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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2021 - 4:18 PM ET #226

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: They (Blue states) will have spike proteins running wild inside the bodies of their citizens. Again. 90% of deaths caused by covid were vitamin D deficient. Now you expect citizens to excitedly go out an get an experimental mRNA injection! Lunacy in my very humble opinion.

     

    Too circle back to this, most people are vitamin D deficient and almost all of us should be taking supplements. It's especially bad for people's with darker skin but even many of our fairer skinned brethren are deficient simply because we are spending less time outside than our hunter/gatherer ancestors.

    That's a fact.

    Truth is, the advent of cable TV and then the internet, simply exacerbated this condition among most in North America.

     

    That said, still we have this FACT:


    an appropriate PEER REVIEW,  conveniently IGNORED by the tinfoil-hat-wearing op,
    as authored by Radujkovic1 and Merle, University of Heidelberg,
    department of Internal Medicine, conclude THIS about that study: [and I quote]

       "Therefore, in the absence of a randomized controlled trial on VitD treatment,
        no causal association  between VitDstatus and severity/outcome of COVID-19
        can be inferred."

    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7bdd/4316f598659c5ac6219af2d036f6f73330a9.pdf

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: They (Blue states) will have spike proteins running wild inside the bodies of their citizens. Again. 90% of deaths caused by covid were vitamin D deficient. Now you expect citizens to excitedly go out an get an experimental mRNA injection! Lunacy in my very humble opinion.

     

    Too circle back to this, most people are vitamin D deficient and almost all of us should be taking supplements. It's especially bad for people's with darker skin but even many of our fairer skinned brethren are deficient simply because we are spending less time outside than our hunter/gatherer ancestors.

    That's a fact.

    Truth is, the advent of cable TV and then the internet, simply exacerbated this condition among most in North America.

     

    That said, still we have this FACT:


    an appropriate PEER REVIEW,  conveniently IGNORED by the tinfoil-hat-wearing op,
    as authored by Radujkovic1 and Merle, University of Heidelberg,
    department of Internal Medicine, conclude THIS about that study: [and I quote]

       "Therefore, in the absence of a randomized controlled trial on VitD treatment,
        no causal association  between VitDstatus and severity/outcome of COVID-19
        can be inferred."

    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/7bdd/4316f598659c5ac6219af2d036f6f73330a9.pdf

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 8, 2021 - 1:59 PM ET #227

    CNN
    People who have been vaccinated against coronavirus are more than 90% protected
    against infection and, if they do become infected, they have milder disease than
    unvaccinated people, a new Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study shows.

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    CNN
    People who have been vaccinated against coronavirus are more than 90% protected
    against infection and, if they do become infected, they have milder disease than
    unvaccinated people, a new Centers for Disease Control and Prevention study shows.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 15, 2021 - 2:42 PM ET #228

     

    california lifts almost all covid-19 restrictions !!!

    the war on the rump-virus is almost won

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    california lifts almost all covid-19 restrictions !!!

    the war on the rump-virus is almost won

     
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    Posted: Jun. 15, 2021 - 2:58 PM ET #229

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    california lifts almost all covid-19 restrictions !!! the war on the rump-virus is almost won

     

    But Fubah said the numbers are still going up an getting worse so why is CA opening? I thought this was all Trumps fault? So why open? You two need to make up your minds and get on the same page. You're starting to go against each other.

     

    People who get the virus and are NOT vaccinated have a 99.2% chance of survival. Those with underlying conditions, preexisting conditions, elderly or obese do not have the same chance of survival and should proceed with more caution then those that are younger and healthier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    california lifts almost all covid-19 restrictions !!! the war on the rump-virus is almost won

     

    But Fubah said the numbers are still going up an getting worse so why is CA opening? I thought this was all Trumps fault? So why open? You two need to make up your minds and get on the same page. You're starting to go against each other.

