When calculating Senate popular vote would you count a state that had only Democrats running? California had D v D just over 6 million votes cast. You just add both totals to the D column?
How do you adjust numbers based on the number of D or R seeking re-election. This year i think D outnumbered R by a healthy margain maybe 10 or 13 races (not sure).
Senate popular vote just cant be taken at face value and extrpolated to reflect or project general election results.
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When calculating Senate popular vote would you count a state that had only Democrats running? California had D v D just over 6 million votes cast. You just add both totals to the D column?
How do you adjust numbers based on the number of D or R seeking re-election. This year i think D outnumbered R by a healthy margain maybe 10 or 13 races (not sure).
Senate popular vote just cant be taken at face value and extrpolated to reflect or project general election results.
You sound like the guy that hits 5 of 6 numbers in the Powerball and call it a lost. Overall Dems got 80 % of what they needed, a decent Blue wave but a wave nonetheless. Florida was a disaster sure but the Senate seats they lost they were favored in none of. Arizona and Florida have yet to be called and if they lose both that would be tough but the ones they lost for sure they were not favored in. Gubernatorially they did pretty well in coin flip states. Georgia was always a longshot but they stole a seat in Kansas. In the coin flip Midwest they broke even, winning Michigan and Wisconsin but losing Ohio and Iowa. Any fanatic that thought voters everywhere would anti Trump was just delusional. They got what they needed. They took back the Midwest which was pivotal for 2020. They took the white educated suburbs from Republicans for the first time since Clinton. And most importantly they might well have created a paradigm shift among white educated women. Make that group a permanent Democratic base and Republicans can forget about winning another Presidential election ever. Then you have the scalps of Walker, Kobach, Brat, Kim Davis. Overall results were good enough but could clearly be better.
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You sound like the guy that hits 5 of 6 numbers in the Powerball and call it a lost. Overall Dems got 80 % of what they needed, a decent Blue wave but a wave nonetheless. Florida was a disaster sure but the Senate seats they lost they were favored in none of. Arizona and Florida have yet to be called and if they lose both that would be tough but the ones they lost for sure they were not favored in. Gubernatorially they did pretty well in coin flip states. Georgia was always a longshot but they stole a seat in Kansas. In the coin flip Midwest they broke even, winning Michigan and Wisconsin but losing Ohio and Iowa. Any fanatic that thought voters everywhere would anti Trump was just delusional. They got what they needed. They took back the Midwest which was pivotal for 2020. They took the white educated suburbs from Republicans for the first time since Clinton. And most importantly they might well have created a paradigm shift among white educated women. Make that group a permanent Democratic base and Republicans can forget about winning another Presidential election ever. Then you have the scalps of Walker, Kobach, Brat, Kim Davis. Overall results were good enough but could clearly be better.
You sound like the guy that hits 5 of 6 numbers in the Powerball and call it a lost. Overall Dems got 80 % of what they needed, a decent Blue wave but a wave nonetheless. Florida was a disaster sure but the Senate seats they lost they were favored in none of. Arizona and Florida have yet to be called and if they lose both that would be tough but the ones they lost for sure they were not favored in. Gubernatorially they did pretty well in coin flip states. Georgia was always a longshot but they stole a seat in Kansas. In the coin flip Midwest they broke even, winning Michigan and Wisconsin but losing Ohio and Iowa. Any fanatic that thought voters everywhere would anti Trump was just delusional. They got what they needed. They took back the Midwest which was pivotal for 2020. They took the white educated suburbs from Republicans for the first time since Clinton. And most importantly they might well have created a paradigm shift among white educated women. Make that group a permanent Democratic base and Republicans can forget about winning another Presidential election ever. Then you have the scalps of Walker, Kobach, Brat, Kim Davis. Overall results were good enough but could clearly be better.
80% is funny math. Where I come from we call that spin. If Trump was hated as bad as the Dems claim they should not only have taken the house but won the Senate as well and not lost seats. We have been hearing about a blue wave and that could have only happened if they took both. This is typical with what happens in midterms and Trump I start the most hated Pres ever. How do they not win both?
