Obamacare guru: Obama himself plotted deception

detox, They need to. Carson would be a great front man for the Party.

giving illegals a free pass, and permission to stay, is not addressing the problem...  Closing the border, and allowing the border patrol to do their jobs, as detailed by the laws we already have, must be the first step... If he indeed, executes his executive power, how does that help us, the American citizens?  easy, it doesn't... it will only add to the already out of control border crossings that we have running across daily....

You have to turn off the water supply, before you can repair a busted water pipe 

Obama is out of touch, giving him a small amount of credit, in case he ever was in touch...with every single aspect of what is good for the American people, and what the American people want.

 

i think saying giving illegals a free pass oversimplifies it.  there are a certain number of people children, who need to be dealt with.  some may say they should be sent back, some jmay say they should be able to stay and some might take some middle ground position.  but having them in limbo with no status is a problem for them, for potential empliyers, for school and other segments of our society.  it needs to be dealt with.  so, if he lets that group stay, that does address the issue.  whether you like the way he addresses it is another matter.  and i do think it helps the american people because to suggest the immigration problem is limited to those immgrants massively oversimplifies it.

these people have been here a long time.  there are a lot of them.  many have kids who were born here.  many will have kids who are born here.  we need to figure out what to do with them not just for them but for many other segments of the society.

as for the greater issue of dealing with illegals coming in and getting  rid of the ones all or most of us can agree need to go,  i agree that it is pointless and a big waste of money without first securing the border.  but, realistically, that just isn't going to happen.  logistically, financially, politically, it isn't happening.  not by obama, not by a republican president, not by any congress.


as for you your last sentence, i'd say all politicians these days are only in touch with the people who spend the millions they need to win elections.  that being said, i think obama has been pretty good on the immigration issue given the complexity, size and duration of the problem plus the limited resources.

We all know, there is enough wasteful spending, that would indeed finance securing the border... Then after secure, allow the border control agents to do the job that they were hired to do.. Apprehend, and deport all immigrants who are here illegally.. I understand there will be numerous instances where based on their circumstances, where they should be allowed to stay, but the overwhelming majority, would be rounded up, and sent back...  They then need to enforce the law, that no one can employ illegal workers, and if caught doing so, fine them an amount that really hurts their bank account, and if ever caught again, put them out of business...  This in itself, would put an end to them being so anxious to come here... and would not be worth the risk, of these employers allowing them to work...

i think you're referring to two different sets of people.  there are the ones illegally coming across the border.  the size of this groups ebbs and flows with the strength of our economy.  we have a border patrol that is supposed to address this but there aren't nearly enough to do the job correctly.

and then there are those who are here and have been for any numkber of years.  the border patrol doesn't deal with them.  we really have no way of even approaching a strategy to deal with that group and it would take years and a massive amount of money and logistical changes to our system to try.  as i've said here for years and have been right so far, that will never, never happen.

i do agree that properly punishing employers for hiring illegals would maybe put a dent in the issue although not come close to solving it.  but, a lot of companies have and continue to make a lot of money hiring illegals.  that money controls these decisions.  those people don;t make decisions that cut off that kind of money supply. 

"Try and stay with me here.  The topic is about Obama deceiving the public and thinking that they are stupid.  I agreed that the American public is stupid and he is right about that.  I don't feel deceived and I like my Obamacare.  I'm saving a ton of money and got to keep my doctor".

no I was referring to your recent obsession with what I post...

The topic is Grubergate .... Obama's health plan scam  ,,,,not immigration..

But ,I can understand why the Liberals and non-partisan representatives of this site ( who always agree with and caucus with the Libs) want to change the topic at post #20 to immigration..ROLF ..

Some things are just indefensible.

Obama said Gruber wasn't on staff, and had no say so in Obama care.... and Pelosi said she had never heard of him    This whole administration is an embarrassment...

 I am a firm believer that health care reform was and is needed, and I have been advocating for it for several years. It needs to be done correctly, though, and in a way that does not create different levels of access and treatment.      

The state of Vermont has stopped payment on the contract of Jonathan Gruber...On Wednesday, Lawrence Miller, chief of health care reform for the Gov. Peter Shumlin administration, announced that Vermont would stop payment of Gruber’s $450,000 contract with the state.

Vermont was going to pay him $450,000 for his comedy act ...LOL

Gruber is the pinnacle of arrogant academic Liberal elitism........

Darryl L. ,,,Why do you want to act like a "tool"?

funny how you resort to name calling when you get upset...

Good call Raider. The Left does have it both ways with race. If the caucasian disagrees with o he/she is considered a racist by the Left. If men like Watts and West go after o it would be because they are African American. Race has the Right tied up in knots. They need to find a way to untie the knots created by this dilemma.

but I disagree....  base on the history and the current party, GOPs can and should improve their race image...

I believe Matt is non-partisan.

He can prove it to you guys by listing conservative issues he agrees with.

Don't let me down Matt. I'm vouching for ya.