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    REDUCING GUN VIOLENCE and MASS MURDER in America: a reasonable solution?

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    Posted: May. 29, 2022 - 11:36 PM ET #51

    Exactly and this extends to virtually every problem area in our country. The country would support reasonable measures but nothing ever gets done
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    Posted: May. 29, 2022 - 11:36 PM ET #52

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    PART 8

    COST/BENEFIT ANALYSIS:
    Lots to consider.   More to follow.

    First, it is just logical reasoning that if we regulate and make gun ownership much more expensive, gun ownership should drop precipitously, which is the goal. It has been proven all over the world, and this is entirely logical, where there are fewer guns, there is less gun related crimes. And when the costs are made high, then it becomes extremely unlikely that an 18 year old can make Buffalo or Uvalde happen again. Or anyone else for that matter.

    an_light Higher costs means less guns, and less gun violence.

    Reminder, the goal here is to REDUCE both frequency and magnitude of gun related violence, while it is fully understood that this will not eliminate gun violence altogether.

    I haven't worked it all out yet, but these are a few that come to mind:

    1. Lives saved! This should be an obvious result of fewer guns, given the statistical data that proves it. It is #1 priority regardless cost!!

    2. Increased revenues to our government, state and federal, which can be used for mental health programs, drug treatment programs, etc

    3. Increased revenues for private sector insurance businesses!

    4. Increased private sector employment nationwide among insurance companies needing to cover the additional "gun insurance" loads!

    5. Reduced taxpayer costs, hospitalizations, PTSD counselling, etc, resulting in taxpayer savings.

    6. Reduced policing/security costs for schools and some other businesses.

    7. Vastly reduced community stress & anxiety, resulting in improved happiness and productivity. This one is very difficult to quantify but it is logical.

    8.   ??

    9.   ??

    10.  ??

    A few good ideas in there for sure.   Dr.Strangelove added some good ideas too, and people don't realize how this would generate revenues and jobs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    PART 8

    COST/BENEFIT ANALYSIS:
    Lots to consider.   More to follow.

    First, it is just logical reasoning that if we regulate and make gun ownership much more expensive, gun ownership should drop precipitously, which is the goal. It has been proven all over the world, and this is entirely logical, where there are fewer guns, there is less gun related crimes. And when the costs are made high, then it becomes extremely unlikely that an 18 year old can make Buffalo or Uvalde happen again. Or anyone else for that matter.

    an_light Higher costs means less guns, and less gun violence.

    Reminder, the goal here is to REDUCE both frequency and magnitude of gun related violence, while it is fully understood that this will not eliminate gun violence altogether.

    I haven't worked it all out yet, but these are a few that come to mind:

    1. Lives saved! This should be an obvious result of fewer guns, given the statistical data that proves it. It is #1 priority regardless cost!!

    2. Increased revenues to our government, state and federal, which can be used for mental health programs, drug treatment programs, etc

    3. Increased revenues for private sector insurance businesses!

    4. Increased private sector employment nationwide among insurance companies needing to cover the additional "gun insurance" loads!

    5. Reduced taxpayer costs, hospitalizations, PTSD counselling, etc, resulting in taxpayer savings.

    6. Reduced policing/security costs for schools and some other businesses.

    7. Vastly reduced community stress & anxiety, resulting in improved happiness and productivity. This one is very difficult to quantify but it is logical.

    8.   ??

    9.   ??

    10.  ??

    A few good ideas in there for sure.   Dr.Strangelove added some good ideas too, and people don't realize how this would generate revenues and jobs!

     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2022 - 3:54 PM ET #53

    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

       PART 6 


    an_light BULLET TAXES:    (this great idea came courtesy Dr.Strangelove)

     

    an_lightEvery bullet sold in America will be levied a "bullet tax" of $1 over and above the point of sale bullet cost.
    (no tax on bullets bought and used only when shooting at govt certified target ranges, and no bullet tax to police forces, security, or active military)
    All spent shell casings or unused bullets must be left at target range front desk before exiting the facility.

    an_light All bullet purchases will require a valid "gun owner license" card and your gun owner license # will be seen on the receipt.


    an_light All gun, mag, and bullet purchases are immediately sent to a national database!

