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    We are/will be witnessing the demise/death of the Democratic Party as they try to in one failed  fashion or another eliminate President Trump. The following are the reasons the death of the Democratic Party is imminent.

    1. Infrastructure. When the 1 trillion dollar infrastructure bill is passed the country will see roads, bridges, schools, airports, tunnels, levis etc being upgraded to current standards. This will be completed under the  Donald Trump administration.

    2. Tax plan/middle class tax cuts. When the tax cuts take place hard working Americans will have extra take home money. The Dems have no way of countering Americans with more pocket change.

    The above will be the end of the Democratic Party. What will they be able to run on? What will their message be? Vaccines for all. Safe spaces for all college students. Free tuition for every college student at the expense of hard working, tax paying Americans.

    Who will their messenger be? The messenger will be on the losing end. Landslide 2020.




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    We are/will be witnessing the demise/death of the Democratic Party as they try to in one failed  fashion or another eliminate President Trump. The following are the reasons the death of the Democratic Party is imminent.

    1. Infrastructure. When the 1 trillion dollar infrastructure bill is passed the country will see roads, bridges, schools, airports, tunnels, levis etc being upgraded to current standards. This will be completed under the  Donald Trump administration.

    2. Tax plan/middle class tax cuts. When the tax cuts take place hard working Americans will have extra take home money. The Dems have no way of countering Americans with more pocket change.

    The above will be the end of the Democratic Party. What will they be able to run on? What will their message be? Vaccines for all. Safe spaces for all college students. Free tuition for every college student at the expense of hard working, tax paying Americans.

    Who will their messenger be? The messenger will be on the losing end. Landslide 2020.




     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2017 - 11:06 AM ET #2

    a few questions.

    1. what have you seen from trump and congress over the last several months that leads you to believe they can pass anything of any significance.

    2. what specifically do republicans like about trump's infrastructure bill that makes it better than obama's infrastructure bill that republicans rejected?

    3. how does a huge tax break for the ultra rich and a miniscule tax break for the poor and middle class, if any, help to pay down our $20 trillion debt, or whatever it is when trump wants to spend much more than obama on infrastructure, the military, the DOJ, etc.?



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    a few questions.

    1. what have you seen from trump and congress over the last several months that leads you to believe they can pass anything of any significance.

    2. what specifically do republicans like about trump's infrastructure bill that makes it better than obama's infrastructure bill that republicans rejected?

    3. how does a huge tax break for the ultra rich and a miniscule tax break for the poor and middle class, if any, help to pay down our $20 trillion debt, or whatever it is when trump wants to spend much more than obama on infrastructure, the military, the DOJ, etc.?



     
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    I agree club. McConnell and Ryan are actually Dems with a big R next to their name. Trump has had no help at all from the leaders of the Senate and House.

    Not sure on 2. Huge amount of money to spend on our rapidly deteriorating infrastructure. Trump ran on this and was elected to make it happen. Again. He has received no help from McConnell and Ryan.

    The powers that be do not want to pay down on the debt. Why? I don't know. Let's see what happens during the next debt ceiling crisis. What will they do? I am all for paying down the debt. 20t in debt is criminal. Not to mention the unfunded liabilities. I think that an extra $100 to $200 a month in the pockets of Americans is huge. I personally do not worry what the less than 1% of the population receive in relation to me. They are way out of my league. Irrelevant to my lifestyle.

    I seriously think the Democratic Party is set up for extinction. Let's see Debbie Wasserman Schultz is brought up on charges of treason. I forgot to put this in my 1st post.

    The 3 reasons are infrastructure, tax cuts and the treason charges vs Debbie Wasserman Schultz.


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    I agree club. McConnell and Ryan are actually Dems with a big R next to their name. Trump has had no help at all from the leaders of the Senate and House.

    Not sure on 2. Huge amount of money to spend on our rapidly deteriorating infrastructure. Trump ran on this and was elected to make it happen. Again. He has received no help from McConnell and Ryan.