     

    People who get the virus and are NOT vaccinated have a 99.2% chance of survival. Those with underlying conditions, preexisting conditions, elderly or obese do not have the same chance of survival and should proceed with more caution then those that are younger and healthier.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 15, 2021 - 3:23 PM ET #230

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

     

    california lifts almost all covid-19 restrictions !!!

    the war on the rump-virus is almost won

     

     

    Almost!

    Thank God for President Biden and his full-court press to distribute vaccines!

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

     

    california lifts almost all covid-19 restrictions !!!

    the war on the rump-virus is almost won

     

     

    Almost!

    Thank God for President Biden and his full-court press to distribute vaccines!

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 16, 2021 - 3:22 PM ET #231

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Thank God for President Biden and his full-court press to distribute vaccines!

    Cases of a dangerous Covid-19 variant
    are 'rapidly increasing' in US, expert says

    The good news is that current vaccines appear to be effective against the Delta variant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Thank God for President Biden and his full-court press to distribute vaccines!

    Cases of a dangerous Covid-19 variant
    are 'rapidly increasing' in US, expert says

    The good news is that current vaccines appear to be effective against the Delta variant.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 17, 2021 - 11:58 AM ET #232

    US Supreme Court has upheld the Affordable Care Act as law of the Land. 

    https://news.yahoo.com/the-supreme-court-upheld-the-affordable-care-act-also-known-as-obamacare-in-a-thursday-morning-ruling-retaining-health-care-for-millions-of-americans-150134171.html

    Millions of Americans will benefit and have peace of mind for long time to come in terms of their health insurances. It's a great day for millions of Americans out of the High Court in the land.

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    US Supreme Court has upheld the Affordable Care Act as law of the Land. 

    https://news.yahoo.com/the-supreme-court-upheld-the-affordable-care-act-also-known-as-obamacare-in-a-thursday-morning-ruling-retaining-health-care-for-millions-of-americans-150134171.html

    Millions of Americans will benefit and have peace of mind for long time to come in terms of their health insurances. It's a great day for millions of Americans out of the High Court in the land.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 17, 2021 - 5:06 PM ET #233

    @Europa

     Great news.

    Hopefully we can start addressing the high cost of prescriptions.

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    @Europa

     Great news.

    Hopefully we can start addressing the high cost of prescriptions.

    an_clap

     
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    Posted: Jun. 17, 2021 - 6:49 PM ET #234

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @Europa  Great news. Hopefully we can start addressing the high cost of prescriptions.

     

    yep drug costs have to come down !

    like they r real cheap in canada

    another thing they r good at

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @Europa  Great news. Hopefully we can start addressing the high cost of prescriptions.

     

    yep drug costs have to come down !

    like they r real cheap in canada

    another thing they r good at

     
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    Posted: Jun. 17, 2021 - 8:06 PM ET #235

    A federal judge wants every attorney whose name was on court filings seeking to overturn Michigan's presidential election results in the "Kraken" suit there to show up for a sanctions hearing on July 6.

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    A federal judge wants every attorney whose name was on court filings seeking to overturn Michigan's presidential election results in the "Kraken" suit there to show up for a sanctions hearing on July 6.

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    Posted: Jun. 18, 2021 - 8:46 PM ET #236

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    trump's US Supreme Court has upheld the Affordable Care Act as law of the Land. 

    https://news.yahoo.com/the-supreme-court-upheld-the-affordable-care-act-also-known-as-obamacare-in-a-thursday-morning-ruling-retaining-health-care-for-millions-of-americans-150134171.html

    Millions of Americans will benefit and have peace of mind for long time to come in terms of their health insurances.

    It's a great day for millions of Americans out of the Highest Court in the land.

    Ironically, trump had previously, on multiple occasions, PROMISED to completely rid America of ObamaCare.

    Promises made (only for republicans of course) and promises NOT delivered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    trump's US Supreme Court has upheld the Affordable Care Act as law of the Land. 

    https://news.yahoo.com/the-supreme-court-upheld-the-affordable-care-act-also-known-as-obamacare-in-a-thursday-morning-ruling-retaining-health-care-for-millions-of-americans-150134171.html

    Millions of Americans will benefit and have peace of mind for long time to come in terms of their health insurances.