    When the total # of bullets purchased outside of a licensed target shooting range, hits over 15, local police are alerted and you will be contacted for explanation.
    You may purchase bullets without bullet taxes provided spent shell casings are turned over at the point of sale. One bullet allowed per spent casing without tax. 

     

    peace_5  I would love to see such a "bullet tax" implimented.....with exceptions noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

       PART 6 


    an_light BULLET TAXES:    (this great idea came courtesy Dr.Strangelove)

     

    an_lightEvery bullet sold in America will be levied a "bullet tax" of $1 over and above the point of sale bullet cost.
    (no tax on bullets bought and used only when shooting at govt certified target ranges, and no bullet tax to police forces, security, or active military)
    All spent shell casings or unused bullets must be left at target range front desk before exiting the facility.

    an_light All bullet purchases will require a valid "gun owner license" card and your gun owner license # will be seen on the receipt.


    an_light All gun, mag, and bullet purchases are immediately sent to a national database!

    When the total # of bullets purchased outside of a licensed target shooting range, hits over 15, local police are alerted and you will be contacted for explanation.
    You may purchase bullets without bullet taxes provided spent shell casings are turned over at the point of sale. One bullet allowed per spent casing without tax. 

     

    peace_5  I would love to see such a "bullet tax" implimented.....with exceptions noted.

     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2022 - 4:52 PM ET #54

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    @StumpTownStu  And doing nothing, which is the norm, has done what to accomplish a reduction?

    obvious          doing nothiing accomplishes nothing to reduce these horrible events

    the case i see being made here is making efforts to reduce the violence     i am fairly certain we all understand nothing will totally eliminate all violence    

    but every effort should b made to reduce it  

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    @StumpTownStu  And doing nothing, which is the norm, has done what to accomplish a reduction?

    obvious          doing nothiing accomplishes nothing to reduce these horrible events

    the case i see being made here is making efforts to reduce the violence     i am fairly certain we all understand nothing will totally eliminate all violence    

    but every effort should b made to reduce it  

     
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    Posted: May. 30, 2022 - 6:24 PM ET #55

    HEADLINES today ...

     

    Dumbass GOP Senator Berated
    For Defending Slow Police Response
    To Uvalde Massacre

     

    Republican Sen. John Cornyn defended law enforcers, 
    who waited nearly an hour to storm Robb Elementary School
    as children were being massacred inside.

    J. Harvey, HUFFPOST -

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    HEADLINES today ...

     

    Dumbass GOP Senator Berated
    For Defending Slow Police Response
    To Uvalde Massacre

     

    Republican Sen. John Cornyn defended law enforcers, 
    who waited nearly an hour to storm Robb Elementary School
    as children were being massacred inside.

    J. Harvey, HUFFPOST -

     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2022 - 10:40 AM ET #56

    According to the non-profit Mental Health America,
    TEXAS ranks 51st for access to mental health care
    (based on treatment access, quality, cost, insurance)

     


    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott *defunded* his own
    Texas Health and Human Services Commission
    (they handle mental health in the state)
    each of the past two years.

    2021    -$117,347,952
    2022    -$93,382,076

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    According to the non-profit Mental Health America,
    TEXAS ranks 51st for access to mental health care
    (based on treatment access, quality, cost, insurance)

     


    Texas Gov. Greg Abbott *defunded* his own
    Texas Health and Human Services Commission
    (they handle mental health in the state)
    each of the past two years.

    2021    -$117,347,952
    2022    -$93,382,076

     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2022 - 12:27 PM ET #57

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    According to the non-profit Mental Health America,
    TEXAS ranks 51st for access to mental health care
    (based on treatment access, quality, cost, insurance)

     

    Gov. Greg Abbott *defunded* his own
    Texas Health and Human Services Commission
    (they handle mental health in the state)
    each of the past two years.

    2021    -$117,347,952
    2022    -$93,382,076

    Per an in depth CNN review,

    in the years 2009 - 2018 the U.S. recorded 288 school shootings

    By comparison to other countries who also have mental health issues to deal with but who have much stricter gun laws:

    2  Canada
    2  France
    1  Germany
    0  Japan
    0  Italy
    0  UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    According to the non-profit Mental Health America,
    TEXAS ranks 51st for access to mental health care
    (based on treatment access, quality, cost, insurance)

     

    Gov. Greg Abbott *defunded* his own
    Texas Health and Human Services Commission
    (they handle mental health in the state)
    each of the past two years.