    The powers that be do not want to pay down on the debt. Why? I don't know. Let's see what happens during the next debt ceiling crisis. What will they do? I am all for paying down the debt. 20t in debt is criminal. Not to mention the unfunded liabilities. I think that an extra $100 to $200 a month in the pockets of Americans is huge. I personally do not worry what the less than 1% of the population receive in relation to me. They are way out of my league. Irrelevant to my lifestyle.

    I seriously think the Democratic Party is set up for extinction. Let's see Debbie Wasserman Schultz is brought up on charges of treason. I forgot to put this in my 1st post.

    The 3 reasons are infrastructure, tax cuts and the treason charges vs Debbie Wasserman Schultz.


     
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    2. Tax plan/middle class tax cuts. When the tax cuts take place hard working Americans will have extra take home money. The Dems have no way of countering Americans with more pocket change.


    Do you even know what you are talking about? Seriously, do you even know the wealth redistribution to the top here? Have you researched this topic for one second??? Tel me what percentage of the cuts will benefit the middle class.
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    2. Tax plan/middle class tax cuts. When the tax cuts take place hard working Americans will have extra take home money. The Dems have no way of countering Americans with more pocket change.


    Do you even know what you are talking about? Seriously, do you even know the wealth redistribution to the top here? Have you researched this topic for one second??? Tel me what percentage of the cuts will benefit the middle class.
     
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    Not much research except for 1 quick look at it. Probably 1-2 minutes. I only looked at  my tax bracket. This was probably a year ago. About $100 extra for me a month. Will it improve my life? No. But I would rather have the $100 in my pocket vs the US government having it. Again. I do not compare my situation to  extremely wealthy Americans.  
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    Not much research except for 1 quick look at it. Probably 1-2 minutes. I only looked at  my tax bracket. This was probably a year ago. About $100 extra for me a month. Will it improve my life? No. But I would rather have the $100 in my pocket vs the US government having it. Again. I do not compare my situation to  extremely wealthy Americans.  
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2017 - 12:03 PM ET #6

    What's wrong w free college tuition I would say based on the videos from va that education is clearly 1 of our major problems
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    What's wrong w free college tuition I would say based on the videos from va that education is clearly 1 of our major problems
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Not much research except for 1 quick look at it. Probably 1-2 minutes. I only looked at  my tax bracket. This was probably a year ago. About $100 extra for me a month. Will it improve my life? No. But I would rather have the $100 in my pocket vs the US government having it. Again. I do not compare my situation to  extremely wealthy Americans.  


    That $100 you now pay ( along with dollars from millions of other hard working decent citizens) goes to Washington and gets split up among the corrupt government cronies.

    How about the fact that average do-nothing government employees have approx a total yearly compensation of $116,000.00 per year, and welfare people get $60,000.00 yearly.

    You are paying for it all.

    Gov employees basically sit around all day doing nothing but to try and figure out how more ways to screw the public for even more. The welfare people sit around all day and laugh at you fools.

    Government needs to be scaled down BIGLY..So too welfare and more immigration of deadbeats.

    Trump needs more time to clean house...Won't happen probably until after 2018 midterms when the rinos get their clocks cleaned and new patriot leaders are chosen to back Trumps programs with the needed reforms to MAGA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Not much research except for 1 quick look at it. Probably 1-2 minutes. I only looked at  my tax bracket. This was probably a year ago. About $100 extra for me a month. Will it improve my life? No. But I would rather have the $100 in my pocket vs the US government having it. Again. I do not compare my situation to  extremely wealthy Americans.  


    That $100 you now pay ( along with dollars from millions of other hard working decent citizens) goes to Washington and gets split up among the corrupt government cronies.

    How about the fact that average do-nothing government employees have approx a total yearly compensation of $116,000.00 per year, and welfare people get $60,000.00 yearly.

    You are paying for it all.

    Gov employees basically sit around all day doing nothing but to try and figure out how more ways to screw the public for even more. The welfare people sit around all day and laugh at you fools.

    Government needs to be scaled down BIGLY..So too welfare and more immigration of deadbeats.

    Trump needs more time to clean house...Won't happen probably until after 2018 midterms when the rinos get their clocks cleaned and new patriot leaders are chosen to back Trumps programs with the needed reforms to MAGA.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2017 - 12:27 PM ET #8

    I have to say that people on welfare do better than me. It is a sad state of affairs.

