Ok but how does that translate into an actual shift in the trump campaign? Like will more ego in trumps campaign message to America result in more people voting? Seems like ego is a part of the problem
Both in image and reality for the trump campaign
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Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
The strength of Bannon is his ego,
Ok but how does that translate into an actual shift in the trump campaign? Like will more ego in trumps campaign message to America result in more people voting? Seems like ego is a part of the problem
He will be able to have 'presence' in front of Trump. Bannon will be terrific on television vs the huge bias against Trump. It will result in an election much closer than what the polls of the Left have generated. I use to listen to Bannon on the Patriot channel going to work. Outstanding on the radio. Broad knowledge base. Bannon can not stand the Clinton's. Gutsy hire by Trump. Let's see what happens.
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He will be able to have 'presence' in front of Trump. Bannon will be terrific on television vs the huge bias against Trump. It will result in an election much closer than what the polls of the Left have generated. I use to listen to Bannon on the Patriot channel going to work. Outstanding on the radio. Broad knowledge base. Bannon can not stand the Clinton's. Gutsy hire by Trump. Let's see what happens.
So your thinking is that bannon will not be less of background presence but actually be a vocal presence front and center. This would actually be an interesting shift in that it wouldn't seem to be his role to be on tv and radio and being showcased as a person paid by the campaign to say that he supports he trump and have America then choose to vote for trump even tho bannon is not the one running for office.
While different, I do not think this makes a difference in that bannon is not as well known as someone like Christie, or trump's actual vp candidate who's name escapes me at the moment because of how absolutely insignificant he has been in the campaigning and promoting of the trump campaign.
Based on history being front and center supporting trump has been a huge negative for that person's image. This can be said of people like Carson and Christie but also of how his supporters seem to choose make themsleves look. Thinking bannon will be immune to this does not seem logical.
I also think bannon's ego and his presence alone does aboslutely nothing to change trump's plummeting numbers. I think that you would hope for bannon to have a new direction or identify what trump is doing wrong and get him to stop doing it at the least.
In your opinion what do you think trump is doing wrong and needs to stop? That is probably a good place for bannon to start
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So your thinking is that bannon will not be less of background presence but actually be a vocal presence front and center. This would actually be an interesting shift in that it wouldn't seem to be his role to be on tv and radio and being showcased as a person paid by the campaign to say that he supports he trump and have America then choose to vote for trump even tho bannon is not the one running for office.
While different, I do not think this makes a difference in that bannon is not as well known as someone like Christie, or trump's actual vp candidate who's name escapes me at the moment because of how absolutely insignificant he has been in the campaigning and promoting of the trump campaign.
Based on history being front and center supporting trump has been a huge negative for that person's image. This can be said of people like Carson and Christie but also of how his supporters seem to choose make themsleves look. Thinking bannon will be immune to this does not seem logical.
I also think bannon's ego and his presence alone does aboslutely nothing to change trump's plummeting numbers. I think that you would hope for bannon to have a new direction or identify what trump is doing wrong and get him to stop doing it at the least.
In your opinion what do you think trump is doing wrong and needs to stop? That is probably a good place for bannon to start
Bannon will put him in the right direction. Will Trump follow? Numbers are getting close. Again. I do not believe we have a 5-7 point difference. 1st debate huge if it happens.
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Bannon will put him in the right direction. Will Trump follow? Numbers are getting close. Again. I do not believe we have a 5-7 point difference. 1st debate huge if it happens.
I actually think the numbers are what they are. Not necessarily exactly accurate but a valid projection. It is not the difference in my opinon that matters but it is the steep drop in trumps support and popularity. They have to stop the bleeding and stop it now.
Debates probably mean less than ever because those that support or are against Hillary will not change their minds regardless of what she says. She is not going to change her image.
And trump supporters will not waiver in their support no matter how bad he is and no matter what stupid thjng he might say. He is completed bullet proof with his followers. What he might have an opportunity to do is gain support by intelligently and articulating the specifics of how he will make America better. He might gain ground debating that with Hillary and attacking her plan for the future rather than her character or her past. That will be a death sentence to his campaign as this is his last chance to show that he is more than taking points and smear campaign.