    2021    -$117,347,952
    2022    -$93,382,076

    Per an in depth CNN review,

    in the years 2009 - 2018 the U.S. recorded 288 school shootings

    By comparison to other countries who also have mental health issues to deal with but who have much stricter gun laws:

    2  Canada
    2  France
    1  Germany
    0  Japan
    0  Italy
    0  UK

     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2022 - 12:56 PM ET #58

     

     

     In a gun-related gaffe Biden claimed that 9mm guns are "high caliber weapons" that can blow a person's lung out of their body.

    Recalling a visit to a New York trauma hospital, Biden said doctors showed him X-rays of gunshot wounds, and "They said a .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out — may be able to get it and save the life. A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body," Biden said. "So, the idea of these high-caliber weapons is, uh, there’s simply no rational basis for it in terms of self-protection, hunting," Biden added. "Remember, the constitution was never absolute."

     Robby Starbuck, a congressional candidate shared Biden's video and wrote, "A 9MM bullet blows the lung out of the body" has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. Joe Biden is an imbecile. Why do the people who know the least about guns want to yap their gums the most about guns? What part of "Shall NOT be infringed" do they not get?"

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     In a gun-related gaffe Biden claimed that 9mm guns are "high caliber weapons" that can blow a person's lung out of their body.

    Recalling a visit to a New York trauma hospital, Biden said doctors showed him X-rays of gunshot wounds, and "They said a .22-caliber bullet will lodge in the lung, and we can probably get it out — may be able to get it and save the life. A 9mm bullet blows the lung out of the body," Biden said. "So, the idea of these high-caliber weapons is, uh, there’s simply no rational basis for it in terms of self-protection, hunting," Biden added. "Remember, the constitution was never absolute."

     Robby Starbuck, a congressional candidate shared Biden's video and wrote, "A 9MM bullet blows the lung out of the body" has to be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. Joe Biden is an imbecile. Why do the people who know the least about guns want to yap their gums the most about guns? What part of "Shall NOT be infringed" do they not get?"

     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2022 - 3:31 PM ET #59

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    HEADLINES today ...   Dumbass GOP Senator Berated For Defending Slow Police Response To Uvalde Massacre   Republican Sen. John Cornyn defended law enforcers,  who waited nearly an hour to storm Robb Elementary School as children were being massacred inside. J. Harvey, HUFFPOST -

     

    Disgusting

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    HEADLINES today ...   Dumbass GOP Senator Berated For Defending Slow Police Response To Uvalde Massacre   Republican Sen. John Cornyn defended law enforcers,  who waited nearly an hour to storm Robb Elementary School as children were being massacred inside. J. Harvey, HUFFPOST -

     

    Disgusting

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: May. 31, 2022 - 3:32 PM ET #60

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12: @StumpTownStu  And doing nothing, which is the norm, has done what to accomplish a reduction? obvious          doing nothiing accomplishes nothing to reduce these horrible events the case i see being made here is making efforts to reduce the violence     i am fairly certain we all understand nothing will totally eliminate all violence     but every effort should b made to reduce it

     

    That should always be the whole point.

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12: @StumpTownStu  And doing nothing, which is the norm, has done what to accomplish a reduction? obvious          doing nothiing accomplishes nothing to reduce these horrible events the case i see being made here is making efforts to reduce the violence     i am fairly certain we all understand nothing will totally eliminate all violence     but every effort should b made to reduce it

     

    That should always be the whole point.

     

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    PART 8

    COST/BENEFIT ANALYSIS:
    Lots to consider.   More to follow.

    First, it is just logical reasoning that if we regulate and make gun ownership much more expensive, gun ownership should drop precipitously, which is the goal. It has been proven all over the world, and this is entirely logical, where there are fewer guns, there is less gun related crimes. And when the costs are made high, then it becomes extremely unlikely that an 18 year old can make Buffalo or Uvalde happen again. Or anyone else for that matter.

    an_light Higher costs means less guns, and less gun violence.

    Reminder, the goal here is to REDUCE both frequency and magnitude of gun related violence, while it is fully understood that this will not eliminate gun violence altogether.

    I haven't worked it all out yet, but these are a few that come to mind:

    1. Lives saved! This should be an obvious result of fewer guns, given the statistical data that proves it. It is #1 priority regardless cost!!