    It's a great day for millions of Americans out of the Highest Court in the land.

    Ironically, trump had previously, on multiple occasions, PROMISED to completely rid America of ObamaCare.

    Promises made (only for republicans of course) and promises NOT delivered.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2021 - 2:26 AM ET #237

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @Europa  Great news. Hopefully we can start addressing the high cost of prescriptions.

    Indeed, we need to lower the cost of prescription drugs for sure. But it's tough to tackle this issue and at the same time not to hinder the advancement of new pharmaceutical innovations. 

    Here I have found an interesting article to tackle such issue,

    https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/journal-article/2020/dec/striking-right-balance-lowering-rx-drug-prices-innovation

    Prescription drug price is only part of enormous medical expense puzzle in this country. Back in 2012, the cost of appendectomy in US was $28,000 while it cost $3,000 in Germany*. 

    *https://www.businessinsider.com/why-an-appendectomy-costs-2800-in-the-us-and-3000-in-germany-2012-3

    In 2016, a cardiac bypass will cost $14,760 for average Japanese while American will have to pay $151,886 for the same surgery*.

    *https://healthytokyo.com/blog/cost-of-medical-care-in-japan/

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    @Europa  Great news. Hopefully we can start addressing the high cost of prescriptions.

    Indeed, we need to lower the cost of prescription drugs for sure. But it's tough to tackle this issue and at the same time not to hinder the advancement of new pharmaceutical innovations. 

    Here I have found an interesting article to tackle such issue,

    https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/journal-article/2020/dec/striking-right-balance-lowering-rx-drug-prices-innovation

    Prescription drug price is only part of enormous medical expense puzzle in this country. Back in 2012, the cost of appendectomy in US was $28,000 while it cost $3,000 in Germany*. 

    *https://www.businessinsider.com/why-an-appendectomy-costs-2800-in-the-us-and-3000-in-germany-2012-3

    In 2016, a cardiac bypass will cost $14,760 for average Japanese while American will have to pay $151,886 for the same surgery*.

    *https://healthytokyo.com/blog/cost-of-medical-care-in-japan/

     

     
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    Posted: Jun. 19, 2021 - 12:34 PM ET #238

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Indeed, we need to lower the cost of prescription drugs for sure. But it's tough to tackle this issue and at the same time not to hinder the advancement of new pharmaceutical innovations.

    Here I have found an interesting article to tackle such issue,

    https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/journal-article/2020/dec/striking-right-balance-lowering-rx-drug-prices-innovation

    Prescription drug price is only part of enormous medical expense puzzle in this country. Back in 2012, the cost of appendectomy in US was $28,000 while it cost $3,000 in Germany*.

    *https://www.businessinsider.com/why-an-appendectomy-costs-2800-in-the-us-and-3000-in-germany-2012-3

    In 2016, a cardiac bypass will cost $14,760 for average Japanese while American will have to pay $151,886 for the same surgery*.

    *https://healthytokyo.com/blog/cost-of-medical-care-in-japan/

    Free enterprize at its best?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Indeed, we need to lower the cost of prescription drugs for sure. But it's tough to tackle this issue and at the same time not to hinder the advancement of new pharmaceutical innovations.

    Here I have found an interesting article to tackle such issue,

    https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/journal-article/2020/dec/striking-right-balance-lowering-rx-drug-prices-innovation

    Prescription drug price is only part of enormous medical expense puzzle in this country. Back in 2012, the cost of appendectomy in US was $28,000 while it cost $3,000 in Germany*.

    *https://www.businessinsider.com/why-an-appendectomy-costs-2800-in-the-us-and-3000-in-germany-2012-3

    In 2016, a cardiac bypass will cost $14,760 for average Japanese while American will have to pay $151,886 for the same surgery*.

    *https://healthytokyo.com/blog/cost-of-medical-care-in-japan/

    Free enterprize at its best?