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Quote Originally Posted by Doubleadownon12:
You sound like the guy that hits 5 of 6 numbers in the Powerball and call it a lost. Overall Dems got 80 % of what they needed, a decent Blue wave but a wave nonetheless. Florida was a disaster sure but the Senate seats they lost they were favored in none of. Arizona and Florida have yet to be called and if they lose both that would be tough but the ones they lost for sure they were not favored in. Gubernatorially they did pretty well in coin flip states. Georgia was always a longshot but they stole a seat in Kansas. In the coin flip Midwest they broke even, winning Michigan and Wisconsin but losing Ohio and Iowa. Any fanatic that thought voters everywhere would anti Trump was just delusional. They got what they needed. They took back the Midwest which was pivotal for 2020. They took the white educated suburbs from Republicans for the first time since Clinton. And most importantly they might well have created a paradigm shift among white educated women. Make that group a permanent Democratic base and Republicans can forget about winning another Presidential election ever. Then you have the scalps of Walker, Kobach, Brat, Kim Davis. Overall results were good enough but could clearly be better.
80% is funny math. Where I come from we call that spin. If Trump was hated as bad as the Dems claim they should not only have taken the house but won the Senate as well and not lost seats. We have been hearing about a blue wave and that could have only happened if they took both. This is typical with what happens in midterms and Trump I start the most hated Pres ever. How do they not win both?
Why shouldn't the dems be happy? Seems they got something they didn't have while the reps got to keep something they already had. Dems should be happy yes, however relative to history, trump did better than both clinton and obama regarding #of seats lost in the house.
Clinton actually gained seats in the 1998 midterms.
I was referring to the first midterm elections after the new presidency was sworn in...so in Clintons 1st term as pres, how did the midelections end up?
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Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:
Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:
Why shouldn't the dems be happy? Seems they got something they didn't have while the reps got to keep something they already had. Dems should be happy yes, however relative to history, trump did better than both clinton and obama regarding #of seats lost in the house.
Clinton actually gained seats in the 1998 midterms.
I was referring to the first midterm elections after the new presidency was sworn in...so in Clintons 1st term as pres, how did the midelections end up?
You sound like the guy that hits 5 of 6 numbers in the Powerball and call it a lost. Overall Dems got 80 % of what they needed, a decent Blue wave but a wave nonetheless. Florida was a disaster sure but the Senate seats they lost they were favored in none of. Arizona and Florida have yet to be called and if they lose both that would be tough but the ones they lost for sure they were not favored in. Gubernatorially they did pretty well in coin flip states. Georgia was always a longshot but they stole a seat in Kansas. In the coin flip Midwest they broke even, winning Michigan and Wisconsin but losing Ohio and Iowa. Any fanatic that thought voters everywhere would anti Trump was just delusional. They got what they needed. They took back the Midwest which was pivotal for 2020. They took the white educated suburbs from Republicans for the first time since Clinton. And most importantly they might well have created a paradigm shift among white educated women. Make that group a permanent Democratic base and Republicans can forget about winning another Presidential election ever. Then you have the scalps of Walker, Kobach, Brat, Kim Davis. Overall results were good enough but could clearly be better.
80% is funny math. Where I come from we call that spin. If Trump was hated as bad as the Dems claim they should not only have taken the house but won the Senate as well and not lost seats. We have been hearing about a blue wave and that could have only happened if they took both. This is typical with what happens in midterms and Trump I start the most hated Pres ever. How do they not win both?
Only the most delusional idiot would think the Dems had any chance of winning the Senate. Since this is a betting site, let"s just go based on raw numbers. Dems were - 300 to take the House and GOP - 500 to take the Senate. Clearly the probability held. Meanwhile in the Senate races the only races where Dems were less than a + 200 dawg was in Florida and Arizona where they were both slight + 150 to + 120 dawgs. Well guess what? Both are razor thin races that both still have a chance at pulling out.
I want to point something out here. This election compares very favorably to 2010 and I might dare say even beats the Holy Grail of Conservative backlash in 2010. Dems gained 7 Governorships with 2 outstanding, that is compared to 6 the GOP got.