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    I have to say that people on welfare do better than me. It is a sad state of affairs.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    I agree club. McConnell and Ryan are actually Dems with a big R next to their name. Trump has had no help at all from the leaders of the Senate and House.

    Not sure on 2. Huge amount of money to spend on our rapidly deteriorating infrastructure. Trump ran on this and was elected to make it happen. Again. He has received no help from McConnell and Ryan.

    The powers that be do not want to pay down on the debt. Why? I don't know. Let's see what happens during the next debt ceiling crisis. What will they do? I am all for paying down the debt. 20t in debt is criminal. Not to mention the unfunded liabilities. I think that an extra $100 to $200 a month in the pockets of Americans is huge. I personally do not worry what the less than 1% of the population receive in relation to me. They are way out of my league. Irrelevant to my lifestyle.

    I seriously think the Democratic Party is set up for extinction. Let's see Debbie Wasserman Schultz is brought up on charges of treason. I forgot to put this in my 1st post.

    The 3 reasons are infrastructure, tax cuts and the treason charges vs Debbie Wasserman Schultz.



    How is Trump supposed to pay down the debt while spending a trillion on infrastructure and giving tax breaks? 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    I agree club. McConnell and Ryan are actually Dems with a big R next to their name. Trump has had no help at all from the leaders of the Senate and House.

    Not sure on 2. Huge amount of money to spend on our rapidly deteriorating infrastructure. Trump ran on this and was elected to make it happen. Again. He has received no help from McConnell and Ryan.

    The powers that be do not want to pay down on the debt. Why? I don't know. Let's see what happens during the next debt ceiling crisis. What will they do? I am all for paying down the debt. 20t in debt is criminal. Not to mention the unfunded liabilities. I think that an extra $100 to $200 a month in the pockets of Americans is huge. I personally do not worry what the less than 1% of the population receive in relation to me. They are way out of my league. Irrelevant to my lifestyle.

    I seriously think the Democratic Party is set up for extinction. Let's see Debbie Wasserman Schultz is brought up on charges of treason. I forgot to put this in my 1st post.

    The 3 reasons are infrastructure, tax cuts and the treason charges vs Debbie Wasserman Schultz.



    How is Trump supposed to pay down the debt while spending a trillion on infrastructure and giving tax breaks? 

     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2017 - 1:42 PM ET #10

    haha, like paying the debt down is his fault already. went to 20 trillion under obama what'shisname, but make sure u ask these questions NOW
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    haha, like paying the debt down is his fault already. went to 20 trillion under obama what'shisname, but make sure u ask these questions NOW
     
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    Paying down the debt will cause people pain. Does anybody in DC have the courage to make this happen? My point is is that the Democratic Party will be taken out of its misery when the infrastructure upgrade begins, the tax cuts kick in and Debbie Wasserman Shultz is indicted for treason. These 3 things will destroy the Party while at the same time the Left has tried to destroy Trump for 2 years. Let's see how it shakes out. Great time to be alive in the US. Never a dull moment.
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    Paying down the debt will cause people pain. Does anybody in DC have the courage to make this happen? My point is is that the Democratic Party will be taken out of its misery when the infrastructure upgrade begins, the tax cuts kick in and Debbie Wasserman Shultz is indicted for treason. These 3 things will destroy the Party while at the same time the Left has tried to destroy Trump for 2 years. Let's see how it shakes out. Great time to be alive in the US. Never a dull moment.
     
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    There's so much wrong in this thread, and I don't have time to properly address it, but let's start with no one on wellfare gets 60,000 a year.
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    There's so much wrong in this thread, and I don't have time to properly address it, but let's start with no one on wellfare gets 60,000 a year.
     
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    Could be a typo.
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    Could be a typo.
     