    2. Increased revenues to our government, state and federal, which can be used for mental health programs, drug treatment programs, etc

    3. Increased revenues for private sector insurance businesses!

    4. Increased private sector employment nationwide among insurance companies needing to cover the additional "gun insurance" loads!

    5. Reduced taxpayer costs, hospitalizations, PTSD counselling, etc, resulting in taxpayer savings.

    6. Reduced policing/security costs for schools and some other businesses.

    7. Vastly reduced community stress & anxiety, resulting in improved happiness and productivity. This one is very difficult to quantify but it is logical.

    8.   ??

    9.   ??

    10.  ??

    I had not given any thought that such a plan would actually increase employment  but it's logical this would occur in both private and public sectors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeus4par:

    PART 8

    COST/BENEFIT ANALYSIS:
    Lots to consider.   More to follow.

    First, it is just logical reasoning that if we regulate and make gun ownership much more expensive, gun ownership should drop precipitously, which is the goal. It has been proven all over the world, and this is entirely logical, where there are fewer guns, there is less gun related crimes. And when the costs are made high, then it becomes extremely unlikely that an 18 year old can make Buffalo or Uvalde happen again. Or anyone else for that matter.

    an_light Higher costs means less guns, and less gun violence.

    Reminder, the goal here is to REDUCE both frequency and magnitude of gun related violence, while it is fully understood that this will not eliminate gun violence altogether.

    I haven't worked it all out yet, but these are a few that come to mind:

    1. Lives saved! This should be an obvious result of fewer guns, given the statistical data that proves it. It is #1 priority regardless cost!!

    2. Increased revenues to our government, state and federal, which can be used for mental health programs, drug treatment programs, etc

    3. Increased revenues for private sector insurance businesses!

    4. Increased private sector employment nationwide among insurance companies needing to cover the additional "gun insurance" loads!

    5. Reduced taxpayer costs, hospitalizations, PTSD counselling, etc, resulting in taxpayer savings.

    6. Reduced policing/security costs for schools and some other businesses.

    7. Vastly reduced community stress & anxiety, resulting in improved happiness and productivity. This one is very difficult to quantify but it is logical.

    8.   ??

    9.   ??

    10.  ??

    I had not given any thought that such a plan would actually increase employment  but it's logical this would occur in both private and public sectors.

     
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    Republican bonehead, Ron Johnson
    Literally Blames Uvalde Shooting
    on ‘CRT’ 

     

    Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) not only said this week that he opposes any new gun laws to address mass shootings, but he also blamed critical race theory for the horrific Uvalde school massacre that left 19 young children dead.

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    Republican bonehead, Ron Johnson
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    on ‘CRT’ 

     

    Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) not only said this week that he opposes any new gun laws to address mass shootings, but he also blamed critical race theory for the horrific Uvalde school massacre that left 19 young children dead.

     
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    “The mainstream media is Domestic Terrorists.”

    That’s a tweet the Republican Party of Arizona posted
    Tuesday afternoon. It was later deleted, but not before
    the account doubled down in another tweet (also deleted).

    It’s absurd and meant to fire up a base that lives for this
    kind of nonsense. But let’s be clear here, there is never
    a good time to say something this stupid.
    Right now is an incredibly bad time.

    The country is still reeling from the murders
    of 19 school children and two teachers in Uvalde, Texas.

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    “The mainstream media is Domestic Terrorists.”

    That’s a tweet the Republican Party of Arizona posted
    Tuesday afternoon. It was later deleted, but not before
    the account doubled down in another tweet (also deleted).

    It’s absurd and meant to fire up a base that lives for this
    kind of nonsense. But let’s be clear here, there is never
    a good time to say something this stupid.
    Right now is an incredibly bad time.

    The country is still reeling from the murders
    of 19 school children and two teachers in Uvalde, Texas.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Republican bonehead, Ron Johnson Literally Blames Uvalde Shooting on ‘CRT’    Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) not only said this week that he opposes any new gun laws to address mass shootings, but he also blamed critical race theory for the horrific Uvalde school massacre that left 19 young children dead.

    Ron Johnson is a fucking idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Republican bonehead, Ron Johnson Literally Blames Uvalde Shooting on ‘CRT’    Sen. Ron Johnson (R-WI) not only said this week that he opposes any new gun laws to address mass shootings, but he also blamed critical race theory for the horrific Uvalde school massacre that left 19 young children dead.