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I actually think the numbers are what they are. Not necessarily exactly accurate but a valid projection. It is not the difference in my opinon that matters but it is the steep drop in trumps support and popularity. They have to stop the bleeding and stop it now.
Debates probably mean less than ever because those that support or are against Hillary will not change their minds regardless of what she says. She is not going to change her image.
And trump supporters will not waiver in their support no matter how bad he is and no matter what stupid thjng he might say. He is completed bullet proof with his followers. What he might have an opportunity to do is gain support by intelligently and articulating the specifics of how he will make America better. He might gain ground debating that with Hillary and attacking her plan for the future rather than her character or her past. That will be a death sentence to his campaign as this is his last chance to show that he is more than taking points and smear campaign.
Topic of this "Hillary Blog" is her "unfit-ness" for the office of Presidency. It is not about Bannon. This was DL's question, not OP 's.
What makes Hillary unfit?
1) Frail health--we are substantiating this everyday with hard visible evidence, despite the fact she is being hidden away raising money, not connecting with voters in rallies--trying to add to reach a billion dollars.
2) Huma Abedin was used as a go between for BOTH the State Department and her Clinton Foundation, raising money for her foundation *while serving a public office.
3) Hiding state department property (intelligence) in the form of emails deliberately destroyed.
4) Putting America's security at risk and at a minimum four ambassadors working out of an embassy in Libya.
On these four counts she is UNFIT to be President.
Please stay on task.
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Topic of this "Hillary Blog" is her "unfit-ness" for the office of Presidency. It is not about Bannon. This was DL's question, not OP 's.
What makes Hillary unfit?
1) Frail health--we are substantiating this everyday with hard visible evidence, despite the fact she is being hidden away raising money, not connecting with voters in rallies--trying to add to reach a billion dollars.
2) Huma Abedin was used as a go between for BOTH the State Department and her Clinton Foundation, raising money for her foundation *while serving a public office.
3) Hiding state department property (intelligence) in the form of emails deliberately destroyed.
4) Putting America's security at risk and at a minimum four ambassadors working out of an embassy in Libya.
On these four counts she is UNFIT to be President.
Topic of this "Hillary Blog" is her "unfit-ness" for the office of Presidency. It is not about Bannon. This was DL's question, not OP 's.
What makes Hillary unfit?
1) Frail health--we are substantiating this everyday with hard visible evidence, despite the fact she is being hidden away raising money, not connecting with voters in rallies--trying to add to reach a billion dollars.
2) Huma Abedin was used as a go between for BOTH the State Department and her Clinton Foundation, raising money for her foundation *while serving a public office.
3) Hiding state department property (intelligence) in the form of emails deliberately destroyed.
4) Putting America's security at risk and at a minimum four ambassadors working out of an embassy in Libya.
On these four counts she is UNFIT to be President.
Please stay on task.
I thought that sundance and I were having a civil conversation that was going fine with out your antics and detracting from it. I don't get why you come on here to troll and take away from where the discussion had evolved to.
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Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:
Topic of this "Hillary Blog" is her "unfit-ness" for the office of Presidency. It is not about Bannon. This was DL's question, not OP 's.
What makes Hillary unfit?
1) Frail health--we are substantiating this everyday with hard visible evidence, despite the fact she is being hidden away raising money, not connecting with voters in rallies--trying to add to reach a billion dollars.
2) Huma Abedin was used as a go between for BOTH the State Department and her Clinton Foundation, raising money for her foundation *while serving a public office.
3) Hiding state department property (intelligence) in the form of emails deliberately destroyed.
4) Putting America's security at risk and at a minimum four ambassadors working out of an embassy in Libya.
On these four counts she is UNFIT to be President.
Please stay on task.
I thought that sundance and I were having a civil conversation that was going fine with out your antics and detracting from it. I don't get why you come on here to troll and take away from where the discussion had evolved to.
The reason I started this thread is who demands a jet fly 20 miles and who wears a heavy coat when it is 75 degrees. The answer is Hillary.
Yup that's lame. Not fruitful for a dialog like we evolved the discussion into. Your insights on bannon and the trump campaign were interesting. I have to admit that I am not familiar with bannon so I learned something from our exchange.
I do not know why some people are so against civil dialog.