     
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    Pope Francis says the coronavirus pandemic has proven that the “magic theories” of market capitalism have failed. 

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/pope-market-capitalism-has-failed-in-pandemic-needs-reform

    A fine blend of both capitalism and socialism might save us the day, the fine blend has prevailed around the world. The vast majority of Western modernized nations have embraced universal health care system. Medicare for all, here we come.    

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    Pope Francis says the coronavirus pandemic has proven that the “magic theories” of market capitalism have failed. 

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/pope-market-capitalism-has-failed-in-pandemic-needs-reform

    A fine blend of both capitalism and socialism might save us the day, the fine blend has prevailed around the world. The vast majority of Western modernized nations have embraced universal health care system. Medicare for all, here we come.    

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    @fubah2 Pope Francis says the coronavirus pandemic has proven that the “magic theories” of market capitalism have failed. 

    Pandemic highlights the importance of healthcare access, social safety net, public health. early response and collaboration among everyone.  Epic failures lead to US having the most covid cases and deaths of any nation in 2020.   In crisis, best performing nations tend to confront problem seriously, communicate honestly with population and protect the most vulnerable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    @fubah2 Pope Francis says the coronavirus pandemic has proven that the “magic theories” of market capitalism have failed. 

    Pandemic highlights the importance of healthcare access, social safety net, public health. early response and collaboration among everyone.  Epic failures lead to US having the most covid cases and deaths of any nation in 2020.   In crisis, best performing nations tend to confront problem seriously, communicate honestly with population and protect the most vulnerable.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/pope-market-capitalism-has-failed-in-pandemic-needs-reform

    A fine blend of both capitalism and socialism might save us the day, the fine blend has prevailed around the world. The vast majority of Western modernized nations have embraced universal health care system. Medicare for all, here we come.

    Absolutely!   No one system is perfect, even if some are better than others.  The trick is to incorporate a "blend" of the best parts of systems.

    With regard to healthcare, most industrialized countries, such as Canada, do this particularly well.  This is a large part of the reason why US NEWS recently ranked Canada much higher than the US.   My Canadian colleagues inform me they do pay more in taxes than us, but they get more than DOUBLE that $$$ back in the form of savings on health insurance costs (premiums/deductibles/co-pays), prescription drugs savings, and all other health care costs.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/pope-market-capitalism-has-failed-in-pandemic-needs-reform

    A fine blend of both capitalism and socialism might save us the day, the fine blend has prevailed around the world. The vast majority of Western modernized nations have embraced universal health care system. Medicare for all, here we come.

    Absolutely!   No one system is perfect, even if some are better than others.  The trick is to incorporate a "blend" of the best parts of systems.

    With regard to healthcare, most industrialized countries, such as Canada, do this particularly well.  This is a large part of the reason why US NEWS recently ranked Canada much higher than the US.   My Canadian colleagues inform me they do pay more in taxes than us, but they get more than DOUBLE that $$$ back in the form of savings on health insurance costs (premiums/deductibles/co-pays), prescription drugs savings, and all other health care costs.

     

     
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    Capitalism works well if the wealth created from it is reinvested. The top 10% are hoarding their wealth which means the economy will eventually collapse.

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    Capitalism works well if the wealth created from it is reinvested. The top 10% are hoarding their wealth which means the economy will eventually collapse.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    @fubah2 Pope Francis says the coronavirus pandemic has proven that the “magic theories” of market capitalism have failed.  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/pope-market-capitalism-has-failed-in-pandemic-needs-reform A fine blend of both capitalism and socialism might save us the day, the fine blend has prevailed around the world. The vast majority of Western modernized nations have embraced universal health care system. Medicare for all, here we come.

    long overdue imo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    @fubah2 Pope Francis says the coronavirus pandemic has proven that the “magic theories” of market capitalism have failed.  https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/pope-market-capitalism-has-failed-in-pandemic-needs-reform A fine blend of both capitalism and socialism might save us the day, the fine blend has prevailed around the world. The vast majority of Western modernized nations have embraced universal health care system. Medicare for all, here we come.

    long overdue imo

     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2021 - 6:48 AM ET #244

    Poll: Most Americans reject bogus audits
    of state election results

    According to a new Monmouth University poll released Monday,
    a 57% majority of Americans say that, based on what they've heard
    about the fraudits conducted or proposed by legislatures in some states,
    they view them as "partisan efforts to undermine valid election results."

