Quote Originally Posted by cashin:
I guess we will. The grand jury will convene soon & I expect them to get an indictment. Seems as if you looked at this incident backasswards from the beginning imo. Instead of looking at there being no evidence to charge Zimmerman, you should have seen that he killed a kid & there is no evidence or witnesses to show or prove that he clearly acted in self defense despite whatever injuries he has & that a 13 yr old said he was on the bottom getting beat up at 1 point.
And every other statement or piece of evidence (911 call, gf's acct of cell call if it stands up, affadavit from lead investigator, voice experts saying it's almost certain that it's not Z, lying to the cops about past trouble, M with no history of violence & not doing anything wrong, etc) clearly works against him big-time, especially in combination. By the time everything is put together, I guarantee Z won't want to face a trial -
Cashin,
Im happy to debate you line by line and appreciate your effort for civility. Some others simply want to attack just because they don't agree rather than just making another argument.
Did you see what you said in essence?
Instead of looking at there being no evidence to charge Zimmerman, you should have seen that he killed a kid & there is no evidence or witnesses to show or prove that he clearly acted in self defense despite whatever injuries he has & that a 13 yr old said he was on the bottom getting beat up at 1 point.
The key word being 'clearly'. There is likely no video of the incident and likely no witness that was able to see the confrontation. Thankfully, our system doesn't require that high of a standard to take away someones freedoms or execute them. The legal standard is 'beyond a reasonable doubt' and the two items you mentioned are enough.
Plus Trayvons own father telling an investigator that the voice was not his son's voice. That is more compelling to me than some voice expert saying he thinks it wasn't Zimmerman. I would think a father would be able to tell if a sound belongs to a family member or not. Plus the injuries to Zimmerman and the testimony of the 13 year old boy saying the cries came from the one on the bottom...add up to the higher likelihood of Zimmerman being the source of the screaming. There is little to dispute that and much to sustain it.
I do see this ordeal as a strategy, yet I also have to look at this from a legal standpoint and after initially being on the side of most of the public I changed sides based on witness statements I believe and being able to explain away witnesses that added or projected things they could not have known.
IE. Mary Cutcher said that she heard someone screaming 'bloody murder' over and over and that she felt that it was a little boy based on the sound of the voice. Once she found out who the cops had percieved to be screaming based on other witness statements and injuries to Zimmerman, she couldnt get into her puny little brain that maybe Zimmerman had a high voice...which he does as well as his brother Robert. She made assumptions only based on the fact that Trayvon was much younger so clearly his voice had to sound 'younger'. Does that make sense?
As mentioned before, Zimmerman had called 911 some 46 times in a rather short period of time...leading people to perhaps rightfully believe that he really was a paranoid person or he was over zeolous...or both. I would submit to you that this scenario could have played out. o...some 25 times or so and each other time zero shots were fired by him. What does that mean? It means that he most likely let the cops come in and sort it out..rather than taking everything or even some in his own hands. Maybe he did confront others and perhaps let them go with an explanation..but it shows that he was not out to shoot people for just being suspicious.
He may very well be a hot head, he may from time to time make bad decisions. That doesn't mean that he is a hot head all the time...especially when we have MORE evidence to show that the other guy started the physical confrontation and zero evidence that he started the confrontation.
I welcome your counter arguments that dont over speculate. If you would like to present a theory...back it up somehow.