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Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
The reason I started this thread is who demands a jet fly 20 miles and who wears a heavy coat when it is 75 degrees. The answer is Hillary.
Yup that's lame. Not fruitful for a dialog like we evolved the discussion into. Your insights on bannon and the trump campaign were interesting. I have to admit that I am not familiar with bannon so I learned something from our exchange.
I do not know why some people are so against civil dialog.
The wrong direction would be a tweeting war with Mika and Joe. Ridiculous.
So you see his use of Twitter as a bad thing? I honestly believe that his use of Twitter is a strength of his in his campaigning. Trumps use of social Media is ahead of the curve and has given him an advantage in gaining followers and getting his message out.
Even intelligent conservative mind George Will mentioned trump's ability to use Twitter saying of trump: "he can say everything he knows about a subject in 140 characters".
I think that this is a plus for trump in his campaign. The problem tho is that it does not look very presidential and this is a huge image problem for trump. It is one thing to not be a politician, it is another to not look professional and dignified and look like an emotional teenager dogging a classmate on a Twitter account
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Quote Originally Posted by sundance:
The wrong direction would be a tweeting war with Mika and Joe. Ridiculous.
So you see his use of Twitter as a bad thing? I honestly believe that his use of Twitter is a strength of his in his campaigning. Trumps use of social Media is ahead of the curve and has given him an advantage in gaining followers and getting his message out.
Even intelligent conservative mind George Will mentioned trump's ability to use Twitter saying of trump: "he can say everything he knows about a subject in 140 characters".
I think that this is a plus for trump in his campaign. The problem tho is that it does not look very presidential and this is a huge image problem for trump. It is one thing to not be a politician, it is another to not look professional and dignified and look like an emotional teenager dogging a classmate on a Twitter account
The Dude.... What a sad state the country is in that a major party anoints her as the heir apparent... Corrupt, old, damaged goods, unqualified, dishonest, can't standup, a retread but she does do the funky chicken well. WTF has she done in her political career to deserve to be POTUS?
I was thinking you were talking about the GOP when you were talking sad state. Both candidates are corrupt and dishonest but even those terms are so emotional and black and white. Both candidates are old, older than our current president. Using this ageism tactic of sick and old as a means of discrediting Hillary seems like only a fool would buy it hook line and sinker. You say Hillary is unqualified but the reality is that Obama was less qualified than she was when he started and that was thrown around but trump is actually less qualified than either of them. I remember many in the Democratic Party that felt that Hillary should have been the Candidate and not Obama because she was far more experienced in 2008. Trump is perhaps the least qualified candidate ever. If you can name a few less qualified than trump let me know. If not it sounds silly to even bring this up as a means of garnering trump support. It's like trump and his supporters are trying to lose. Like why would you even bring up a concept like qualification and experience with the least experienced and qualified presidential candidate we have ever seen from a major party. It's political suicide. I swear at this point trump is trying to lose and his followers are marching right off the cliff with him
As usual DL, multiple paragraphs and u didn't list one accomplishment the witch was responsible for. And making herself rich doesn't count. As far as sad state it was the Dems that couldn't or wouldn't make her compete. Even crazy JOE woulda wiped the floor with her if he desired too....
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Quote Originally Posted by dl36:
Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:
The Dude.... What a sad state the country is in that a major party anoints her as the heir apparent... Corrupt, old, damaged goods, unqualified, dishonest, can't standup, a retread but she does do the funky chicken well. WTF has she done in her political career to deserve to be POTUS?
I was thinking you were talking about the GOP when you were talking sad state. Both candidates are corrupt and dishonest but even those terms are so emotional and black and white. Both candidates are old, older than our current president. Using this ageism tactic of sick and old as a means of discrediting Hillary seems like only a fool would buy it hook line and sinker. You say Hillary is unqualified but the reality is that Obama was less qualified than she was when he started and that was thrown around but trump is actually less qualified than either of them. I remember many in the Democratic Party that felt that Hillary should have been the Candidate and not Obama because she was far more experienced in 2008. Trump is perhaps the least qualified candidate ever. If you can name a few less qualified than trump let me know. If not it sounds silly to even bring this up as a means of garnering trump support. It's like trump and his supporters are trying to lose. Like why would you even bring up a concept like qualification and experience with the least experienced and qualified presidential candidate we have ever seen from a major party. It's political suicide. I swear at this point trump is trying to lose and his followers are marching right off the cliff with him
As usual DL, multiple paragraphs and u didn't list one accomplishment the witch was responsible for. And making herself rich doesn't count. As far as sad state it was the Dems that couldn't or wouldn't make her compete. Even crazy JOE woulda wiped the floor with her if he desired too....