Sure they gained 63 House seats but the the bottom line number of 6 million more voters and and a 6.7 % advantage still doesn't beat the 2018 results of 7 % for Dems and 9 million more voters with plenty of votes left to be counted in the West Coast. I expect final numbers to settle on 8.5 - 9 % and 11 million more votes. If that's not a Blue Wave I don't know what is.
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Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:
Quote Originally Posted by Doubleadownon12:
You sound like the guy that hits 5 of 6 numbers in the Powerball and call it a lost. Overall Dems got 80 % of what they needed, a decent Blue wave but a wave nonetheless. Florida was a disaster sure but the Senate seats they lost they were favored in none of. Arizona and Florida have yet to be called and if they lose both that would be tough but the ones they lost for sure they were not favored in. Gubernatorially they did pretty well in coin flip states. Georgia was always a longshot but they stole a seat in Kansas. In the coin flip Midwest they broke even, winning Michigan and Wisconsin but losing Ohio and Iowa. Any fanatic that thought voters everywhere would anti Trump was just delusional. They got what they needed. They took back the Midwest which was pivotal for 2020. They took the white educated suburbs from Republicans for the first time since Clinton. And most importantly they might well have created a paradigm shift among white educated women. Make that group a permanent Democratic base and Republicans can forget about winning another Presidential election ever. Then you have the scalps of Walker, Kobach, Brat, Kim Davis. Overall results were good enough but could clearly be better.
80% is funny math. Where I come from we call that spin. If Trump was hated as bad as the Dems claim they should not only have taken the house but won the Senate as well and not lost seats. We have been hearing about a blue wave and that could have only happened if they took both. This is typical with what happens in midterms and Trump I start the most hated Pres ever. How do they not win both?
Only the most delusional idiot would think the Dems had any chance of winning the Senate. Since this is a betting site, let"s just go based on raw numbers. Dems were - 300 to take the House and GOP - 500 to take the Senate. Clearly the probability held. Meanwhile in the Senate races the only races where Dems were less than a + 200 dawg was in Florida and Arizona where they were both slight + 150 to + 120 dawgs. Well guess what? Both are razor thin races that both still have a chance at pulling out.
I want to point something out here. This election compares very favorably to 2010 and I might dare say even beats the Holy Grail of Conservative backlash in 2010. Dems gained 7 Governorships with 2 outstanding, that is compared to 6 the GOP got.
Sure they gained 63 House seats but the the bottom line number of 6 million more voters and and a 6.7 % advantage still doesn't beat the 2018 results of 7 % for Dems and 9 million more voters with plenty of votes left to be counted in the West Coast. I expect final numbers to settle on 8.5 - 9 % and 11 million more votes. If that's not a Blue Wave I don't know what is.
Clinton actually gained seats in the 1998 midterms.
I was referring to the first midterm elections after the new presidency was sworn in...so in Clintons 1st term as pres, how did the midelections end up?
He lost seats in his first midterm.
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Quote Originally Posted by packersbackers:
Clinton actually gained seats in the 1998 midterms.
I was referring to the first midterm elections after the new presidency was sworn in...so in Clintons 1st term as pres, how did the midelections end up?
The Republicans got smoked. I've seen everyone spin the election results their various ways but I know that they did not do well. They should really have been able to add 5 to 10 Senate seats based on having the advantage of home field, if you get my drift. Instead, they're going to make marginal gains at best and lost control of the House. I never thought the Democrats could take the Senate because it wasn't realistic. The House controls budgets, though and it does investigations. I think that's important since I've been complaining nonstop about printing devalued money and the dollar losing value overall. I don't care if the average moron doesn't understand how bad that is. I do grasp it and I'm pissed off! The public would be mad as well if they actually understood what's really going on.