    Ron Johnson is a fucking idiot.

     
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    People can laugh and jeer about the likelyhood of all these proposals ever making serious headway, but under analysis making it all more expensive and inconvenient has strong merit and they could work and solve a huge portion of the problems. 

    But alas no political will.

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    People can laugh and jeer about the likelyhood of all these proposals ever making serious headway, but under analysis making it all more expensive and inconvenient has strong merit and they could work and solve a huge portion of the problems. 

    But alas no political will.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    People can laugh and jeer about the likelyhood of all these proposals ever making serious headway, but under analysis making it all more expensive and inconvenient has strong merit and they could work and solve a huge portion of the problems.  But alas no political will.

     

    Banning sale of "body armour" to citizens without government approval (normally only for police, military, security, and first responders) is another that should be added.

    Midnight1 brought that one up and it's a good point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baish2012:

    People can laugh and jeer about the likelyhood of all these proposals ever making serious headway, but under analysis making it all more expensive and inconvenient has strong merit and they could work and solve a huge portion of the problems.  But alas no political will.

     

    Banning sale of "body armour" to citizens without government approval (normally only for police, military, security, and first responders) is another that should be added.

    Midnight1 brought that one up and it's a good point.

     
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    an_police  House member plans to introduce a bill that would hit AR-15s with a 1,000% tax

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    Rep. Don Beyer of Virginia, a member of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, wants to impose a 1,000% excise tax on such semiautomatic rifles.

    "What it's intended to do is provide another creative pathway
    to actually make some sensible gun control happen,"
    Beyer told Insider.

    an_light New AR-15-style guns cost anywhere from $500 to over $2,000 depending on location, NBC News reported. That means a 1,000% tax on the weapons would add $5,000 to $20,000 to their final sales prices — and would probably keep them out of reach from many younger Americans.

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    Rep. Don Beyer of Virginia, a member of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, wants to impose a 1,000% excise tax on such semiautomatic rifles.

    "What it's intended to do is provide another creative pathway
    to actually make some sensible gun control happen,"
    Beyer told Insider.

    an_light New AR-15-style guns cost anywhere from $500 to over $2,000 depending on location, NBC News reported. That means a 1,000% tax on the weapons would add $5,000 to $20,000 to their final sales prices — and would probably keep them out of reach from many younger Americans.

     
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    According to a CBS News poll, 44% of Republicans say that Americans just “have to accept” mass shootings.

    What the fvck is wrong with these people?

     

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    According to a CBS News poll, 44% of Republicans say that Americans just “have to accept” mass shootings.

    What the fvck is wrong with these people?

     

     
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    Sadly, second amendment has been so misinterpreted that some people believe gun violence is part of freedom.  But many countries with stricter gun control have more freedom than the US.  Polls also show misguided people believe Trump's claim about stolen election despite lack of evidences.  They rather believe conspiracy theories instead of the truth.

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    Sadly, second amendment has been so misinterpreted that some people believe gun violence is part of freedom.  But many countries with stricter gun control have more freedom than the US.  Polls also show misguided people believe Trump's claim about stolen election despite lack of evidences.  They rather believe conspiracy theories instead of the truth.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Sadly, second amendment has been so misinterpreted that some people believe gun violence is part of freedom.  But many countries with stricter gun control have more freedom than the US.  Polls also show misguided people believe Trump's claim about stolen election despite lack of evidences.  They rather believe conspiracy theories instead of the truth.

     

    Please, tell us more about this...

    Where are people trying to move to get more freedom then they may have in the US? an_popcorn

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Sadly, second amendment has been so misinterpreted that some people believe gun violence is part of freedom.  But many countries with stricter gun control have more freedom than the US.  Polls also show misguided people believe Trump's claim about stolen election despite lack of evidences.  They rather believe conspiracy theories instead of the truth.

     

    Please, tell us more about this...