Sorry I didn't even read his post trying to distract from our conversation. It is always difficult when people try to either answer questions for other people or engage in antics to detract from the discussion.
I get what he did in the past, but you fail to identify anything thing he has done. Considering he has had absolutely no effect or change on trumps campaign, he seems like in reality a complete non-factor.
So let's give him the benefit of the doubt on him getting settled in and having a positive change. What exactly will he do to make a positive change? Has he stated that he is going to change even one thing on trump's campaign or is it just rearranging the deck chairs on the titantic and saying it going to make a difference?
Can you identify exactly what changes he will make or changes he has proposed because he thinks Trump's campaign is wrong?
Like if we go beyond reality into hypothetical fantasy land and assuming he has a positive effect, can you or has he identified what trump's campaign is doing wrong and how he is going to fix it?
Killerb,
Let try this again. Before you and relax dude went into your usual gang up and pile on to kill the civil convo. Try and comment on this.
See the last two questions? Try and answer them and let see if you can engage in a civil dialog or if you are here just to bait, troll and play games. I will be waiting for your response to those two questions patiently. Might as well be patient, this is the second time I am asking you to comment on them and have a civil discussion
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Quote Originally Posted by dl36:
Sorry I didn't even read his post trying to distract from our conversation. It is always difficult when people try to either answer questions for other people or engage in antics to detract from the discussion.
I get what he did in the past, but you fail to identify anything thing he has done. Considering he has had absolutely no effect or change on trumps campaign, he seems like in reality a complete non-factor.
So let's give him the benefit of the doubt on him getting settled in and having a positive change. What exactly will he do to make a positive change? Has he stated that he is going to change even one thing on trump's campaign or is it just rearranging the deck chairs on the titantic and saying it going to make a difference?
Can you identify exactly what changes he will make or changes he has proposed because he thinks Trump's campaign is wrong?
Like if we go beyond reality into hypothetical fantasy land and assuming he has a positive effect, can you or has he identified what trump's campaign is doing wrong and how he is going to fix it?
Killerb,
Let try this again. Before you and relax dude went into your usual gang up and pile on to kill the civil convo. Try and comment on this.
See the last two questions? Try and answer them and let see if you can engage in a civil dialog or if you are here just to bait, troll and play games. I will be waiting for your response to those two questions patiently. Might as well be patient, this is the second time I am asking you to comment on them and have a civil discussion
So you're not going to answer the questions and engage in the civil discussion? Why would I answer any questions from you if you refuse to be civil?
But let's try it anyways and hopefully you answer my questions before you start on your own attempt to kill the convo again. So please answer my questions first in your next response before responding to my responses to your's. It baffles me that I have to model a clear direct response rather than your cut-and-run from my questions like you have done twice now and presumably more.
So one accomplishment I remember was duringnthenover prescription of psychotropic medications to children Hillary introduced a program that cautioned parents of the over use of psychotropic medications as we say a huge increase in the use of ridilin and stimulants during that time. This move to educate the public and put the welfare of children and generation was one accomplishment I remember as someone that worked in that field.
I don't agree that Biden would have wiped the floor with her. I do think that he would have had as good of a chance as Bernie, maybe better, maybe not considering the Bernie supporters. But that's hypothetical
I do not think the country and the world are in a sad state and I don't think I am blind or needed you to insult my intelligence making a personal jab like that.
The civil and intelligent convo evolved over time and I am sorry that you were not able for track it and keep up. Perhaps you will answer my questions directly as I have your's even after Failing to multiple times now.
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So you're not going to answer the questions and engage in the civil discussion? Why would I answer any questions from you if you refuse to be civil?