However, my personal feelings don't matter. It was easy to see Democrats would likely win the House based on a couple of things that everyone dismissed before. They didn't consider whether it mattered if Congress ever checks Trump. The public watched Republicans allow Trump do whatever he wanted, no matter what, all of the time. I believe roughly 50% of Republicans polled would support Trump being a king. Now think about how the other voters feel about it. They don't like it. They want a system of checks and balances, geniuses. The second problem Republicans have is that they purged moderates from their party. I think this is something they can't fix, by the way. They refuse to vote for any Republican who considers compromising and as a result, they will only elect hardliners in their primaries who are polarizing and aggressive. They don't want meek politicians who cave in easily. That's great. I honestly believe they have the right to feel that way. However, it's extremely hard to win in competitive districts with those candidates.
I'm going to use the same example I posted on an article the other day. Charlie Dent left office. He's a reasonable Republican I'd actually vote for and you need to understand that I really won't vote for too many Republicans. There are other Americans who probably would do the same thing. They just can't do it now that Republicans aren't offering them any. I believe the Republicans are too stubborn to admit they're wrong and to consider rebranding the party. Personally, I think it's great because the Democrats have a better playing field in 2020 and the Republicans are going to double down. They need to learn a lesson and it'll temporarily give Democrats power. I said multiple times on articles that Republicans would actually be damaging themselves and that Democrats still don't know how to strategize well. They did this to themselves. I see Republicans as loudmouths who can't shut the hell up for one day and need to insert their opinions into every conversation. They think that the 2016 election results now validate every moronic thought stewing inside their heads. That's why you see so many of them commenting on articles in the first place. They're so smart and right about everything and want everyone to know. The silent majority. Ha! I happen to feel they sound like crass animals and many of them lie incessantly. It has forced me to win debates on articles to show the public why Republicans can't be trusted. I'd give myself a fairly great record mainly due to the majority of them just clicking thumbs down or insulting me. It's rare any of them display intellect or the ability to articulate. I recall mentioning on here how I didn't trust them on immigration. So I pointed out I saw the other day that the application process to become a legal citizen has now been delayed up to a year and a half longer for no actual logistical reason. Republicans just want to make it harder for any immigrant to become a citizen. I knew I was right.
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The Republicans got smoked. I've seen everyone spin the election results their various ways but I know that they did not do well. They should really have been able to add 5 to 10 Senate seats based on having the advantage of home field, if you get my drift. Instead, they're going to make marginal gains at best and lost control of the House. I never thought the Democrats could take the Senate because it wasn't realistic. The House controls budgets, though and it does investigations. I think that's important since I've been complaining nonstop about printing devalued money and the dollar losing value overall. I don't care if the average moron doesn't understand how bad that is. I do grasp it and I'm pissed off! The public would be mad as well if they actually understood what's really going on.
However, my personal feelings don't matter. It was easy to see Democrats would likely win the House based on a couple of things that everyone dismissed before. They didn't consider whether it mattered if Congress ever checks Trump. The public watched Republicans allow Trump do whatever he wanted, no matter what, all of the time. I believe roughly 50% of Republicans polled would support Trump being a king. Now think about how the other voters feel about it. They don't like it. They want a system of checks and balances, geniuses. The second problem Republicans have is that they purged moderates from their party. I think this is something they can't fix, by the way. They refuse to vote for any Republican who considers compromising and as a result, they will only elect hardliners in their primaries who are polarizing and aggressive. They don't want meek politicians who cave in easily. That's great. I honestly believe they have the right to feel that way. However, it's extremely hard to win in competitive districts with those candidates.
I'm going to use the same example I posted on an article the other day. Charlie Dent left office. He's a reasonable Republican I'd actually vote for and you need to understand that I really won't vote for too many Republicans. There are other Americans who probably would do the same thing. They just can't do it now that Republicans aren't offering them any. I believe the Republicans are too stubborn to admit they're wrong and to consider rebranding the party. Personally, I think it's great because the Democrats have a better playing field in 2020 and the Republicans are going to double down. They need to learn a lesson and it'll temporarily give Democrats power. I said multiple times on articles that Republicans would actually be damaging themselves and that Democrats still don't know how to strategize well. They did this to themselves. I see Republicans as loudmouths who can't shut the hell up for one day and need to insert their opinions into every conversation. They think that the 2016 election results now validate every moronic thought stewing inside their heads. That's why you see so many of them commenting on articles in the first place. They're so smart and right about everything and want everyone to know. The silent majority. Ha! I happen to feel they sound like crass animals and many of them lie incessantly. It has forced me to win debates on articles to show the public why Republicans can't be trusted. I'd give myself a fairly great record mainly due to the majority of them just clicking thumbs down or insulting me. It's rare any of them display intellect or the ability to articulate. I recall mentioning on here how I didn't trust them on immigration. So I pointed out I saw the other day that the application process to become a legal citizen has now been delayed up to a year and a half longer for no actual logistical reason. Republicans just want to make it harder for any immigrant to become a citizen. I knew I was right.
