack of two parents, lack of social interaction and social instruction that churches provide do not help. 

    Media!!! You get a naked streaker at a football game and the cameras pan away as the streaker follies and then gets arrested. The streaker gets NO notoriety so as not to promote more streaking. Yet a suicidal mass killer goes down in infamy. All other suicidals see this and guess what they're thinking!

    Video games; Years ago visiting my grandchildren I watched them playing video games where they pulled the spinal cord from they're victims. Asked my son if he knew his kids had such vulgar games. I was told I was too old to understand. Guess I am still too old!!!

    Not a deflection from gun regulations just honest observations!! 

     
     
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    Posted: May. 28, 2022 - 5:41 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    All other suicidals see this and guess what they're thinking!
    You said it right there uniman.Let me try and guess what's the next thought that pops into these "suicidals" thinking."Let me get a GUN or as many GUNs as I can,and kill as many people as I can",and thats the problem right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    All other suicidals see this and guess what they're thinking!
    You said it right there uniman.Let me try and guess what's the next thought that pops into these "suicidals" thinking."Let me get a GUN or as many GUNs as I can,and kill as many people as I can",and thats the problem right there.

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