But let's try it anyways and hopefully you answer my questions before you start on your own attempt to kill the convo again. So please answer my questions first in your next response before responding to my responses to your's. It baffles me that I have to model a clear direct response rather than your cut-and-run from my questions like you have done twice now and presumably more.
So one accomplishment I remember was duringnthenover prescription of psychotropic medications to children Hillary introduced a program that cautioned parents of the over use of psychotropic medications as we say a huge increase in the use of ridilin and stimulants during that time. This move to educate the public and put the welfare of children and generation was one accomplishment I remember as someone that worked in that field.
I don't agree that Biden would have wiped the floor with her. I do think that he would have had as good of a chance as Bernie, maybe better, maybe not considering the Bernie supporters. But that's hypothetical
I do not think the country and the world are in a sad state and I don't think I am blind or needed you to insult my intelligence making a personal jab like that.
The civil and intelligent convo evolved over time and I am sorry that you were not able for track it and keep up. Perhaps you will answer my questions directly as I have your's even after Failing to multiple times now.
The only strategy necessary is to continue to pound how corrupt Hillary is, the 1.3% annual economic growth for years now. 48M on food stamps. Trump needs to stop taking this personally and just pound on the issues (of which there are PLENTY)...
Trump lacks discipline of a polished politician, without a doubt. But a polished politician is a b.s.'r that never really answers a straight question (see HRC) if you need an example of that or BO.
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OK DL. Trumps campaign questions...
The only strategy necessary is to continue to pound how corrupt Hillary is, the 1.3% annual economic growth for years now. 48M on food stamps. Trump needs to stop taking this personally and just pound on the issues (of which there are PLENTY)...
Trump lacks discipline of a polished politician, without a doubt. But a polished politician is a b.s.'r that never really answers a straight question (see HRC) if you need an example of that or BO.
Amazing how someone's ego leads them to change the direction of a post. Instead of Hillary's blog it becomes "what can Trump do to help him in a failing campaign"? DL is a joke.
Hillary apparently has the black vote. They tend to vote unanimously and the last republican to get a double digit result from black voters in key swing states was George W. 12-15% in swing states. A gain like that sounds pathetic, losing 80% to the democrat, but if Trump gets to double digits among African Americans he would carry NC, Vir, Georgia and poss Ohio and Penn. Bush spent millions targeting African Americans and he worked with NAACP and many other groups. Trumps campaign sadly has not done this. There are not enough tv ads. He has missed meetings with black groups. Not sure how any swing state reversal will happen w/o more effort and soon.
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Amazing how someone's ego leads them to change the direction of a post. Instead of Hillary's blog it becomes "what can Trump do to help him in a failing campaign"? DL is a joke.
Hillary apparently has the black vote. They tend to vote unanimously and the last republican to get a double digit result from black voters in key swing states was George W. 12-15% in swing states. A gain like that sounds pathetic, losing 80% to the democrat, but if Trump gets to double digits among African Americans he would carry NC, Vir, Georgia and poss Ohio and Penn. Bush spent millions targeting African Americans and he worked with NAACP and many other groups. Trumps campaign sadly has not done this. There are not enough tv ads. He has missed meetings with black groups. Not sure how any swing state reversal will happen w/o more effort and soon.
I completely disagree that trumps only strategy is to pound how corrupt Hillary is. My prediction is that the problem in trumps campaign is the indulgence and overdependence in this strategy and we see it in the results in a huge loss for trump come November. This same strategy marched Obama into the White House twice and I do not get how you can say it is the only strategy when trump has options, specifically selling himself to America rather than bashing his opponent and looking weak and void of substance and anything to offer. You would think that a sucessful business man would grasp this concept of marketting and sales but perhaps it's not translating for him. Or as many have pointed out he is trying to lose and is employing a losing strategy on purpose and getting his followers to fall in line behind him as he marches over the cliff.
Trump lacks discipline? Like how? Can you give me concrete examples of how he lacks discipline and how that could negatively effect America if he is president?