Sickness, why should it be easy to become a US citizen? What's wrong with the process being harder?.
The process is harder due to making the wait time take longer for someone who's ready to become a citizen. It has nothing to do with making it more difficult in terms of qualifying to become a citizen. Here's the article for you to read. You are free to explain how I'm wrong, of course.
Sickness, why should it be easy to become a US citizen? What's wrong with the process being harder?.
The process is harder due to making the wait time take longer for someone who's ready to become a citizen. It has nothing to do with making it more difficult in terms of qualifying to become a citizen. Here's the article for you to read. You are free to explain how I'm wrong, of course.
The Republicans got smoked. I've seen everyone spin the election results their various ways but I know that they did not do well. They should really have been able to add 5 to 10 Senate seats based on having the advantage of home field, if you get my drift. Instead, they're going to make marginal gains at best and lost control of the House. I never thought the Democrats could take the Senate because it wasn't realistic. The House controls budgets, though and it does investigations. I think that's important since I've been complaining nonstop about printing devalued money and the dollar losing value overall. I don't care if the average moron doesn't understand how bad that is. I do grasp it and I'm pissed off! The public would be mad as well if they actually understood what's really going on.
However, my personal feelings don't matter. It was easy to see Democrats would likely win the House based on a couple of things that everyone dismissed before. They didn't consider whether it mattered if Congress ever checks Trump. The public watched Republicans allow Trump do whatever he wanted, no matter what, all of the time. I believe roughly 50% of Republicans polled would support Trump being a king. Now think about how the other voters feel about it. They don't like it. They want a system of checks and balances, geniuses. The second problem Republicans have is that they purged moderates from their party. I think this is something they can't fix, by the way. They refuse to vote for any Republican who considers compromising and as a result, they will only elect hardliners in their primaries who are polarizing and aggressive. They don't want meek politicians who cave in easily. That's great. I honestly believe they have the right to feel that way. However, it's extremely hard to win in competitive districts with those candidates.
I'm going to use the same example I posted on an article the other day. Charlie Dent left office. He's a reasonable Republican I'd actually vote for and you need to understand that I really won't vote for too many Republicans. There are other Americans who probably would do the same thing. They just can't do it now that Republicans aren't offering them any. I believe the Republicans are too stubborn to admit they're wrong and to consider rebranding the party. Personally, I think it's great because the Democrats have a better playing field in 2020 and the Republicans are going to double down. They need to learn a lesson and it'll temporarily give Democrats power. I said multiple times on articles that Republicans would actually be damaging themselves and that Democrats still don't know how to strategize well. They did this to themselves. I see Republicans as loudmouths who can't shut the hell up for one day and need to insert their opinions into every conversation. They think that the 2016 election results now validate every moronic thought stewing inside their heads. That's why you see so many of them commenting on articles in the first place. They're so smart and right about everything and want everyone to know. The silent majority. Ha! I happen to feel they sound like crass animals and many of them lie incessantly. It has forced me to win debates on articles to show the public why Republicans can't be trusted. I'd give myself a fairly great record mainly due to the majority of them just clicking thumbs down or insulting me. It's rare any of them display intellect or the ability to articulate. I recall mentioning on here how I didn't trust them on immigration. So I pointed out I saw the other day that the application process to become a legal citizen has now been delayed up to a year and a half longer for no actual logistical reason. Republicans just want to make it harder for any immigrant to become a citizen. I knew I was right.