    Where are people trying to move to get more freedom then they may have in the US? an_popcorn

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Sadly, second amendment has been so misinterpreted that some people believe gun violence is part of freedom.  But many countries with stricter gun control have more freedom than the US.  Polls also show misguided people believe Trump's claim about stolen election despite lack of evidences.  They rather believe conspiracy theories instead of the truth.   Please, tell us more about this... Where are people trying to move to get more freedom then they may have in the US?
    I've heard a few Trumpers say that they would consider moving if Trump lost in 2024. I told them I would be happy to help them pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Sadly, second amendment has been so misinterpreted that some people believe gun violence is part of freedom.  But many countries with stricter gun control have more freedom than the US.  Polls also show misguided people believe Trump's claim about stolen election despite lack of evidences.  They rather believe conspiracy theories instead of the truth.   Please, tell us more about this... Where are people trying to move to get more freedom then they may have in the US?
    I've heard a few Trumpers say that they would consider moving if Trump lost in 2024. I told them I would be happy to help them pack.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Sadly, second amendment has been so misinterpreted that some people believe gun violence is part of freedom.  But many countries with stricter gun control have more freedom than the US.  Polls also show misguided people believe Trump's claim about stolen election despite lack of evidences.  They rather believe conspiracy theories instead of the truth.

    I’m more interested in how the second amendment has been ‘so misinterpreted’.  I also didn’t realize there was a big ‘conspiracy’ to get people to accept gun violence is part of freedom.  Unless this is a Democrat-led conspiracy, so they do not have to punish the folks that commit crimes — especially, gun crimes.  

    Just for good measure, mention Trump somehow to ‘emphasize’ your point some way?  No clue what those two thoughts have to do with each other.  Wow.  Could have at least picked two somewhat related conspiracy theories.  Because for sure Republicans do not believe this ‘theory’ of having to accept gun violence.  

    A better theory would have been that the Left has been led to believe it is okay to keep criminals on the streets to commit gun violence and then more gun violence.  

    Or the ‘theory’ that the Left actually believes making it harder for law-abiding citizens to have guns — will somehow deter the real criminals with guns?   

    Now those I could see related, maybe.  

    Yeah.  I’m thinking that is one of the least informed paragraphs I have ever read.  confused

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Sadly, second amendment has been so misinterpreted that some people believe gun violence is part of freedom.  But many countries with stricter gun control have more freedom than the US.  Polls also show misguided people believe Trump's claim about stolen election despite lack of evidences.  They rather believe conspiracy theories instead of the truth.

    I’m more interested in how the second amendment has been ‘so misinterpreted’.  I also didn’t realize there was a big ‘conspiracy’ to get people to accept gun violence is part of freedom.  Unless this is a Democrat-led conspiracy, so they do not have to punish the folks that commit crimes — especially, gun crimes.  

    Just for good measure, mention Trump somehow to ‘emphasize’ your point some way?  No clue what those two thoughts have to do with each other.  Wow.  Could have at least picked two somewhat related conspiracy theories.  Because for sure Republicans do not believe this ‘theory’ of having to accept gun violence.  

    A better theory would have been that the Left has been led to believe it is okay to keep criminals on the streets to commit gun violence and then more gun violence.  

    Or the ‘theory’ that the Left actually believes making it harder for law-abiding citizens to have guns — will somehow deter the real criminals with guns?   

    Now those I could see related, maybe.  

    Yeah.  I’m thinking that is one of the least informed paragraphs I have ever read.  confused

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Sadly, second amendment has been so misinterpreted that some people believe gun violence is part of freedom.  But many countries with stricter gun control have more freedom than the US.  Polls also show misguided people believe Trump's claim about stolen election despite lack of evidences.  They rather believe conspiracy theories instead of the truth.   Please, tell us more about this... Where are people trying to move to get more freedom then they may have in the US?I've heard a few Trumpers say that they would consider moving if Trump lost in 2024. I told them I would be happy to help them pack.

    Were you attempting to answer the part in bold?  Or were you also just throwing out something that had nothing related to what he said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrStrangelove:

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Sadly, second amendment has been so misinterpreted that some people believe gun violence is part of freedom.  But many countries with stricter gun control have more freedom than the US.  Polls also show misguided people believe Trump's claim about stolen election despite lack of evidences.  They rather believe conspiracy theories instead of the truth.   Please, tell us more about this... Where are people trying to move to get more freedom then they may have in the US?I've heard a few Trumpers say that they would consider moving if Trump lost in 2024. I told them I would be happy to help them pack.