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I completely disagree that trumps only strategy is to pound how corrupt Hillary is. My prediction is that the problem in trumps campaign is the indulgence and overdependence in this strategy and we see it in the results in a huge loss for trump come November. This same strategy marched Obama into the White House twice and I do not get how you can say it is the only strategy when trump has options, specifically selling himself to America rather than bashing his opponent and looking weak and void of substance and anything to offer. You would think that a sucessful business man would grasp this concept of marketting and sales but perhaps it's not translating for him. Or as many have pointed out he is trying to lose and is employing a losing strategy on purpose and getting his followers to fall in line behind him as he marches over the cliff.
Trump lacks discipline? Like how? Can you give me concrete examples of how he lacks discipline and how that could negatively effect America if he is president?
Amazing how someone's ego leads them to change the direction of a post. Instead of Hillary's blog it becomes "what can Trump do to help him in a failing campaign"? DL is a joke.
Hillary apparently has the black vote. They tend to vote unanimously and the last republican to get a double digit result from black voters in key swing states was George W. 12-15% in swing states. A gain like that sounds pathetic, losing 80% to the democrat, but if Trump gets to double digits among African Americans he would carry NC, Vir, Georgia and poss Ohio and Penn. Bush spent millions targeting African Americans and he worked with NAACP and many other groups. Trumps campaign sadly has not done this. There are not enough tv ads. He has missed meetings with black groups. Not sure how any swing state reversal will happen w/o more effort and soon.
I am sorry that the civil conversation evolved and you couldn't keep up. Ironic that you are making yet another attempt to detract and change the direction of the civil disucssion and then complaining about how the conversation grew and developed.
Also I am not joking in my perspective not an i joke. I offer nothing but a civil exchange with no jabs, yet here I am being called names with relax dude making his personal jab and attacks. But Im the problem right?
Funny how that works out.
I'm learning that this is exactly how the site and the people in charge would like it to be and getting exactly what they envisioned and have planned. Good stuff
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Quote Originally Posted by Relax_Dude:
Amazing how someone's ego leads them to change the direction of a post. Instead of Hillary's blog it becomes "what can Trump do to help him in a failing campaign"? DL is a joke.
Hillary apparently has the black vote. They tend to vote unanimously and the last republican to get a double digit result from black voters in key swing states was George W. 12-15% in swing states. A gain like that sounds pathetic, losing 80% to the democrat, but if Trump gets to double digits among African Americans he would carry NC, Vir, Georgia and poss Ohio and Penn. Bush spent millions targeting African Americans and he worked with NAACP and many other groups. Trumps campaign sadly has not done this. There are not enough tv ads. He has missed meetings with black groups. Not sure how any swing state reversal will happen w/o more effort and soon.
I am sorry that the civil conversation evolved and you couldn't keep up. Ironic that you are making yet another attempt to detract and change the direction of the civil disucssion and then complaining about how the conversation grew and developed.
Also I am not joking in my perspective not an i joke. I offer nothing but a civil exchange with no jabs, yet here I am being called names with relax dude making his personal jab and attacks. But Im the problem right?
Funny how that works out.
I'm learning that this is exactly how the site and the people in charge would like it to be and getting exactly what they envisioned and have planned. Good stuff
DL, I didn't gang up or kill any civil thing... I asked you for one accomplish in my first post in this thread? I'm still waiting.
Killer_B ,,,Liberal Democrats will tell you ...one of Hillary's accomplishments was Hillary introducing a new federal program that cautioned parents of the over use ofdrugs like Ritalin and other psychiatric drugs among US preschoolers.....well that was 16 years ago and the only reason she was given the opportunity to introduce the program in the first place was because she had married Bill Clinton and was the First lady at that time ..
She introduced/announced a Federal program to the people at the 2000 DNC convention,, because her husband was President .....great accomplishment ..married to power ...
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Quote Originally Posted by Killer_B:
DL, I didn't gang up or kill any civil thing... I asked you for one accomplish in my first post in this thread? I'm still waiting.
Killer_B ,,,Liberal Democrats will tell you ...one of Hillary's accomplishments was Hillary introducing a new federal program that cautioned parents of the over use ofdrugs like Ritalin and other psychiatric drugs among US preschoolers.....well that was 16 years ago and the only reason she was given the opportunity to introduce the program in the first place was because she had married Bill Clinton and was the First lady at that time ..
She introduced/announced a Federal program to the people at the 2000 DNC convention,, because her husband was President .....great accomplishment ..married to power ...
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