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Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:
The Republicans got smoked. I've seen everyone spin the election results their various ways but I know that they did not do well. They should really have been able to add 5 to 10 Senate seats based on having the advantage of home field, if you get my drift. Instead, they're going to make marginal gains at best and lost control of the House. I never thought the Democrats could take the Senate because it wasn't realistic. The House controls budgets, though and it does investigations. I think that's important since I've been complaining nonstop about printing devalued money and the dollar losing value overall. I don't care if the average moron doesn't understand how bad that is. I do grasp it and I'm pissed off! The public would be mad as well if they actually understood what's really going on.
However, my personal feelings don't matter. It was easy to see Democrats would likely win the House based on a couple of things that everyone dismissed before. They didn't consider whether it mattered if Congress ever checks Trump. The public watched Republicans allow Trump do whatever he wanted, no matter what, all of the time. I believe roughly 50% of Republicans polled would support Trump being a king. Now think about how the other voters feel about it. They don't like it. They want a system of checks and balances, geniuses. The second problem Republicans have is that they purged moderates from their party. I think this is something they can't fix, by the way. They refuse to vote for any Republican who considers compromising and as a result, they will only elect hardliners in their primaries who are polarizing and aggressive. They don't want meek politicians who cave in easily. That's great. I honestly believe they have the right to feel that way. However, it's extremely hard to win in competitive districts with those candidates.
I'm going to use the same example I posted on an article the other day. Charlie Dent left office. He's a reasonable Republican I'd actually vote for and you need to understand that I really won't vote for too many Republicans. There are other Americans who probably would do the same thing. They just can't do it now that Republicans aren't offering them any. I believe the Republicans are too stubborn to admit they're wrong and to consider rebranding the party. Personally, I think it's great because the Democrats have a better playing field in 2020 and the Republicans are going to double down. They need to learn a lesson and it'll temporarily give Democrats power. I said multiple times on articles that Republicans would actually be damaging themselves and that Democrats still don't know how to strategize well. They did this to themselves. I see Republicans as loudmouths who can't shut the hell up for one day and need to insert their opinions into every conversation. They think that the 2016 election results now validate every moronic thought stewing inside their heads. That's why you see so many of them commenting on articles in the first place. They're so smart and right about everything and want everyone to know. The silent majority. Ha! I happen to feel they sound like crass animals and many of them lie incessantly. It has forced me to win debates on articles to show the public why Republicans can't be trusted. I'd give myself a fairly great record mainly due to the majority of them just clicking thumbs down or insulting me. It's rare any of them display intellect or the ability to articulate. I recall mentioning on here how I didn't trust them on immigration. So I pointed out I saw the other day that the application process to become a legal citizen has now been delayed up to a year and a half longer for no actual logistical reason. Republicans just want to make it harder for any immigrant to become a citizen. I knew I was right.
Sickness, why should it be easy to become a US citizen? What's wrong with the process being harder?.
The process is harder due to making the wait time take longer for someone who's ready to become a citizen. It has nothing to do with making it more difficult in terms of qualifying to become a citizen. Here's the article for you to read. You are free to explain how I'm wrong, of course.www.yahoo.com/news/wait-times-citizenship-applications-stretch-2-years-160531774.html
There's no need to read the article because I wasn't questioning you on it's content nor saying that you were wrong about anything. I'm asking, in your opinion, why shouldn't be harder to become a US citizen? Why shouldn't it take longer? As I have said many times, membership has it's advantages but it doesn't come easy. Nor should it.
TIME TO BRING BACK THE OBAMA CAGES!
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Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Sickness, why should it be easy to become a US citizen? What's wrong with the process being harder?.
The process is harder due to making the wait time take longer for someone who's ready to become a citizen. It has nothing to do with making it more difficult in terms of qualifying to become a citizen. Here's the article for you to read. You are free to explain how I'm wrong, of course.www.yahoo.com/news/wait-times-citizenship-applications-stretch-2-years-160531774.html
There's no need to read the article because I wasn't questioning you on it's content nor saying that you were wrong about anything. I'm asking, in your opinion, why shouldn't be harder to become a US citizen? Why shouldn't it take longer? As I have said many times, membership has it's advantages but it doesn't come easy. Nor should it.
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