    Were you attempting to answer the part in bold?  Or were you also just throwing out something that had nothing related to what he said?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Sadly, second amendment has been so misinterpreted that some people believe gun violence is part of freedom.  But many countries with stricter gun control have more freedom than the US.  Polls also show misguided people believe Trump's claim about stolen election despite lack of evidences.  They rather believe conspiracy theories instead of the truth. I’m more interested in how the second amendment has been ‘so misinterpreted’.  I also didn’t realize there was a big ‘conspiracy’ to get people to accept gun violence is part of freedom.  Unless this is a Democrat-led conspiracy, so they do not have to punish the folks that commit crimes — especially, gun crimes.   Just for good measure, mention Trump somehow to ‘emphasize’ your point some way?  No clue what those two thoughts have to do with each other.  Wow.  Could have at least picked two somewhat related conspiracy theories.  Because for sure Republicans do not believe this ‘theory’ of having to accept gun violence.   A better theory would have been that the Left has been led to believe it is okay to keep criminals on the streets to commit gun violence and then more gun violence.   Or the ‘theory’ that the Left actually believes making it harder for law-abiding citizens to have guns — will somehow deter the real criminals with guns?    Now those I could see related, maybe.   Yeah.  I’m thinking that is one of the least informed paragraphs I have ever read.

     

    Now you see how the left operates their bots...side note: did covers sell out to fakebook and twater?? I think I recall someone saying covers sold out which would explain how the big dogs are trying to sensor and minipulate perception through bots like third. You can ask the bot questions all day, they'll never respond. They're not programmed to answer, unless they created MrWhatADork on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson: Sadly, second amendment has been so misinterpreted that some people believe gun violence is part of freedom.  But many countries with stricter gun control have more freedom than the US.  Polls also show misguided people believe Trump's claim about stolen election despite lack of evidences.  They rather believe conspiracy theories instead of the truth. I’m more interested in how the second amendment has been ‘so misinterpreted’.  I also didn’t realize there was a big ‘conspiracy’ to get people to accept gun violence is part of freedom.  Unless this is a Democrat-led conspiracy, so they do not have to punish the folks that commit crimes — especially, gun crimes.   Just for good measure, mention Trump somehow to ‘emphasize’ your point some way?  No clue what those two thoughts have to do with each other.  Wow.  Could have at least picked two somewhat related conspiracy theories.  Because for sure Republicans do not believe this ‘theory’ of having to accept gun violence.   A better theory would have been that the Left has been led to believe it is okay to keep criminals on the streets to commit gun violence and then more gun violence.   Or the ‘theory’ that the Left actually believes making it harder for law-abiding citizens to have guns — will somehow deter the real criminals with guns?    Now those I could see related, maybe.   Yeah.  I’m thinking that is one of the least informed paragraphs I have ever read.

     

    Now you see how the left operates their bots...side note: did covers sell out to fakebook and twater?? I think I recall someone saying covers sold out which would explain how the big dogs are trying to sensor and minipulate perception through bots like third. You can ask the bot questions all day, they'll never respond. They're not programmed to answer, unless they created MrWhatADork on here.

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    House member plans to introduce a bill that would hit AR-15s with a 1,000% tax INSIDER - Rep. Don Beyer of Virginia, a member of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, wants to impose a 1,000% excise tax on such semiautomatic rifles. "What it's intended to do is provide another creative pathway to actually make some sensible gun control happen," Beyer told Insider. New AR-15-style guns cost anywhere from $500 to over $2,000 depending on location, NBC News reported. That means a 1,000% tax on the weapons would add $5,000 to $20,000 to their final sales prices — and would probably keep them out of reach from many younger Americans.

    It appears making it much more expensive could be gaining some traction.

    As it should, if  we are serious about *reducing* gun violence   thumbs_up

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    House member plans to introduce a bill that would hit AR-15s with a 1,000% tax INSIDER - Rep. Don Beyer of Virginia, a member of the tax-writing House Ways and Means Committee, wants to impose a 1,000% excise tax on such semiautomatic rifles. "What it's intended to do is provide another creative pathway to actually make some sensible gun control happen," Beyer told Insider. New AR-15-style guns cost anywhere from $500 to over $2,000 depending on location, NBC News reported. That means a 1,000% tax on the weapons would add $5,000 to $20,000 to their final sales prices — and would probably keep them out of reach from many younger Americans.

    It appears making it much more expensive could be gaining some traction.

    As it should, if  we are serious about *reducing* gun violence   thumbs_up

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