    Only one-third say they see them more as
    "legitimate efforts to identify potential voting irregularities."

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    Poll: Most Americans reject bogus audits
    of state election results

    According to a new Monmouth University poll released Monday,
    a 57% majority of Americans say that, based on what they've heard
    about the fraudits conducted or proposed by legislatures in some states,
    they view them as "partisan efforts to undermine valid election results."

    Only one-third say they see them more as
    "legitimate efforts to identify potential voting irregularities."

     
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    According to the Monmouth University poll 80% majority of Americans are for voter ID. 18% democrats are not.

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    According to the Monmouth University poll 80% majority of Americans are for voter ID. 18% democrats are not.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Poll: Most Americans reject bogus audits
    of state election results

    According to a new Monmouth University poll released Monday,
    a 57% majority of Americans say that, based on what they've heard
    about the fraudits conducted or proposed by legislatures in some states,
    they view them as "partisan efforts to undermine valid election results."

    Only one-third say they see them more as
    "legitimate efforts to identify potential voting irregularities."

    Further, 40% of the public says that such audits will weaken American democracy,
    while only 20% say it will strengthen it.


    Another 35% expecting them to have no impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Poll: Most Americans reject bogus audits
    of state election results

    According to a new Monmouth University poll released Monday,
    a 57% majority of Americans say that, based on what they've heard
    about the fraudits conducted or proposed by legislatures in some states,
    they view them as "partisan efforts to undermine valid election results."

    Only one-third say they see them more as
    "legitimate efforts to identify potential voting irregularities."

    Further, 40% of the public says that such audits will weaken American democracy,
    while only 20% say it will strengthen it.


    Another 35% expecting them to have no impact.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 22, 2021 - 8:28 PM ET #247

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: @fubah2 Pope Francis says the coronavirus pandemic has proven that the “magic theories” of market capitalism have failed.  Pandemic highlights the importance of healthcare access, social safety net, public health. early response and collaboration among everyone.  Epic failures lead to US having the most covid cases and deaths of any nation in 2020.   In crisis, best performing nations tend to confront problem seriously, communicate honestly with population and protect the most vulnerable.

     

    rump and the rumplickers epic failure

    dems left to pick up the pieces and try to repair the damage caused by the rumplickers

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: @fubah2 Pope Francis says the coronavirus pandemic has proven that the “magic theories” of market capitalism have failed.  Pandemic highlights the importance of healthcare access, social safety net, public health. early response and collaboration among everyone.  Epic failures lead to US having the most covid cases and deaths of any nation in 2020.   In crisis, best performing nations tend to confront problem seriously, communicate honestly with population and protect the most vulnerable.

     

    rump and the rumplickers epic failure

    dems left to pick up the pieces and try to repair the damage caused by the rumplickers

     
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    Posted: Jun. 23, 2021 - 6:22 PM ET #248

     

    from  UPI  today

    Michigan GOP-led Senate rejects Donald Trump's claim that election was stolen

     

    June 23 (UPI) -- A months-long investigation of the presidential election led by Michigan Republican lawmakers found that claims by former president Donald Trump about widespread voter fraud were false, according to a report released Wednesday.

    The report said human error and lack of training were the only factors that contributed to inaccurate and unofficial vote counts, especially in Antrim County, where Trump and his supporters claimed votes were miscalculated in favor of Joe Biden.

    "These errors were quickly discovered and rectified by the protective and redundant systems our state has built to verify and protect election integrity, including re-countable, paper ballots," the report stated. "Even more significantly, the official vote count was never in doubt and was validated several times, including during a complete, hand recount."