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    sundance, the fact that you think an extra one or two hundred dollars a month justifies massive tax cuts to the super rich, the "1%", as you put it, who occupy the majority of the wealth, really speaks to the problem at large. Democrats, of which I am not, tend to fight for higher wages across the board. From upper-middle class to minimum wage earners. Republicans are against this because it takes money out of the big businessman's pocket (Trump himself) and gives it to the worker. politicians like Trump serve big business and the super rich. That's why he's big on deregulation and big on tax cuts. H3ll, the reason they are against universal health care has nothing to do with saving the small business and everything to do with saving money for big business. One of the first things he did in office was do away with regulations put in place to protect us from banks taking advantage of the American people. I don't know if you're familiar with trickle down economics but i'll give you the Cliffsnotes version of it: IT DOESN'T WORK. If trump cares so much about American manufacturing jobs, why does he manufacture products in China? If he cares about middle America, why does he buy steel from China? And if he cares so much about American workers, why does he hire so many foreign workers? He only cares about money. Look, i'm not bashing Trump voters because i'm on of them. The difference is I voted for him based on foreign policy and strong borders. I knew his economic policies were f*cked. I also knew I make enough money to deal with it. Do you?
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    sundance, the fact that you think an extra one or two hundred dollars a month justifies massive tax cuts to the super rich, the "1%", as you put it, who occupy the majority of the wealth, really speaks to the problem at large. Democrats, of which I am not, tend to fight for higher wages across the board. From upper-middle class to minimum wage earners. Republicans are against this because it takes money out of the big businessman's pocket (Trump himself) and gives it to the worker. politicians like Trump serve big business and the super rich. That's why he's big on deregulation and big on tax cuts. H3ll, the reason they are against universal health care has nothing to do with saving the small business and everything to do with saving money for big business. One of the first things he did in office was do away with regulations put in place to protect us from banks taking advantage of the American people. I don't know if you're familiar with trickle down economics but i'll give you the Cliffsnotes version of it: IT DOESN'T WORK. If trump cares so much about American manufacturing jobs, why does he manufacture products in China? If he cares about middle America, why does he buy steel from China? And if he cares so much about American workers, why does he hire so many foreign workers? He only cares about money. Look, i'm not bashing Trump voters because i'm on of them. The difference is I voted for him based on foreign policy and strong borders. I knew his economic policies were f*cked. I also knew I make enough money to deal with it. Do you?
     
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    I am a big trump supporter but there is OOOO chance he gets tax reform in the way that 1 page doc. he released a few months ago read.
    Way too top heavy for the upper income that not only will every single dem. vote ag. it in their sleep but a min. 25% of rep. will also.
    Trump would have to compromise a lot to get bipart. support....and we all know that answer.
    Infra......we are in the ballpark.
    Taxes....not a prayer (with this plan)
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    I am a big trump supporter but there is OOOO chance he gets tax reform in the way that 1 page doc. he released a few months ago read.
    Way too top heavy for the upper income that not only will every single dem. vote ag. it in their sleep but a min. 25% of rep. will also.
    Trump would have to compromise a lot to get bipart. support....and we all know that answer.
    Infra......we are in the ballpark.
    Taxes....not a prayer (with this plan)
     
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    Like everybody else Stu. I need the American economy to be propped up for as long as it can be. I want to be able to receive my 1st social security check in a couple of years and then head for the 1st tee box. To answer your question. I make enough money and have saved enough to weather a bad time in the economy. I never said an extra 1-200 justifies big tax breaks for the super rich. I just don't pay attention to what they have or what they might get.

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    Like everybody else Stu. I need the American economy to be propped up for as long as it can be. I want to be able to receive my 1st social security check in a couple of years and then head for the 1st tee box. To answer your question. I make enough money and have saved enough to weather a bad time in the economy. I never said an extra 1-200 justifies big tax breaks for the super rich. I just don't pay attention to what they have or what they might get.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2017 - 5:36 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawky:

    haha, like paying the debt down is his fault already. went to 20 trillion under obama what'shisname, but make sure u ask these questions NOW

    Never said the debt was Trump's fault. Just asking how Trump is supposed to lower the debt while cutting taxes and increasing spending? Any suggestions to Sundance's statements? He doesn't seem to have any idea as to how this is supposed to happen, even though he claims Trump will do it. 


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    haha, like paying the debt down is his fault already. went to 20 trillion under obama what'shisname, but make sure u ask these questions NOW

    Never said the debt was Trump's fault. Just asking how Trump is supposed to lower the debt while cutting taxes and increasing spending? Any suggestions to Sundance's statements? He doesn't seem to have any idea as to how this is supposed to happen, even though he claims Trump will do it. 


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Paying down the debt will cause people pain. Does anybody in DC have the courage to make this happen? My point is is that the Democratic Party will be taken out of its misery when the infrastructure upgrade begins, the tax cuts kick in and Debbie Wasserman Shultz is indicted for treason. These 3 things will destroy the Party while at the same time the Left has tried to destroy Trump for 2 years. Let's see how it shakes out. Great time to be alive in the US. Never a dull moment.

    What do you think happens to the debt when America starts increasing spending on infrastructure and lowers taxes? I'm pretty sure prosecuting DWS won't matter to anyone six months after it happens. 
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    Paying down the debt will cause people pain. Does anybody in DC have the courage to make this happen? My point is is that the Democratic Party will be taken out of its misery when the infrastructure upgrade begins, the tax cuts kick in and Debbie Wasserman Shultz is indicted for treason. These 3 things will destroy the Party while at the same time the Left has tried to destroy Trump for 2 years. Let's see how it shakes out. Great time to be alive in the US. Never a dull moment.

    What do you think happens to the debt when America starts increasing spending on infrastructure and lowers taxes? I'm pretty sure prosecuting DWS won't matter to anyone six months after it happens. 
     
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    Her story will be part of the Democratic Party becoming meaningless. Who/What will fill the vacuum? I don't know. If she is charged. Who goes down with her? What is on her Pakistani employee's hard drive?

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    Her story will be part of the Democratic Party becoming meaningless. Who/What will fill the vacuum? I don't know. If she is charged. Who goes down with her? What is on her Pakistani employee's hard drive?

     
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    i'm sure we'll be getting trump's infrastructure plan any day now.  


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-17/trump-is-said-to-abandon-plan-for-council-on-infrastructure?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
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    i'm sure we'll be getting trump's infrastructure plan any day now.  


    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-17/trump-is-said-to-abandon-plan-for-council-on-infrastructure?cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
     
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    Posted: Aug. 17, 2017 - 6:47 PM ET #21

    Welfare benefits in Hawaii $ 60,590...pre-tax income annually..

    Welfare benefits in D.C. $50,820...and this was in 2015.


    https://investmentwatchblog.com/collect-welfare-in-hawaii-60000-a-year-d-c-50000-annually-whats-your-state-pay/
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    Welfare benefits in Hawaii $ 60,590...pre-tax income annually..

    Welfare benefits in D.C. $50,820...and this was in 2015.


    https://investmentwatchblog.com/collect-welfare-in-hawaii-60000-a-year-d-c-50000-annually-whats-your-state-pay/
     
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    Fake news, Slim. If you take the amount a person gets in welfare assistance, factor in food stamps and any other benefits (section 8, ect.), then average out the cost to administer said benefits, then you maybe get that number. That's a lot different than people believing the government is handing out monthly $5,000 checks. They aren't.
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    Fake news, Slim. If you take the amount a person gets in welfare assistance, factor in food stamps and any other benefits (section 8, ect.), then average out the cost to administer said benefits, then you maybe get that number. That's a lot different than people believing the government is handing out monthly $5,000 checks. They aren't.
     
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    With that said, regardless of how much or how little people are paid, we are in need of welfare reform.
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    With that said, regardless of how much or how little people are paid, we are in need of welfare reform.
     
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    You mean the end of the Dem party that got 3M more votes than the GOP?
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    You mean the end of the Dem party that got 3M more votes than the GOP?
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by bullmoose:

    You mean the end of the Dem party that got 3M more votes than the GOP?


    I think he said what he meant...Winning the popular vote means nothing, zero...Why even bring it up?
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    You mean the end of the Dem party that got 3M more votes than the GOP?


    I think he said what he meant...Winning the popular vote means nothing, zero...Why even bring it up?
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