    The four-person committee expressed its disappointment and frustration over hours of effort given toward recounts.

     

     

     

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    from  UPI  today

    Michigan GOP-led Senate rejects Donald Trump's claim that election was stolen

     

    June 23 (UPI) -- A months-long investigation of the presidential election led by Michigan Republican lawmakers found that claims by former president Donald Trump about widespread voter fraud were false, according to a report released Wednesday.

    The report said human error and lack of training were the only factors that contributed to inaccurate and unofficial vote counts, especially in Antrim County, where Trump and his supporters claimed votes were miscalculated in favor of Joe Biden.

    "These errors were quickly discovered and rectified by the protective and redundant systems our state has built to verify and protect election integrity, including re-countable, paper ballots," the report stated. "Even more significantly, the official vote count was never in doubt and was validated several times, including during a complete, hand recount."

    The four-person committee expressed its disappointment and frustration over hours of effort given toward recounts.

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Poll: Most Americans reject bogus audits
    of state election results

    According to a new Monmouth University poll released Monday,
    a 57% majority of Americans say that, based on what they've heard
    about the fraudits conducted or proposed by legislatures in some states,
    they view them as "partisan efforts to undermine valid election results."

     

    Only one-third say they see them more as
    "legitimate efforts to identify potential voting irregularities."

    57% say   thumbs_up

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Poll: Most Americans reject bogus audits
    of state election results

    According to a new Monmouth University poll released Monday,
    a 57% majority of Americans say that, based on what they've heard
    about the fraudits conducted or proposed by legislatures in some states,
    they view them as "partisan efforts to undermine valid election results."

     

    Only one-third say they see them more as
    "legitimate efforts to identify potential voting irregularities."

    57% say   thumbs_up

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

     

    from  UPI  today

    Michigan GOP-led Senate rejects Donald Trump's claim that election was stolen

     

    June 23 (UPI) -- A months-long investigation of the presidential election led by Michigan Republican lawmakers found that claims by former president Donald Trump about widespread voter fraud were false, according to a report released Wednesday.

    The report said human error and lack of training were the only factors that contributed to inaccurate and unofficial vote counts, especially in Antrim County, where Trump and his supporters claimed votes were miscalculated in favor of Joe Biden.

    "These errors were quickly discovered and rectified by the protective and redundant systems our state has built to verify and protect election integrity, including re-countable, paper ballots," the report stated. "Even more significantly, the official vote count was never in doubt and was validated several times, including during a complete, hand recount."

    The four-person committee expressed its disappointment and frustration over hours of effort given toward recounts.

     

    So the GOP in Michigan state right there in print there were some minor human errors that were quickly rectified, but MASSIVE whidespread voter/election fraud is a "false claim"

    And yet, knowing the trump-toilet-worshippers this isn't over by a longshot.

     

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    from  UPI  today

    Michigan GOP-led Senate rejects Donald Trump's claim that election was stolen

     

    June 23 (UPI) -- A months-long investigation of the presidential election led by Michigan Republican lawmakers found that claims by former president Donald Trump about widespread voter fraud were false, according to a report released Wednesday.

    The report said human error and lack of training were the only factors that contributed to inaccurate and unofficial vote counts, especially in Antrim County, where Trump and his supporters claimed votes were miscalculated in favor of Joe Biden.

    "These errors were quickly discovered and rectified by the protective and redundant systems our state has built to verify and protect election integrity, including re-countable, paper ballots," the report stated. "Even more significantly, the official vote count was never in doubt and was validated several times, including during a complete, hand recount."

    The four-person committee expressed its disappointment and frustration over hours of effort given toward recounts.

     

    So the GOP in Michigan state right there in print there were some minor human errors that were quickly rectified, but MASSIVE whidespread voter/election fraud is a "false claim"

    And yet, knowing the trump-toilet-worshippers this isn't over by a longshot.

     

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